That’s true but when Post-Hardcore was starting to reach prominence in the early to mid 2000’s many bands were self-describing their music as Melodic Hardcore. The Post-Hardcore label came much later, but if that didn’t stick I think we’d interpret bands like The Used, Glassjaw & Silverstein as third wave Melodic Hardcore.
Then if that was the case, what would you describe stuff like It Prevails or Defeater or Counterparts as? Gotta fill up that void now that the tag is occupied.
Can we all agree that youngsters calling it "pop punk" is completely wrong? There's nothing popular or punk about it. Green Day's Dookie was pop punk, not Pierce the Veil. Damn kids.
My nomination is Angstmetal
It's the same thing on r/metalcore with buttrock or pop. Anything with cleans is buttrock or pop to some people. Songs with 60% screaming that people call radio rock or whatever.
When you only listen to norma jean or knocked loose, everything else sounds like green day and nickelback.
Tbf a lot of this new gen “Metalcore” really is just 2000’s Alt Metal (Breaking Benjamin, Three Days Grace, Chevelle) repackaged with more screaming and a breakdown in the bridge. In a decade we’ll probably have a new term for this style. Post-Metalcore? Alternative Metalcore? Nu Metalcore? Idk
Very true. Buttcore/alt. metal is a more fitting genre for a lot of the newer bands calling themselves metalcore. Their sound is truer to it, music is more bland and has less audible guitar work. Rnb ish chorus and then chugs on the instrumentals in the verses. Overall mixing and production also super bass focused and just weird.
Nu metalcore is prob the most fitting, but yeah it's basically alternative metal/hard rock. You see a lot of ppl on rateyourmusic classifying stuff like new BMTH, Bad Omens and such as alternative metal or industrial metal.
Agreed, somebody on this sub was telling me that Pierce the veil’s collide with the sky record was pop punk and I was hella confused, like, have you even listened to it??
Post hardcore became a genre in like the early 90’s, early on it was just that, post-hardcore, what came after hardcore punk, and most bands where like made of members of hardcore punk bands and now they knew a bit more about their instruments and shit so it sounded a lot more refined, that eventually went into forming Emo, which was what “emotional” hardcore bands were called, and emo popularized the genre a whole lot, which eventually got it some more influences from other genres (metal, mid west emo) which is why you think of 2000’s post hardcore as a mix of those 3 genres, but post hardcore as i said already existed
Post-hardcore became a genre very shortly after hardcore became a genre, which became a genre very shortly after punk became a genre. The dominoes fell very fast.
That’s true, but idk I just wanted to go safe, people disagree a lot more on if classic 80’s post hardcore shit is actually post hardcore or not, and when you get to the 90’s they’re like a 100% post hardcore
I always think of certain post hardcore bands and sounds as progressive punk. Like it's still got punk edge and ethos, but is much more complex in song structure, time signatures, and more melodic.
I mean, a lot of early post-hardcore bands from the late 80s throughout the 90s were also interchangeably labeled emo. I’d say that’d be a good candidate. Lol 🤷♀️ tho it’s not necessarily a term I like, “emotional hardcore” kinda backhandedly implies all other forms of hardcore aren’t emotional…
Is there a post hardcore sub that's about the good stuff (fugazi, refused, cursive, atdi) and not the dogshit tumblrcore like pierce the veil and sleeping with sirens
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Screamo
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Honestly I miss the days when everything just got called screamo if the band wore tight jeans.
Ah yes, Rolling Stones was my favorite screamo band
My favorite screamo band is probably Big Time Rush
Screamo without the scream. o
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Screamo is a real fucking genre
Chill bro
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“I’m still sad, but now I’m making it weird”
Melodic Hardcore
This is actually a thing, and I support this answer. "We're not emo, were melodic hardcore!"
Eh, nah. Melodic hardcore still sounds way closer to original hardcore than any iteration of post does.
That’s true but when Post-Hardcore was starting to reach prominence in the early to mid 2000’s many bands were self-describing their music as Melodic Hardcore. The Post-Hardcore label came much later, but if that didn’t stick I think we’d interpret bands like The Used, Glassjaw & Silverstein as third wave Melodic Hardcore.
Then if that was the case, what would you describe stuff like It Prevails or Defeater or Counterparts as? Gotta fill up that void now that the tag is occupied.
It would be a revival of 1st wave Melodic Hardcore
All the waves and revivals would've inevitably made people call it all screamo anyway.
I’ve heard bands like Counterparts, Blood Youth, Casey and Being As An Ocean all be described as melodic hardcore before
Progressive punk
After Hardcore
Chugs and Hugs
Emotive Hardcore
so, emo
Spicy jazz
Isn't that math rock?
Hard Postcore
Rock n roll brother
Can we all agree that youngsters calling it "pop punk" is completely wrong? There's nothing popular or punk about it. Green Day's Dookie was pop punk, not Pierce the Veil. Damn kids. My nomination is Angstmetal
It's the same thing on r/metalcore with buttrock or pop. Anything with cleans is buttrock or pop to some people. Songs with 60% screaming that people call radio rock or whatever. When you only listen to norma jean or knocked loose, everything else sounds like green day and nickelback.
It’s funny how metalcore fans became the metal elitists when originally they were the main victims of metal elitism
They're like the school bully that gets shit from dad at home and takes it out on other kids
Metalcore fan here and that shit grinds my gears. We suffered through it for years and now that it's over we do it to someone else? Fucking hell...
Tbf a lot of this new gen “Metalcore” really is just 2000’s Alt Metal (Breaking Benjamin, Three Days Grace, Chevelle) repackaged with more screaming and a breakdown in the bridge. In a decade we’ll probably have a new term for this style. Post-Metalcore? Alternative Metalcore? Nu Metalcore? Idk
Very true. Buttcore/alt. metal is a more fitting genre for a lot of the newer bands calling themselves metalcore. Their sound is truer to it, music is more bland and has less audible guitar work. Rnb ish chorus and then chugs on the instrumentals in the verses. Overall mixing and production also super bass focused and just weird. Nu metalcore is prob the most fitting, but yeah it's basically alternative metal/hard rock. You see a lot of ppl on rateyourmusic classifying stuff like new BMTH, Bad Omens and such as alternative metal or industrial metal.
Agreed, somebody on this sub was telling me that Pierce the veil’s collide with the sky record was pop punk and I was hella confused, like, have you even listened to it??
Like wtf? 😂 no
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Flomp
This is a fun post I’m sure but you’d probably just get ultra-specific subgenres
Experimental or Avant-Garde hardcore
Emocore
Yep, Emocore would be fan designation and Screamo would be normie.
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“Hardcore… then us”
Scream rock. That's what my coworkers call it lol
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Aah the good ol’ Last.fm tags. Takes me back.
last fm was awesome like 10 years ago. something changed
Post hardcore became a genre in like the early 90’s, early on it was just that, post-hardcore, what came after hardcore punk, and most bands where like made of members of hardcore punk bands and now they knew a bit more about their instruments and shit so it sounded a lot more refined, that eventually went into forming Emo, which was what “emotional” hardcore bands were called, and emo popularized the genre a whole lot, which eventually got it some more influences from other genres (metal, mid west emo) which is why you think of 2000’s post hardcore as a mix of those 3 genres, but post hardcore as i said already existed
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Post-hardcore became a genre very shortly after hardcore became a genre, which became a genre very shortly after punk became a genre. The dominoes fell very fast.
That’s true, but idk I just wanted to go safe, people disagree a lot more on if classic 80’s post hardcore shit is actually post hardcore or not, and when you get to the 90’s they’re like a 100% post hardcore
I think I was seeing "Post Modern" as a genre for them before I was seeing Post Hardcore. But I'm old, so my memory is fuzzy.
I remember when I ripped my Doppelgänger CD to iTunes back in the day the genre was listed as alternative & punk
mallcore
Definitely a more fitting description for a lot of the bands that people talk about in this sub
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Wrong again. You like them L's don't you haha
Hard Post Core
Maybe something like new punk or modern punk.
I’d probably call it progressive hardcore
I always think of certain post hardcore bands and sounds as progressive punk. Like it's still got punk edge and ethos, but is much more complex in song structure, time signatures, and more melodic.
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Hardcore Revival
Pre Metalcore
La La La, Rawr, Rawr, Rawr!
Skramz
"We Make Noises That Correlate to Our Feelings"core
Hardcore part 2
Proto-post-post-hardcore
Alternative Hardcore
I would say either gothic hardcore, corewave, or hardcore post-punk
Nucore
AfterCore
I remember being in a crappy metalcore band in 2005 and thinking we were soooo clever for thinking of the term “screamcore” 🤦♂️
I mean, a lot of early post-hardcore bands from the late 80s throughout the 90s were also interchangeably labeled emo. I’d say that’d be a good candidate. Lol 🤷♀️ tho it’s not necessarily a term I like, “emotional hardcore” kinda backhandedly implies all other forms of hardcore aren’t emotional…
Most Freakycore
I've heard people.call it post metal a lot lol
I could see describing bands like Poison The Well or Hopesfall as Post-Metalcore but stuff like The Used or ATDI is just straight up not Metal at all
Is there a post hardcore sub that's about the good stuff (fugazi, refused, cursive, atdi) and not the dogshit tumblrcore like pierce the veil and sleeping with sirens
I think you just need to stop being such a bitch
People do talk about that stuff here, you just have to wade through a lot of a pop punk and swoop hair metalcore in order to find it.
Rock
Emocore
Manic metal
Mail Hardcore
Angry Whiny Music
Sad Boy Metal
Metalcore lol
Metalcore lite
Emo Rock
Scenecore.