Good call. I know scoliosis can present as a spine that serpentines left to right. Can it also present as a spine that is malformed along the front to back plane?
I know the lordotic and thoracic curves can change shape over time. Common theory is that these changes and curvature can be corrected. But do you know if it's possible for there to be a front to back permanent *scoliosis* that cannot be addressed with mobility or strengthening exercises?
Keyword you’re looking for is “kyphosis” and the causes can be complex as with scoliosis. Just like scoliosis it depends somewhat on the cause… maybe correctable, maybe not…
Some examples
Ribcage - pectus excavatum, mild ones are manageable but severe ones usually require more invasive procedures
Legs - tibia vara, actual bone leg length discrepancy
Structural changes decide the limit of improvements but you can always improve (I m not talking about severe cases but regular person).
But Dont focus just on the appearance.
A structual mid scolios for example, will remain curved but with exercises and proper physical activity you improve the body, spine, joints ,muscles functions, you improve health and functionality of the body, load managment, this mean a better, stronger spine and body with less chances to develop pain in the future too.
You dont work only on muscles imbalances as you wrote, but on joints and spine Mobility and motory rieducation, too, they are important.
I think its important to define 'fixed' most people have some health issues, that are 'unfixable' not just posture but health issues across the board, but can be 'managed' fine. For postural issues correct exercise ongoing is the only tool to help with unfixable postural issues, you cant surrender to your issues, it seems like your angling to avoid exercise and people with posture issues will end up saying things like 'I cant do physio because of my scoliosis or kyphosis etc' but it actually be 'fixed' for most in terms of pain and symptoms with correct exercise ongoing.
>**it seems like your angling to avoid exercise**
Most definitely not. I've experienced firsthand the value of exercises for posture improvement, because as I said in my OP, many causes of "bad postures" *are* muscular, or related to other soft tissues, and can be improved or "fixed" entirely. I also understand the value of exercises as a way to help compensate for unfixable problems like scoliosis, and to ease the symptoms.
But I'm wondering if there still exists a hard limit for how much some causes of some bad postures can be physically corrected, if at all. Not in the hopes of avoiding exercise altogether, but in the hopes of avoiding frustration of performing certain exercises endlessly, for years on end, with no progress, to allow one to set realistic expectations.
There is no hard limit, Usane bolt has severe Scolosis and performs at the top level, its honestly a mental game, 99% of people with Usane bolts diagnosis would give up on life, get surgery or get fat.
but in the hopes of avoiding frustration of performing certain exercises endlessly, for years on end, with no progress
Its not possible, there is more at play if that is happening like lack of discipline, if you move your arm everyday 50x above your head, it will gain muscle, thats progress, because its everyday consistently, people who claim to be doing certain exercises endlessly with no progress are lying, straight up lying, they weren't born out of the womb exercising so they couldn't have done it "endlessly" most people will do say 3-4-5 months of physio and call that "endlessly", they get frustrated with slow progress, not zero progress, slow progress. Most people who claim "years on end" haven't even done "years on end", if they have they havn't done it consistently.
Exercise is incredibly helpful for every part of our health, if someone wants to stop, not because they caused a bad flare up, no, just because they are "in the hopes of avoiding frustration"? thats an incredibly dangerous mindset, frustration is a normal emotion, it teaches us, steers us, avoiding it, to that extreme, there are other mental health factors at play if someone just quits from a simple thing like frustration.
people should do exercise because its good for your health, not because they just want to avoid "frustration" that happens when their lack of discipline meets their low expectations, if they had a healthy spine, putting on muscle and changing body composition or correcting muscular imbalances, without pain, still takes years, why do people assume anything less idk?
Yes, scoliosis is the most common
Good call. I know scoliosis can present as a spine that serpentines left to right. Can it also present as a spine that is malformed along the front to back plane? I know the lordotic and thoracic curves can change shape over time. Common theory is that these changes and curvature can be corrected. But do you know if it's possible for there to be a front to back permanent *scoliosis* that cannot be addressed with mobility or strengthening exercises?
Keyword you’re looking for is “kyphosis” and the causes can be complex as with scoliosis. Just like scoliosis it depends somewhat on the cause… maybe correctable, maybe not…
Some examples Ribcage - pectus excavatum, mild ones are manageable but severe ones usually require more invasive procedures Legs - tibia vara, actual bone leg length discrepancy
Structural changes decide the limit of improvements but you can always improve (I m not talking about severe cases but regular person). But Dont focus just on the appearance. A structual mid scolios for example, will remain curved but with exercises and proper physical activity you improve the body, spine, joints ,muscles functions, you improve health and functionality of the body, load managment, this mean a better, stronger spine and body with less chances to develop pain in the future too. You dont work only on muscles imbalances as you wrote, but on joints and spine Mobility and motory rieducation, too, they are important.
I think its important to define 'fixed' most people have some health issues, that are 'unfixable' not just posture but health issues across the board, but can be 'managed' fine. For postural issues correct exercise ongoing is the only tool to help with unfixable postural issues, you cant surrender to your issues, it seems like your angling to avoid exercise and people with posture issues will end up saying things like 'I cant do physio because of my scoliosis or kyphosis etc' but it actually be 'fixed' for most in terms of pain and symptoms with correct exercise ongoing.
>**it seems like your angling to avoid exercise** Most definitely not. I've experienced firsthand the value of exercises for posture improvement, because as I said in my OP, many causes of "bad postures" *are* muscular, or related to other soft tissues, and can be improved or "fixed" entirely. I also understand the value of exercises as a way to help compensate for unfixable problems like scoliosis, and to ease the symptoms. But I'm wondering if there still exists a hard limit for how much some causes of some bad postures can be physically corrected, if at all. Not in the hopes of avoiding exercise altogether, but in the hopes of avoiding frustration of performing certain exercises endlessly, for years on end, with no progress, to allow one to set realistic expectations.
There is no hard limit, Usane bolt has severe Scolosis and performs at the top level, its honestly a mental game, 99% of people with Usane bolts diagnosis would give up on life, get surgery or get fat. but in the hopes of avoiding frustration of performing certain exercises endlessly, for years on end, with no progress Its not possible, there is more at play if that is happening like lack of discipline, if you move your arm everyday 50x above your head, it will gain muscle, thats progress, because its everyday consistently, people who claim to be doing certain exercises endlessly with no progress are lying, straight up lying, they weren't born out of the womb exercising so they couldn't have done it "endlessly" most people will do say 3-4-5 months of physio and call that "endlessly", they get frustrated with slow progress, not zero progress, slow progress. Most people who claim "years on end" haven't even done "years on end", if they have they havn't done it consistently. Exercise is incredibly helpful for every part of our health, if someone wants to stop, not because they caused a bad flare up, no, just because they are "in the hopes of avoiding frustration"? thats an incredibly dangerous mindset, frustration is a normal emotion, it teaches us, steers us, avoiding it, to that extreme, there are other mental health factors at play if someone just quits from a simple thing like frustration. people should do exercise because its good for your health, not because they just want to avoid "frustration" that happens when their lack of discipline meets their low expectations, if they had a healthy spine, putting on muscle and changing body composition or correcting muscular imbalances, without pain, still takes years, why do people assume anything less idk?
Ur feet being different can effect posture. Almost everything does. Big big toe sticks out less on my right foot