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Yes with mild caveat
Yes it's overrated because it's treated as an instant win
However the truth is that Toon Force is a spectrum. It's like saying you manipulate fire. You could be a fire bender (ATLA), Human Torch (Marvel), dragon slayer (Fairy Tail), or more. It's a school of ability.
Many people assume a character with "toon force" is immune to damage (slapstick applies), has unlimited power ups (usually based on imagination), is immune to death (cartoonishly come back), defy physics (substituting funnier versions) and more. Essentially, they assume the character gets the powers of both Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner in one. Someone with this skill set *would* be unbeatable. But I can't say I can think of a character from a serious series that has these abilities, nor can I think of people seriously trying to powerscale SpongeBob.
Toon Force isn't particularly common in fighting series, so it makes some sense people misjudge it
Yes, especially after Gear 5 dropped and the One Piece community had to be repeatedly reminded "No, Luffy can't solo all these verses. He's not that strong yet"
Honestly if we even call that toon force, i wouldn’t exactly call it low level, at least it would be combat applicable and pretty useful, while the low level toon force tends to be just quick gag with no effect on the world
I’d say it is mid level since it involves messing with bodies and the scenery, while high level would be messing sith the way reality fuctions
It is nowhere near mid-level. It was combat applicable because it was used hy someone who actually fights. There are plenty of tools who have done VASTLY more with toonforce outside of fighting. I mean, Bugs bunny literally transcended fiction using toon force. He is technically the strongest fictional character because of this. Luffies show of toon force isn't even 0.00001% of Bugs Bunny's. He barely did the basics of what character's like Roadrunner did in their early years of being created. Luffy definitely has what would be considered the "lowest level" of toon force. However, that is his current capabilities, not his potential. His potential with TF is still very much so unknown. As it stands, Luffy isn't nearly as powerful as people are claiming.
Sorry but luffy will soon pull up a sign that says "if you read this you'll be sent to the sun" and solo the verse. And dont get me started on serious mega giga spinach enhanced bajrang gun 2 electric boogaloo
Yes. I can list reasons why too:
- It's treated as an immediate win con when it's not.
- People assume anyone who has toon force is on the same level as Bugs Bunny with it. Which they aren't.
- It's low tier reality warping at best.
- People think that "anyone with toon force=unbeatable" which is goofy.
These are all my reasons tho.
To be fair, I have to disagree with you on toonforce being low tier reality warping. I suppose it depends on the user, but in all actualality toonforce is considered one of the highest forms of reality warpers with the most powerful toonforce users being considered to have nigh-omnipotence with their only limiter being their imagination.
No it's not. Toon-Force is quite literally "since I think this is funny, it will happen" Reality Warping is "If I want this to happen, then it will happen" See the difference? The High Tier Reality Warper>High Tier Toon Force.
Some cartoon characters casually outwit supergeniuses with futuristic or reality warping tech, or can "read the script" so it kind of depends on character.
Yes very. It's literally just a more limited version of reality warping hax, the limitation being it needs to be funny. Like any other hax it has levels, just bc a character has reality warping doesn't mean they can warp a universe out of existence without the feats to support that level of potency.
Yes, people believe Saitama < popeye because popeye is a cartoon character
Edit: People were just saying that popeye wins because he is a cartoon character without any proof
It’s not because he is a cartoon character, it’s because his “toon force” is absolutely broken. On the scale of this he is one of the most ridiculous characters in existence, and he also happens to be one of the few who actually do a lot of legit fighting. This ain’t tweety bird escaping Sylvester: this is calling god a lil bitch and then kicking his ass when he tries to talk back.
No, Here are something that most toon-forces have
\- Reality Manipulation
\- Nigh if not full Imortality
\- Conjuration of Objects
\- Super-Strength
\- Super-Speed
\- Cartoon Physics
\- Shapeshifting
People confuse immortal and invincible so often.
Immortal has nothing to do with strength and does not mean can’t be killed. Immortals don’t die of old age or disease. But they can certainly be killed. Most can be killed in all the normal ways that you or I could.
Immortal is an off on switch. There isn’t partial or full immortality. Either you are immortal and do not die of age and sickness, or you are mortal and you do.
You are confusing invincible and immortal.
I mean Wukong had 60 something layers of immortality. I think characters like Bugs Bunny can have full immortality since it's fiction, anything is possible
extremely, especially because most characters with toon force dimensionally scale very slow it wouldn’t work on someone on a higher dimensional level then you
The issue with toon force is that it really depends on the tone most of the time. Guys like Bugs Bunny, SpongeBob and so on all operate on the idea that it would be funny if say, they bend the laws of reality. But the moment the tone shifts, these characters become normal people and can be easily dealt with.
The only case in which toon force relies on gore and horror is with the Mask and even then, there are scenarios in which it has limits.
Simply put, too force is too inconsistent and it can only be put up against other toon force users, otherwise there is tonal clash and the battle becomes too subjective to be written.
You have toon force like Peter Griffin who became a 6th dimensional being because he got high and you have toon force like Luffy who can make people’s eyes pop out and see stars when they get hit.
No. People just tend to forget about potence.
Very similar to how some people assume magic trumps technology.
At ultimately potent rifle coud possibly kill a ultimately potent toon force user.
The main issue with “toon force” is that its accompanied with low steaks and plot armor. There is no world where a character like bugs bunny loses because he “didn’t have enough toon power”. Its not scalable and the characters that employ it often cant be separated from their plot armor. Someone like Luffy has plot armor but we can imagine he has an upper limit to his resistance and strength and can imagine him losing. But you cant remove it from buggs bunny… you take away his plot armor and hes what? A rabbit? Idk man toon force isnt always a win but it should be treated like plot armor and tried to be separated from the character. If it cant be separated then the character cant be power scaled imo
Toon force is reality bending that is contingent on appealing to a particular archetype.
Popeye is stupidly overpowered because his archetype is to be cartoonishly strong and violent. But generally most toons have their power fizzle when they get contrasted against an intuitively overwhelming force. Bugs Bunny has a magic satchel with plenty of equipment that could handle it, but if he is surprised by a herd of stampeding cattle he will still flee from it in a panic UNLESS that stampede is an extension of whoever he is bullying.
As an example, Bugs Bunny vs The 40k Imperium of Man: bugs panics and runs for the hills. Bugs vs the God Emperor: Bugs runs circles around the Emperor and convincingly impersonates imperial officers with nothing but a hat & marches an entire space marine chapter straight into the warp in the Emperor's ever escalating attempts to kill him. Culminating in Big E getting so buttmad Khorne claims his soul whioe bugs waves him off like it was easy.
Toon force is situationally broken. It's an auto-win IF you set up the conditions and archetypes. Othrwise it works against you. Donald Duck can't tank punishment and keep coming until he wins, he tanks punishment and keeps comming because his lot in life is to suffer.
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Yes with mild caveat Yes it's overrated because it's treated as an instant win However the truth is that Toon Force is a spectrum. It's like saying you manipulate fire. You could be a fire bender (ATLA), Human Torch (Marvel), dragon slayer (Fairy Tail), or more. It's a school of ability. Many people assume a character with "toon force" is immune to damage (slapstick applies), has unlimited power ups (usually based on imagination), is immune to death (cartoonishly come back), defy physics (substituting funnier versions) and more. Essentially, they assume the character gets the powers of both Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner in one. Someone with this skill set *would* be unbeatable. But I can't say I can think of a character from a serious series that has these abilities, nor can I think of people seriously trying to powerscale SpongeBob. Toon Force isn't particularly common in fighting series, so it makes some sense people misjudge it
Saitama: SERIOUS PUNCH *Spongebobs skin deflates and squeaks back*
Yes, especially after Gear 5 dropped and the One Piece community had to be repeatedly reminded "No, Luffy can't solo all these verses. He's not that strong yet"
Fr. Luffy has like the lowest possible level of toon force. In a low scale verse.
Honestly if we even call that toon force, i wouldn’t exactly call it low level, at least it would be combat applicable and pretty useful, while the low level toon force tends to be just quick gag with no effect on the world I’d say it is mid level since it involves messing with bodies and the scenery, while high level would be messing sith the way reality fuctions
It is nowhere near mid-level. It was combat applicable because it was used hy someone who actually fights. There are plenty of tools who have done VASTLY more with toonforce outside of fighting. I mean, Bugs bunny literally transcended fiction using toon force. He is technically the strongest fictional character because of this. Luffies show of toon force isn't even 0.00001% of Bugs Bunny's. He barely did the basics of what character's like Roadrunner did in their early years of being created. Luffy definitely has what would be considered the "lowest level" of toon force. However, that is his current capabilities, not his potential. His potential with TF is still very much so unknown. As it stands, Luffy isn't nearly as powerful as people are claiming.
It's Tom and Jerry level. Slapstick. It's barely too force. It's physical gags.
Sorry but luffy will soon pull up a sign that says "if you read this you'll be sent to the sun" and solo the verse. And dont get me started on serious mega giga spinach enhanced bajrang gun 2 electric boogaloo
yes. just because a character has toon force doesn't mean they solo fiction
Nuh uh
Yes.
Depends on which character is using the toon force, as abilities can vary.
it doest even do anything? at best you can argue for limited resistance to law manip and reality warping on very high scales of toonforce
Yes. I can list reasons why too: - It's treated as an immediate win con when it's not. - People assume anyone who has toon force is on the same level as Bugs Bunny with it. Which they aren't. - It's low tier reality warping at best. - People think that "anyone with toon force=unbeatable" which is goofy. These are all my reasons tho.
To be fair, I have to disagree with you on toonforce being low tier reality warping. I suppose it depends on the user, but in all actualality toonforce is considered one of the highest forms of reality warpers with the most powerful toonforce users being considered to have nigh-omnipotence with their only limiter being their imagination.
No it's not. Toon-Force is quite literally "since I think this is funny, it will happen" Reality Warping is "If I want this to happen, then it will happen" See the difference? The High Tier Reality Warper>High Tier Toon Force.
yes especially since people ignore the anti feats and how if you outsmart someone with it you can easily win
Some cartoon characters casually outwit supergeniuses with futuristic or reality warping tech, or can "read the script" so it kind of depends on character.
I think bugs bunny is the strongest fictional character because he has extreme toon force and can write his own story
Bugs Bunny is unkillable and overrides the writers. Bugs eventually defeats all.
Uncle grandpa
Yes
Yes very. It's literally just a more limited version of reality warping hax, the limitation being it needs to be funny. Like any other hax it has levels, just bc a character has reality warping doesn't mean they can warp a universe out of existence without the feats to support that level of potency.
Id rather see peoples failed to understand the true meaning of toon force
It doesn’t matter Bugs Bunny still solos
Absolutely
Yes.
Bro had to answer 4 times 😭
Yes.
Yes.
Yes, people believe Saitama < popeye because popeye is a cartoon character Edit: People were just saying that popeye wins because he is a cartoon character without any proof
Popeye literally survived the universe being deleted because he eats his spinach.
I mean, popeye unironically stomps. There’s levels of toon force and popeye is up there
Popeye negs Saitama without even eating spinach
It’s not because he is a cartoon character, it’s because his “toon force” is absolutely broken. On the scale of this he is one of the most ridiculous characters in existence, and he also happens to be one of the few who actually do a lot of legit fighting. This ain’t tweety bird escaping Sylvester: this is calling god a lil bitch and then kicking his ass when he tries to talk back.
it is overated in one piece, but bugs bunny is the strongest fictional character since he has both reality manipulation and can write his own story
The title strongest character in fiction belongs to I am that I am, Supreme Author/Metanormalcy, and the Buddha (World of Darkness).
No, Here are something that most toon-forces have \- Reality Manipulation \- Nigh if not full Imortality \- Conjuration of Objects \- Super-Strength \- Super-Speed \- Cartoon Physics \- Shapeshifting
>\- Nigh if not full Imortality is not a thing in fiction, at best you can argue immortality type 2
Saying something is “not a thing in fiction” is an oxymoron
Full immortality can’t be a thing bcs it means the character wouldn’t die no matter what no matter who and no matter how strong or op it is
People confuse immortal and invincible so often. Immortal has nothing to do with strength and does not mean can’t be killed. Immortals don’t die of old age or disease. But they can certainly be killed. Most can be killed in all the normal ways that you or I could. Immortal is an off on switch. There isn’t partial or full immortality. Either you are immortal and do not die of age and sickness, or you are mortal and you do. You are confusing invincible and immortal.
There’s many types of immortality. And full immortality is another name for absolute immortality
I mean Wukong had 60 something layers of immortality. I think characters like Bugs Bunny can have full immortality since it's fiction, anything is possible
> anything is possible
That goes directly against the scaling guidelines (CSAP) of the sub 💀
Super strength toonforce characters when two teddy bears on a stick 💀💀💀
SpongeBob is shaking in his boots
No. Scalers only hate it because Goku can't win against it. And that is why it is good
How tf did Goku get mentioned here, this is about toon force man 😭
I say this for most people that didnt wanna say it here:what?
goku is low complex multi u don’t need that much to beat him 💀💀
Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
yes
Horrendously
Mostly by people who had no knowledge on powerscaling
That there's even a term for it that people use seriously says it all. Is it really so hard to just let something funny be funny??
Absolutely. I once had Spongebob at hyperversal to high outerversal, but he got debunked to just universal. Go figure ._.
Universal character when two teddy bears on a stick 💀💀💀
yes
Absolutely
I feel like it's because they generalize it but they'd have to scale the level of tool force said character has been able to use. It's very overrated.
Yes
I love toonforce cuz I grew up on Tom and Jerry and Ed Edd n Eddy, but I hate how a lot of people wank it. So yeah.
extremely, especially because most characters with toon force dimensionally scale very slow it wouldn’t work on someone on a higher dimensional level then you
I saw people considering Willy coyote and Tom extremely strong, like if they aren't just incapable of winning
It is. People wank characters with two impressive feats when they have a thousand showing in which they are below 10-A
The issue with toon force is that it really depends on the tone most of the time. Guys like Bugs Bunny, SpongeBob and so on all operate on the idea that it would be funny if say, they bend the laws of reality. But the moment the tone shifts, these characters become normal people and can be easily dealt with. The only case in which toon force relies on gore and horror is with the Mask and even then, there are scenarios in which it has limits. Simply put, too force is too inconsistent and it can only be put up against other toon force users, otherwise there is tonal clash and the battle becomes too subjective to be written.
Yup it is.
Pretty sure luffy answered that question
You have toon force like Peter Griffin who became a 6th dimensional being because he got high and you have toon force like Luffy who can make people’s eyes pop out and see stars when they get hit.
No. People just tend to forget about potence. Very similar to how some people assume magic trumps technology. At ultimately potent rifle coud possibly kill a ultimately potent toon force user.
Hollowpoints filled with Dip.
Not sure dip is a ultimately potent expression of anti-toon force.
It's certainly a potent expression of 'anti-toon' force, though.
yes i hate toon force
They either solo literally everything or super overrated
The main issue with “toon force” is that its accompanied with low steaks and plot armor. There is no world where a character like bugs bunny loses because he “didn’t have enough toon power”. Its not scalable and the characters that employ it often cant be separated from their plot armor. Someone like Luffy has plot armor but we can imagine he has an upper limit to his resistance and strength and can imagine him losing. But you cant remove it from buggs bunny… you take away his plot armor and hes what? A rabbit? Idk man toon force isnt always a win but it should be treated like plot armor and tried to be separated from the character. If it cant be separated then the character cant be power scaled imo
Toon force is reality bending that is contingent on appealing to a particular archetype. Popeye is stupidly overpowered because his archetype is to be cartoonishly strong and violent. But generally most toons have their power fizzle when they get contrasted against an intuitively overwhelming force. Bugs Bunny has a magic satchel with plenty of equipment that could handle it, but if he is surprised by a herd of stampeding cattle he will still flee from it in a panic UNLESS that stampede is an extension of whoever he is bullying. As an example, Bugs Bunny vs The 40k Imperium of Man: bugs panics and runs for the hills. Bugs vs the God Emperor: Bugs runs circles around the Emperor and convincingly impersonates imperial officers with nothing but a hat & marches an entire space marine chapter straight into the warp in the Emperor's ever escalating attempts to kill him. Culminating in Big E getting so buttmad Khorne claims his soul whioe bugs waves him off like it was easy. Toon force is situationally broken. It's an auto-win IF you set up the conditions and archetypes. Othrwise it works against you. Donald Duck can't tank punishment and keep coming until he wins, he tanks punishment and keeps comming because his lot in life is to suffer.
Toon force doesn’t scale on its own It’s a form of reality warping and has layers
People seem to forget it can work against the character just as much as it can give ‘em a free win
Yes. People really think it circumvents cosmology when it's, at best, reality bending 💀
I mean. It depends. Stuff like bugs is opnas shit. But stuff like luffy isn't that impressive. It depends on the level and limitations of the user.
Absolutely
Yes, absolutelly