And he thought challenging a lunatic with a metal hand to a fistfight was a good idea, then later placed his life in the same lunatic’s hands and shortly after “fell” to his death. Moron deserved it honestly.
I wonder how much regular people knew about Anakin's wild side ? Did the average Joe knew that he destroyed the main separatist ship during the (not so legal) invasion of Naboo or all of the crazy tactics he used during the war ?
Given how little we know of military actions/heroism, when our news network is limited to one planet and one sentient species, I'd say all they know is "Anakin's a Jedi general leading our boys to victory!"
Palpatine did. He organised a few specific situations where Anakin would emerge victorious as good PR for the Republic. He also would order Anakin back from dangerous frontiers in the Clone Wars so he didn't get killed like Umbara.
Palpy totally would've shown more of his exploits to influence public opinion in Ani's favour so his transition into Darth Vader would be less jarring for the public. The suit certainly helped a lot though.
Given the dialogue between Oni-Wan and Reva in the second-to-last episode of Kenobi, I'd wager that Vader's true identity wasn't a matter of public knowledge
The original Palpatine's intent was similar to Count Dooku in regard to Anakin's name - publicly he still would be Anakin Skywalker (he wasn't intended to wear a suit after all) and his title of Darth Vader would be used only between him and emperor when they would need to discuss some secret sith business, but after being forced to wear a suit in the aftermath of duel on Mustafar, yes, Vader true identity became a secret and officially Anakin died during operation Knightfall (IIRC in the official empire version he died protecting Palpatine from the jedi but I might be wrong about that)
This actually makes a ton of sense. Palpatine fed Anakin the lies that he wanted the public to believe, because when someone else speaks your truth it gains a lot more traction.
I’d imagine that’s one of the ways the suit ended up helping Palpatine since it’d removed the they can’t all be bad argument that’d come up surrounding the Jedi if Anakin didn’t take the lava dip.
Anakin was the poster boy of the republic almost every thing he did was reported on of course they made it seem way more dramatic and what not but the galaxy new a lot about him
in the revenge of the sith novelization Anakin is frequently broadcast across the republic as a home grown hero! I'd expect them to leave out the war crimes lmao
The novelization really adds a lot of context to the story. I especially like that it points out Anakin has only gotten like 3 hours of sleep for the last two weeks before the story takes place. That and Dookus last second realization that he too were utterly deceived by Palpatine.
Or the way it describes the difference between how Jedi and Sith uses the force during the Dooku Duel... I need to go reread that book.
In the arc where Ahsoka is framed, he lunged at a clone behind glass and the guy jumps back. I’m pretty sure his whole “hey, you’re ok so don’t come to school tomorrow” behavior was an open secret
I don’t know about regular people but his Clone Legion definitely knew his stories. Fives, Tup, and Hardcase literally referenced Anakin’s tactic of destroying the Droid Ship during the Umbara arc and did the same thing.
Anakin was basically the republic poster boy for the war. Palps didn’t want to give a lot of credit to the Jedi so they didn’t look so good for when he did order 66, so he gave it all to Anakin specifically. That way the Jedi Order as a whole wasn’t seen as the heroes of the war, just Anakin.
My guess is that Clovis, being a politician, thought Anakin was JUST a poster boy, as putting your big war hero on the front lines is risky. If he dies, that would be a MASSIVE moral hit to the republic, and as such, Clovis likely thought Anakin’s feats were just being attributed to him. He expected Anakin to be acting as a war hero, instead of actually being one.
That’s actually a good point about Clovis as it is possible most of those feats where staged. Although he still kind of an idiot because he was still a Jedi who can deflect blaster bolts and are very well known for their martial powers as an order.
A metal-armed, visibly furious, battle-hardened, war hero(and/or criminal) warrior-monk
VS
A senator who never fought a day in his life
Who could’ve foreseen the outcome?
Trying to kiss Padme wasn't a bright idea either since she's had a lot more combat experience than him. If it wasn't for the fact that she needed his help she probably would have shoved a blaster up his backside.
but you have to respect Clovis for not snitching, he could then and there end Anakin's entire career by calling him a madman and expose his affection for Padme infront of the entire Republic court and Jedi council. Anakin gets expelled.
But tbh I guess it would be good if he did snitch, with Anakin not in the Order anymore, Palpatine can't carry out his plans and Order 66 is rendered useless as no-one can take on the jedi temple.
Not to mention that this lunatic was also one of the most powerful force users in the galaxy, an esteemed war general, and had a lot of combat experience. The dude also had a lightsaber, but didn't use it.
I would do a lot in an attempt to bang Padmé, even destroy the economy of the galaxy. But challenging her not-so-secret husband to a fistfight, and he has all the advantages listed above, might be the limit. But again, anything for Padmé's Naboobies
i think this screenshot is from a clovis episode (the one from early in season 2 when they first introduce the character), but not the particular one in season 6 where anakin actually gets into a fistfight with him
Padmes character in the movies and where she ends up are so fucked up that filling in the blanks at all on her character could only make her look more terrible.
Whether you're showing her in the Senate or with Anakin she has to be dumb and incompetent as fuck so she doesn't unravel Palatine's whole plan or realize Anakin is awful.
He was almost about to give her his "lightsaber" right in the middle of her office, but was ultimately cockblocked by their future daughter's adoptive father.
Their relationship dynamic, their history, their back and forth and banter, and the parallels with Anakin and Padme as well as the contrasts, it has to be one of my favourite parts of the show. It grounded Obi-Wan a lot for me and cemented my love for his character
Revenge of the Sith definitely did some justice in the emotive acting department. The scenes where Anakin and Padme both stare off into the Coruscant skyline both visibly anxious about the future. It definitely was one of Georges better decisions if it was his work, Lucas needs a proof writer for his dialogue sometimes or at least someone to shoot back and forth with in order to make real diamonds in the rough.
I've never understood the dislike of that particular line. A lot of other lines are quirky as hell but that line actually has something to it. Anakin was a slave for most and all of that life was in sand. Sand and slavery goes hand in hand for Anakin. For 10 years all he knew was sand and slavery. No wonder he doesn't like sand
Nobody ever said the line didn’t have meaning, it’s just horribly awkward and comes out of nowhere. There’s no rational reason to start a conversation with “I don’t like sand”
Or it's just bad dialogue. Acting pompous about it like you just can't fathom how anyone could possibly not understand the metaphor isn't doing it favors.
Can understand the meaning but that doesn't excuse the awful execution.
I actually have issues with how The Clones War portrayed their relationship because they made it seemed like they're co dependent on each other which could have been Lucas' intention but the movies only showed me a pure deep love they had for one another.I don't know if the comics or any other source also show their relationship like The Clone Wars does so I may be wrong.
Edit: grammer and spelling
The films don't show much of it but it's clear that Anakin is obsessive over Padmé. And look at Anakin. He isn't exactly the most stable Jedi out there. Padmé isn't in it because she knows what a red flag looks like. The Clone Wars only double down on what's already there, and I love it because their love is both genuine and unhealthily obsessive.
The creation of more warriors will not end this war. The financial costs alone will bankrupt and cripple the Republic. By adding more clones to the conflict, we are only escalating destruction, not winning the war.
I love the show but I also feel like it reconned the original intent from the movie to point out how Anakin was awkward as shit due to being brought up in the Jedi order and how their indoctrination of suppressing emotions ironically made him even weaker to his feelings for Padme. I can see why it was done though in the show as the point was missed by a lot of movie viewers and they just thought it was bad writing.
The Jedi don't teach you to suppress your emotions. They teach against attachment. I think you're reading too much into George's intentions for their relationship too but he might have said it somewhere.
You know that's a decent point, Anakin is painfully awkward in Attack of the Clones, and I just watched an episode of Clone Wars where Anakin straight up seduces a slaver queen with his charm
Honestly this community is way too revisionist about the prequels .
Guys George Lucas isn't some secret genius who put a billion subtle messages in the prequel trilogy. They're bad movies that are fun as shit to watch. That's why we're here.
Dude didn’t Anakin threaten to leave Padme in prison bc he was pissed off? Their relationship in Clone Wars was incredibly toxic, but that does also show why he’d go to such lengths to “save her” from death.
The creation of more warriors will not end this war. The financial costs alone will bankrupt and cripple the Republic. By adding more clones to the conflict, we are only escalating destruction, not winning the war.
But, anakin is an abusive partner, he is not a good person? He beats a man almost to death and tells padme “you don’t get a say in this”
Also he literally threatens to leave her in jail. And pressures her with the classic abuser tactic of “the big gesture” (see cad bane senate episode)
Yes, and I’m not saying Clovis isn’t also a piece of shit, but padme was clearly telling Clovis no, and tries to tell both of them to stop only to get brushed away and screamed at by anakin
Anakin at that point wasn’t doing it to protect padme, he was beating Clovis because he “dared touch his woman” (which is gross too)
Clovis deserved that beating. Dude wasn't taking "No" for an answer and then proceeded get into a fist fight with someone who: 1) is an experienced fighter, 2) has force enhanced speed and strength, and 3) has a metal hand.
The not taking "No" justifed the beating. Who He fought just ensured it actually happened.
But anakin wasn’t fighting to protect padme, he was fighting because he believed something of his has been encroached on. He ignores padme when she pleads for him to stop. Anakin should have either I mobilized Clovis while he got the guards to escort Clovis to a detention area, as he just witnessed sexual assault. Then proceeded to ask and make sure padme is okay, not self aggrandizing by getting into a losing match with the man who just assaulted his wife
I just started watching the clone wars for the first time the other night. Idk why I never watched it when i was a kid. All of my friends were always talking about it, and I just never cared. Man I was dumb.
I recommend watching the episodes in chronological order. Some of the episodes bounce in the timeline.
Edit: adding [link](https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder)
Agree. I hate when people have their weirdo watch order. Just be a normal person and consume the media the way the creators intended, I promise it’s gonna be fine.
Anakin was super manipulative to Padme and way controlling of everything she did. She was smart and didn't fall for his BS but still, that is not a relationship to look up to.
Unpopular opinion: anakin and padme’s relationship was toxic as fuck. Anakin never had faith in her and was always hateful and jealous as soon as their relationship was tested. The only time he was romantic was the first cad Bain arc.
Love the prequels but honestly Anakin was a pretty questionable guy in the movies. You can definitely see how he started swinging on everyone. Clone Wars Anakin is a different story. After Watching The Clone Wars the March on the Jedi temple becomes a full on greek tragedy. He was the best of all the Jedi and the most caring if you can ignore his slight propensity for despotism other than that great guy
Im 20 and just recently started actually hahahaha, but you could be still be true since seeing these classic characters again does make me happy even if its a useless filler arc.
Yes, as much as it's talked up, the vast majority of it is Saturday morning cartoon crap, just waiting for them to sell us a box of cereal. It maintains its reputation I think with a healthy handful of really spectacular episodes (and a couple of great arcs) that really enrich the Prequel Trilogy. I'd recommend finding a list of those episodes/arcs and only watching those. If you fall in love with the show, watch the rest, but so much of the rest is so forgettable that you'll only be doing yourself a disservice if you get burnt out from all the mediocre stuff and miss the real meat.
I’ve had the same thing as you, I know everyone on here insists it isn’t a kid’s show, but I think it is. Not to hate on the people that liked it, but I think the first seasons are just General Grievous hide and seek, which gets tiring after a while. In my opinion most seasons have one to two good episodes, except the last two which are all killer.
I start out with disliking Ahsoka, but I like her better and better.
One thing about CW is that the fandom seems to be all over any plotholes in any live action film or series, but ignore major plot holes in CW. I think perhaps the series are quite overrated, but I also watched it the first time as a grown up.
Haven’t watched much Rebels yet, not into the kid’s show vibe it gives, but I get that some people liked it
That’s exactly how I feel, in fact I only want to try and watch it for all the canon relevant stuff that seems to be leaking into the live action shows but it feels like a chore to watch for me because of how childish it is.
Each to their own I guess 🤷♂️
Anakin believes in people, not ideologies. And Anakin will sacrifice everything for his friends. And that’s exactly what palpatine sets anakin up for, he befriended him and creatta situation where anakin would sacrifice anything for his love padme, and that’s how he loses it all
this is one of the issues i have with TCW: Filoni hates the Jedi (like the SW fandom hates the Jedi), so he played that card. which is probably one of the reasons why people like TCW (and Filoni's SW works in general)
I don't think Filoni hates the Jedi. I think there are some serious fundamental flaws with the Order we see in the TCW that get layed bare more obviously when you have dozens of hours potential content.
Heck even what we see of the Order in the prequels is... Eyebrow rising to say the least.
here's the problem:
George Lucas gave James Earl Jones specific directions for voicing Darth Vader in the original trilogy, where he told him that Vader did not fully grasp human emotion. while this may have been just a hint at the fact that he was "more machine than man" before that part of the story had been written, Hayden Christensen built his performance as Anakin from Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith on Jones' delivery.
so Hayden's "wooden" Anakin was intentional.
but Dave Filoni retconned that in TCW because the fans didn't like the prequels and his whole goal was to retcon the prequels ("George advised him" is a lie). this is one of many reasons why i view TCW as non-canon (along with everything Disney made)
better written than what? the actual story that George Lucas made? hint: Irvin Kershner didn't write the story of Empire Strikes Back. that was all George, aka the one you hate because he didn't make Anakin a Damien character whose fall was telegraphed from the moment he appeared
Whats not telegraphed? Idk maybe the moment he slaughtered the sand people and padme gave it no secound though wasnt "subtle"
George was practically telling you he was unstable
As it stands faloni made Anakin a far better character
"far better character"
lol, are you serious? Matt was even more wooden than Hayden, and making Anakin inexplicably emotionally stable for a three month period that ended up lasting eight years, and then inexplicably go back to being emotionally unstable, is not a good thing.
really? because nobody was going "he shouldn't have been a kid in The Phantom Menace"? i know you love the cartoon cowboy because he retconned the prequels and threw you a bone by making the Jedi evil and the Sith whiny innocent little victims (-cough- emo Darth Maul), but that's not "quality". that's overdone cliche
>Matt was even more wooden than Hayden,
Not sure how thats the case his emotions and banter with obi-wan are better than anything displayed in the prequel trilogy
>know you love the cartoon cowboy because he retconned the prequels and threw you a bone by making the Jedi evil and the Sith whiny innocent little victims (-cough- emo Darth Maul), but that's not "quality". that's overdone
Lol great counter argument. Filoni never hated the jedi or why would kanan be written the way he is
Maul was never an innocent victim. He was someone who never learned and just let revenge guide him despite still having family at the time of his revival only to lose it in his own stubborness
I'm sorry did you watch the show?
But go ahead do tell me how organically written anakins fall is in the prequels. He turns to sidious who doesnt even garantee he has the knowlege plaguies had to save padme
He has no turmoil over fighting obi-wan who he was just friends with brothers with what days ago at best
The clones turn without question despite having served under their generals for so long
Padme dies due to "losing the will to live"
The creation of more warriors will not end this war. The financial costs alone will bankrupt and cripple the Republic. By adding more clones to the conflict, we are only escalating destruction, not winning the war.
Am i the only one that wants them to try do something like this with the sequels yes its not gonna fix them but atleast try make something good from it
They really did. They would have been great parents for Luke and Leia. I recommend that everyone reads the AOTC novel, it expands a lot on their relationship.
Isn’t that like ten minutes before he loses his shit and tries to beat Clovis to death?
Tbf Clovis was trying to smash 24/7
And he thought challenging a lunatic with a metal hand to a fistfight was a good idea, then later placed his life in the same lunatic’s hands and shortly after “fell” to his death. Moron deserved it honestly.
I wonder how much regular people knew about Anakin's wild side ? Did the average Joe knew that he destroyed the main separatist ship during the (not so legal) invasion of Naboo or all of the crazy tactics he used during the war ?
Given how little we know of military actions/heroism, when our news network is limited to one planet and one sentient species, I'd say all they know is "Anakin's a Jedi general leading our boys to victory!"
I would expect that Palpatine would have try to make him look better in the he eyes of the public
Palpatine did. He organised a few specific situations where Anakin would emerge victorious as good PR for the Republic. He also would order Anakin back from dangerous frontiers in the Clone Wars so he didn't get killed like Umbara.
Easy to do too, when you can get access to both sides intelligence reports.
Palpy totally would've shown more of his exploits to influence public opinion in Ani's favour so his transition into Darth Vader would be less jarring for the public. The suit certainly helped a lot though.
Given the dialogue between Oni-Wan and Reva in the second-to-last episode of Kenobi, I'd wager that Vader's true identity wasn't a matter of public knowledge
The original Palpatine's intent was similar to Count Dooku in regard to Anakin's name - publicly he still would be Anakin Skywalker (he wasn't intended to wear a suit after all) and his title of Darth Vader would be used only between him and emperor when they would need to discuss some secret sith business, but after being forced to wear a suit in the aftermath of duel on Mustafar, yes, Vader true identity became a secret and officially Anakin died during operation Knightfall (IIRC in the official empire version he died protecting Palpatine from the jedi but I might be wrong about that)
This actually makes a ton of sense. Palpatine fed Anakin the lies that he wanted the public to believe, because when someone else speaks your truth it gains a lot more traction.
He is a political idealist, not a murderer.
Even a sith lord is no match for my warriors!
I’d imagine that’s one of the ways the suit ended up helping Palpatine since it’d removed the they can’t all be bad argument that’d come up surrounding the Jedi if Anakin didn’t take the lava dip.
I thought Anakin "died" protecting younlings?
Anakin was the poster boy of the republic almost every thing he did was reported on of course they made it seem way more dramatic and what not but the galaxy new a lot about him
in the revenge of the sith novelization Anakin is frequently broadcast across the republic as a home grown hero! I'd expect them to leave out the war crimes lmao
The novelization really adds a lot of context to the story. I especially like that it points out Anakin has only gotten like 3 hours of sleep for the last two weeks before the story takes place. That and Dookus last second realization that he too were utterly deceived by Palpatine. Or the way it describes the difference between how Jedi and Sith uses the force during the Dooku Duel... I need to go reread that book.
I love that it shows Cody's thinking how nice it would have been if Palpy had issued Order 66 about 5 minutes earlier.
Even a sith lord is no match for my warriors!
In the arc where Ahsoka is framed, he lunged at a clone behind glass and the guy jumps back. I’m pretty sure his whole “hey, you’re ok so don’t come to school tomorrow” behavior was an open secret
Or the clone flinched because a very angry Jedi knight was becoming threatening After all he did react by having armed clones escort him out.
Looks like I got here just in time.
I don’t know about regular people but his Clone Legion definitely knew his stories. Fives, Tup, and Hardcase literally referenced Anakin’s tactic of destroying the Droid Ship during the Umbara arc and did the same thing.
Anakin was basically the republic poster boy for the war. Palps didn’t want to give a lot of credit to the Jedi so they didn’t look so good for when he did order 66, so he gave it all to Anakin specifically. That way the Jedi Order as a whole wasn’t seen as the heroes of the war, just Anakin. My guess is that Clovis, being a politician, thought Anakin was JUST a poster boy, as putting your big war hero on the front lines is risky. If he dies, that would be a MASSIVE moral hit to the republic, and as such, Clovis likely thought Anakin’s feats were just being attributed to him. He expected Anakin to be acting as a war hero, instead of actually being one.
We need that generator down or the planet's lost. And I'm not risking any more men.
That’s actually a good point about Clovis as it is possible most of those feats where staged. Although he still kind of an idiot because he was still a Jedi who can deflect blaster bolts and are very well known for their martial powers as an order.
A metal-armed, visibly furious, battle-hardened, war hero(and/or criminal) warrior-monk VS A senator who never fought a day in his life Who could’ve foreseen the outcome?
A force wielding metal armed lunatic.
Trying to kiss Padme wasn't a bright idea either since she's had a lot more combat experience than him. If it wasn't for the fact that she needed his help she probably would have shoved a blaster up his backside.
but you have to respect Clovis for not snitching, he could then and there end Anakin's entire career by calling him a madman and expose his affection for Padme infront of the entire Republic court and Jedi council. Anakin gets expelled. But tbh I guess it would be good if he did snitch, with Anakin not in the Order anymore, Palpatine can't carry out his plans and Order 66 is rendered useless as no-one can take on the jedi temple.
And it would’ve resulted in Mace chasing Obi Wan around the temple yelling “I told you so”
Lmao I bet Mace would smirk when he expells Anakin because he probably wanted to do it the very second Qui-Gon introduced him in TPM.
Not to mention that this lunatic was also one of the most powerful force users in the galaxy, an esteemed war general, and had a lot of combat experience. The dude also had a lightsaber, but didn't use it. I would do a lot in an attempt to bang Padmé, even destroy the economy of the galaxy. But challenging her not-so-secret husband to a fistfight, and he has all the advantages listed above, might be the limit. But again, anything for Padmé's Naboobies
Ani: “I can’t hold both of you!” Also Ani: >! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)!<
Clovis is the guy whom you want to punch 😂
Who wouldn't? We are talking about Natalie fucking Portman.
Nah man this episode was hostage crisis, back in season 2 or something. Anakin had some real moves back they were straight up making out in her office
*Hostage Crisis* is the last episode of Season 1, I think.
i think this screenshot is from a clovis episode (the one from early in season 2 when they first introduce the character), but not the particular one in season 6 where anakin actually gets into a fistfight with him
I mean, tbf Clovis kinda deserved a bonk to horny jail
BONK!
Padmes character in the movies and where she ends up are so fucked up that filling in the blanks at all on her character could only make her look more terrible. Whether you're showing her in the Senate or with Anakin she has to be dumb and incompetent as fuck so she doesn't unravel Palatine's whole plan or realize Anakin is awful.
I mean love does kinda make people a bit blind. Red flags just look like flags when you're looking through rose-colored glasses.
Nope. He didn't beat up Clovis until season 6, here Padmé just flirted with him whilst Anakin watched.
Anakin literally told Padme that he'd give her his sword. Give her... His sword. His sword.
And his bow
And MY axe.
They're taking the hobbits to Isengard!
"It's heavier than I thought."
It has a good weight in my hands
I love you, Ani.
You don’t have to carry a sword to be powerful. Some leaders’ strength is inspiring others.
detachable cock
He was almost about to give her his "lightsaber" right in the middle of her office, but was ultimately cockblocked by their future daughter's adoptive father.
Ah, a lightsaber comment! Your comment will make a fine addition to my collection, RandomGuyOnline71!
Satine and Obi Wan literally still has me crying... I've not stopped... it's been years...
Ewan has a terrible track record with Satines.
Your thinking of Saltines.
Well they are coarse and somewhat rough and do crumble everywhere.
*you’re
Sorry, yore right.
Why'd you have to hurt me like that
Whyyyy does my heaaaaaart cryyyyyyyyy
Their relationship dynamic, their history, their back and forth and banter, and the parallels with Anakin and Padme as well as the contrasts, it has to be one of my favourite parts of the show. It grounded Obi-Wan a lot for me and cemented my love for his character
*OH, Ani*
Dude, the first time I watched their last episode...
Maybe drink some water, you will dehydrate
Just rewatched Maul kill Satine tonight. I’m definitely both meme faces.
Well, perhaps I could help you.
Like you helped Savage? No thanks.
i don't care what universe where you're from, that's gotta hurt!
A fellow Ratchet and Clank fan?
it is literally a quote from EP1
Whoops. Haven't seen that in about ten years.
your sins shall be forgiven but you must repent. i sentence you to a prequel rewatch.
Revenge of the Sith definitely did some justice in the emotive acting department. The scenes where Anakin and Padme both stare off into the Coruscant skyline both visibly anxious about the future. It definitely was one of Georges better decisions if it was his work, Lucas needs a proof writer for his dialogue sometimes or at least someone to shoot back and forth with in order to make real diamonds in the rough.
*OH, Ani*
The fact that Ani means "anuses" in italian made this 100x times amusing for me
LMAO
He had a proof writer/script doctor: Carrie Fisher. But not even she could've fix it.
AOTC and ROTS novels also did them some justice. But "pacing" prevented GL from having good dialogue
The retcon is strong with this one
From a certain point of view...
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW NOTHING IS CANON
Well then you are lost!
I've never understood the dislike of that particular line. A lot of other lines are quirky as hell but that line actually has something to it. Anakin was a slave for most and all of that life was in sand. Sand and slavery goes hand in hand for Anakin. For 10 years all he knew was sand and slavery. No wonder he doesn't like sand
That's what I thought
Nobody ever said the line didn’t have meaning, it’s just horribly awkward and comes out of nowhere. There’s no rational reason to start a conversation with “I don’t like sand”
He is a 16-18 year old boy talking alone with his first crush. I have said worse things to girls in similar situations.
He is a 16-18 year old boy talking alone with his first crush. I have said worse things to girls in similar situations.
Because it's a dumb line that you're reading heavily into.
Or maybe you hate it too much because it became a meme and now it's just that meme line instead of actual decent dialogue.
Or it's just bad dialogue. Acting pompous about it like you just can't fathom how anyone could possibly not understand the metaphor isn't doing it favors. Can understand the meaning but that doesn't excuse the awful execution.
I actually have issues with how The Clones War portrayed their relationship because they made it seemed like they're co dependent on each other which could have been Lucas' intention but the movies only showed me a pure deep love they had for one another.I don't know if the comics or any other source also show their relationship like The Clone Wars does so I may be wrong. Edit: grammer and spelling
The films don't show much of it but it's clear that Anakin is obsessive over Padmé. And look at Anakin. He isn't exactly the most stable Jedi out there. Padmé isn't in it because she knows what a red flag looks like. The Clone Wars only double down on what's already there, and I love it because their love is both genuine and unhealthily obsessive.
The creation of more warriors will not end this war. The financial costs alone will bankrupt and cripple the Republic. By adding more clones to the conflict, we are only escalating destruction, not winning the war.
You've gotta be pretty codependant to die when you think your love died even though you just gave birth to twins.
I honor my code. That's what I believe.
Lol
I love the show but I also feel like it reconned the original intent from the movie to point out how Anakin was awkward as shit due to being brought up in the Jedi order and how their indoctrination of suppressing emotions ironically made him even weaker to his feelings for Padme. I can see why it was done though in the show as the point was missed by a lot of movie viewers and they just thought it was bad writing.
Anakin and I are friends. Our relationship is strictly professional.
The Jedi don't teach you to suppress your emotions. They teach against attachment. I think you're reading too much into George's intentions for their relationship too but he might have said it somewhere.
You know that's a decent point, Anakin is painfully awkward in Attack of the Clones, and I just watched an episode of Clone Wars where Anakin straight up seduces a slaver queen with his charm
That was not the original intent in the movie at all.
Honestly this community is way too revisionist about the prequels . Guys George Lucas isn't some secret genius who put a billion subtle messages in the prequel trilogy. They're bad movies that are fun as shit to watch. That's why we're here.
It wasn't depicted as healthy in the prequels either.
Dude didn’t Anakin threaten to leave Padme in prison bc he was pissed off? Their relationship in Clone Wars was incredibly toxic, but that does also show why he’d go to such lengths to “save her” from death.
The creation of more warriors will not end this war. The financial costs alone will bankrupt and cripple the Republic. By adding more clones to the conflict, we are only escalating destruction, not winning the war.
But, anakin is an abusive partner, he is not a good person? He beats a man almost to death and tells padme “you don’t get a say in this” Also he literally threatens to leave her in jail. And pressures her with the classic abuser tactic of “the big gesture” (see cad bane senate episode)
>He beats a man almost to death That's misleading. Anakin went apeshit on Clovis because he was forcing himself onto Padme.
Something wonderful has happened. Clovis, I'm pregnant.
What the fuck
Ayo what ??!?!?
Yes, and I’m not saying Clovis isn’t also a piece of shit, but padme was clearly telling Clovis no, and tries to tell both of them to stop only to get brushed away and screamed at by anakin Anakin at that point wasn’t doing it to protect padme, he was beating Clovis because he “dared touch his woman” (which is gross too)
Doesn't help Clovis was a separate and had been a dick to anakin multiple times
I don't get how anyone can watch those episodes and come out thinking Anakin was in the right, or very mentally stable for that matter
Somehow the council didn’t get him therapy at any point I feel bad for padme, she’s somehow completely blind to this, and I don’t get how.
Go suck some anal toys
sorry that you're too busy suckling anakins balls to notice he is emotionally abusive to his wife
Good.
*OH, Ani*
Girl no
it's too late
Clovis deserved that beating. Dude wasn't taking "No" for an answer and then proceeded get into a fist fight with someone who: 1) is an experienced fighter, 2) has force enhanced speed and strength, and 3) has a metal hand. The not taking "No" justifed the beating. Who He fought just ensured it actually happened.
But anakin wasn’t fighting to protect padme, he was fighting because he believed something of his has been encroached on. He ignores padme when she pleads for him to stop. Anakin should have either I mobilized Clovis while he got the guards to escort Clovis to a detention area, as he just witnessed sexual assault. Then proceeded to ask and make sure padme is okay, not self aggrandizing by getting into a losing match with the man who just assaulted his wife
Guard duty? For how long?
I just started watching the clone wars for the first time the other night. Idk why I never watched it when i was a kid. All of my friends were always talking about it, and I just never cared. Man I was dumb.
I recommend watching the episodes in chronological order. Some of the episodes bounce in the timeline. Edit: adding [link](https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder)
I recommend against watching the episodes in chronological order. Watching them in release order like a normal person works just fine.
Agree. I hate when people have their weirdo watch order. Just be a normal person and consume the media the way the creators intended, I promise it’s gonna be fine.
Anakin was super manipulative to Padme and way controlling of everything she did. She was smart and didn't fall for his BS but still, that is not a relationship to look up to.
He's not my boyfriend. Anakin's a friend we've known each other for years.
I don’t care what universe you’re from, that’s got to hurt.
You tell him girl!
Some of y'all have never listened to A More Civilized Age and it shows
ayoooo fellow listener here
It was indeed miles better than what we got in the films
Thought this would be a Satine and Obi-Wan post.
Unpopular opinion: anakin and padme’s relationship was toxic as fuck. Anakin never had faith in her and was always hateful and jealous as soon as their relationship was tested. The only time he was romantic was the first cad Bain arc.
The I don’t like sand is talking about his life as a slave
Fr I’ve watched it all
Love the prequels but honestly Anakin was a pretty questionable guy in the movies. You can definitely see how he started swinging on everyone. Clone Wars Anakin is a different story. After Watching The Clone Wars the March on the Jedi temple becomes a full on greek tragedy. He was the best of all the Jedi and the most caring if you can ignore his slight propensity for despotism other than that great guy
Can anyone tell me when the Clone Wars show gets good? After all the hype on here I tried watching it but it’s so goddam boring
Interesting, i actually liked the first few seasons but i guess after the third one it gets more interesting. Animation quality gets better too.
Could it be a nostalgia thing? Knowing the normal Reddit age demographic I’m sure a lot of people here were kids when it first aired
Im 20 and just recently started actually hahahaha, but you could be still be true since seeing these classic characters again does make me happy even if its a useless filler arc.
Just like Rebels, it gets better over time and really gets going from S3 onwards.
Yes, as much as it's talked up, the vast majority of it is Saturday morning cartoon crap, just waiting for them to sell us a box of cereal. It maintains its reputation I think with a healthy handful of really spectacular episodes (and a couple of great arcs) that really enrich the Prequel Trilogy. I'd recommend finding a list of those episodes/arcs and only watching those. If you fall in love with the show, watch the rest, but so much of the rest is so forgettable that you'll only be doing yourself a disservice if you get burnt out from all the mediocre stuff and miss the real meat.
I’ve had the same thing as you, I know everyone on here insists it isn’t a kid’s show, but I think it is. Not to hate on the people that liked it, but I think the first seasons are just General Grievous hide and seek, which gets tiring after a while. In my opinion most seasons have one to two good episodes, except the last two which are all killer. I start out with disliking Ahsoka, but I like her better and better. One thing about CW is that the fandom seems to be all over any plotholes in any live action film or series, but ignore major plot holes in CW. I think perhaps the series are quite overrated, but I also watched it the first time as a grown up. Haven’t watched much Rebels yet, not into the kid’s show vibe it gives, but I get that some people liked it
That’s exactly how I feel, in fact I only want to try and watch it for all the canon relevant stuff that seems to be leaking into the live action shows but it feels like a chore to watch for me because of how childish it is. Each to their own I guess 🤷♂️
Care to tell me what this is all about? Or would you rather save it for the Council?
Yea it's amazing how much better the cartoons are than the movies.
Anakin believes in people, not ideologies. And Anakin will sacrifice everything for his friends. And that’s exactly what palpatine sets anakin up for, he befriended him and creatta situation where anakin would sacrifice anything for his love padme, and that’s how he loses it all
Still better than Twilight
I didn’t watch that much of the clone wars but I still love and appreciate and defend the prequels for what they were
Dialogue is still cringe, and will forever be.
Think about it: If it weren't for Carrie's work as a script doctor, it could've been much worse .
The Jedi councils rules caused more than just literal casualties (although their were plenty for those).
this is one of the issues i have with TCW: Filoni hates the Jedi (like the SW fandom hates the Jedi), so he played that card. which is probably one of the reasons why people like TCW (and Filoni's SW works in general)
That's a bit of a reach.
I don't think Filoni hates the Jedi. I think there are some serious fundamental flaws with the Order we see in the TCW that get layed bare more obviously when you have dozens of hours potential content. Heck even what we see of the Order in the prequels is... Eyebrow rising to say the least.
"I don't like sand" has more deeper meaning than "I am all the Jedi."
People that complain about the sand dialouge really need to get a grip
What?
I mean yeah it was years ago but it was still bad dialogue.
here's the problem: George Lucas gave James Earl Jones specific directions for voicing Darth Vader in the original trilogy, where he told him that Vader did not fully grasp human emotion. while this may have been just a hint at the fact that he was "more machine than man" before that part of the story had been written, Hayden Christensen built his performance as Anakin from Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith on Jones' delivery. so Hayden's "wooden" Anakin was intentional. but Dave Filoni retconned that in TCW because the fans didn't like the prequels and his whole goal was to retcon the prequels ("George advised him" is a lie). this is one of many reasons why i view TCW as non-canon (along with everything Disney made)
You can view it as non canon but its damn better written
better written than what? the actual story that George Lucas made? hint: Irvin Kershner didn't write the story of Empire Strikes Back. that was all George, aka the one you hate because he didn't make Anakin a Damien character whose fall was telegraphed from the moment he appeared
Whats not telegraphed? Idk maybe the moment he slaughtered the sand people and padme gave it no secound though wasnt "subtle" George was practically telling you he was unstable As it stands faloni made Anakin a far better character
Anakin and I are friends. Our relationship is strictly professional.
It’s like when your family is arguing and the dog starts jumping around because they think the two of you are playing.
"far better character" lol, are you serious? Matt was even more wooden than Hayden, and making Anakin inexplicably emotionally stable for a three month period that ended up lasting eight years, and then inexplicably go back to being emotionally unstable, is not a good thing. really? because nobody was going "he shouldn't have been a kid in The Phantom Menace"? i know you love the cartoon cowboy because he retconned the prequels and threw you a bone by making the Jedi evil and the Sith whiny innocent little victims (-cough- emo Darth Maul), but that's not "quality". that's overdone cliche
>Matt was even more wooden than Hayden, Not sure how thats the case his emotions and banter with obi-wan are better than anything displayed in the prequel trilogy >know you love the cartoon cowboy because he retconned the prequels and threw you a bone by making the Jedi evil and the Sith whiny innocent little victims (-cough- emo Darth Maul), but that's not "quality". that's overdone Lol great counter argument. Filoni never hated the jedi or why would kanan be written the way he is Maul was never an innocent victim. He was someone who never learned and just let revenge guide him despite still having family at the time of his revival only to lose it in his own stubborness I'm sorry did you watch the show? But go ahead do tell me how organically written anakins fall is in the prequels. He turns to sidious who doesnt even garantee he has the knowlege plaguies had to save padme He has no turmoil over fighting obi-wan who he was just friends with brothers with what days ago at best The clones turn without question despite having served under their generals for so long Padme dies due to "losing the will to live"
I’m hiding with the bots
But which was destroyed? The master, or the apprentice?
Revenge. I must have revenge.
The creation of more warriors will not end this war. The financial costs alone will bankrupt and cripple the Republic. By adding more clones to the conflict, we are only escalating destruction, not winning the war.
To continue, we need one singular vision…my vision.
But which was destroyed? The master, or the apprentice?
Bidoof’s Law strikes again
Good for you man!!!!!!
Clone Wars gave us Satine and Obi, Lux and Ahsoka and improved anakin and padme's relationship.
Good thing I know you don’t mean everything you say.
Dave perfected the prequels
I disagree. Like almost everything from the series adapted from the films it's an inferior version that cheapens the original.
Anakin is the BEST JEDI ever in terms of potential and strength! He is also loyal to his friends which makes him a great jedi 👍🏻
Am i the only one that wants them to try do something like this with the sequels yes its not gonna fix them but atleast try make something good from it
Also brought even more of a punch to order 66
They certainly did deserve each other
Anakin Hates Sand because its makes him remember his terrible lives in tatooine
They really did. They would have been great parents for Luke and Leia. I recommend that everyone reads the AOTC novel, it expands a lot on their relationship.
I like the romance in the first place. It is shown through actions. Not words.
Anakin also became much smoother too. "Seducing" that Zygerian slave Queen with some decent flirting like a right little Romeo.
Lucas writing vs Dave filloni writing