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Axtwyt

I’m sorry, but what arc was Bariss supposed to have that got ruined by the Traitor arc?


AdmiralScavenger

I think they’re referring to the Legends version of the character.


Starkiller100

Seeing as nobody here even knows of the Legends arc she has, it can’t have been that good. I will take George and Filoni’s version of the story any day over Legends.


AdmiralScavenger

She was a healer, the same age as Anakin, who was in the MedStar books and the AOTC prequel novel The Approaching Storm. The ROTS comic has her die during Order 66.


The_Mauldalorian

I did find it odd Barriss is a full-grown woman in AOTC and is Anakin's contemporary, but gets aged down to Ahsoka's duirng TCW.


Akihirohowlett

Yeah, she looked like an adult (or damn near close to one) in her brief appearance


Pirdak

Anakin is 19, and Ahsoka is 15 in TCW S1, yeah? If Bariss splits the difference, she’s 17, which is believable


available2tank

I loved the Medstar books. When Bariss appeared in Clone Wars, I got excited but you know how it goes when a character arc goes the way you werent expecting. :(


myfirstnuzlocke

I think the medstar books are so underrated. That being said, there were elements of her character in there that made the ultimate outcome for her seem plausible.


available2tank

Its been years since I read the Medstar books tbh, close to almost a decade. I devoured them when I was younger, I scoured looking for more Michael Reaves Star Wars books


myfirstnuzlocke

I read them like a month ago and thought they were so excellent. Particularly the first one. Can’t wait to read coruscant nights and the maul books as Ik some characters pop up there also


Maul_Bot

Revenge. I must have revenge.


available2tank

Honestly the Maul book was what introduced me to Reaves. Then Medstar. I never got around to reading Coruscant nights though


myfirstnuzlocke

I only read MedStar of his but it gave me a very good impression of him and made me want to read more


Mythosaurus

Was just telling a coworker about those books when discussing the political subtexts of the Clone Wars. They really are M.A.S.H. in space, bringing humanity to clone soldiers that are treated like droids.


clone_trooper_bot

"Sir, are you sure we're cloned from the same vat?" -Scorch, Delta 62


[deleted]

Loved Bariss in the books and hated what Clone Wars did to her. Like the could have created a new character instead of deaging Bariss and corrupting her.


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

From my point of view, the Jedi are evil.


Obiwan-Kenobi-Bot

Well, then you are lost!


Maultaschensuppe

Her death in the comic is actually from a deleted scene in RotS.


Numerous1

The mediatar books were surprisingly good.


mrbagels1

Theres a recent SW Insider short story in the Galactic Tales series that has her working in the jedi temple hospital as a healer near the start of the war because she can't deal with the violence on the front lines until Unduli forces her back to Geonosis. I havent read those legends books but I wonder if that was a nod to her character in those.


DarthWallaceIII

Your logic is flawed The reason TCW is more popular than legends is that it's more accessible Legends did some things far better than TCW


Obi-wan_Jabroni

Also it was an awesome Star Wars version of The Fugitive


DreamSeaker

Great movie.


kev_lass

Saying that just because it's unknown means it's not good ia such a bad take.


Nagger_Luvver

"I don't know it, so it must be bad." What a smoothbrain take.


SanctuaryMoon

It's actually pretty highly regarded by fans who did more than watch the movies and the cartoons.


OpoChano

What an awful take lmao. Just because something's more well-known doesn't necessarily mean it's better


Rudraakkshh

Many people aren't familiar with Legends content. Legends Clone Wars is like a billion times better than the canon version. Yet many people don't know much about it because they're mostly limited to books. Many people prefer to watch things rather than read about it.


wendigo72

Now that’s just plain fucking disrespectful to Medstar. It’s recommended a lot in the legends side of the fandom Edit: the fact that the comment has 1K+ upvotes is sad


TheGreatBatsby

Ridiculous take, but you do you old chap


WatchBat

Her legends arc. Where she was kinda a friend to Anakin and helped him improve his relationship with Obi-Wan, she was also a medic and basically a very good person. She had a duology of books about her as well as appearances here and there


ominousgraycat

Anakin was basically a good person except when he wasn't. Bariss could have been a good person who really wanted the Clone Wars to end, and allowed herself to be corrupted on a "righteous" path to end the Clone Wars sooner.


SanctuaryMoon

>Anakin was basically a good person except when he wasn't Wut


ominousgraycat

I mean 98% of the time he was a good guy until he fell to the dark side, but he did have his bad moments even before that. There may have been other characters, like Bariss, who were also good 99% of the time... until they weren't.


Maul_Bot

You know nothing of the dark side.


ominousgraycat

Yeah, but apparently Bariss does.


SanctuaryMoon

I'd argue that any chance of him being a "good person" evaporated when he slaughtered children the first time.


ominousgraycat

That was a definite dark side moment, but according to Star Wars lore, he was still redeemable. He came back to the light right before he died, and was able to chill with other light side force ghosts.


Maul_Bot

You know nothing of the dark side.


Justicar-terrae

There are enough extenuating circumstances for the Tusken incident for him to be redeemable at that point. His actions were definitely evil and fueled by the dark side; but it's a big leap from what happened on Tatooine to coldly butchering helpless children on Coruscant. Gotta keep context in mind. Motive and circumstance doesn't unmake a murder (aside from self defense), but it does affect the sentence and chance for rehabilitation. Imagine yourself as Anakin here: You were raised as a slave and you dreamed of returning home to free all the slaves on your honeworld. Except you didn't do that. You never even tried to visit your own mother until you were haunted with visions of her being tortured. When you arrived on the world you find out she was sold to a new owner years ago. You panic because you've never heard of this man's name, this man who purchased your mother like she was a sack of flour. Watto was evil, but you never worried Watto would kill your mother. Who knows about this new guy? You go to meet the man who bought your mother. The whole time you recall Watto saying he heard this man freed and married your mother. But was it coerced? Freedom in exchange for marriage? How does he treat her? You missed the wedding, if you were even invited. You're a terrible son and your mother is in danger because of you. You arrive at the homestead to see the man. He's kind, and he has children. You have a stepbrother, and he is kind too. But your mother is missing and your stepfather is missing a leg. He says savage Tuskens came to raid the settlers in the area. They took captives to torture and murder; 30 settlers fought back but failed at the cost of 26 lives and your stepfather's leg. You're mad. Those people couldn't save your mother, but they were at least here to try. They did more.for her than any of your empty promises ever did. You could have saved those settlers, your mother, and your step-father's leg. But you abandoned her, abandoned them. Now you go to see the Tuskens. You were raised with stories of their cruelty, and you just heard another account of their butchery. They kill innocent men, women, and children. But you're a Jedi. You force yourself to believe nobody is truly evil. If you can just reach your mother, you can bring her home. She'll be safe, and maybe you can even use your diplomatic skills to broker a truce between the Tuskens and the farmers. Except when you arrive at the camp there is only pain. You find your mother tied up, tortured and dying. It seems she was only holding onto life at all because she had a feeling you would come, and she wanted to say goodbye. Her torture was extended because you, selfish son and incompetent Jedi, did not arrive sooner. All that time on Naboo enjoying yourself, was time you added to her sentence. And she wasn't just used as a punching bag, (novel implies) she was raped too. And some of the cuts and bruises are shallow and small, seems some of the women and children had fun torturing her as well. It makes sense. The Tusken women likely share the values of their husbands because both were raised in the same camps, and they work together to teach their children the same values and skills. Your mother dies in your arms, a filthy and mutilated corpse. So you abandon stealth. You are leaving, and you are taking your mother's body with you. You step out of the tent, and the shocked guards reach for their weapons to strike at you. But you are faster, and your weapon is far stronger. You are only angrier still. This is PROOF you could have saved your mother and the settlers of you had been present when these Tuskens, when these monsters, attacked. More men rush you, you refuse to run, those men die. Some women rush you now. They are mothers, daughters, lovers, siblings of the men you just cut down. The women are cut down. Children, who have spent their lives dreaming of becoming strong warriors who kill outsiders like you, charge at you. You are in no mood to show them kindness and mercy; their charge simply confirms in your mind that ALL Tuskens are savage by nature. And as you give into the Dark Side, you are fueled by it in a way that non-force sensitive people are not. The anger, fear, pain, and hate of your enemies feed into your own. Their rage feeds through the Force to make your own rage stronger. Your rage makes your connection to the Force stronger. And so you feel even more hate and pain and fear from them. It's a horrible loop, like a narcotic that clouds your vision and decision making. Near the end, the few able-bodied warriors start to back away, start to run. You are too angry now. Too furious at the cowardice of these people who were so bravely torturing innocent people and are now so afraid of someone who fights back. You chase them. It's not far, just a few meters. They turn to face you with nowhere else to run, and you cut them down. Behind them are a few women with some of the younger children. One or two women or maybe a few of the older children reach for the gaffi stick of a fallen warrior, and that's enough to break through any mercy-centric willpower you may have left. You take out the whole lot of them with one or two big swings, you feel barely any resistance from the saber. And now the camp is empty. Anakin feels immense guilt here, and he should. He killed several noncombatants, and he killed several people whom he probably could have disarmed. But it's not like he just went on a random murder spree. He was in a very emotional state, one that literally cannot occur again since his only mother is now dead. All of his victims were part of a tribe that engaged in raiding peaceful settlers and torturing innocent captives. Nearly all of his victims participated in that activity directly or indirectly. And many, if not most or all, of his victims took up arms and attacked him. Murder? Yes. Beyond rehabilitation? Arguably not.


HK-47-bot

Query: Can I kill him now, master? I would like ever so much to crush his neck. Just a little. It is a long time fantasy of mine.


SanctuaryMoon

Eh I still wouldn't kill kids


Justicar-terrae

That's good. And it's good that you know yourself well enough to know exactly how you'd react to such incredible trauma amplified by exposure to a supernatural force of corruption that nobody outside of that fictional universe has ever experienced. I don't know how I would have reacted if I were in Anakin's shoes. And I think plenty of other audience members feel the same way. We know it's wrong to kill kids, and we hold that against Anakin. But we also know his actions followed an experience of unearthly trauma, were conducted under the sway of a mind-altering magical force, and were limited in temporal scope to a single night of life-or-death combat. So some of us still think Anakin could have been redeemed or rehabilitated after that incident.


Maul_Bot

You know nothing of the dark side.


SkanakinLukewalker

I have never heard of another either


MrGentleZombie

Her entire character runs contrary to being a terrorist, also she was depicted dying in Order 66.


clone_trooper_bot

"I don't know. Could be fun." -Hardcase


trioculus_

get off our case


OGraffe

In a deleted scene. Deleted scenes aren’t canon until something proves otherwise


Akihirohowlett

Yeah, like how there were two separate deleted scenes where Shaak Tii got killed


YOurAreWr0ng

She was in the background of like 1 movie and had an episode of clones wars or two about her. She doesn’t have much of a character run.


Patchesrick

I thought her and shak ti went to Felicia where they both got taken out by the real star killer


Dankank292

That’s maris brood and shaak ti, completely different


MrGentleZombie

She died on Felucia yes, but it was during order 66


commander-thorn

That’s Aayla Secura was it not? Cause from I remember Shaak Ti has like 4 maybe 5 death scenes in all of Star Wars if we’re including the two deleted scenes, maybe 6 if that Bad Batch episode was Shaak Ti but I’m pretty sure that was confirmed to be not her.


MrGentleZombie

Secura and Offee both died on Felucia in Order 66


clone_trooper_bot

"I hesitated for a moment when I received Order 66 because the last thing I expected was a Jedi coup. Did I feel betrayed? You bet I did. I thought of all my men who died under Ki-Adi-Mundi's command, and if I'd known then that he and his buddies were gearing up to do the Separatists' work for them and overthrow the government, I'd have shot him as a traitor a lot earlier. He betrayed the trust of every one of us." -Commander Bacara


commander-thorn

Ah I got confused and thought you were referring to Shaak ti’s many deaths lol


Memanders

We have no confirmation of Bariss Offees death in canon


clone_trooper_bot

"We know MrGentleZombie is on board. They've been marked for termination by Order 66. Under this directive, any and all Jedi leadership must be executed for treason against the Republic. Any soldier who does not comply with the order, will also be executed for treason." -Captain Rex


joesphisbestjojo

I actually like what Dave did with her character, and it's great that it's someone close to Ahsoka, despite the Medstat novels. But let's be honest He didn't give a kriff about continuity. Why is why I don't have TCW in my Legends headcanom


shaktimanOP

Like 80% of canon Star Wars movies and spin-offs break continuity to some extent lol.


Balauronix

I don't know but it was definitely planted when they were talking in that tank. Why go after Ahsoka who was nice to her, was a bit of a leap though. I would have expected the "Hey don't come to the Jedi temple tomorrow" situation. Also while I'm at it. How did the clones not believe Rex that Ahsoka was no longer a Jedi so she shouldn't be executed, but they also don't shoot at Anakin when he goes to kill the younglings? Did Palpi get back on the megaphone and go "Oh btw don't kill my bestie?"


Captain_Rex_Bot

The order was to execute the Jedi for treason against the Republic. The problem is, Ahsoka Tano is no longer a Jedi. Hasn't been for some time.


cahir11

I would assume the 501st received instructions along the lines of "General Skywalker remains loyal to the Republic, all other Jedi are traitors". But I know Disney did some weird retcon with mind control chips so idk if that would work.


UltimateMelonMan

I feel like that order is even easier to implement with mind control chips. You can just have the 501st's chips activate differently or something like that


Sikletrynet

Exactly, and i suppose we may even have seen some of that, when Tup's chip malfunctioned, he acted "normally" when he looked at Anakin, but became enraged when he looked at Tiplee.


Captain_Rex_Bot

You showed me something today. You're exactly the kind of men I need in the 501st.


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

*ignites lightsaber*


YOurAreWr0ng

Bariss had no arc in current canon. They did nothing wrong to her character. If she had something going on in legends oh well, I never read any of that and don’t care. We lost Legends Luke which seems like a way bigger sore spot


Wacopaco15

We lost Luuke!!!


jaltair9

Don’t forget Luuuke.


wendigo72

Medstar is a really good book tho


Theonerule

The Medstar Duology


egoodwitch

I think Ahsoka’s Order 66 arc still displayed the cruelty of it. It showed the cruelty of how the clone’s free will was stripped from them. It showed the cruelty of forcing a ‘jedi’ and her allies to fight. How can you look at Rex crying because he has to fight his brothers and Ahsoka comforting him and tell me that’s not showing the cruelty of it.


clone_trooper_bot

"Enemies go boom, Sir?" -Scorch, Delta 62


-Effervescence

"What? You wanna go where?" - Greez


clone_trooper_bot

"I was just wondering, sir, if you ever thought about what it would be like to go where the enemies go when they...you know...go boom."


Acalson

To me that’s always going to be the worst part of it. The entire clone wars show builds the characters of the clones, 501st in particular, and then in the end you watch them literally become the slaves and droids they always said they weren’t. Even the clones you don’t know before order 66 hurt because you know they were individuals but they got that taken from them


guy137137

eh I kinda liked that arc, it’s one of the few times in both the prequels and the Clone Wars where the Jedi’s involvement in a war is questioned, they’re supposed to be peacekeepers but are generals in a war.


clone_trooper_bot

"If they weren't trying to kill us, I'd be proud." -Captain Rex


Lordbricktrick

I’ll go as far as to say I really like that arc


PyroSnickenson

I’ll go as far as to say I loved that arc


Malvastor

I'll go as far as to say I'm romantically involved with that arc.


halbeshendel

I’ll go as far as to say I whack it to that arc.


[deleted]

I'll go as far as to say I watch you whack it to that arc.


Assignment_Leading

I think the arc made decent sense to me A super powered child soldier starts to see through the indoctrination they’ve been fed their entire life but instead of leaving like ahsoka did she is corrupted and pipe bombs the institution that robbed her of a *normal* life. Decent foil to ahsoka who similarly saw the Jedi order the same way but chose to leave it behind and carve her own path.


darkbreak

My only issue with that is the sudden concern people in-universe had with the Jedi fighting in a war to protect the Republic when they had done that very same thing dozens upon dozens of times in the past. No one had a problem when it came to fighting the Sith Empire but now people are questioning them fighting dorids. That never made sense to me.


browsib

Public attitudes might have changed in the last thousand years before the Clone Wars


Styrofoamman123

Part of being peacekeepers in crushing a force attacking the Republic.


batsaxsa

There are too many bots in the comments lol.


iEatPalpatineAss

For real. Whoever created them needs to tone them down smh


EnglishMobster

They used to all be banned, but a vocal minority protested that and now this is bot hell. Just like LOTR memes. The _only_ good bot is Bobby B. Every other bot sucks.


MilkMan0096

I actually unsubscribed from this sub ages ago because of the bots. I enjoy the prequel discussion that happens here, but it's a headache to read through now with all the bots interupting.


1337suuB

Yeah under one comment theres like 3 bots comments 💀


Jabrono

I couldn't handle this sub until I blocked them all


Ohio_Monofigs

Oh good I'm not the only one who blocked the bots. They really need to put a limit on how many bot comments there


Jabrono

The Ahsoka one was removed from /r/ahsokatano because it was literally half the comments in some threads lol


Ohio_Monofigs

That's hilarious. They're funny in moderation. But when they reply to nearly ever comment its absurd


asylumattic

Plenty of Jedi died during Order 66 to show just how cruel it was. Allowing Ahsoka to survive and live with that survivor’s guilt is equally as tragic.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Wait! Just because there hasn’t been any survivors before, doesn’t mean there won’t be any this time.


Crimsonmaddog44

This time???


Lazy_Assumption_4191

*Kylo Ren fades into view*


SkollFenrirson

>*Kylo Ren ~~fades~~ throws a tantrum into view* Ftfy


Lazy_Assumption_4191

True. Too true. It really makes you wonder how pathetic Luke’s other students were if Kylo could wipe them out.


SkollFenrirson

It really bothered me when ep 7 plopped in and every 2 bit journalist was like "KyLo iS AnAkIn dOnE rIgHt"


CmdrZander

I mean a night time surprise attack on his "friends" who are probably just young people early in their training? I'm not surprised he had the upper hand.


Savine6

You're right, the ending to clone wars she got is way more tragic than just dying imo


Prawn1908

Yeah how are people all of a sudden complaining about her arc in TCW? For a long time it was (rightfully IMO) praised as one of the best arcs in all of SW.


_Xylo_Ren_

It's because Andor is good so star wars fans don't have something to complain about


Mathies_

True


Prawn1908

Yeah I mean I *love* Andor and having such a "prestige TV* level SW show is awesome. But I also don't want *all* SW content to be like that. TCW was also (mostly) incredible in a totally different way, which was generally the consensus before Andor came around.


clone_trooper_bot

"We're just numbers, Savine6! Just numbers..." -Hevy


TheDoug850

Not to mention that her getting wrongfully kicked out of the order improves Anakin’s arc.


clone_trooper_bot

"Good soldiers follow orders"


joesphisbestjojo

Don't forget you get to show the corruption of the Jedi, one of the main goals of the PT and TCW, and arguably more tragic than Ahsoka dying in Order 66


Sheev-Palpatine-Bot

Enter the bureaucrats, the true rulers of the Republic, and on the payroll of the Trade Federation, I might add. This is where Chancellor Valorum's strength will dissapear.


SanctuaryMoon

The Jedi wasn't even that corrupt. The Senate was but the Jedi Order was 95%+ good and uncorrupted.


Scion41790

I agree. It also allows her to meet Vader, which is a necessary story beat. She should've had died there though


asylumattic

I haven’t seen Rebels, but as an Ahsoka fan and getting to see her in Mandalorian Season 2, I’m glad she’s still around. I don’t think we need to see every character get killed.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

That's ridiculous.


HarbingerOfDisconect

Drama queen


halbeshendel

You should watch Rebels. Agent Kallus is one of the best written characters in all of Star Wars.


LaPiscinaDeLaMuerte

Spoilers for Rebels below! (I don't know how to do the blackout bar thingy) I'm rewatching Rebels and I just watched the episode where Kallus and Zeb have to survive together and seeing Zeb get rescued to the fanfare and adulation of his friends, and then Kallus waking the halls and no one gives a shit about him being there and then him basically having a "come to Jesus" moment with himself was amazing. Clone Wars will always be my favorite, but Rebels is still really fun.


BrawlerAce

I didn't like most of early Rebels, but that episode is when I started liking the show. With how he was comically evil in the past, I thought the whole time that he was going to backstab them at the end, but then he never really does and instead goes through a lot of character development. I really liked that. Rebels still has a lot of really weak episodes especially early on, but they taper off and I'd say it's consistently pretty good by season 4.


Scion41790

No spoilers but watch Rebels and see if you agree. I don't mind her being alive per se, but they choose the most dues ex machina path to keep her alive. Truly cheapened the moment and her overall story


asylumattic

Will definitely watch it and keep that in mind. Yeah, if they used a cheap deus ex machina plot armor to keep her alive, i can understand how that would cheapen the moment and story.


DMonitor

it’s actual unironic >!time travel!<


asylumattic

Thanks for including a spoiler tag… Unlike the other response that literally spoiled it.


Threedo9

I don't think that Ahsoka should have died in order 66, but she 100% should have died in twilight of the apprentice. It was poetic, it was heart wrenching, it made sense for both characters...and then filoni created time travel BS to save her.


Wasteland_GZ

Killing off Ahsoka during order 66 would be such a waste of her character, her few interactions with Vader post 66 and even meeting Luke Skywalker which is something i never thought would happen have been gold.


ElectricOyster

> even meeting Luke Skywalker Such a waste that this happened off screen. It would have been such a powerful moment to see them meeting for the first time and basically the one thing that made keeping her alive worth it imo. But instead we get a scene after they already know each other


AmNotFunny

It could still happen in the Ahsoka show


ElectricOyster

If it does, I think a lot of the magic will be gone because it won’t be their first ever on screen interaction. But also I doubt it will happen anyway tbh. I’ve noticed a pattern with Filoni shows where they set up things to have amazing potential but waste those opportunities by delivering something mid or not delivering at all.


grassisalwayspurpler

When did they set something up and not deliver on it? Not some generic opinion thing like "they said Boba was gonna be cool then he wasnt" I mean like what specifically happened on screen to set something up later that was ignored? Like the Armorer tells Mando to go find other Mandalorians to lead him to Jedi to return the child to, then he does exactly that. They tease Boba in S1E5 saving Fennec then he does exactly that. Mando puts Grogu on the seeing stone to call for a jedi then the jedi that shows up is Luke fucking Skywalker. They tease Boba riding a Rancor then do it. They tease Obi vs Vader rematch of the century then do it. They tease Qui Gon force ghost then do it.... Those are all clear cut deliveries on what they set up. When Ahsoka says where is Thrawn you can bet your ass there will be Thrawn coming up in the Ahsoka series... The shows are pretty simple, when they say theyre going to do something they just do it. Im not sure what you are referring to when you say they just flat out dont deliver on something thry set up.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

So much like your father.


Wasteland_GZ

one of my favourite lines in Star Wars!


Vasart

Didn't she appear in the Rebels long before the last season of CW?


joesphisbestjojo

No, that was Luminara's corpse (or you may be thinking of Seventh Sister, a different Mirialan)


AlphApe

That should've been Barris imo


Timme186

Bariss wouldn’t have joined the empire as a inquisitor, She’d rather die. She’d more likely fall into Saw Gurrera’s brand of rebellion against the empire.


ienjoymen

Yep. Bariss' entire story in season 5 was about her knowing the Republic was broken beyond repair, and was attempting to draw attention to it as well as she could. She was never "evil", just desperate.


Timme186

Imagine both her and Ahsoka meeting again as Rebels. Ahsoka working for Bail, Barriss working with Saw, but with the same goal. Would they work together now that their views align? Sign me up for that story please.


urru4

Ahsoka’s character throughout TCW was well done. She should’ve died on Rebels fighting Vader imo


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

I have to sort this out on my own, without the Council… and without you.


Ankh-Morporknbeans

I have only seen the clone wars but her turning to the dark side was the only character arc for her that I saw, otherwise she was just a mini version of her master


McFly_505

In TCW she was only mini version of her master. In legends theree are three novels about her.


Maul_Bot

You know nothing of the dark side.


lemonsneeker

Good bot. Based bot.


clone_trooper_bot

"Can you die later, sir? It just isn't a good time now." -Scorch, Delta 62


JDMonster

Absolutely banger of a username you’ve got there.


ASnarkyHero

Or… Killing off Ahsoka just before RotS as a way of both explaining her absence from the film and giving Anakin another reason to be disillusioned with the Jedi Order.


WatchBat

That was Lucas's intention, but Filoni convinced him otherwise


SanctuaryMoon

That's literally the perfect way to handle her character. It makes more sense for Anakin to not want to talk about her if she was another person whose life he couldn't save.


Calvin_And_Hobbies

If anything, having Ahsoka leave the Jedi Order after feeling it betrayed her helps strengthen Anakin’s arc tremendously. Going into Revenge of the Sith, you can totally see how Palps was able to convince him that the Jedi had grown too powerful and corrupt to be trusted because, yeah, they not too long ago weren’t trusted to back-up his apprentice when she needed them. Even if it wasn’t their original intention on where to end things or where thing ultimately ended for the Clone Wars, I think that was a great way to end things for the initial run on Cartoon Network as it emotionally leads great into Revenge of the Sith.


ElysiumPotato

I don't think it would matter in regards to Ahsoka... The siege of Mandalore would most likely play out the same. What would change is Anakins path, mostly because he would be a Master, removing the final "nail in his coffin" which just might be enough


joesphisbestjojo

I still don't think they'd give him the rank Master of the Order like the other council members, which is what he really wanted Or could anyone with the Master rank, as in I was a Knight who trained a Padawan to Knighthood, access the archives


RedKorss

A Jedi Master is someone who trained a Padawan to Knighthood. So yes Anakin would then be a master


decanter

Wait, *that's* what makes you a Jedi master? Why was Anakin so angry then if he knew he didn't meet the clearcut requirements?


RedKorss

They gave him a position on the Jedi High Council. To be part of ANY council a jedi would be a master. It is fair to assume anyone granted a seat without having the rank would be given it at that point.


ElysiumPotato

He would be a Master, which would certainly soften the blow, giving Palps less of a leverage


joesphisbestjojo

I don't think he ruined Barriss. I think he enhanced her. It's even more powerful if you read Medstar and see her turn from the reality of the war and the Jedi. But I can see why people might not like it


MostlyPretentious

I think the Barriss story arc made the whole story, as canonically written, work so much better. It made the case for Order 66. If there’s an insider convinced the Jedi have lost their way but also making the case for how scary rogue Jedi are, then selling Order 66 becomes easier. Compounding that with how the Jedi treated Ahsoka and you really make a good case for the failings of the Jedi.


LineOfInquiry

Nah the Ashoka on the run arc and her leaving the order was some of the best Star Wars out there. Now her surviving her confrontation with Vader? That was BS (even though I love the world between worlds)


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Careful not to choke on your stupidity. It's Ahsoka not Ashoka!


omegariskz7

Yeah one thing I do not like about Filoni is how he makes fool of other characters to praise characters/faction he like. I mean, I would like some good non-film characters from CIS that are competent or show CIS is a threat but it often ends up in "yay republic troopers/jedi! Look how strong and cool they are" or "he is now third party dood who has his own plan and quitted CIS because they lame." Grievous is shown as incompetent general who gets outsmarted/outpowered everytime despite his "collections," and even Admiral Trench had little character arc to show his cunning strategy that troubled Republic forces into playing sitting ducks. Instead of showing how he actually did it or show his cunning aspect, we are thrown into situation that "somehow he blockaded entirity of republic forces." Perhaps including character like Durge coulda helped CIS feel like more threat, droids that are portrayed as menace like commando droids at the beginning or that kamikaze droid that bombed Coruscant, or showed Grievous getting more appreciation. Hell, may be more story arc with Trench/Kalani or more competent CIS general woulda been lovely.


Lordlolipops

This is so true


hjortronbusken

Filoni has a very hard time letting go of his favorite characters. They set up a perfect end for her in Rebels when she dueled Vader. It would have been tragic as hell and shown how far removed from his old self Vader had become at that point, yet instead they decided to use timetravel mumbo jumbo to save her.


[deleted]

Even though they literally showed her walking out of the rubble at the end lol, that entire plot line with the time travel was pointless


Redqueenhypo

I personally think Ahsoka should’ve died during Rebels. It would’ve made narrative sense. Hell, it would even mirror the Akul scene but then take a terrible turn


hgs25

I want to see Barriss again as an inquisitor. She would be in a perfect place for Palpatine to recruit her. Until then, my head canon is that she’s the 7th Sister.


Timme186

I would respectfully disagree. Barriss committed a terrorist attack against the Jedi and republic as she saw the great overreach and corruption all the way through the system. I don’t think she would be all that motivated to work with the Empire. She’d choose death before that. More likely she would end up with a more extreme group of rebels. Like Saw’s militia. A story where both she and Ahsoka have similar goals against the empire would be infinitely more interesting than handing her a red lightsaber and making her just another inquisitor.


hgs25

I use the term “recruit” loosely. The inquisitors are all captured Jedi that were brainwashed to become loyal to the Sith with only a few exceptions joining willingly, such as the Grand Inquisitor. Bariss was already full of enough hate to make her more susceptible to the dark side. So it wouldn’t take much brainwashing.


TransHumanistWriter

There is more than one path to the dark side. The empire represents control, greed, and lust for power, things Bariss never wanted - at least not as ends in themselves. Bariss is driven by righteous anger and vengeance. While certainly a path to the dark side, she's far more likely to use her powers against the empire, rather than for it.


Pedersen24

I think it would be better if Anakin killed her. It would make it so more sad.


TimeForSnacks

I'm getting sick of ahsoka


TwistGlittering3091

Mr Lucus needed people written of in the clone wars for his prequels to make sense that’s why the ‘wrong Jedi arc’ was written. But to be honest it can be seen like that lol.


_MaZ_

Lucus Lucus give me lupus


CallousCarolean

Ahsoka should have been killed by Rex during Order 66 IMHO. I’m kinda tired of the trope of ’the Jedi were almost completely wiped out during Order 66 and all nearly all clones followed it…eeeexcept for these main characters that you love, of course! Why? Because ~~plot armour~~ reasons’. It feels unoriginal. It would have been a much more tragic and honestly more poetic finale to TCW. Let me feel gut-wrenching grief, damn you!


JizzGuzzler42069

I still think Ashoka should have died during Rebels at LEAST. Having her alive and well through episode 4-6 and beyond is such a weird story decision.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Careful not to choke on your stupidity. It's Ahsoka not Ashoka!


RonaldTheClownn

"Mr Filoni what about that comic where Kanan Jarrus survives order 66 and Commander Grey sacrifices himself for him??" The following Bad Batch episode:


The-Great-Old-One

The way the fandom turned on Filoni as soon as Andor came out is so fucking sad. The man has saved Star Wars so many times and yet as soon as a new show comes out he gets dragged through the mud


Frozenfishy

Wait what? This is the first I'm hearing about Filoni hate, what are people on about?


available2tank

The only ones I've seen are people sneering down at Filoni after watching Andor cause its like "See! You don't need fanservice for a /good/ Star Wars show."


SanctuaryMoon

Which is god-damn true. Andor is yet another perfect example that *every* fan favorite character started out as a brand new character and so we don't need to rely on reusing the same ones over and over.


available2tank

It's true but at the same time you don't need to pile on the hate as Filoni did give us some really good media to consume too


SanctuaryMoon

It definitely looks like hate-piling and to an extent it probably actually is because for years it's been nothing but praise for him and everything bad was blamed on literally anyone else. Now it's like post-nut clarity where people are seeing it's not actually black and white and in true Star Wars fan fashion don't know how to properly process it.


RevaniteN7

> The man has saved Star Wars so many times Maybe to some. Jon Favreau gets more praise in my house. I know as soon as Feloni gets involved, a Star Wars property will quickly get overwhelmed by his forced-in Clone Wars characters.


[deleted]

I legit had to look up who you were even talking about. That shows you how little Barriss mattered and if they ruined Ahsoka just for that rando to get a better arc, people would be pissed.


ponder421

I feel like it was a missed opportunity to let Ahsoka survive her duel with Vader. Her survival of Order 66 shows that she is tough and resourceful; Anakin trained her well. It would be incredibly tragic if the man who trained her to survive the massacre of the Jedi was the same man that killed her. Her death at Vader's hands would make Ahsoka a martyr for the Rebellion, and it would be a new low for Vader, and make his redemption much more meaningful.


WatchBat

I am not a fan of Ahsoka, but the only time I actually felt something for her was during the Wrong Jedi arc. I liked how for the first time I felt she acted the way someone her age would've, I like that instead of just dying there, she ended up leaving the order. The point of making her Anakin's padawan in the first place was to add to his fear of loss, Lucas wanted her to die to do that but I think her leaving and "abandoning" Anakin is a different but equally effective way to add to that because now a feeling of betrayal was added to the mix (tho I am not a fan of her surviving past the OT) Funny thing is, other than Ahsoka’s part, I don't like the arc at all and I think it's badly written honestly. And one of the biggest things I didn't like about that arc was Barriss. I understand she was the only other Jedi they had established some kind of friendship with Ahsoka so they didn't have another option (other than suddenly introducing another friend I guess), that doesn't mean it was good anyway. Especially when compared to her Legends story, and I can't ignore how Barriss was pretty much Muslim coded. Even without comparing to Legends, her "fall" came out of nowhere and just felt forced for just for the plot to work


JacksonG98

Agreed! I get that she was the only peer ahsoka had (on screen). But having a girl who wears a head covering kill civilians with a bomb???? Yikes.


TheawesomeQ

One more of these posts and I'm unsubbing.


longdongopinionwrong

Same. The whole community worshipped him for the last like 12 years, and in one week everyone’s decided Star Wars is bad again and it’s all his fault. I wish we could just get along and watch the shows we like.


HpddenHydnosis

People are just realizing that he didnt exactly do everything perfectly. I guess on this subreddit it must be tonal whiplash going from everyone worshiping him as the saviour of starwars to acknowledging that he has made some bad choices. I've seen over the past few months this topic spread from the EU subreddit and I gotta admit I agree with them. Starwars fans will never get along.


SanctuaryMoon

So a few valid criticisms makes him bad? Maybe he just has strengths *and* weaknesses in his writing and always has, but he's enjoyed riding on a wave of fan worship that exaggerated his contributions and downplayed his mistakes, and people are now recognizing that other writers can contribute as much as him or more and so the standard is being raised.