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"But officer, it's an 89 Geo Metro. I'm not part of no street race. I'm just going to 7Eleven for a Slurpee."
"I've seen you on YouTube. It's electric and does 0 to 60 in 1.79 seconds. And now we're crushing it into a cube."
Edit: [Inspired by this thing.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04brmZDWHJ4)
One of my first cars was a Geo Metro. 91 if I remember. Im a 6 foot 4 guy so it was a clown show anytime I got in or out of that car. $20 in gas would get you through a whole month. Man do I miss that car....
Remember when that City called a bunch of warrant holders and told them they won superbowl tickets from a radio station, then arrested them when they showed up to get their tickets. Hilarious.
I tried to switch insurance carriers but ran into issues for my Hyundai Tucson because of these fools. I have push button start and some insurance companies refuse to even offer a quote.
Most likely, they are just gonna get a fine and have to get the car out of impound. You can bet they thoroughly searched them all for weapons and narcotics to stack on more charges, though. Don't know how it is in NY, but in VA, if you have your junior license (under 18), certain traffic violations can cause you to lose your license until your 18.
Hard to tell from the very short video, but if they did "just show up" they seem to have "just showed up" on the wrong side of the road, so there is that.
But what I don't get is that it appears to be a normal road in the city. Surely *some* of the cars there had to just happen to be people driving by. How do the police determine just from looking which cars are "there for the show" and which cars are just there by coincidence? And is it illegal to just show up someplace?
I'm not at all defending the people who do these stupid street takeovers. It's massively dangerous, selfish, and irresponsible. I'm just wondering what the police are actually doing and how far they're planning on going here. Can't tell much based on the short video.
Edit: Someone else suggested the police are running tags and responding based on something they see there. That would make sense.
> I'm just wondering what the police are actually doing and how far they're planning on going here.
You think police care that much? They just set up the sting and arrest everyone that shows up. Figuring out guilt is the job of the court, they're just there to arrest and hurt people.
> Someone else suggested the police are running tags and responding based on something they see there. That would make sense.
Missing, fake temps, or stolen plates, on a souped up car within a block of this? That's an impounding for sure.
What’s actually happening is the he majority of the cars the participate in such evens have fake plates or are stolen or both.
Basically you wait for them to show up and run the tags.
You could go to town on pretty much any car. No front plate, illegal tint, improper bumper height, obstructions on windshield, shitty spoiler, exhaust, etc, etc, etc
I don't think that the point. Yea. Sure the judge tosses it all out. But now maybe some of the participants will think twice knowing the cops are doing fake ones as well.
I do believe that arresting people without cause is a violation of their rights in the US. It's written down somewhere.
I don't know what happened here, maybe they saw this guy do something. It seems very unlikely given they're just sitting a stop light with other cars in from of them.
But hey throw the book at em if you find a little weed on an illegal search. Won't be the first or last.
>I don't know what happened here, maybe they saw this guy do something
Agree with your whole comment but I do want to point out the guy is on the wrong side of the road so he definitely did *something* lol
I don't mean weed, I mean felony warrants, guns and fentanyl lol. And like you said it may be an illegal stop, and they may not have had license plates or something, we don't know. All I know is that sideshows are dangerous to people and bad for communities so if cops can find a legal way to put a stop to them I'm all for it.
You might, but the cops do mean weed (varies by State).
No argument from me about the types of people. It's still not good to allow random stops and bs reasons to "check", "search", "assualt", what have you. Not that I'd personally be mad if they stopped those people, but the law is the law so that it can't falsely or inappropraitely happen to the majority of people that shouldn't have to be harrassed.
This is one of the points the ACAB crowd is missing. Oftentimes, these "meet ups" are violent. If you are simply an innocent driver and stumble into one of these events you will get attacked and of course a lot of these cars are stolen.
Not to mention shutting down a whole public street to do stupid shit. I hope they throw the book at em, these aren't just car enthusiasts.
Because the slogan is not in line with the actual position held by what I assume is the majority thought that the system is broken and it leads to many injustices. And while yes, there are absolutely terrible people put in positions of power who abuse it, calling out the people and not the system is what the slogan accomplishes.
If a movement for clean energy used the slogan "All Drivers Kill the Planet" the average person will assume their issue is with drivers, not the laws and practices in place to help the fossil fuel industries make money and how they have made public transit harder or trains harder and harder to operate.
Basically, not everyone is so online that they know the meaning behind the slogan past what the slogan literally says.
Idk why you're downvoted lol. You make an incredibly important point. In addition, ACAB is a bad slogan because it's especially easy for opposition to speak negatively of it to their audience. It's easy to trivialize and demonize the entire movement to an audience already primed to hate the ideals behind it.
I hope people will learn to think very carefully about how bad faith actors manipulate slogans or ideas to fit their narrative. That's the reality we live in.
We dont need law enforcement, we need *civil protection*, who has a duty to protecting the population. Law enforcement has no duty to do this. The law is not moral, ethical, or even *just*, its codified power and little else.
> This is one of the points the ACAB crowd is missing.
actually most ACAB people simply want police reform, they want accountability, and they want the bad apples weeded out.
They don't actually want "no police" that's just what fox news tells you.
The issue is the slogan. For a lot of people that’s literally it, they can’t get past the ‘every single last cop is a bastard’ bit. Many of them probably know cops who are perfectly decent people let down by a bad system and therefore feel the slogan puts too much blame on the individuals and not the system they were saddled with.
Cops who turn a blind eye to other officers are just as guilty. Even if that cop never breaks any laws, he's still shitty for not speaking out on the bullshit that bad cops do.
Lol there are mad nypd officers at the meets that run their own private cars. I can’t tell you how many IG live videos I’ve watched with off-duty officers even flashing their own badges.
If the government just allowed a few drag strips near queens/BK so these kids can get it out their system without hurting others, it’d be a better use of public funds.
> This is one of the points the ACAB crowd is missing.
ACAB means if you are a cop, you know you work with bastards. 'Good' Cops do not have enough power to fight the bastards, so they make them allies, thus becoming bastards themselves by not doing anything about the problem.
It doesn't mean "we as a community are perfectly capable of policing everything". It means the system is broken and the people are at worst corrupt and at best complicit with corruption.
Imagine needing to rush to the hospital and you get stuck in the middle of one of these. You tell them to move and next thing you know you're yanked out of your car, shot, and car jacked.
More likely to be murdered in Mississippi, highest homicide per capita in the country.
Carjacking is Colorado, while new York is in the bottom 10.
I know, in sure the taking heads on the news have made it seem like the end of the world but they need ratings. Anything your actually concerned about, look up how common it is.
Another example is Trans folks, less than 2 percent of the population but damn near 50 %of the new coverage. They want the reaction your giving so that you keep coming back to them to solve this "problem no one is talking about"
theyre probably detaining everyone so they can check to see if the cars are stolen. This happened in NOLA awhile back.
Huge impromptu car meet, loud af. Speeding up and down the roads, music high as hell. Hour later, 20 cop cars, road blocked in. Cops are talking to everyone.
You can be detained while they investigate a crime. You can be charged for stolen vehicles, expired registration, plates, open drinks, etc.
Many have stolen cars. People that participate are likely very stupid and have warrants already. Some are probably excited to be stupid and start breaking traffic laws before they get there.
Yeah, that's just weird. Isn't it generally at least required by *policy* to identify themselves as the police? I wouldn't be surprised if it's perfectly legal though, given previous patterns.
Cops host a fake car meet up where typically a bunch of losers with loud vehicles meet up with a complete disregard for the safety of themselves and others and race, do donuts in the middle of the road etc. Morons show up to fake event and are arrested. Good riddance, hope they impound every single one of those cars and fine the fuck out of the owners. 2 years ago I lost a friend who died on his way home from work when 2 cars street racing lost blew threw an intersection, t boning him and killing instantly.
It could fuck the person's life up. Bond + tow + storage + you lost your job because you were in jail + you lost your apartment + all of your possessions went to the dump.
Even if the charge doesn't stick, the next time they happen to also be caught near another one of these, it makes it easier to prosecute since they're much less likely to just randomly be at two than just the one.
Eh mere solicitation to commit a crime isn’t inducement - which is required for entrapment. There has to be some coercion or persuasion such that the entrapped person felt obligated or forced to break the law as a result of the setup.
I don’t think offering money would be entrapment.
I’m completely spitballing here but I could see where it might be enough depending on the weight of the crime.
If you’re on the verge of starvation and someone offers you $10k to jaywalk, then I feel like that’s acceptable.
If you’re living paycheck to paycheck but mostly stable and someone offers you $1 to murder a family, maybe not.
I’m no lawyer, but I think only providing the opportunity for people to commit crimes does not count as entrapment. If they somehow convinced them to commit crimes that’d be different, but these people showed up freely
The black car seems to be on the wrong side of the street, maybe to block traffic which would be a crime. The camers car doesn’t seem to be doing anything apparent though
Not really.
The "Illustrated Guide to Law" has a [good section on entrapment](https://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=633) and goes into a lot of detail in an easy to digest format of what is and is not entrapment. (You'll need to read quite a few pages to get through the entrapment section, but it's a comic -- each page is very quick.)
No entrapment, in very simplified terms, requires that there was some coercive/persuasive element to the sting; "please sell me some of your prescription pills my mom has run out and is in a lot of pain" is one example. The cops can give you completely optional chances to commit crimes all day long, that's like every drug or prostitution sting with undercover officers.
Based on the title and what I'm seeing In the video, this is infact, not good.
If someone has evidence they were like taking over an intersection or something sure, but it looks like cops storming some cars that are just sitting still
Really weird little snippet.
Hard to make any sort of concrete judgment without more footage or info
Reddit is such a funny place. It’s all acab and then someone posts a video of some concerning police work but we’re celebrating it because Redditors just hate sideshows more.
Go to any sideshow video and there’s comments calling for public executions…
*We are the Reddit. Existence, as you know it, is over. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile.*
Not everything is black and white. Most people that say ACAB still agrees that cops do have a very important purpose. But the way that our police are structured makes it so that there is rampant abuse with little oversight. Which makes the idea of being a "good cop" impossible if you have to constantly ignore the stuff the bad cops do, thus ACAB.
I still like seeing cops do the job they're suppose to do.
you basically just raised your hand and announced "i don't understand nuance. my mind can only deal in the most simple black-and-white terms". i urge you to think and reflect
for me it's context. I would never talk to cops because ACAB. I don't trust them. But If my neighbor is getting murdered and a cop is running up to stop the crime Im not gonna get in their way to scream "fuck you cop, ACAB".
if I see some cops doing something useful with my tax money they already took, at least I can respect that my money went to somethign useful. it doesnt change my opinion of them. I'm not going to start interacting with them.
People having different opinions is hardly special to Reddit. LOL
I am sure if you look hard enough there is someone somewhere asking for the execution of people involved in any particular illegal activity. A lot of people say stupid things but these sideshows are a real huge problem.
> but it looks like cops storming some cars that are just sitting still
Sitting at a red light behind several other cars nonetheless. Anyone saying good over this is laughable when those guys recording could easily have nothing to do with any of that.
If these drivers keep their mouths shut, proving they were going to participate in a sideshow and not just driving down the road is going to be extremely difficult.
Personally, I think this is better for cops to be doing than pulling people over for bs reasons, or just chilling on their phones while the crime rates and violent crimes, including crimes on the roads, continue to escalate.
I don't know too many places that have a median splitting lanes going the same direction. It is probably very easy to see who is attempting to block the intersection when they are opposing traffic.
My guess would be they are trying to check them to see if it's drivers they have been looking for who have evaded previously. I'm not sure how they can do that either though when they haven't actually done anything but still my guess
A lot of the cars at those events are stolen, this is an easy way to check all their licenses and insurance and proof of ownership
And if they're not ok than they can easily put the cuffs on them
As far as I’m aware, you can’t be prosecuted because you might have committed a crime. Unless these individuals actually broke a law, attending a side show is not illegal in and of itself, to my knowledge.
Personally, I hate sideshows, can hear them while I’m trying to sleep from miles away, but also know that simply attending one isn’t illegal. Not everyone goes there to drive like an idiot or commit crimes. Some people just want to show off their wheels and see other peoples’ wheels.
That said, what would they charge these people with if they have not engaged in illegal activity and are simply guilty of being *at* a sideshow.
I fucking knew it man. In a lot of other posts about these “takeovers,” a lot of people have been complaining because police haven’t done anything to stop it, are completely useless, etc. The answer is, in short, safety measures. That they were most likely investigating or already planning a way to crackdown without putting people at risk. And wow! That’s exactly what they were doing and this is a video of it. Now people are already complaining about this approach and questioning if there was any wrongdoing. Cops can’t do anything right for these jackasses.
Turn the car off? Ok. Give me your keys???
How is this lawful in any way? When you are not committing at crime at the time of what appears to be an invasion.
I need a big brain to explain this.
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Imagine being that one person who was simply on their way to Taco Bell…
Tell that to the judge, Gladis!
"Your Honor... My client is OLD."
Why does she have a 97 NSX with Ludacris bumpin
I Got Crohn's I got Crohn's, In different area codes
This was way funnier than it should have been.
People bring NSXes to these things? I thought it was mostly base model Chargers and such. I'm Dutch and I've never even seen an NSX in real life.
I was just imagining Gladis in a Fast and Furious movie
Fair enough
“Your honor, Gladis was not simply headed to Taco Bell running 20lbs of boost and led underglow, her age is no excuse”
"But officer, it's an 89 Geo Metro. I'm not part of no street race. I'm just going to 7Eleven for a Slurpee." "I've seen you on YouTube. It's electric and does 0 to 60 in 1.79 seconds. And now we're crushing it into a cube." Edit: [Inspired by this thing.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04brmZDWHJ4)
I live next to a guy with a stock, old, geo metro. He’s an old timer security guard I think. Imho I think it’s like a classic car at this point
One of my first cars was a Geo Metro. 91 if I remember. Im a 6 foot 4 guy so it was a clown show anytime I got in or out of that car. $20 in gas would get you through a whole month. Man do I miss that car....
Imagine being a drunk uber passenger just trying to get home and waking up to guns and flashlights in your face.
https://i.redd.it/c7tl771cxqxc1.gif
That would be me. I’m the only person who holds Taco Bell to their late night policy in slow areas on slow nights
Remember when that City called a bunch of warrant holders and told them they won superbowl tickets from a radio station, then arrested them when they showed up to get their tickets. Hilarious.
I think it was Philly.
DC https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flagship
My hometown in Texas did this but told them they won DVD players lol.
TruTV needs to bring back Bait Car
Start with the Kia boys
I tried to switch insurance carriers but ran into issues for my Hyundai Tucson because of these fools. I have push button start and some insurance companies refuse to even offer a quote.
I miss classics like that, Cheaters, To Catch a Predator and other entrapment shows.
Cheaters is still on during the weekend, I still watch it.
Most legendary episode, clown construction zone.
Some of the shows took a hit after the 2020 riots because they didn't want to be seen as racist lol
I loved those! And the bait bikes
PENETRATION
Go away, I’m baitin'
Ow my balls
Great, now I'm craving a hamburger from ButtFuckers.
Welcome to Costco, i love you
Carl's Junior. Fuck you. I'm eating.
I'm all for stopping this idiocy, but what's the charge? Being on a street with a car?
Most likely, they are just gonna get a fine and have to get the car out of impound. You can bet they thoroughly searched them all for weapons and narcotics to stack on more charges, though. Don't know how it is in NY, but in VA, if you have your junior license (under 18), certain traffic violations can cause you to lose your license until your 18.
Yea, but what's the charge?
For eating a meal? A succulent Choinese meal?
Looks like he was going the wrong way down the street so they could hit them with reckless driving.
Yep! I think you're right, and thanks for answering my question :)
That was a fun show watching how stupid some of those people were. Some even knew they were in a bait car, but still stole it anyway.
dude driving around with the door open and everyone yelling at him it was a bait car, shit was pretty funny.
How about that methed up lunatic… “BAIIT CAAAR BAAAAIT CAAAR BAIIT CAAAR BAAAAIT CAAAR” …as he jumped around in his seat while speeding off.
Yoooo that episode was legend!
"I hope this ain't no bait car"
Bait car NYPD Editon. 10/10 would watch
I used to work on this show sorting footage, it’s sad how predatory it was.
Would you settle for Bait bus?
I love the random clips of good Samaritans who would just turn off the car and look around for the owner.
Did these people actually participate in a fake car sideshow or did they just show up?
Hard to tell from the very short video, but if they did "just show up" they seem to have "just showed up" on the wrong side of the road, so there is that.
But what I don't get is that it appears to be a normal road in the city. Surely *some* of the cars there had to just happen to be people driving by. How do the police determine just from looking which cars are "there for the show" and which cars are just there by coincidence? And is it illegal to just show up someplace? I'm not at all defending the people who do these stupid street takeovers. It's massively dangerous, selfish, and irresponsible. I'm just wondering what the police are actually doing and how far they're planning on going here. Can't tell much based on the short video. Edit: Someone else suggested the police are running tags and responding based on something they see there. That would make sense.
> I'm just wondering what the police are actually doing and how far they're planning on going here. You think police care that much? They just set up the sting and arrest everyone that shows up. Figuring out guilt is the job of the court, they're just there to arrest and hurt people.
Yeah, for sure. I'm sure the police don't really care as long as they know they can get away with it and it feels justice-y to them when they do it.
> Someone else suggested the police are running tags and responding based on something they see there. That would make sense. Missing, fake temps, or stolen plates, on a souped up car within a block of this? That's an impounding for sure.
What’s actually happening is the he majority of the cars the participate in such evens have fake plates or are stolen or both. Basically you wait for them to show up and run the tags.
You could go to town on pretty much any car. No front plate, illegal tint, improper bumper height, obstructions on windshield, shitty spoiler, exhaust, etc, etc, etc
I don't think that the point. Yea. Sure the judge tosses it all out. But now maybe some of the participants will think twice knowing the cops are doing fake ones as well.
Plus it's probably pretty likely that the people who show up to this kinda shit are up to other illegal things beyond the meetup itself.
I do believe that arresting people without cause is a violation of their rights in the US. It's written down somewhere. I don't know what happened here, maybe they saw this guy do something. It seems very unlikely given they're just sitting a stop light with other cars in from of them. But hey throw the book at em if you find a little weed on an illegal search. Won't be the first or last.
shocking the comment above you has as many upvotes as it does. Know your rights people!!! The 4th amendment is pretty fucking important.
>I don't know what happened here, maybe they saw this guy do something Agree with your whole comment but I do want to point out the guy is on the wrong side of the road so he definitely did *something* lol
I'm talking about the guy filming. He starts getting orders shouted at him.
They probably saw him filming which is the quickest way to get cops mad at you.
Rights don’t protect you from cops, they protect you in court. Cops can do whatever they want in the meantime
Ask Ryan Whitaker how his second amendment right is working out for him. You can't, police murdered him for holding a gun in his own home.
I don't mean weed, I mean felony warrants, guns and fentanyl lol. And like you said it may be an illegal stop, and they may not have had license plates or something, we don't know. All I know is that sideshows are dangerous to people and bad for communities so if cops can find a legal way to put a stop to them I'm all for it.
You might, but the cops do mean weed (varies by State). No argument from me about the types of people. It's still not good to allow random stops and bs reasons to "check", "search", "assualt", what have you. Not that I'd personally be mad if they stopped those people, but the law is the law so that it can't falsely or inappropraitely happen to the majority of people that shouldn't have to be harrassed.
Like taking care of their [FAMILY](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/O3Tij2seTjI/hqdefault.jpg) probably.
probably maybe doing illegal stuff isnt grounds for mass arrests of a particular location.
Profiling a little
Yep!
I dunno how it is in NY, but in Colorado "spectating" is a crime itself. I bet NY has something similar that will stick, assuming they can prove it.
Close your eyes while behind the wheel. What can go wrong lol I'm really wondering what they can make stick just being there
What is a car sideshow?
I wonder how many stolen cars were recovered.
I mean, we and the cops are only speculating.
This is one of the points the ACAB crowd is missing. Oftentimes, these "meet ups" are violent. If you are simply an innocent driver and stumble into one of these events you will get attacked and of course a lot of these cars are stolen. Not to mention shutting down a whole public street to do stupid shit. I hope they throw the book at em, these aren't just car enthusiasts.
I mean most cops are assholes but law enforcement is still needed, the system is broken. If it was overhauled maybe we won’t say ACAB
I don't understand how people STILL don't understand this lol
Because the slogan is not in line with the actual position held by what I assume is the majority thought that the system is broken and it leads to many injustices. And while yes, there are absolutely terrible people put in positions of power who abuse it, calling out the people and not the system is what the slogan accomplishes. If a movement for clean energy used the slogan "All Drivers Kill the Planet" the average person will assume their issue is with drivers, not the laws and practices in place to help the fossil fuel industries make money and how they have made public transit harder or trains harder and harder to operate. Basically, not everyone is so online that they know the meaning behind the slogan past what the slogan literally says.
Idk why you're downvoted lol. You make an incredibly important point. In addition, ACAB is a bad slogan because it's especially easy for opposition to speak negatively of it to their audience. It's easy to trivialize and demonize the entire movement to an audience already primed to hate the ideals behind it. I hope people will learn to think very carefully about how bad faith actors manipulate slogans or ideas to fit their narrative. That's the reality we live in.
We dont need law enforcement, we need *civil protection*, who has a duty to protecting the population. Law enforcement has no duty to do this. The law is not moral, ethical, or even *just*, its codified power and little else.
> This is one of the points the ACAB crowd is missing. actually most ACAB people simply want police reform, they want accountability, and they want the bad apples weeded out. They don't actually want "no police" that's just what fox news tells you.
The issue is the slogan. For a lot of people that’s literally it, they can’t get past the ‘every single last cop is a bastard’ bit. Many of them probably know cops who are perfectly decent people let down by a bad system and therefore feel the slogan puts too much blame on the individuals and not the system they were saddled with.
Cops who turn a blind eye to other officers are just as guilty. Even if that cop never breaks any laws, he's still shitty for not speaking out on the bullshit that bad cops do.
Why do you bring acab in to this? You realise people who say acab don't necessarily want anarchy right?
Lol there are mad nypd officers at the meets that run their own private cars. I can’t tell you how many IG live videos I’ve watched with off-duty officers even flashing their own badges. If the government just allowed a few drag strips near queens/BK so these kids can get it out their system without hurting others, it’d be a better use of public funds.
> This is one of the points the ACAB crowd is missing. ACAB means if you are a cop, you know you work with bastards. 'Good' Cops do not have enough power to fight the bastards, so they make them allies, thus becoming bastards themselves by not doing anything about the problem. It doesn't mean "we as a community are perfectly capable of policing everything". It means the system is broken and the people are at worst corrupt and at best complicit with corruption.
Imagine needing to rush to the hospital and you get stuck in the middle of one of these. You tell them to move and next thing you know you're yanked out of your car, shot, and car jacked.
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More likely to be murdered in Mississippi, highest homicide per capita in the country. Carjacking is Colorado, while new York is in the bottom 10. I know, in sure the taking heads on the news have made it seem like the end of the world but they need ratings. Anything your actually concerned about, look up how common it is. Another example is Trans folks, less than 2 percent of the population but damn near 50 %of the new coverage. They want the reaction your giving so that you keep coming back to them to solve this "problem no one is talking about"
Wut? How many violent meet ups have you been to?
I’m confused as to what they are going to charge these people with.
theyre probably detaining everyone so they can check to see if the cars are stolen. This happened in NOLA awhile back. Huge impromptu car meet, loud af. Speeding up and down the roads, music high as hell. Hour later, 20 cop cars, road blocked in. Cops are talking to everyone. You can be detained while they investigate a crime. You can be charged for stolen vehicles, expired registration, plates, open drinks, etc.
Many have stolen cars. People that participate are likely very stupid and have warrants already. Some are probably excited to be stupid and start breaking traffic laws before they get there.
If you close your eyes it sounds like somebody getting mugged
Even with your eyes open. Why wouldn't a gang use fake police uniforms?
You talk as if most police departments arent organized gangs anyway
1 same reason gangs do not dress up in rival gang colors. Quick way to be hunted down and made an example of
They do that here in Rio...
Yeah, that's just weird. Isn't it generally at least required by *policy* to identify themselves as the police? I wouldn't be surprised if it's perfectly legal though, given previous patterns.
Takeover =/= car show or meet
Idk what's happening here.
Cops host a fake car meet up where typically a bunch of losers with loud vehicles meet up with a complete disregard for the safety of themselves and others and race, do donuts in the middle of the road etc. Morons show up to fake event and are arrested. Good riddance, hope they impound every single one of those cars and fine the fuck out of the owners. 2 years ago I lost a friend who died on his way home from work when 2 cars street racing lost blew threw an intersection, t boning him and killing instantly.
I underatand driving like an idiot, but whats illegal about just showing up?
They’re not legal events, at least where I’m from.
“This is just the way I take to get to my friends house.”
Imagine you are just passing by and had no idea about the sideshow at all.
What if some law abiding person is just driving along in a sporty car?
I doubt they could get a charge to stick seeing that said person wasn't doing anything illegal. It would just fuck up that person's evening.
It could fuck the person's life up. Bond + tow + storage + you lost your job because you were in jail + you lost your apartment + all of your possessions went to the dump.
Even if the charge doesn't stick, the next time they happen to also be caught near another one of these, it makes it easier to prosecute since they're much less likely to just randomly be at two than just the one.
I dont think this is NY
Lmao nice. I approve.
Bout time these idiots get caught
Nothing more annoying than a loud car noise polluting the neighborhood.
Asking because I'm ignorant: isn't this entrapment with extra steps?
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Right. This is more honeypot than entrapment
Eh mere solicitation to commit a crime isn’t inducement - which is required for entrapment. There has to be some coercion or persuasion such that the entrapped person felt obligated or forced to break the law as a result of the setup. I don’t think offering money would be entrapment.
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I’m completely spitballing here but I could see where it might be enough depending on the weight of the crime. If you’re on the verge of starvation and someone offers you $10k to jaywalk, then I feel like that’s acceptable. If you’re living paycheck to paycheck but mostly stable and someone offers you $1 to murder a family, maybe not.
Gotcha. Appreciate the clarification.
I’m no lawyer, but I think only providing the opportunity for people to commit crimes does not count as entrapment. If they somehow convinced them to commit crimes that’d be different, but these people showed up freely
I dont see any crime committed though. Not everyone participates in these things. Dont most just watch?
The black car seems to be on the wrong side of the street, maybe to block traffic which would be a crime. The camers car doesn’t seem to be doing anything apparent though
Not really. The "Illustrated Guide to Law" has a [good section on entrapment](https://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=633) and goes into a lot of detail in an easy to digest format of what is and is not entrapment. (You'll need to read quite a few pages to get through the entrapment section, but it's a comic -- each page is very quick.)
No entrapment, in very simplified terms, requires that there was some coercive/persuasive element to the sting; "please sell me some of your prescription pills my mom has run out and is in a lot of pain" is one example. The cops can give you completely optional chances to commit crimes all day long, that's like every drug or prostitution sting with undercover officers.
I was just about to ask this
Good
Based on the title and what I'm seeing In the video, this is infact, not good. If someone has evidence they were like taking over an intersection or something sure, but it looks like cops storming some cars that are just sitting still Really weird little snippet. Hard to make any sort of concrete judgment without more footage or info
Reddit is such a funny place. It’s all acab and then someone posts a video of some concerning police work but we’re celebrating it because Redditors just hate sideshows more. Go to any sideshow video and there’s comments calling for public executions…
Damn it's almost like Reddit is made up of individuals with different opinions rather than a single hive mind.
*We are the Reddit. Existence, as you know it, is over. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile.*
As long as you have sexy Picard I’m in.
I love how he explains it perfectly but can't connect the dots. *" Wait a minute different people have different opinions?!?"*
And if you show up to a thread a few hours late, the only thing you'll get for disagreeing is -6.
Hey whose side are we on here? Someone let me know please.
Good thing Reddit isn’t one person.
I kinda see it as a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" sort of thing lol
Not everything is black and white. Most people that say ACAB still agrees that cops do have a very important purpose. But the way that our police are structured makes it so that there is rampant abuse with little oversight. Which makes the idea of being a "good cop" impossible if you have to constantly ignore the stuff the bad cops do, thus ACAB. I still like seeing cops do the job they're suppose to do.
you basically just raised your hand and announced "i don't understand nuance. my mind can only deal in the most simple black-and-white terms". i urge you to think and reflect
for me it's context. I would never talk to cops because ACAB. I don't trust them. But If my neighbor is getting murdered and a cop is running up to stop the crime Im not gonna get in their way to scream "fuck you cop, ACAB". if I see some cops doing something useful with my tax money they already took, at least I can respect that my money went to somethign useful. it doesnt change my opinion of them. I'm not going to start interacting with them.
Right but what if it's not murder and is instead just some guy sitting at a stop light?
How do we know he wasn't on his way to murder???
People having different opinions is hardly special to Reddit. LOL I am sure if you look hard enough there is someone somewhere asking for the execution of people involved in any particular illegal activity. A lot of people say stupid things but these sideshows are a real huge problem.
> but it looks like cops storming some cars that are just sitting still Sitting at a red light behind several other cars nonetheless. Anyone saying good over this is laughable when those guys recording could easily have nothing to do with any of that.
Chances are these idiots are in plenty of other videos that the cops have. I'm guessing it's enough to have their cars seized
Yeah the execution should have been better. They should’ve waited until the takeover actually began instead of trying to do some Minority Report crap.
How would you know how long its been going on for from this video?
The guy making the video just looks to be sitting in traffic, so yeah. We need context
If these drivers keep their mouths shut, proving they were going to participate in a sideshow and not just driving down the road is going to be extremely difficult.
Personally, I think this is better for cops to be doing than pulling people over for bs reasons, or just chilling on their phones while the crime rates and violent crimes, including crimes on the roads, continue to escalate.
What did they do that was illegal though?
I don't know too many places that have a median splitting lanes going the same direction. It is probably very easy to see who is attempting to block the intersection when they are opposing traffic.
Looks like they were driving the wrong way down a road unless it's 2 split one ways
My guess would be they are trying to check them to see if it's drivers they have been looking for who have evaded previously. I'm not sure how they can do that either though when they haven't actually done anything but still my guess
The point is to tow their cars. They know charges wont stick because they havent done anything yet.
A lot of the cars at those events are stolen, this is an easy way to check all their licenses and insurance and proof of ownership And if they're not ok than they can easily put the cuffs on them
How is this legal?
GOOD. its fuck all these people at these meetups after that video circulated where they started beating on some old man. smfh
Good. Fuck street takeovers.
Where is the fast and furious family ! Someone call DOM
If they would have all took off .. GGs
What is a "car sideshow" and why is participating illegal?
I think it’s where they block off the street and then do a bunch of stupid shit in their cars.
Kudos to the NYPD
What do you even charge people for here if they were showing up to a fake car event? You’re arrested for driving
As far as I’m aware, you can’t be prosecuted because you might have committed a crime. Unless these individuals actually broke a law, attending a side show is not illegal in and of itself, to my knowledge. Personally, I hate sideshows, can hear them while I’m trying to sleep from miles away, but also know that simply attending one isn’t illegal. Not everyone goes there to drive like an idiot or commit crimes. Some people just want to show off their wheels and see other peoples’ wheels. That said, what would they charge these people with if they have not engaged in illegal activity and are simply guilty of being *at* a sideshow.
Lmfao
Well done now every state should follow A+
LMAOOO
I don’t understand what’s going on here
The cars fitted with spoon engines
What happens if you just happened to be driving through the area? You just have your life ruined?
I’m all for that
So what crime have they committed just showing up?
Good. These sideshows are ridiculous.
Noice
That's fucking awesome! Pay attention Oakland/San Francisco/ Los Angeles!
I don't get how this doesn't qualify as entrapment
So far my favorite video today
How the hell do you prove they were there for that?
Good.
I fucking knew it man. In a lot of other posts about these “takeovers,” a lot of people have been complaining because police haven’t done anything to stop it, are completely useless, etc. The answer is, in short, safety measures. That they were most likely investigating or already planning a way to crackdown without putting people at risk. And wow! That’s exactly what they were doing and this is a video of it. Now people are already complaining about this approach and questioning if there was any wrongdoing. Cops can’t do anything right for these jackasses.
I'd bet anything that comes from this gets thrown out in court for entrapment or insufficient evidence
Turn the car off? Ok. Give me your keys??? How is this lawful in any way? When you are not committing at crime at the time of what appears to be an invasion. I need a big brain to explain this.
😂😂😂 good