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they have been blocking access since the beginning as if their goal was to deliberately disrupt campus traffic. yes they’ve been there for a week and now agitators are showing up to fight them but it hasn’t been constant.
You mean the pro-Palestinian people are saying it may sometimes be necessary to restrict people’s movements to protect attacks? What are they protesting exactly?
He's not an anthropologist, he's using the title as cover. You wanna know why?
Informed consent.
"Anthropologists need to ask permission to conduct research on people. Each person needs to give informed consent. This means that the person understands what research is being done, and how and why, and they voluntarily agree to take part."
These protesters aren't consenting to being apart of his "research".
He's absolutely allowed to record legally, but don't try and lie that your an anthropologist to make yourself seem innocent and "just doing research".
Another rule of anthropology is - be open and honest.
He's a liar. Plain and simple.
You don't need "informed consent" to document something happening on public property in a public fashion. Most states have a single party rule to consent in recording while in public.
LOL that's literally my point. Are you that dense? I was saying the same thing .There's absolutely nothing protecting privacy in this setting. Don't be so dense you strike out against people who agree.
I'm saying you didn't bother to read the post you replied to. The poster explicitly notes that recording the protesters is legal.
Somehow I doubt that was literally your point.
You know very well you are wasting your life making bad faith internet arguments, just as you know the guy shouting "fuck you" and lying that he's "anthropologist here to study people" to the people that don't want to get doxxed is deliberately acting in bad faith.
Except it's not a bad faith argument. you're in public on public territory. Nothiung about this protest facilitates a right to privacy lmao.
For what it's worth I agree with freeing palestine. That's the funniest part, you don't recognize that I'm on the side of the protestors, but I believe in the sanctity of journalism. If you are protesting in public, you DO NOT have a right to privacy when you do it in public spaces.
Protest is literally only helpful if it's legal to cover it.
You know fucking well that conservative media has attempted to dox these people, which is why they are wearing masks.
You know fucking well that walking into a protest group fearful of being doxed at 3 in the morning and saying "fuck you" to a request to not record them is going to set off red flags.
You know fucking well "well imma gonna go thata way!" through a protest group at 3 in the morning is so blatantly bad faith that:
You know fucking well that you are wasting your life in an internet comment section as a bad faith troll "but but public territory". What a joke.
IT IS NOT BEING DOXXED IF YOU ARE PROTESTING PUBLICLY ON PULIC PROPERTY. This is how journalistic integrity works. You have no legal expectation of privacy if you are protesting publically on public property. If these were nazis you'd wanna know their names. That's literally the only equivalence that can be drawn, but you cannot let your bias cloud your recognition.
You literally have no right to ask them not to record. If you do not wish your position to be publicly documented, you should not publicly protest. The same reason it's ok to document nazi's is the same reason it's ok to document anyone else, these protections leave us ALL vulernable and for good reason. YOu are not protected for protesting in favor of one cause or another, if you want to protest on PUBLIC land, you have no right to privacy in most states.
And I was pointing out that had you paid attention you would have realized that the point you were so eager to make had already been made in the post you replied to.
Correct, **you** as a regular person don't need to get consent from all parties to record in public. However, if *you* are actually an **anthropologist**, yes you do need informed consent to conduct research on a group of people. It's literally the basics of being an anthropologist.
Which is why I'm saying he isn't one. He's lying and using the title as cover to maintain some veil of innocence as "I'm just here to understand what you're doing".
No, he's here under bad faith. Be honest about it.
Right lol I guess they forgot to edit that part out.
Also, if this dude seriously was a anthropologist, he'd know one of the basic rules for conducting research on a group of people is *informed consent* which these protesters aren't giving, it's literally the first thing they said in the video lmao.
Reading comprehension is important.
I didn't say anything about the laws regarding filming in public, what I did say though was *as an anthropologist* there are very basic rules to how they conduct their research. 7 basic rules to start, and one of them is, their research group has to have given consent to be studied. Which these protesters have not. And he continues filming anyway.
While perfectly legal in the US, it goes against the basic rules and morals anthropologist follow.
Meaning, he ain't an anthropologist lmao.
You can be an anthropologist and also whilst neon an anthropologist you could film people in public documenting anything you want but no one said he was actively doing anthology. You are assuming that just based off the fact he could be an anthropologist. But the way you’re talking is if any single time an anthropologist is filming they must be doing it for anthropology research which is just not true. He could be an anthropologist doing personal press coverage not actively practicing anthropology so no he wouldn’t have to ask anyone for anything unless he specifically came their to do anthropology research which you have no basis to assume this. He simply could be an anthropologist filming himself walking up stairs in which case again he needs nothing from anyone
The guy recording clearly says, in the video, "I'm an anthropologist" "I want to document". Those are direct quotes from himself.
I know it's a 4 minute long video and people don't exactly have that long of an attention span anymore due to short form content but if you watched the video in full, you'd understand the comments I'm making, why I'm making them, and why this guy is being disingenuous.
You're being wildly obtuse here. If he's not here to document and research in his capacity as an anthropologist, then why bring it up at all? Why even mention that? Could it be to try and act like he's just doing this "just to learn" "just asking questions".
Give me a break. This doesn't exist devoid of context.
He asked no questions or anything? At one point he say he doesn’t wanna engage just get through Is he not allowed to document historical events as an anthropologist it may interest him enough to document what is happening that doesn’t mean you can just to the conclusion that he needed consent as if he was doing an anthropology study or research. There is nothing wrong with being an anthropologist and documenting a historical event. I’m not being obtuse you put out possibilities and I’m giving an alternate possibility that you don’t agree with
>Is he not allowed to document historical events as an anthropologist it may interest him enough to document what is happening
Yes, and as an anthropologist, you need to get consent from those alive you want to study.
What aren't you getting about that? If you aren't being obtuse then you're being dense. What I'm putting out isn't a "possibility" it's a **BASIC RULE** of being an anthropologist.
He can be an anthropologist by profession and that could interest him to use his 1st amendment right as a civilian to go record a historical event. That doesn’t mean he’s acting in that moment as an anthropologist. He can both exist as an anthropologist and use his rights as a civilian to record historical public events he’s interested in. What aren’t you getting about that?
His profession is being a liar.
Why else would the information of him being an anthropologist be important to say? Why even announce that? Why would that be a defense of why he's there?
**Use you're critical thinking skills.**
He's trying to be an agitator, and instigator, and to name and shame these protestors to stop what they're doing. He ain't the first to do this either. This is a known tactic.
This is what he's doing with his words and his actions. A real anthropologist wouldn't conduct themselves in such a shameful way.
Protests are literally the most public thing you can do. You're pleading with the public to get behind your cause. I've never seen this kind of "protesting" where instead of getting your opinions out you are actively shutting yourself off from others.
They're asking not to take pictures of the students bc the universities have openly stated they will be punished for being there so obviously they aren't going to want their faces out there
Right wing media types love interviewing students because they're young and not media trained. It's easy to take some sound bite out of context or edit an interview in a way that makes someone without media training to sound ill-informed, threatening or ridiculous. There's a reason that some right wing figureheads make a career out of "debating" leftist students who are 10-15 years their junior
I don't disagree but I still think it is bizarre and doesn't look good either. Everybody at a protest should be able to communicate why they're there. That's the minimum and none of that was even asked of these people. Even if the dude was trying to make people look dumb he hadn't even asked anything yet. I personally don't believe a protest should ever look like this. A protest is about self sacrifice for a cause. I have seen so little about the actual shit going on in gaza now that all these protests are happening.
Even in that case, he would be called a "living anthropologist". He's not digging up artifacts.
Dude is just a weird troll looking for likes and subscribes
They are in public and the 1st amendment exists. Even if he was a dick about it you don’t need to ask permission to record people in public areas. It’s a 1st amendment protected activity and most 1a auditors answer in a rude way on purpose usually to try and get some sort of reaction
I did agree with this being aggressive but it’s a very common response from 1st amendment auditors. They literally don’t give a fuck if you don’t wanna be recorded they would say leave public areas if you don’t wanna be seen which is what I think happened here. Not that it was polite but the point is to be rude to being “infringing” on your 1st amendment rights
Because these jumped up do-gooders think they can tell people what to do and where they can and can't go. Sometimes a little agitation is all it takes to show how ridiculous and entitled these "protesters" really are.
"This isn't time for communication," sums up the entire protesters problem. You can't truly learn and understand this complicated issue without real and honest dialogue.
He said he just wanted to walk through and document. If a pro Palestinian protester went to a pro Israel protest and just wanted to walk through and document and the situation was reversed we both know that your be siding with the person who wasn't allowed to walk through. You can be honest.
It’s understandable that you may not know this, but the organizers have rules about filming because it’s dangerous to be filmed at these protests. Police have and will use videos showing faces, clothing, and tattoos to identify and arrest/charge people afterwards.
That's a valid point, however do you think most of the people that block access are truly thinking about faces being shown leading to arrests or truly just don't want to engage.
Probably both. It’s not necessarily their job to teach the world about what’s going on or to argue with individuals about issues. The point of their protest is to apply pressure to institutions to divest from Israel and/or denounce the genocide in Gaza funded by US tax dollars.
It’s not an open house art exhibit with a lecturer and panelists or whatever. These students aren’t running a thanksgiving day parade. They are literally up against the police and Zionist agitators, risking their college degrees, future job opportunities, scholarships, housing, etc., to call out against a real and ongoing genocide.
Well bad luck for him then, but he could just walk around the protesters. Not like school had classes had work hours in the middle of the night
So who are we even kidding? He wanted to "walk through" just to try and get some engagement from people who had no interests in being part of his ploy
If you block people's freedom of movement, then you're not peacefully assembling. It's like saying protesters have a right to sit in the street and stop cars from passing.
They don't, he is perfectly free to walk around them.
And it's called civic disobedience for a reason. That this person can't force his way through a group of assembled citizens isn't something I am going to cry injustice about.
As if it isn't clear they will block him.
But you don't have a right to civil disobedience. The whole point is to do something prohibited. You spoke on the right to assemble and you are wrong. Then you mentioned civil disobedience further making it clear you are wrong.
Rights pertain to things we are all entitled to do. That is the point of them. If you support civil disobedience in this context... you can do that. But it is not about rights.
> As if it isn't clear they will block him.
No it's not at all clear. They only want him to go away, they are explicit that they should not engage him. How can you think they would block him if he just took a 50 meter detour? Would they move the entire barricade too?
>But you don't have a right to civil disobedience. The whole point is to do something prohibited. You spoke on the right to assemble and you are wrong. Then you mentioned civil disobedience further making it clear you are wrong.
You have the moral right to it, it's called freedom of conscience and is a human right, and I hope you would agree that morality and natural law is more important than civic law - or would you say that fighting against Slavery was wrong since it was a crime?
>Rights pertain to things we are all entitled to do
No, they are also rights to *not do* things, such as supporting a genocide, which is what this protest is about.
Yes, and they are protesting that their univeristy is sponsoring a genocide.
They are not blocking anyone from just walking around them. It's ridiculous to think that they would move the entire barricade like they are playing some weird version of Pong. They are more than explicit that they should not even engage him - he is the one that is confrontational
Are they? Because there's a difference between being pro Palestinian vs saying Israel as a country should not exist. And this is why communication is important. Because the issue is a lot more complicated than one side is 100% wrong and one side is 100% right. Without communication all you have are the south park rabble rabble scene.
So when Palestinians stab Israelis, shoot them, blow up hotels, buses, that is 100% right in your opinion.
This is why there really is no peace. Because you want to condemn Israel 100% and not anything Palestinians have done. I've already started Israel is not without sin. But the tactics of Palestinians trying to be less oppressed don't seem to be working. Maybe when this war is over, in a few years, Palestinians will wage another massive attack on Israel. And y'all will talk like wife beaters defending them saying, look what you made us do. Violence is not the answer to the Palestinian struggle. And the biggest barrier to peace is their refusal to accept Israel's right to exist.
Palestinians have the right under international law to engage in armed struggle against apartheid. Israel has a system of apartheid, which requires violence to enforce, which is why violence from Palestinians is inevitable.
That would at BEST be attacking the state, as in government of Israel. They 100% don’t have the right to go in an kill innocent civilians and then kidnap them and hold them hostage. Why the hell do you think the international community condemned that
because their clearly stated goal is for their institution to pull out and divest, not to debate or entertain randos. It's unproductive and takes away from the real issue. I applaud them for sticking to their goal.
What a lazy argument brother. It’s 2024 the internet is filled with information to research. At this point if you don’t know you’re just ignorant which is bliss.
What about Palestinians? Are they all good? Do tactics like teaching their children to grow up to be martyrs a good thing? To honor and have parades for ones who kill Jews a good thing? To pay their family money for life if one does kill a Jew? You think that truly helps Palestinians cause? Israel is not without sin, but Palestinians put a lot of effort into wanting to destroy Israel instead of having peace and building up a society.
Do you truly believe in your heart of hearts things wouldn't be different if suicide bombings, stabbings, other forms of indiscriminate murder by Palestinians against Israelis hasn't hurt Palestinians cause? Because if you can be truly honest, I think most people would agree that tactics like that just set back their goals.
Anthropologist follow a different set of principles and ethics when it comes to conducting their research. One of them is informed consent, which these protesters aren't giving, and he's violating that by recording anyway.
Is he legally allowed to do so under US law? Of course.
But then don't lie and call yourself an "anthropologist" when you don't even follow the bare minimum basic rules of anthropology.
Being rude is not a crime. U.S. citizens saying “fuck you” to someone is a legally protected form of freedom of speech. So is recording people while in public. U.S. citizens who want to protest by blocking someone from traveling to their destination is not legal. They should be charged with causing a public disturbance or maybe even battery. People can choose to follow the law or risk the consequences. The basic standards of our laws need to be upheld first, regardless of anyone’s political and world view.
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Completely unacceptable. Thats an anthropology professor at his place of work. Thats workplace harassment and the university should take that very seriously
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"anthropologist" lol
What the fuck is this shit?
A pro genocide agitator creating propaganda
why aren’t people allowed to pass through i don’t get it
Because there clowns
Because actual zionists keep showing up and attacking them.
they have been blocking access since the beginning as if their goal was to deliberately disrupt campus traffic. yes they’ve been there for a week and now agitators are showing up to fight them but it hasn’t been constant.
You mean the pro-Palestinian people are saying it may sometimes be necessary to restrict people’s movements to protect attacks? What are they protesting exactly?
I guess, at the end of the day, we are all just people.
Not me!
Bs
There are like 5 videos of them doing it on the front page of this exact sub right now what are y'all on about?
BS
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He's not an anthropologist, he's using the title as cover. You wanna know why? Informed consent. "Anthropologists need to ask permission to conduct research on people. Each person needs to give informed consent. This means that the person understands what research is being done, and how and why, and they voluntarily agree to take part." These protesters aren't consenting to being apart of his "research". He's absolutely allowed to record legally, but don't try and lie that your an anthropologist to make yourself seem innocent and "just doing research". Another rule of anthropology is - be open and honest. He's a liar. Plain and simple.
maybe he’s a rogue anthropologist
Or, Occam's razor: >He's a liar. Plain and simple.
You don't need "informed consent" to document something happening on public property in a public fashion. Most states have a single party rule to consent in recording while in public.
You also don't need to actually read a post before replying. There's no law against it. So carry on.
LOL that's literally my point. Are you that dense? I was saying the same thing .There's absolutely nothing protecting privacy in this setting. Don't be so dense you strike out against people who agree.
I'm saying you didn't bother to read the post you replied to. The poster explicitly notes that recording the protesters is legal. Somehow I doubt that was literally your point.
My point was that it's legal to record. They have 0 right to prvacy in this setting.
You know very well you are wasting your life making bad faith internet arguments, just as you know the guy shouting "fuck you" and lying that he's "anthropologist here to study people" to the people that don't want to get doxxed is deliberately acting in bad faith.
Except it's not a bad faith argument. you're in public on public territory. Nothiung about this protest facilitates a right to privacy lmao. For what it's worth I agree with freeing palestine. That's the funniest part, you don't recognize that I'm on the side of the protestors, but I believe in the sanctity of journalism. If you are protesting in public, you DO NOT have a right to privacy when you do it in public spaces. Protest is literally only helpful if it's legal to cover it.
You know fucking well that conservative media has attempted to dox these people, which is why they are wearing masks. You know fucking well that walking into a protest group fearful of being doxed at 3 in the morning and saying "fuck you" to a request to not record them is going to set off red flags. You know fucking well "well imma gonna go thata way!" through a protest group at 3 in the morning is so blatantly bad faith that: You know fucking well that you are wasting your life in an internet comment section as a bad faith troll "but but public territory". What a joke.
IT IS NOT BEING DOXXED IF YOU ARE PROTESTING PUBLICLY ON PULIC PROPERTY. This is how journalistic integrity works. You have no legal expectation of privacy if you are protesting publically on public property. If these were nazis you'd wanna know their names. That's literally the only equivalence that can be drawn, but you cannot let your bias cloud your recognition. You literally have no right to ask them not to record. If you do not wish your position to be publicly documented, you should not publicly protest. The same reason it's ok to document nazi's is the same reason it's ok to document anyone else, these protections leave us ALL vulernable and for good reason. YOu are not protected for protesting in favor of one cause or another, if you want to protest on PUBLIC land, you have no right to privacy in most states.
What a fuckin clownshoes response.
And I was pointing out that had you paid attention you would have realized that the point you were so eager to make had already been made in the post you replied to.
Correct, **you** as a regular person don't need to get consent from all parties to record in public. However, if *you* are actually an **anthropologist**, yes you do need informed consent to conduct research on a group of people. It's literally the basics of being an anthropologist. Which is why I'm saying he isn't one. He's lying and using the title as cover to maintain some veil of innocence as "I'm just here to understand what you're doing". No, he's here under bad faith. Be honest about it.
dudes first words are “fuck you” to being asked not to take pictures. but sure, the protesters are the problem
Right lol I guess they forgot to edit that part out. Also, if this dude seriously was a anthropologist, he'd know one of the basic rules for conducting research on a group of people is *informed consent* which these protesters aren't giving, it's literally the first thing they said in the video lmao.
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Reading comprehension is important. I didn't say anything about the laws regarding filming in public, what I did say though was *as an anthropologist* there are very basic rules to how they conduct their research. 7 basic rules to start, and one of them is, their research group has to have given consent to be studied. Which these protesters have not. And he continues filming anyway. While perfectly legal in the US, it goes against the basic rules and morals anthropologist follow. Meaning, he ain't an anthropologist lmao.
You can be an anthropologist and also whilst neon an anthropologist you could film people in public documenting anything you want but no one said he was actively doing anthology. You are assuming that just based off the fact he could be an anthropologist. But the way you’re talking is if any single time an anthropologist is filming they must be doing it for anthropology research which is just not true. He could be an anthropologist doing personal press coverage not actively practicing anthropology so no he wouldn’t have to ask anyone for anything unless he specifically came their to do anthropology research which you have no basis to assume this. He simply could be an anthropologist filming himself walking up stairs in which case again he needs nothing from anyone
The guy recording clearly says, in the video, "I'm an anthropologist" "I want to document". Those are direct quotes from himself. I know it's a 4 minute long video and people don't exactly have that long of an attention span anymore due to short form content but if you watched the video in full, you'd understand the comments I'm making, why I'm making them, and why this guy is being disingenuous. You're being wildly obtuse here. If he's not here to document and research in his capacity as an anthropologist, then why bring it up at all? Why even mention that? Could it be to try and act like he's just doing this "just to learn" "just asking questions". Give me a break. This doesn't exist devoid of context.
He asked no questions or anything? At one point he say he doesn’t wanna engage just get through Is he not allowed to document historical events as an anthropologist it may interest him enough to document what is happening that doesn’t mean you can just to the conclusion that he needed consent as if he was doing an anthropology study or research. There is nothing wrong with being an anthropologist and documenting a historical event. I’m not being obtuse you put out possibilities and I’m giving an alternate possibility that you don’t agree with
>Is he not allowed to document historical events as an anthropologist it may interest him enough to document what is happening Yes, and as an anthropologist, you need to get consent from those alive you want to study. What aren't you getting about that? If you aren't being obtuse then you're being dense. What I'm putting out isn't a "possibility" it's a **BASIC RULE** of being an anthropologist.
He can be an anthropologist by profession and that could interest him to use his 1st amendment right as a civilian to go record a historical event. That doesn’t mean he’s acting in that moment as an anthropologist. He can both exist as an anthropologist and use his rights as a civilian to record historical public events he’s interested in. What aren’t you getting about that?
His profession is being a liar. Why else would the information of him being an anthropologist be important to say? Why even announce that? Why would that be a defense of why he's there? **Use you're critical thinking skills.** He's trying to be an agitator, and instigator, and to name and shame these protestors to stop what they're doing. He ain't the first to do this either. This is a known tactic. This is what he's doing with his words and his actions. A real anthropologist wouldn't conduct themselves in such a shameful way.
Yeah I noticed that too. What the actual fuck
lol “anthropologist”, maybe he shopped at anthropology once? Informed consent is primary when conducting field work.
Protests are literally the most public thing you can do. You're pleading with the public to get behind your cause. I've never seen this kind of "protesting" where instead of getting your opinions out you are actively shutting yourself off from others.
They're asking not to take pictures of the students bc the universities have openly stated they will be punished for being there so obviously they aren't going to want their faces out there
Right wing media types love interviewing students because they're young and not media trained. It's easy to take some sound bite out of context or edit an interview in a way that makes someone without media training to sound ill-informed, threatening or ridiculous. There's a reason that some right wing figureheads make a career out of "debating" leftist students who are 10-15 years their junior
I don't disagree but I still think it is bizarre and doesn't look good either. Everybody at a protest should be able to communicate why they're there. That's the minimum and none of that was even asked of these people. Even if the dude was trying to make people look dumb he hadn't even asked anything yet. I personally don't believe a protest should ever look like this. A protest is about self sacrifice for a cause. I have seen so little about the actual shit going on in gaza now that all these protests are happening.
Even in that case, he would be called a "living anthropologist". He's not digging up artifacts. Dude is just a weird troll looking for likes and subscribes
He may not have been in his research role and just exercising his First Amendment right to snoop.
They are in public and the 1st amendment exists. Even if he was a dick about it you don’t need to ask permission to record people in public areas. It’s a 1st amendment protected activity and most 1a auditors answer in a rude way on purpose usually to try and get some sort of reaction
I did agree with this being aggressive but it’s a very common response from 1st amendment auditors. They literally don’t give a fuck if you don’t wanna be recorded they would say leave public areas if you don’t wanna be seen which is what I think happened here. Not that it was polite but the point is to be rude to being “infringing” on your 1st amendment rights
Anthropologist my dick.
Wouldn’t HE be getting violent if he forced his way through? The audacity of these people
Didn't you hear him say "fuck you" to the kid at 2 seconds? He's obviously instigating.
Yeah I got that too.
Imagine going into any other crowd and trying that. Go to a concert and say I'm pushing my way to the front and if you stop me you're the problem.
I wish a mother fucker would tell me where I could or couldn’t walk.
Oooh tell Reddit what you would do!
Oooh Reddit ain’t ready for that baby.
"You are not allowed to enter the college you pay tuition at because we are having a support rally for terrorism."
Tells kid "fuck you" at 2 seconds. This is a bad faith actor.
Because these jumped up do-gooders think they can tell people what to do and where they can and can't go. Sometimes a little agitation is all it takes to show how ridiculous and entitled these "protesters" really are.
Don't act like he's there in good faith to "talk" or "learn" though
"This isn't time for communication," sums up the entire protesters problem. You can't truly learn and understand this complicated issue without real and honest dialogue.
At 2 seconds he tells kid "fuck you". Obviously he's there to instigate and not learn.
Would you communicate with a person who has an unknown agenda while pushing a camera up into your face?
He said he just wanted to walk through and document. If a pro Palestinian protester went to a pro Israel protest and just wanted to walk through and document and the situation was reversed we both know that your be siding with the person who wasn't allowed to walk through. You can be honest.
I dunno, did they prance around pretending to ve the victim after like this guy?
It’s understandable that you may not know this, but the organizers have rules about filming because it’s dangerous to be filmed at these protests. Police have and will use videos showing faces, clothing, and tattoos to identify and arrest/charge people afterwards.
That's a valid point, however do you think most of the people that block access are truly thinking about faces being shown leading to arrests or truly just don't want to engage.
Probably both. It’s not necessarily their job to teach the world about what’s going on or to argue with individuals about issues. The point of their protest is to apply pressure to institutions to divest from Israel and/or denounce the genocide in Gaza funded by US tax dollars.
It’s not an open house art exhibit with a lecturer and panelists or whatever. These students aren’t running a thanksgiving day parade. They are literally up against the police and Zionist agitators, risking their college degrees, future job opportunities, scholarships, housing, etc., to call out against a real and ongoing genocide.
Well bad luck for him then, but he could just walk around the protesters. Not like school had classes had work hours in the middle of the night So who are we even kidding? He wanted to "walk through" just to try and get some engagement from people who had no interests in being part of his ploy
What right do they have to block his access to wherever he wants to walk?
They don't have a right to block him. People who engage in civil disobedience know they are breaking the law.
The right to assembly?
If you block people's freedom of movement, then you're not peacefully assembling. It's like saying protesters have a right to sit in the street and stop cars from passing.
They don't, he is perfectly free to walk around them. A university campus ground isn't a motor way, so your comparison is just ridiculous
Which does not imply the right to assemble anywhere you please and it certainly doesn't carry the right to inhibit the free movement of others.
They don't, he is perfectly free to walk around them. And it's called civic disobedience for a reason. That this person can't force his way through a group of assembled citizens isn't something I am going to cry injustice about.
As if it isn't clear they will block him. But you don't have a right to civil disobedience. The whole point is to do something prohibited. You spoke on the right to assemble and you are wrong. Then you mentioned civil disobedience further making it clear you are wrong. Rights pertain to things we are all entitled to do. That is the point of them. If you support civil disobedience in this context... you can do that. But it is not about rights.
> As if it isn't clear they will block him. No it's not at all clear. They only want him to go away, they are explicit that they should not engage him. How can you think they would block him if he just took a 50 meter detour? Would they move the entire barricade too? >But you don't have a right to civil disobedience. The whole point is to do something prohibited. You spoke on the right to assemble and you are wrong. Then you mentioned civil disobedience further making it clear you are wrong. You have the moral right to it, it's called freedom of conscience and is a human right, and I hope you would agree that morality and natural law is more important than civic law - or would you say that fighting against Slavery was wrong since it was a crime? >Rights pertain to things we are all entitled to do No, they are also rights to *not do* things, such as supporting a genocide, which is what this protest is about.
Civil disobedience is done towards the government, not citizens.
Yes, and they are protesting that their univeristy is sponsoring a genocide. They are not blocking anyone from just walking around them. It's ridiculous to think that they would move the entire barricade like they are playing some weird version of Pong. They are more than explicit that they should not even engage him - he is the one that is confrontational
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Really naive take here. These right-wing shit stirrers are trying to villainize those who support Palestinians
Are they? Because there's a difference between being pro Palestinian vs saying Israel as a country should not exist. And this is why communication is important. Because the issue is a lot more complicated than one side is 100% wrong and one side is 100% right. Without communication all you have are the south park rabble rabble scene.
Israel is 100% wrong. I truly don’t give a shit
So when Palestinians stab Israelis, shoot them, blow up hotels, buses, that is 100% right in your opinion. This is why there really is no peace. Because you want to condemn Israel 100% and not anything Palestinians have done. I've already started Israel is not without sin. But the tactics of Palestinians trying to be less oppressed don't seem to be working. Maybe when this war is over, in a few years, Palestinians will wage another massive attack on Israel. And y'all will talk like wife beaters defending them saying, look what you made us do. Violence is not the answer to the Palestinian struggle. And the biggest barrier to peace is their refusal to accept Israel's right to exist.
Palestinians have the right under international law to engage in armed struggle against apartheid. Israel has a system of apartheid, which requires violence to enforce, which is why violence from Palestinians is inevitable.
That would at BEST be attacking the state, as in government of Israel. They 100% don’t have the right to go in an kill innocent civilians and then kidnap them and hold them hostage. Why the hell do you think the international community condemned that
Shh! These Zionists want to completely annihilate all Palestinians. Bloodthirsty lunatics
because their clearly stated goal is for their institution to pull out and divest, not to debate or entertain randos. It's unproductive and takes away from the real issue. I applaud them for sticking to their goal.
What a lazy argument brother. It’s 2024 the internet is filled with information to research. At this point if you don’t know you’re just ignorant which is bliss.
Do you think Israel is 100% in the wrong, and Palestinians are 100% in the right? Let's have a discussion.
This isn’t time for communication.
Oh, and my argument is lazy huh?
I legit laughed out loud because of how stupid you made them look. Nicely done.
Sorry I tried to lighten the mood up a bit with a lil banter brother. But for real Israel no good brother.
What about Palestinians? Are they all good? Do tactics like teaching their children to grow up to be martyrs a good thing? To honor and have parades for ones who kill Jews a good thing? To pay their family money for life if one does kill a Jew? You think that truly helps Palestinians cause? Israel is not without sin, but Palestinians put a lot of effort into wanting to destroy Israel instead of having peace and building up a society. Do you truly believe in your heart of hearts things wouldn't be different if suicide bombings, stabbings, other forms of indiscriminate murder by Palestinians against Israelis hasn't hurt Palestinians cause? Because if you can be truly honest, I think most people would agree that tactics like that just set back their goals.
Sheesh man I just don’t like a fake state killing & removing natives out of their homes.
Should Syria exist then? They've killed a shitload more people than Israel has. And they only became a state in the 1940s too.
u just described Hamas
How so?
Show me one , just one example of “hamas” forcibly taking an Israeli’s land/home.
lol you just described America
What's the point of protesting if you don't want to be seen and cover your face because there is a camera?
Hasbara agents doing damage control after all the videos on the sub
This is so fucking weird
Oh, what a fucking anthropologist recording the interlocutors against their will. Dude would be kicked out of any undergrad anthropology class
I'm not an expert in the law but I'm pretty sure there is no expectation of privacy in public spaces
Anthropologist follow a different set of principles and ethics when it comes to conducting their research. One of them is informed consent, which these protesters aren't giving, and he's violating that by recording anyway. Is he legally allowed to do so under US law? Of course. But then don't lie and call yourself an "anthropologist" when you don't even follow the bare minimum basic rules of anthropology.
Then he should not fucking call himself an anthropologist when he is there as a civilian.
This clown is just here to agitate and chase clout.
Man, Palestine protests are weird. Feels like another set of social norms we're relearning after Covid
If you watched the video his first words were “fuck you” to the protesters.
Being rude is not a crime. U.S. citizens saying “fuck you” to someone is a legally protected form of freedom of speech. So is recording people while in public. U.S. citizens who want to protest by blocking someone from traveling to their destination is not legal. They should be charged with causing a public disturbance or maybe even battery. People can choose to follow the law or risk the consequences. The basic standards of our laws need to be upheld first, regardless of anyone’s political and world view.
Soo scary!! Good thing the ”Counter Protesters” came in and protested with Lead pipes!
Ahh yes "anthropologist" tells the first person they meet : "f you" What is with this title, OP?
He’s a certified Anthropologist in California law
Oh, pardon me, I didn’t see the stamp
Known agitator hopes to get protesters doxxed there I fixed the title.
This is a doxxing tactics, he needs to shut up, he knows what he is doing.
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Completely unacceptable. Thats an anthropology professor at his place of work. Thats workplace harassment and the university should take that very seriously
The plan to liberate the world from capitalism, to unite all peoples of the world, and create a communist paradise: Step 1: Occupy a University Campus and turn it into a free commune of artists and intellectuals Step 2: Immediately introduce border controls Step 3: Demand that the bourgeoisie capitalist pigs provide free food (we’re hungry)
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Fuck off with the antisemitism, you and your ilk give the movement a bad rep.