idk why the weho boys are acting like they deserve the drag race fansā attention because they made a gay show. the headline name was todrick, who is not exactly beloved by drag race fans in 2023. add to that the fact that they put it between the main show and untucked and also edited DR down. what tf did you think was gonna happen? you pissed off drag race fans before they even watched your show.
It's kinda wild that some of them were mad about gay bars doing drag race viewings switching the tv off until untucked even though at events like that people have a specific reason they're there
You could tell me that that entire show was fabricated and paid for by Todrick personally as a sad attempt to rehab his image after CBB and Iād believe it
They're not saying it's the real friends' fault. They're saying those guys should have lowered their expectations. They were put in a bad spot by the network and they had no say in that...
So they should be mad at the network. They shouldn't be trying to create a narrative about diverse television when their show is about conventionally attractive, rich cis men partying in a safe-haven for queer people. They knew they were not creating anything more than trashy TV when they were filming it.
It's really fucking embarrassing hearing rich fags whine about not having their "efforts to create diversely cast queer television for the community" recognized when it's literally supposed to be a Real Housewives ripoff. They purposely made intentionally trashy TV and now they're acting like they're being shit on for trying to enrich the community.
Just accept that the show was bad and badly time slotted and move on, damn.
exactly. and now weāre blaming the show flopping on āgay men are afraid to see ourselves on TV.ā fuck off, you wanted to piggy back off the success of drag race without realizing why itās such a beloved show.
I think it'd also be hard for them to not take it personally when they have received a lot of personal attacks just for being on this show.
The top voted comment in this thread is calling this man an f slur in a derogatory way and that's coming from within his own community.
Devil's advocate -- the guys on the show had no control over the time and placement of the show. We can criticize their obnoxious, annoying attitudes, but to go after them for cutting into drag race isn't really fair
For more context in the video sheās quote tweeting , the guy (a cast member of Real friends of WEHO) says that their show had better representation than drag race and I quote āGay guys have a hard time seeing themselves ā .
Bonus the tik tok account took down the clip cause it was getting clowned on so much
the 20k viewer thing was from a parody acc
but their ratings are still embarrassing considering viewers had an incentive to suffer through 30 mins for untucked
578k for drag race
186k for weho premier
214k for untucked
The way this show *completely* fell off everyoneās radar after the second episode, nobody was mentioning it on social media, no Reddit posts, no bitchy hissy-fit handwritten notes from ~~Toddler~~ Todrickā¦absolutely nobody gave a shit, which is the worst thing in Hollywood because that means you arenāt relevant.
Do any of the cast members - other that this guy - even bother mentioning or defending this show? I looked as some social media accounts and no one seems to have it in their bio.
See bottom three arenāt for me , but the first girls would be great.
My comment wasnāt meant to be shady we have a long history of messy reality shows in the U.K. where celebrities just act chaotic and promote businesses, tired cliff hangers about will she paint the salon in time or will they make it to rehearsal.
Slight travel hiccups being edited to peak drama , and a lot of screaming at one another.
Baga would low-key be perfect , the last episode is everyone getting it together and doing amazingly in the show š
ngl i watched a few eps after drag race (only bc it was on right after and i was waiting for untucked) ā¦.
i had the worst second-hand embarrassment watching the show. it was overproduced af and soā¦ irrelevant? there was dumb catty drama, people with substance abuse issues, a guy who had major internalized homophobia (i guess his storyline was his family struggling to accept he was gay & him being worried his family would be embarrassed by him on the show/attending lgbtq+ events?) and more dumb drama. it was a TERRIBLE representation of the lgbtq+ community. especially after all the flack we are receiving from the fascist right in the US right now.
personally i thought it sucked & was really mad that they basically forced it down our throats bc it was between rpdr & untucked. we were right to be upset.
ps. jasmine & cheryl are 100% correct šš
The fact someone at MTV thought theyād force a gay destination night of TV by cutting time from drag race for this shit sandwich of a show using a broadcasting strategy that is outdated by a decade (charitably speaking)āI just want to know they were fired.
And I want to know MTV has taken their sticky hands off of Drag Race and given it back to VH1. *Makes Ridiculousness joke here.*
My best friend started calling it The L Word but for gay boys. He hate watched all of it and while I didn't bother with the show, I got to hear him and his boyfriend losing their shit over dumb things on the show via discord and it was fan-fucking-tastic.
Honestly one of the biggest issues we all had with the show was that it took time away from Drag Race and the queens suffered from it, Robin Fierce practically having no screen time. It made it harder to connect with a lot of the queens in the first half because we didn't know anything about them.
What made it even more bonkers is that MTV pretty much just airs reruns of Ridiculousness and surely they could've just gave up some of that for one singular night? I'm guessing the contract the creator has with them is to do with it but MTV just shows the same stuff all the time so couldn't something have given?
And the biggest thing against WeHo? We can spot just how fake it is before it even aired. We knew that most of these LA gays didn't stay there, we knew they weren't friends, no one wants Todrick anywhere on their screens, we knew he was cast to be a villain. We spotted this was business suits trying to pander to the queer audience without putting any effort into it. The show itself was just so vapid and full of nothing that you didn't even get the same enjoyment you get out of shows like the Real Housewives. It was just second hand embarassment and in the end, just screwed over the cast of season 15.
regarding ridiculousness - I read this article one time about how ridiculousness has basically taken over MTV and would probably be a priority over other shows no matter what. Iām not 100% sure tho, this was yearssss ago when I read it
They did Drag Race, a popular show with huge buzz on social media, so dirty for this garbage no one wanted, and some of the queens like Jax and Robin really suffered for it. Release the Snyder cut for shitās sake.
I mean, I don't really feel perfectly representated by Drag Race (but you really can't find a perfect version, it still does a great job), but I feel 100000000% less represented by fucking Friends of WeHo.
I don't feel "represented", however, I get really happy whenever I see nonbinary queens, pansexual queens, disabled queens and fat queens. I think the only time I really felt represented was when Victoria Scone was on, and I'm not even a woman (while I am AFAB, I'm nonbinary) or a lesbian.
However, I agree with you, in that I might not 100% feel represented on Drag Race, I'd rather that then whatever WeHo was doing.
This rhetoric of "why are you trying to kill *queer* representation" really bothers me. Being a cis gay man is still something worth celebrating, but cis gay men always have a way of implying (or even directly saying) and behaving as if that they are the center of queerness and baby if you want to represent cis gay men just say cis gay men. Don't act like my transmasculine ass has anything to do with this show because it fucking doesn't.
It just feels so disingenuous. And like there is blame on MTV/Paramount, volunteer but I consider them my bosses) are cis gay men. Like, having representation for them is still important no matter what.
But I do agree that it feels like cis gay men feel like, yeah, they're the centre of queerness, as you said. That to have one cis gay man on there means everyone is represented. Which sure.. I guess. But there's also so many intersectionalities when it comes to queerness.
While I do empathise in some ways, I won't in a lot of other ways. So having all these rich ablebodied cis gay men doesn't feel like representation. Yes, they're not all white, which is fantastic. But I just don't understand why they couldn't find a trans person, or a disabled person. Besides, having diverse friends means diverse opinions.
The place I volunteer for, we have people of all different races, genders, sexualities, able-ness, neurodivergency, socio-economic levels. Even fat folks. If all of your friends are rich cis ablebodied gay men, well, you're not going to learn much or understand the world as well as if you had diverse friends.
It just feels so disingenuous. And like there is blame on MTV/Paramount. But this guy is just doubling down.
The blame should be on MTV thinking there is not enough room for both shows to exist rather than cutting into existing LGBT content. I don't see why they couldn't have just aired it after untucked or in between the 90 minute episode and untucked. It was a bad marketing idea to think cutting the show down wouldn't effect the fans.
Thatās such a good point. It was like they had their two diversity hours and had to compromise rather than justā¦ airing two shows lol. I bet if it premiered after a regular sized episode and untucked it would still attract that demographic of reality tv enjoyers.
I'm almost entirely certain that the reason Joey Zauzig here is big mad because his career has mostly been fashion assisting and PR work with some small acting roles. I'm sure he thought this was his ticket to big roles, but his show getting rejected the way it did put a bunch of holes in that opportunity he felt entitled to. He doesn't understand that just being gay, rich and "pretty" wasn't actually enough to make people tune in; they want RELATABLE representation, not some hollow attention grab.
Do these people donāt understand that because a show features gay people does not mean that we have ti support it blindly just because itās gay? First, it has to be good
To say RPDR is only representative of a niche community is ignorant.
A big part of the show is seeing the queens out of drag. Itās a look at the person behind the performer. So while it is about drag queens, itās also about the LGBTQ+ person behind the drag.
Half their stories aren't even about coming to terms with doing drag they were about coming out in general to their families and peers. Sometimes the drag gets in the way or is part of the story or baggage but not always. Very easy to still connect without ever having put a shake n go on your head
Like we literally had a straight guy compete last season. And throughout the lifetime of the show we have had queens that have had biological children.
> To say RPDR is only representative of a niche community is ignorant.
Oh...wow. I haven't watched the clip (just reading the comments for the LOLZ) but this is on a whole other level of stupidity.
It was beyond a stupid decision for MTV to try and cut it into drag race. Like who wanted that?
Also???? This is embarrassing to admit but I watched the show and it was baaaadddddd. I actually like Brad Goreski but it was just a poorly slipped together show. It seemed like nobody wanted to be there, the drama was really poorly manufactured and it really was just a space for those gays to advertise their various businesses.
You know what was a good fucking show? Noahās Arc (well I havenāt seen it since it came out but I loved it at the time). A show about black gay men that was really funny and lovely. And I am not a black gay man but the show wasnāt tokenising diversity. This is the kind of stuff they should be making.
They really think that they were owed an audience. I hate the way that some people weaponize representation discourse, something that can be quite serious and profound, into "I'm gay, here I am, therefore you must give me a platform, applause and money"
Heartstopper was great because it included everyone on the spectrum. Real friends of Weho just has cis gay men and is an unwanted knock off of real housewives. Trust me no one wanted this.
So gay men can't have shows about them? It has to include other members of the LGBT community?
So if there was a show about transgender women would it have to include gay men too or is that allowed according to you?
So gay men, trans people, lesbians, have to include each other and/or straight people on their show otherwise it is bad representation of themselves?
Try to make it make sense.
It was like replacing the Rihanna halftime show w/ a episode of Dancing with the Stars. Doesn't mean people hate dancing. People are happy to watch ballroom dancing on a boring Tuesday and might even get into it but you don't use an appointment-viewing time slot to try to sucker people into watching something. The rfoweho cast members keep trying to make it this huge cultural thing but it was about this specific show being in this specific time slot.
Lmao, I don't need to repeat a dead horse, but I do *slightly* feel bad for the cast (minus Fraudrick) because they didn't know the show was going to cut drag race's air time. The blame really should fall on the network making that decision and trying to force this crap on us. Tbh, I would have even watched it had it just come on AFTER drag race and didn't cut down on an already established show.
...But this interview is a horrible, cringe take. This dude and Frauddy are the only ones I've seen get actually upset and personally offended that nobody wanted to watch them and wanted the show gone lol. Let's stop pretending pretentious gays are even "representation" at this point anymore.
His voice really does sound like he got a cum bubble stuck in his throat though š
Iām so sick of the WeHo cast acting like their show was the pinnacle of LGBTQIA representationā¦.. Where are the lesbians? where are the trans people? where are the bisexual people?
They can fuck right off with their self righteous complex.
All of these shows have a long way to go to truly represent the entire queer community and on the very top of that list is Real Friends of WeHo
Lmao. I forced myself to watch it and couldnāt even get past the first episode. Everyone was just āIām Instagram famous mawmaw lets go get botoxā with no actual substantial thing to say. Ew.
As a gay man, the way he described the show is exactly why I didn't want to watch it. The reason drag race has the fanbase it does is because we get amazing moments with queens from all walks of life. A show about six gay, privileged men in LA sounds boring AF. It's screaming entitled and insecure. If she was secure in what she did in LA, she wouldn't be bothered by the show tanking or how the fans reacted, but it's easier to sell "poor me" than actually be successful at something.
I do think the anger was misdirected at the cast who had no choice in when it aired. It should've been directed at the network who made those decisions.
I have a mutual friend through my partner. Who I believe is gay (I know he's not straight, and I know he dates men so I just don't know if he's bi, pan, etc. I just know he's not straight) and who never watched Drag Race before because he didn't want to become one of *those* gays.
LOL. It doesn't make you become one of those gays, it just reveals what was already there. I have *always* enjoyed beating jokes into the fucking ground, and I never found other people who did until I found a community of people still chortling at "I'm Roxxxy Andrews and I'm here to make it clear" 7 years on.
Tracy told no lies.
"I want more representation"
Which really means "I want to see people who are just like me on the screen"
And that's no how TV has ever worked.
I think it's fair to be extra critical of shitty national media representation of your community. It's not like we need to accept everything they shove at us
Yeah, it's interesting.
I mean many of us consume plenty of 'trashy' reality based TV like Real Housewives, Love Island, Bad Girl's Club, etc. but when it comes to ourselves we're even harsher.
Yeah a show about Frankie grande and a bunch of other gay z listers being messy would have got the same money criticisms but I doubt people would have actively attacked it as much without todricks shady history
Is it all Todrick though? I feel like I've seen significant blowback from just the concept of the show.
But the concept is ultimately just a gay version of other shows we consume. I think Todrick might be one factor, but I think there's more to it than that.
While Todrick is an obvious issue, he wasn't what completely killed it for me. It was the people who 1) cut drag race's airtime after it had already been filmed, and 2) put the show between drag race and untucked. The intent of forcing us into watching it is so disrespectful not only to us as viewers but the cast and crew of drag race. My lack of interest was a big middle finger to the execs
Speaking for myself, I can definitely see myself watching it or even as background noise. But when I knew Todrick was gonna be on the show.. No thanks.
There are also LOTS of threads in this sub during its premiere and most of the hate were towards Him. So yes, it is 99% Todrick.
I mean I canāt speak for everyone, but even if Todrick wasnāt on it, why would I want to sit down and watch gay men live some rich weho lifestyle fantasy? Like I live near weho and go there often yet I still canāt relate to that or find it appealing as the main premise of an entire show. If it was a real, raw look at that demographic then maybe I would give it a chance, but itās manufactured af so there goes that angle. It just doesnāt seem relatable or realistic at all, so it comes off as a straight producerās idea of what a gay lifestyle in weho is like
I think that's kind of what they were going for with the 'Real Housewives' vibe. Those shows usually depict fairly unrealistic lifestyles and people, even 'fake' friend groups with ridiculous drama. It's definitely not a genre for everyone though.
I suppose, yeah - thinking back, I will say it certainly wasnāt helped by a cast member publicly calling it out for being fake around the time of its premiere though, or them axing someone from the cast due to their having an onlyfans account. The concept not being for everyone, mixed with all those factors plus public distaste for todrick and shorter drag episodes is just a lethal combination
I don't know, I mean I've watched the Real Housewives shows and loved them even though I cannot connect to them on a socio-economic level. I just love how ridiculous it is, and you know, I support women's wrongs too.
But WeHo just... I don't know. There needs to be better representation and acceptance of queer identities before I engage in a show like that. I mean not every woman on RH are housewives, and obviously representation for women still isn't fantastic. However, when there's queer representation it's always... an event. We don't have the same for women (unless it's in a role where women haven't been in before, like The Doctor or say James Bond).
Whilst todrick and coās egos need to believe we are all self hating and jealous, what if itās missing misogyny to really capture that widespread support
Iām being sarcastic but thereās some truth I imagine.
I donāt get why weāre singled out straight people didnāt watch it either, housewives fans and drag race fans cishet fans disregarded it too and thereās usually some cross over with programming there.
Tbh I feel that type of reality show is long dead, even housewives is doing boat trips and all stars seasons now, audiences have been suspending disbelief so production can have an easy film schedule and cheap costs, just to watch the exact same conversations regarding trivial misunderstandings be stretched to shit for going on what feels like fifteen years now š
I mean both drag race and this show got fucked by MTV's decision to air it at the cost of drag race. Personally I probably wouldn't have watched it live but if it would've been popping up on streaming maybe check it out and get drunk while watching.
Queer trash should have room to exist too and not everything should be about representation or telling good stories. Sometimes you can also just laugh at vapid rotten people and that's fine too
Yeah I agree. I think it's the network decision that inherently pit the two against each other in a way that also contributed to how people felt, at least as an additional factor.
MTV should have aired it on a different night and just advertised for it during Drag Raceās commercial breaks. The show was fine and I wish we could see a Real Friends of Atlanta, Seattle, Chicago, etc. with gay people who arenāt fame adjacent. Unfortunately MTV fucked it up by gutting Drag Race and casting majority uninteresting and fake men.
I will 100% be excited for queer representation. For gay men representation. I will be standing with gay men no matter what. But as far as representation goes for gay cis men, there's so much out there. But when it comes to trans women, to trans men, nonbinary folks, intersex, lesbians, pansexual and bisexual folks, asexual and demisexual people. Like there's fuck all representation for those of us who are queer but aren't cis gay men.
That's not even going into representation of BIPOC (not just black men), disability, class, etc.
I mean shit, I would've watched RFoWeHo, but the lack of diversity really turned me off. That and Toddrick's behaviour off the show, not just before but while it was airing sucked. Like, it sucks that MTV/Paramount put them where they put them. I think that there would've been more people who watched it before Drag Race or after Untucked.
I just, the biggest eyeroll from that woman saying how diverse the show is. Sure... for gay cis men. But I didn't feel represented. I don't think a lot of people here (who are LGBTQIA+) felt represented. Like... who is she?
>I will be standing with gay men no matter what. But as far as representation goes for gay cis men, there's so much out there
How truly true is that?
I mean undoubtedly white cis-gay men are the main representation of queer existence on mainstream TV, but even then that representation is such a miniscule slice of the TV pie.
The LGBTQI+ community has always suffered from "representation scarcity" which leaves a hugely diverse community fighting for 00.1% of representational space on TV.
Inevitably we turn on ourselves rather then stepping back an realising its not the cis white gays that are the problem. Its the TV creatives, producers etc who rarely platform diverse voices as anything more than tokens.
Look I get what that dude is saying, but what he shouldāve been advocating for is separate airtimes altogether. Both formats of shows can exist without taking from one another.
Also, as far as Real Friends of Weho specifically, the whole premise collapses in on itself because none of them are friends lmao
What I don't understand is how Real Friends of Fuck This Shit *looked* better than Drag Race. Like the film quality seemed so much higher. Can they give their cameras to the Drag Race crew?
I bet the straights are real happy to see the queers at each otherās throats over the small bubble of screen time they decided we should be allotted. Other gays are not the issue, tell MTV that queers deserve more than 2 hours a week on the air!
He's right tho. People were mass hating on this show before anyone even saw a second of it. There's a lot of internalized homophobia in the community.
Having said that, I watched the first two episodes and it was beyond boring and absolutely joyless. The only compelling part was Curtis struggling with coming out.
>He's right tho. People were mass hating on this show before anyone even saw a second of it. There's a lot of internalized homophobia in the community.
I mean, was people hating on the show internalized homophobia or was it more that they were marketed as 'real friends of WeHo' even though we all knew they didn't all live in WeHo, weren't friends, the cast wasn't diverse (in terms of queer representation) or relatable and was just gonna be an excuse for the cast to try to promote themselves (and also featured Todrick, who many heavily disliked for various reasons), in addition to finding out it was going to cut into a show that was widely loved and was more diverse/relatable?
Like it would be one thing if the everyone hated the show and then it came out and was actually good but failed bc nobody gave it a chance--that would show people misjudged it. But the show was actually as terrible and shallow and everyone said it was gonna be so that seems more like everybody clocked it for what it was.
I didnāt interpret it as internalized homophobia. I was more bothered by the fact that this was MTVs way of trying to profit off gay people by āforcingā us to watch a show they were pushing.
I thought it was dumb that mtv made the real friends of weho cut into drag race time and air in between drag race and untucked. That severely ruins watch parties at bars and stuff because no one wants to wait an extra 30+ mins to get the the dramatic untucked.
Basically, I just think MTV promoted the show horribly, thus the reactions to said terrible promotion were warranted, imo
>There's a lot of internalized homophobia in the community.
And that's why there are little to no mainstream shows that centre on queer experience.
Because, historically, queer audiences don't show up for those shows. So there's no incentive to make them.
"Looking" for example. Everybody hated it at the time, the community took to the internet to write loooong essays about how it didn't represent "them" and it was cancelled.
And what replaced it? Nothing much...
The community constantly shits on Ryan Murphy (sometimes for valid reasons) but without him who's telling queer stories that reach mainstream audiences?
Funny enough I didn't like Looking because as a POC who didn't engage in hook up culture at the time I actually couldn't relate to it. But to hear that was the main criticism among the white gays?! Lmao.
I will say I grew up on Queer as Folk and I know a lot of other millennial gays did too. Not sure what happened after that..
>I will say I grew up on Queer as Folk and I know a lot of other millennial gays did too.
See I watched the original UK queer as folk around the time I was coming out at 22 and it seemed unimaginably affirming.
But as positive as I found it, I do recall alot of the gays had the same issue with this show even back then - that it depicted hedonistic, promiscuous queer life that 'wasn't them'.
I think underrepresented communities see so little of themselves on TV that we suffer from a sort of 'cultural starvation' that makes us hypersensitive to depictions that don't reflect who we think we are (or how we should be seen to be).
Billy Straight Dude doesn't have to worry because if he doesn't relate to 'that straight guy' in 'that show', well he can just move on to one of hundred other representations of the heterosexual male that makes him feel more seen.
Oh snap! Someone posted the link! It was Joey!!!
*guy eating chese and minding his own business*
Joey: Donāt cause drama at my house.
*guy*: ????
Joey: All I ever wanted was a perfect old hollywood styled party so that real celebrities will talk to me and consider me a real influencer andā¦!
*guy*: Iām too rich to put up with this. *leaves*
Epilogue: Guy owns a skincare line available at Umta and Target. Joey wants to be a skin care influencer. Shot himself in the foot. Could have just let the dude peacefully bave a couple ounces of cheese.
[link to the video](https://twitter.com/blazesaccount/status/1654124439154618369?s=46&t=q20MIHbrjqO1310LKe28hw)
jasmine gathered him as she should š but CHERYL??? š¤
Cheryl is so sweet and positive so I love that. She remind me of Courtney, pretty, bubbly but also have edge and is funny.
Are they professional seamstresses? Because they gathered him
idk why the weho boys are acting like they deserve the drag race fansā attention because they made a gay show. the headline name was todrick, who is not exactly beloved by drag race fans in 2023. add to that the fact that they put it between the main show and untucked and also edited DR down. what tf did you think was gonna happen? you pissed off drag race fans before they even watched your show.
It's kinda wild that some of them were mad about gay bars doing drag race viewings switching the tv off until untucked even though at events like that people have a specific reason they're there
It's because they thought everyone would be forced to watch it and forgot we can turn off the TV lmao
Deeply enjoyed that roscoes was like ātime for our mandated Q&Aā every time
Right like no one is obligated to sit through your shitty show
Add to that the show sucked ass.
Yeah it drew the hottest heat for how MTV scheduled them, but it was going to be a pile of obviously fabricated shit regardless.
>you pissed off drag race fans before they even watched your show. Letās not act like it was their fault they signed onto a Paramount+ reality show
Everything todricks is involved in is todricks fault and I will not hear otherwise
You could tell me that that entire show was fabricated and paid for by Todrick personally as a sad attempt to rehab his image after CBB and Iād believe it
Paid for?! That seems a bit far fetched
They're not saying it's the real friends' fault. They're saying those guys should have lowered their expectations. They were put in a bad spot by the network and they had no say in that... So they should be mad at the network. They shouldn't be trying to create a narrative about diverse television when their show is about conventionally attractive, rich cis men partying in a safe-haven for queer people. They knew they were not creating anything more than trashy TV when they were filming it.
It's really fucking embarrassing hearing rich fags whine about not having their "efforts to create diversely cast queer television for the community" recognized when it's literally supposed to be a Real Housewives ripoff. They purposely made intentionally trashy TV and now they're acting like they're being shit on for trying to enrich the community. Just accept that the show was bad and badly time slotted and move on, damn.
exactly. and now weāre blaming the show flopping on āgay men are afraid to see ourselves on TV.ā fuck off, you wanted to piggy back off the success of drag race without realizing why itās such a beloved show.
the show sucked and they have ZERO appeal
I think it'd also be hard for them to not take it personally when they have received a lot of personal attacks just for being on this show. The top voted comment in this thread is calling this man an f slur in a derogatory way and that's coming from within his own community.
You can say fag its okay
Devil's advocate -- the guys on the show had no control over the time and placement of the show. We can criticize their obnoxious, annoying attitudes, but to go after them for cutting into drag race isn't really fair
For more context in the video sheās quote tweeting , the guy (a cast member of Real friends of WEHO) says that their show had better representation than drag race and I quote āGay guys have a hard time seeing themselves ā . Bonus the tik tok account took down the clip cause it was getting clowned on so much
You forgot the lady calling the cast so diverse lol
She stumbled through that sentence, too. Like her vocal cords were trying to stop her and she soldiered through it.
Yeah it was almost she had a vision of how this is going viral and she will be clowned for days
Raven-SymonƩ she is not.
Omgggg no you didnāt lolololol
But also, who is she? And no offence, but what does she know? Maybe heaps, but idk her like that
Hollywoo Stars and Celebrities: What Do They Know? Do They Know Things?? Let's Find Out!
"Bojack?! Don't you know *anything*?"
*who is she?! Who is she?! Where did they find her??*
Who even is she??
Who cares ?
Do we even know who he is?
it's the cum bubble for me
My mind will immediately go back to Cheryl's comment any time someone clears their throat now
bitch needs to pop one very large Mucinex.
I used to call it āpeanut butter throatā bc it sounds like thereās PB in there but now i might have to switch phrasing š¤£
A 20k premiere on MTV is so embarrassing. I can't believe that no-name f\*g is still in denial.
people actually switched off the tv because their show was on. it is very embarassing
Listen, Hallmark was airing a Golden Girls episode I only knew *mostly* by heart, what was I supposed to do, not switch to it until Untucked started?
Understandable š„°
Valid. What I wanna know, though, is what does Joe have to say about all this?
JOE MAMA! š (Oh god, I hope that was the set up to the Joe Mama joke from the Golden Girls!)
Oh, uh... Joe Stewart, he's my business partner. Joe Mama's with IBM ššš
May the marinera sauce of the Weho gays never cling to their pasta
My husband would always make me turn the app off too. š¤£
the 20k viewer thing was from a parody acc but their ratings are still embarrassing considering viewers had an incentive to suffer through 30 mins for untucked 578k for drag race 186k for weho premier 214k for untucked
lmao the fact that people left and came back for untucked, their lil plan did not work
I cancelled my MTV subscription for 45 min each week just to prove a point
I applaud your commitment.
The way this show *completely* fell off everyoneās radar after the second episode, nobody was mentioning it on social media, no Reddit posts, no bitchy hissy-fit handwritten notes from ~~Toddler~~ Todrickā¦absolutely nobody gave a shit, which is the worst thing in Hollywood because that means you arenāt relevant.
Do any of the cast members - other that this guy - even bother mentioning or defending this show? I looked as some social media accounts and no one seems to have it in their bio.
well there was that one time yuhua needed a new toaster
 This bitch in the replies hahahahaha I love her so much. They ought to put her on the Vegas revue.
Omg yes Iāll fly out just for her!
Listen a season where they get a bunch of unprofessional British girls to join the show would be iconic reality tv
Chez is a pro!
Tayce, Cheryl, and Dakota, but also Gothy, Scaredy, and Starlet.
See bottom three arenāt for me , but the first girls would be great. My comment wasnāt meant to be shady we have a long history of messy reality shows in the U.K. where celebrities just act chaotic and promote businesses, tired cliff hangers about will she paint the salon in time or will they make it to rehearsal. Slight travel hiccups being edited to peak drama , and a lot of screaming at one another. Baga would low-key be perfect , the last episode is everyone getting it together and doing amazingly in the show š
This was not another day of mediocrity for her, oh at all š
ngl i watched a few eps after drag race (only bc it was on right after and i was waiting for untucked) ā¦. i had the worst second-hand embarrassment watching the show. it was overproduced af and soā¦ irrelevant? there was dumb catty drama, people with substance abuse issues, a guy who had major internalized homophobia (i guess his storyline was his family struggling to accept he was gay & him being worried his family would be embarrassed by him on the show/attending lgbtq+ events?) and more dumb drama. it was a TERRIBLE representation of the lgbtq+ community. especially after all the flack we are receiving from the fascist right in the US right now. personally i thought it sucked & was really mad that they basically forced it down our throats bc it was between rpdr & untucked. we were right to be upset. ps. jasmine & cheryl are 100% correct šš
Yeah I had it on in the background waiting for u tucked to come on and it really was pretty bad. And almost exactly what I expected of the show
That is exactly it. Accurate representation? Totally here for it. This shit? No m'am. This shit taking time out of drag race? WE RIOT.
The fact someone at MTV thought theyād force a gay destination night of TV by cutting time from drag race for this shit sandwich of a show using a broadcasting strategy that is outdated by a decade (charitably speaking)āI just want to know they were fired. And I want to know MTV has taken their sticky hands off of Drag Race and given it back to VH1. *Makes Ridiculousness joke here.*
As a long time Amazing Race fan I almost watched it for James( Jonathan Bennetts husband.) Was he tolerable or just as bad as everyone??
hmm i think he was ok? he was kinda over it imo
My best friend started calling it The L Word but for gay boys. He hate watched all of it and while I didn't bother with the show, I got to hear him and his boyfriend losing their shit over dumb things on the show via discord and it was fan-fucking-tastic.
Honestly one of the biggest issues we all had with the show was that it took time away from Drag Race and the queens suffered from it, Robin Fierce practically having no screen time. It made it harder to connect with a lot of the queens in the first half because we didn't know anything about them. What made it even more bonkers is that MTV pretty much just airs reruns of Ridiculousness and surely they could've just gave up some of that for one singular night? I'm guessing the contract the creator has with them is to do with it but MTV just shows the same stuff all the time so couldn't something have given? And the biggest thing against WeHo? We can spot just how fake it is before it even aired. We knew that most of these LA gays didn't stay there, we knew they weren't friends, no one wants Todrick anywhere on their screens, we knew he was cast to be a villain. We spotted this was business suits trying to pander to the queer audience without putting any effort into it. The show itself was just so vapid and full of nothing that you didn't even get the same enjoyment you get out of shows like the Real Housewives. It was just second hand embarassment and in the end, just screwed over the cast of season 15.
regarding ridiculousness - I read this article one time about how ridiculousness has basically taken over MTV and would probably be a priority over other shows no matter what. Iām not 100% sure tho, this was yearssss ago when I read it
They did Drag Race, a popular show with huge buzz on social media, so dirty for this garbage no one wanted, and some of the queens like Jax and Robin really suffered for it. Release the Snyder cut for shitās sake.
Can Robin Fine just destroy Toddy in a lip sync battle or something?
I mean, I don't really feel perfectly representated by Drag Race (but you really can't find a perfect version, it still does a great job), but I feel 100000000% less represented by fucking Friends of WeHo.
Thereās no such thing as perfect representation. I mean unless a show was a 24 feed of realblush you would never totally see yourself.
I don't feel "represented", however, I get really happy whenever I see nonbinary queens, pansexual queens, disabled queens and fat queens. I think the only time I really felt represented was when Victoria Scone was on, and I'm not even a woman (while I am AFAB, I'm nonbinary) or a lesbian. However, I agree with you, in that I might not 100% feel represented on Drag Race, I'd rather that then whatever WeHo was doing.
This rhetoric of "why are you trying to kill *queer* representation" really bothers me. Being a cis gay man is still something worth celebrating, but cis gay men always have a way of implying (or even directly saying) and behaving as if that they are the center of queerness and baby if you want to represent cis gay men just say cis gay men. Don't act like my transmasculine ass has anything to do with this show because it fucking doesn't.
It just feels so disingenuous. And like there is blame on MTV/Paramount, volunteer but I consider them my bosses) are cis gay men. Like, having representation for them is still important no matter what. But I do agree that it feels like cis gay men feel like, yeah, they're the centre of queerness, as you said. That to have one cis gay man on there means everyone is represented. Which sure.. I guess. But there's also so many intersectionalities when it comes to queerness. While I do empathise in some ways, I won't in a lot of other ways. So having all these rich ablebodied cis gay men doesn't feel like representation. Yes, they're not all white, which is fantastic. But I just don't understand why they couldn't find a trans person, or a disabled person. Besides, having diverse friends means diverse opinions. The place I volunteer for, we have people of all different races, genders, sexualities, able-ness, neurodivergency, socio-economic levels. Even fat folks. If all of your friends are rich cis ablebodied gay men, well, you're not going to learn much or understand the world as well as if you had diverse friends. It just feels so disingenuous. And like there is blame on MTV/Paramount. But this guy is just doubling down.
Yes to seeing all of these types of queens and more!
Stan Jasmine and Cheryl for life 
The blame should be on MTV thinking there is not enough room for both shows to exist rather than cutting into existing LGBT content. I don't see why they couldn't have just aired it after untucked or in between the 90 minute episode and untucked. It was a bad marketing idea to think cutting the show down wouldn't effect the fans.
Thatās such a good point. It was like they had their two diversity hours and had to compromise rather than justā¦ airing two shows lol. I bet if it premiered after a regular sized episode and untucked it would still attract that demographic of reality tv enjoyers.
I'm almost entirely certain that the reason Joey Zauzig here is big mad because his career has mostly been fashion assisting and PR work with some small acting roles. I'm sure he thought this was his ticket to big roles, but his show getting rejected the way it did put a bunch of holes in that opportunity he felt entitled to. He doesn't understand that just being gay, rich and "pretty" wasn't actually enough to make people tune in; they want RELATABLE representation, not some hollow attention grab.
CHERYL! š«¢
Cheryl made me cackle š
The way I knew it would be that raspy voiced asshole before I even watched the video
does he always sound like this
Who is she though?
 Cheryl is amazing.
not the #š¦š«§
Do these people donāt understand that because a show features gay people does not mean that we have ti support it blindly just because itās gay? First, it has to be good
To say RPDR is only representative of a niche community is ignorant. A big part of the show is seeing the queens out of drag. Itās a look at the person behind the performer. So while it is about drag queens, itās also about the LGBTQ+ person behind the drag.
Half their stories aren't even about coming to terms with doing drag they were about coming out in general to their families and peers. Sometimes the drag gets in the way or is part of the story or baggage but not always. Very easy to still connect without ever having put a shake n go on your head
There are literally queer people from many walks of life on rpdr but i bet to people like him theyāre all just sissy fruity drag queens
Like we literally had a straight guy compete last season. And throughout the lifetime of the show we have had queens that have had biological children.
> To say RPDR is only representative of a niche community is ignorant. Oh...wow. I haven't watched the clip (just reading the comments for the LOLZ) but this is on a whole other level of stupidity.
Itās pretty stupid do not watch it. I regret giving them a view.
It was beyond a stupid decision for MTV to try and cut it into drag race. Like who wanted that? Also???? This is embarrassing to admit but I watched the show and it was baaaadddddd. I actually like Brad Goreski but it was just a poorly slipped together show. It seemed like nobody wanted to be there, the drama was really poorly manufactured and it really was just a space for those gays to advertise their various businesses.
Had they done Drag Race, Untucked, WEHO - the show probably would have done fine. But they basically caused it to be a contentious issue
It wouldāve still did trash~
Exactly!!!!
Miss Hole is a legend.
Cheryl and jasmine really said let us clear this f word
We can stan homophobia put to good use
A little bit of homophobia, as a treat.
Cherylās comment, im screaming. š
You know what was a good fucking show? Noahās Arc (well I havenāt seen it since it came out but I loved it at the time). A show about black gay men that was really funny and lovely. And I am not a black gay man but the show wasnāt tokenising diversity. This is the kind of stuff they should be making.
Your honor, she ate 
They really think that they were owed an audience. I hate the way that some people weaponize representation discourse, something that can be quite serious and profound, into "I'm gay, here I am, therefore you must give me a platform, applause and money"
Itās not a basic human right to have a reality TV show
That show was literally just cis gay MLM representation.
And? Gay men can't have shows now or what?
No they cannot. If you do not include the LBTQ in LGBTQ
Ridiculous. Gay men can have shows about them, in the sam way lesbians can, trans women can etc.
Heartstopper was great because it included everyone on the spectrum. Real friends of Weho just has cis gay men and is an unwanted knock off of real housewives. Trust me no one wanted this.
So gay men can't have shows about them? It has to include other members of the LGBT community? So if there was a show about transgender women would it have to include gay men too or is that allowed according to you?
Im just saying include everyone. Donāt be saying representation matters when your only catering said representation to yourself
So gay men, trans people, lesbians, have to include each other and/or straight people on their show otherwise it is bad representation of themselves? Try to make it make sense.
Does it make you feel like your making a good point if you ask the same bad faith question over and over again??
This person thinks gay men can't have shows about them. I just wanted to point out their hypocrisy.
It was like replacing the Rihanna halftime show w/ a episode of Dancing with the Stars. Doesn't mean people hate dancing. People are happy to watch ballroom dancing on a boring Tuesday and might even get into it but you don't use an appointment-viewing time slot to try to sucker people into watching something. The rfoweho cast members keep trying to make it this huge cultural thing but it was about this specific show being in this specific time slot.
Lmao, I don't need to repeat a dead horse, but I do *slightly* feel bad for the cast (minus Fraudrick) because they didn't know the show was going to cut drag race's air time. The blame really should fall on the network making that decision and trying to force this crap on us. Tbh, I would have even watched it had it just come on AFTER drag race and didn't cut down on an already established show. ...But this interview is a horrible, cringe take. This dude and Frauddy are the only ones I've seen get actually upset and personally offended that nobody wanted to watch them and wanted the show gone lol. Let's stop pretending pretentious gays are even "representation" at this point anymore. His voice really does sound like he got a cum bubble stuck in his throat though š
Iām so sick of the WeHo cast acting like their show was the pinnacle of LGBTQIA representationā¦.. Where are the lesbians? where are the trans people? where are the bisexual people? They can fuck right off with their self righteous complex. All of these shows have a long way to go to truly represent the entire queer community and on the very top of that list is Real Friends of WeHo
Lmao. I forced myself to watch it and couldnāt even get past the first episode. Everyone was just āIām Instagram famous mawmaw lets go get botoxā with no actual substantial thing to say. Ew.
As a gay man, the way he described the show is exactly why I didn't want to watch it. The reason drag race has the fanbase it does is because we get amazing moments with queens from all walks of life. A show about six gay, privileged men in LA sounds boring AF. It's screaming entitled and insecure. If she was secure in what she did in LA, she wouldn't be bothered by the show tanking or how the fans reacted, but it's easier to sell "poor me" than actually be successful at something.
I do think the anger was misdirected at the cast who had no choice in when it aired. It should've been directed at the network who made those decisions.
I do think gay men are very harsh about media / representation when it isnāt drag related - nonetheless I never saw the show
Drag doesn't appeal to a lot of gays surprisingly. I have a small circle of homos and they don't see any appeal behind it
I have a mutual friend through my partner. Who I believe is gay (I know he's not straight, and I know he dates men so I just don't know if he's bi, pan, etc. I just know he's not straight) and who never watched Drag Race before because he didn't want to become one of *those* gays.
LOL. It doesn't make you become one of those gays, it just reveals what was already there. I have *always* enjoyed beating jokes into the fucking ground, and I never found other people who did until I found a community of people still chortling at "I'm Roxxxy Andrews and I'm here to make it clear" 7 years on.
Haha fuck we really are a bunch of dumbasses š¤£ you're so right though, I still laugh my ass off at the same drag race jokes/memes from forever ago.
"This is what LGBT people do, we ask for representation then we shred it" -Trixie Mattel
Tracy told no lies. "I want more representation" Which really means "I want to see people who are just like me on the screen" And that's no how TV has ever worked.
I think it's fair to be extra critical of shitty national media representation of your community. It's not like we need to accept everything they shove at us
Yeah, it's interesting. I mean many of us consume plenty of 'trashy' reality based TV like Real Housewives, Love Island, Bad Girl's Club, etc. but when it comes to ourselves we're even harsher.
Probably cause Todrick isnt a good representation of our group, neither does he deserve the opportunities he gets being on the show.
They didn't even bother asking Leslie Jordan to be the frontwoman SMH
Yeah a show about Frankie grande and a bunch of other gay z listers being messy would have got the same money criticisms but I doubt people would have actively attacked it as much without todricks shady history
Is it all Todrick though? I feel like I've seen significant blowback from just the concept of the show. But the concept is ultimately just a gay version of other shows we consume. I think Todrick might be one factor, but I think there's more to it than that.
While Todrick is an obvious issue, he wasn't what completely killed it for me. It was the people who 1) cut drag race's airtime after it had already been filmed, and 2) put the show between drag race and untucked. The intent of forcing us into watching it is so disrespectful not only to us as viewers but the cast and crew of drag race. My lack of interest was a big middle finger to the execs
Speaking for myself, I can definitely see myself watching it or even as background noise. But when I knew Todrick was gonna be on the show.. No thanks. There are also LOTS of threads in this sub during its premiere and most of the hate were towards Him. So yes, it is 99% Todrick.
I mean I canāt speak for everyone, but even if Todrick wasnāt on it, why would I want to sit down and watch gay men live some rich weho lifestyle fantasy? Like I live near weho and go there often yet I still canāt relate to that or find it appealing as the main premise of an entire show. If it was a real, raw look at that demographic then maybe I would give it a chance, but itās manufactured af so there goes that angle. It just doesnāt seem relatable or realistic at all, so it comes off as a straight producerās idea of what a gay lifestyle in weho is like
I think that's kind of what they were going for with the 'Real Housewives' vibe. Those shows usually depict fairly unrealistic lifestyles and people, even 'fake' friend groups with ridiculous drama. It's definitely not a genre for everyone though.
I suppose, yeah - thinking back, I will say it certainly wasnāt helped by a cast member publicly calling it out for being fake around the time of its premiere though, or them axing someone from the cast due to their having an onlyfans account. The concept not being for everyone, mixed with all those factors plus public distaste for todrick and shorter drag episodes is just a lethal combination
I don't know, I mean I've watched the Real Housewives shows and loved them even though I cannot connect to them on a socio-economic level. I just love how ridiculous it is, and you know, I support women's wrongs too. But WeHo just... I don't know. There needs to be better representation and acceptance of queer identities before I engage in a show like that. I mean not every woman on RH are housewives, and obviously representation for women still isn't fantastic. However, when there's queer representation it's always... an event. We don't have the same for women (unless it's in a role where women haven't been in before, like The Doctor or say James Bond).
Whilst todrick and coās egos need to believe we are all self hating and jealous, what if itās missing misogyny to really capture that widespread support Iām being sarcastic but thereās some truth I imagine. I donāt get why weāre singled out straight people didnāt watch it either, housewives fans and drag race fans cishet fans disregarded it too and thereās usually some cross over with programming there. Tbh I feel that type of reality show is long dead, even housewives is doing boat trips and all stars seasons now, audiences have been suspending disbelief so production can have an easy film schedule and cheap costs, just to watch the exact same conversations regarding trivial misunderstandings be stretched to shit for going on what feels like fifteen years now š
He really messed up his brand with big brother etc - too bad - heās brilliantly talentedā¦
his brand was messed up before big brother
Big Brother just exposed it more to the masses
I mean both drag race and this show got fucked by MTV's decision to air it at the cost of drag race. Personally I probably wouldn't have watched it live but if it would've been popping up on streaming maybe check it out and get drunk while watching. Queer trash should have room to exist too and not everything should be about representation or telling good stories. Sometimes you can also just laugh at vapid rotten people and that's fine too
Yeah I agree. I think it's the network decision that inherently pit the two against each other in a way that also contributed to how people felt, at least as an additional factor.
MTV should have aired it on a different night and just advertised for it during Drag Raceās commercial breaks. The show was fine and I wish we could see a Real Friends of Atlanta, Seattle, Chicago, etc. with gay people who arenāt fame adjacent. Unfortunately MTV fucked it up by gutting Drag Race and casting majority uninteresting and fake men.
Or just use Untucked as the lead in! I still wouldnāt have watched it because Todrick but it wouldnāt have been so hated.
That response is, to quote Eureka and MIB: ***oh, wow***
Safe to say it was cancelled?
Cheryl and Jasmine came for the jugular and Iām living for it
ew he sounds so insufferable
Proud to NOT be one of the 20k viewers. š„°
ah cheryl, bless her
Cheryl pls
Cheryl's reply made it even more iconic.
I love when women instruct me about gay men in a condescending manner. "Do these people realize" Shut the fuck up!
I will 100% be excited for queer representation. For gay men representation. I will be standing with gay men no matter what. But as far as representation goes for gay cis men, there's so much out there. But when it comes to trans women, to trans men, nonbinary folks, intersex, lesbians, pansexual and bisexual folks, asexual and demisexual people. Like there's fuck all representation for those of us who are queer but aren't cis gay men. That's not even going into representation of BIPOC (not just black men), disability, class, etc. I mean shit, I would've watched RFoWeHo, but the lack of diversity really turned me off. That and Toddrick's behaviour off the show, not just before but while it was airing sucked. Like, it sucks that MTV/Paramount put them where they put them. I think that there would've been more people who watched it before Drag Race or after Untucked. I just, the biggest eyeroll from that woman saying how diverse the show is. Sure... for gay cis men. But I didn't feel represented. I don't think a lot of people here (who are LGBTQIA+) felt represented. Like... who is she?
>I will be standing with gay men no matter what. But as far as representation goes for gay cis men, there's so much out there How truly true is that? I mean undoubtedly white cis-gay men are the main representation of queer existence on mainstream TV, but even then that representation is such a miniscule slice of the TV pie. The LGBTQI+ community has always suffered from "representation scarcity" which leaves a hugely diverse community fighting for 00.1% of representational space on TV. Inevitably we turn on ourselves rather then stepping back an realising its not the cis white gays that are the problem. Its the TV creatives, producers etc who rarely platform diverse voices as anything more than tokens.
i wanna know who this dimwit agreeing with him is like shut up
Cheryl omfggggg
Miss Mouth Almighty as spoken. Bow
Look I get what that dude is saying, but what he shouldāve been advocating for is separate airtimes altogether. Both formats of shows can exist without taking from one another. Also, as far as Real Friends of Weho specifically, the whole premise collapses in on itself because none of them are friends lmao
CLEAR THAT PRIVILEGED FAG!!!!! 
cum bubble????? š
AND THAT'S WHY DERRICK DOESN'T LIKE YOU.
She spilled
these gays are giving billy eichner levels of misplaced confidence
What I don't understand is how Real Friends of Fuck This Shit *looked* better than Drag Race. Like the film quality seemed so much higher. Can they give their cameras to the Drag Race crew?
 Me after reading the reply. Also jasmine is right
I bet the straights are real happy to see the queers at each otherās throats over the small bubble of screen time they decided we should be allotted. Other gays are not the issue, tell MTV that queers deserve more than 2 hours a week on the air!
He's right tho. People were mass hating on this show before anyone even saw a second of it. There's a lot of internalized homophobia in the community. Having said that, I watched the first two episodes and it was beyond boring and absolutely joyless. The only compelling part was Curtis struggling with coming out.
>He's right tho. People were mass hating on this show before anyone even saw a second of it. There's a lot of internalized homophobia in the community. I mean, was people hating on the show internalized homophobia or was it more that they were marketed as 'real friends of WeHo' even though we all knew they didn't all live in WeHo, weren't friends, the cast wasn't diverse (in terms of queer representation) or relatable and was just gonna be an excuse for the cast to try to promote themselves (and also featured Todrick, who many heavily disliked for various reasons), in addition to finding out it was going to cut into a show that was widely loved and was more diverse/relatable? Like it would be one thing if the everyone hated the show and then it came out and was actually good but failed bc nobody gave it a chance--that would show people misjudged it. But the show was actually as terrible and shallow and everyone said it was gonna be so that seems more like everybody clocked it for what it was.
I didnāt interpret it as internalized homophobia. I was more bothered by the fact that this was MTVs way of trying to profit off gay people by āforcingā us to watch a show they were pushing. I thought it was dumb that mtv made the real friends of weho cut into drag race time and air in between drag race and untucked. That severely ruins watch parties at bars and stuff because no one wants to wait an extra 30+ mins to get the the dramatic untucked. Basically, I just think MTV promoted the show horribly, thus the reactions to said terrible promotion were warranted, imo
That's definitely valid. But I remember a lot of the hate were directed at the actual cast of the show. It got pretty personal.
>There's a lot of internalized homophobia in the community. And that's why there are little to no mainstream shows that centre on queer experience. Because, historically, queer audiences don't show up for those shows. So there's no incentive to make them. "Looking" for example. Everybody hated it at the time, the community took to the internet to write loooong essays about how it didn't represent "them" and it was cancelled. And what replaced it? Nothing much... The community constantly shits on Ryan Murphy (sometimes for valid reasons) but without him who's telling queer stories that reach mainstream audiences?
Funny enough I didn't like Looking because as a POC who didn't engage in hook up culture at the time I actually couldn't relate to it. But to hear that was the main criticism among the white gays?! Lmao. I will say I grew up on Queer as Folk and I know a lot of other millennial gays did too. Not sure what happened after that..
>I will say I grew up on Queer as Folk and I know a lot of other millennial gays did too. See I watched the original UK queer as folk around the time I was coming out at 22 and it seemed unimaginably affirming. But as positive as I found it, I do recall alot of the gays had the same issue with this show even back then - that it depicted hedonistic, promiscuous queer life that 'wasn't them'. I think underrepresented communities see so little of themselves on TV that we suffer from a sort of 'cultural starvation' that makes us hypersensitive to depictions that don't reflect who we think we are (or how we should be seen to be). Billy Straight Dude doesn't have to worry because if he doesn't relate to 'that straight guy' in 'that show', well he can just move on to one of hundred other representations of the heterosexual male that makes him feel more seen.
I mean Real Freinds of WeHo was a shitshow of a shit show. But lets also be honest: we hate ourselves, especially when we're shown on TV.
The way I knew this was directed at todrick without even opening the post
It wasn't. one of the other guys was talking about it and had a very raspy voice lol
Was it Joey? Forgive me, I watched as I was already curled up on the couch. š
You think I know any of those gus' names? š He looked white or white passing though if that helps
You know, I really donāt have that expectation of you. š Your description, however, would fit him. š¤£šš¤£šš¤£
That's fair actually lol Well I am glad I was of help then haha
Oh snap! Someone posted the link! It was Joey!!! *guy eating chese and minding his own business* Joey: Donāt cause drama at my house. *guy*: ???? Joey: All I ever wanted was a perfect old hollywood styled party so that real celebrities will talk to me and consider me a real influencer andā¦! *guy*: Iām too rich to put up with this. *leaves* Epilogue: Guy owns a skincare line available at Umta and Target. Joey wants to be a skin care influencer. Shot himself in the foot. Could have just let the dude peacefully bave a couple ounces of cheese.
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