You got this king remember:
That was fucking bullshit where the fuck did that even come from.
Why the ever living hell did we think it was a good idea to get DMG on key use.
Just beat this!!
My tip… which shouldn’t mean shit to anyone.
Defense is more important than offense. Just worry about dodging shit. Shoot all the time, but stop offense to dodge shit.
I've seen a lot of OP's posts. He's a bit of a legend 'round these parts. It would be out of character for him NOT to do the challenge rooms even on a blindfolded, upside-down, zero-grav, DDR Dance Mat Controller while being waterboarded at Guantanamo zero death run.
That’s one of the many reasons that keeps me coming back. Just about to break 600 hours, and I still get caught out every so often. I’m trying to collect all artifacts organically without using that cheat people use. Just playing and trying to find rare artifacts. It’ll take me a lifetime to get some like the music box (found 13 times so far). Good luck on your goal though. I keep trying to come up with new ways to challenge myself. Next one I’m thinking is doing the whole game all bosses all rooms with just 1 type of gun without dying. Maybe start with just pistol only run.
I’m also keeping tracking track of every artifact I get so I can track the percentages out of 1000 like someone else did. I’m a little over 300 right now.
That's the goal that took me to about 1100 hours! Music box took far longer than anything else. It's a great goal, I know of only one other who completed it, and another one who used save cheats (it only saved them about 200 hours, it wasn't a huge shortcut in the end). From what I've heard early cheat codes filled the wiki but were patched out.
I also have a notebook where I recorded drops! And stuff like malfunctions, parasite patterns, challenge room rewards etc. I never recorded flat artifact drops (I remember seeing that though, she was working on completion too. I hope she achieved it!) but I can say most sources don't seem to have music box in their drop pool. Reclaimers, broken fabricators, certain reward pedestals and very rarely xenophaguses, but only those in specific locations like drop rooms or from biome 1.
Yeah, I’ll never use any cheat or save scum ever. This will give me a reason to play this game for years. Check this out though. The reason I started keeping a note on my phone of every artificat I got was because I noticed the weirdest pattern happen. This is the first few I got:
AST-AA-
034 - Warped Rubber Ball
022 - Murmuring Cocoon
021 - Unfed Pod
020 - Progenitor Egg
019 - Fractal Nail
018 - Pulsating Mass
Skips over 017 because that’s not a collectible Artifact
016 - Xeno-Tech Sight
023 - Sealed Skull
032 - Damaged Toy Robot
006 - Wound Seekers
029 - Childs Watch
004 - Golden Coil
035 - Melted Globe
22-16 is completely in order, then wraps back up to 23. That means I found at least 6 artificats in a row exactly in numerical order. What are the odds of that? Of the 300 entries after those it’s never happened since. Have barely seen 2 consecutive numbers much less 6-7. If that’s coincidence, that’s astounding odds.
Legend has it, back in alpha or some early version you could plug in a keyboard and enter codes to spawn anything in game. That's how the wiki was filled. Supposedly. Echoes of whispers.
Currently there's a save scum method where you can disconnect your game from the cloud save. I don't know specifics but it requires ps+. Anyways the method is gather a ton of obolites, find a broken fabricator, disconnect your save. Run through all your obolites on the fabricator. If you don't get what you're looking for, redownload your save and try again.
I might have been tempted but I still was having fun playing. And I kept playing after. And I didn't have ps+. And it doesn't save much time. The player I know who used it took 900+ hours. The other 100% legit player I know took 1000+ hours with lots of co op. I took 1100+ hours solo.
It might have been patched out but I never verified. There's a possibility that your drops are now predetermined at the start of the cycle so you'll get the same drops. If anyone can verify one way or another I'd appreciate it. If it's true, then any save scum you'd get the same guns and drops and arenas etc every time.
I'm sure this was possible. For dev tools there are many things you need for qa, like spawning items on command. Wouldn't be such a great game & so competent at release. They just didn't patch it out until after release, if they actually did.
As for the drops, it goes by rooms 3-4 in advance of current placement (memory holds 3-4 rooms in advance of your current room, with everything procedurally generated once you enter anew room). I've done a little testing & I know for certain with scum saves items were exactly the same up to 3 or 4 rooms. It could be the entire Biome populates when you begin it, but I didn't take the time to run entire Biomes multiple times. I just did a few small sections of Biome 1. Certainly though, EVERY room, item, Fabricator, glyph, audio log, enemies, chests, parasites, etc. were.
The Fabricators would shift what items inside when it was more than 5 rooms away. So one run it had 3, I don't recall what specifically, but after downloading the save it had all new items (this is the main fab room in Biome 1). That save i did about half Biome 1. Ran through to the Fab room, download save, go again. So I started back at the ship & the Fab room did reset but all the other rooms along the way were the same. It was really weird to see everything the same & made me move on. Really I got bored and just wanted to play the game.
Needs more testing though. Actually have to run the entire Biome while taking pictures, video, notes to compare to a scum save a few times, because i went from memory & I might have not recalled everything. Also, I wasn't paying close attention to every item. I was actually testing some other things like healing & Obolites so item placement (Artifacts, Consumables, etc) were not what I paid attention to. Rooms though was the same layout, but only a few & then the game spawned new rooms. It was only 4, maybe 5 rooms the same.
I think though the game populates a few rooms at a time. This makes sense as often you hit a room with 3 diverging paths, so that's why I'm fairly certain it puts into memory 3-4 rooms in advance as soon as you enter a new room. Once they are in memory everything inside is set. Like I wrote though, I've gotta do more testing.
Also tested other things like healing beds (Inert Reclaimer). Those can fluctuate wildly. I've seen differences in healing up to 33 points of integrity. Also tested the damaging ones & is pretty similar that it's RNG dependant. What else?
I tested Cthonos & it is hard to say. A few times I would get the same item, but most often it was random. One thing to note is that I had unlocked 10 or so items already, so the pool was smaller. One thing I want to test is Sunface Fragments. I'm actually on a new platinum run but I messed up & don't have ps+ on that account...so yeah, wasted like 20 hours thinking I could do some testing.
Lastly, I also am a challenge runner. Beat the game with starting Pistol. Took two tries, but it was on a complete save (gotten all endings, unlocked all items, artifacts, upgrades).... so I decided I need to up the difficulty. Ok, starting Pistol only but zero deaths. Got it first try. Not hard enough! Final one I'm working on is fresh save, starting Pistol only, no deaths... got it 2nd try (and only had to reset because I picked up the Carbine on accident...and your Pistol despawns when you do that). So now I'm working so on that fresh save file to get the secret ending, still zero deaths & starting Pistol. The only exception is I use melee. Bosses are insanely difficult to kill & most take over 5 minutes; two of them over 10 minutes.
All that to ask, are you the same guy who beat the game melee only? Cuz I thought about it & don't think I have the patience (some enemies are just too much hassle to kill, like in Biome 2 & 3 the flying ones... forget that).
I was there once. The only difference is time! I've been playing since shortly after launch. At first I was sure I wouldn't be able to beat the game but it wouldn't let me go and I got hooked.
You'll get there. Don't stress!!! (panic is definitely what killed me here).
I started right after launch too! I am horrible at shooting games. You would think I would get better over time but nope!!!! I've aced many games, this won't be one of them!!!
Take your time , get as many upgrades as you can. I picked the game back up on pc after beating it on ps5 , took me 51 hours to beat the game , game is an absolute blast so I picked it up again cause my pc is way more powerful. Since I had played it before I beat the first biome my first try on pc, 175 fps really fkn beats 60 fps on this game that's for sure.
If you pick up anything with a malfunction on it , make sure you don't pick up one that hurts you whenever you pick up artifacts or you're screwed. I tend to never pick up stuff with a malfunction unless I find the one that detaches and gets rid of the malfunction
I don't know how you play but the way I play I constantly run in a circle in the room and shoot as I go, find I get hit less if I keep going in the same direction. Also don't pick up all health if ya don't need it so ya can go back and get it when ya need it.
Same. It took me a couple weeks to get past phrike. And even longer to get past nemesis in biome 3. When I did - it felt like I won the lottery. Then, I cruised through biomes 4-6 in one run. The game gets easier when god tiers become available on weapons. Load up your Rotgland or Hollowseeker and fucking melt bosses in a minute. This is the way.
Oh, ouch. Good point but IIRC, this can be technically skirted by having an astronaut and "dying" intentionally, get resurrected by it and continuing on. The main FAQ post here has confirmation of someone doing a "zero death" platinum and I believe this was how they did that.
Yeah, save this one for last and throw yourself from a cliff. A few times. Then you still have 0 deaths to any hostiles.
Though. Cliffs are the most dangerous enemy on Atropos....
Yeah, the best solution that we've found is to save that for last, kill yourself by jumping repeatedly off a cliff or standing in a Lazer in a clear arena. That way you still have a perfect KD score in the databanks against every hostile.
If anyone has other ideas or better solutions I'd love to hear it!
I don't think any sane person is going to deny the validity of such a god-tier accomplishment over a technicality like how to get a death trophy at the end of the game. If you really make it that far, you deserve to throw yourself off some cliffs.
The xenoglyphs become.... complete? But documents remain full of redactions. Nevertheless it is, well I don't want to say more for spoilers. The story, digging it out, piecing it together, gathering lore, I love it. I still notice new things in the sequences. Like this save file >!I noticed the TV in the final house sequence was pouring water on the floor.!<
Took me a few months, I remember I was playing for a good 4 hours one day and died at the end and I was about to break my PS5. So didn’t play for a few weeks after that lol.
I am also attempting a deathless platinum. However, I believe there is a scout log that can only be obtained after a death. Even if it is obtained easily after your first death it really kills the dream of having the last thing to do for the platinum be die for the first time
You're simply awesome! I also just made it to biome 3 or so. It's freaking challenging, when you're playing alone and just casually. But I do love the game too since day one. Housemarque is also one of my studios I admire most because their games are so unique and getting you instantly into flow.
As someone who finished all 3 acts without dying and tried to get the plat without dying. You unfortunately can't as at least one of the logs only spawns upon your death, I forget which one but it's a log you get upon waking up. I had to intentionally get killed just for it to spawn, I was a little annoyed.
Yeah, the best strat that I've seen is to save this trophy for last. Then go to a clear arena and throw yourself off a cliff until you die. Then you still keep a perfect KD ratio in the databanks with every hostile.
And welcome back! I was glad to see your comments! I'm recently back in game, this challenge has roped me back in. Did you catch Cave's plat speedrun!? I missed the stream but saw they destroyed the old record!
Thanks, welcome back to you as well then! :D I did not catch any of Cave's plat arc unfortunately, which made me sad because plat is like my specialty so would've been fun to be involved in that 🥲 still catching up on billions of messages and videos lol, looking forward to bringing out the popcorn for that one
Here I am still trying to complete the Crimson Wastes
You got this king remember: That was fucking bullshit where the fuck did that even come from. Why the ever living hell did we think it was a good idea to get DMG on key use.
Just beat this!! My tip… which shouldn’t mean shit to anyone. Defense is more important than offense. Just worry about dodging shit. Shoot all the time, but stop offense to dodge shit.
Dude same . Over 25 hours. Ixion can get fucked
I haven't even made it to the boss yet...uggh
Thoughts and prayers are with you bro 🫡😆
You’re a mad lad for even trying that but respect 🫡
Challenge room on permadeath? Ooookay..
I've seen a lot of OP's posts. He's a bit of a legend 'round these parts. It would be out of character for him NOT to do the challenge rooms even on a blindfolded, upside-down, zero-grav, DDR Dance Mat Controller while being waterboarded at Guantanamo zero death run.
bit presumptive to assume OP is a he 😏
That’s one of the many reasons that keeps me coming back. Just about to break 600 hours, and I still get caught out every so often. I’m trying to collect all artifacts organically without using that cheat people use. Just playing and trying to find rare artifacts. It’ll take me a lifetime to get some like the music box (found 13 times so far). Good luck on your goal though. I keep trying to come up with new ways to challenge myself. Next one I’m thinking is doing the whole game all bosses all rooms with just 1 type of gun without dying. Maybe start with just pistol only run. I’m also keeping tracking track of every artifact I get so I can track the percentages out of 1000 like someone else did. I’m a little over 300 right now.
That's the goal that took me to about 1100 hours! Music box took far longer than anything else. It's a great goal, I know of only one other who completed it, and another one who used save cheats (it only saved them about 200 hours, it wasn't a huge shortcut in the end). From what I've heard early cheat codes filled the wiki but were patched out. I also have a notebook where I recorded drops! And stuff like malfunctions, parasite patterns, challenge room rewards etc. I never recorded flat artifact drops (I remember seeing that though, she was working on completion too. I hope she achieved it!) but I can say most sources don't seem to have music box in their drop pool. Reclaimers, broken fabricators, certain reward pedestals and very rarely xenophaguses, but only those in specific locations like drop rooms or from biome 1.
Yeah, I’ll never use any cheat or save scum ever. This will give me a reason to play this game for years. Check this out though. The reason I started keeping a note on my phone of every artificat I got was because I noticed the weirdest pattern happen. This is the first few I got: AST-AA- 034 - Warped Rubber Ball 022 - Murmuring Cocoon 021 - Unfed Pod 020 - Progenitor Egg 019 - Fractal Nail 018 - Pulsating Mass Skips over 017 because that’s not a collectible Artifact 016 - Xeno-Tech Sight 023 - Sealed Skull 032 - Damaged Toy Robot 006 - Wound Seekers 029 - Childs Watch 004 - Golden Coil 035 - Melted Globe 22-16 is completely in order, then wraps back up to 23. That means I found at least 6 artificats in a row exactly in numerical order. What are the odds of that? Of the 300 entries after those it’s never happened since. Have barely seen 2 consecutive numbers much less 6-7. If that’s coincidence, that’s astounding odds.
What is this cheat you are talking about? Is it to discover them for the first time or to game it so you get what you want from, say a fabricator?
Legend has it, back in alpha or some early version you could plug in a keyboard and enter codes to spawn anything in game. That's how the wiki was filled. Supposedly. Echoes of whispers. Currently there's a save scum method where you can disconnect your game from the cloud save. I don't know specifics but it requires ps+. Anyways the method is gather a ton of obolites, find a broken fabricator, disconnect your save. Run through all your obolites on the fabricator. If you don't get what you're looking for, redownload your save and try again. I might have been tempted but I still was having fun playing. And I kept playing after. And I didn't have ps+. And it doesn't save much time. The player I know who used it took 900+ hours. The other 100% legit player I know took 1000+ hours with lots of co op. I took 1100+ hours solo. It might have been patched out but I never verified. There's a possibility that your drops are now predetermined at the start of the cycle so you'll get the same drops. If anyone can verify one way or another I'd appreciate it. If it's true, then any save scum you'd get the same guns and drops and arenas etc every time.
I'm sure this was possible. For dev tools there are many things you need for qa, like spawning items on command. Wouldn't be such a great game & so competent at release. They just didn't patch it out until after release, if they actually did. As for the drops, it goes by rooms 3-4 in advance of current placement (memory holds 3-4 rooms in advance of your current room, with everything procedurally generated once you enter anew room). I've done a little testing & I know for certain with scum saves items were exactly the same up to 3 or 4 rooms. It could be the entire Biome populates when you begin it, but I didn't take the time to run entire Biomes multiple times. I just did a few small sections of Biome 1. Certainly though, EVERY room, item, Fabricator, glyph, audio log, enemies, chests, parasites, etc. were. The Fabricators would shift what items inside when it was more than 5 rooms away. So one run it had 3, I don't recall what specifically, but after downloading the save it had all new items (this is the main fab room in Biome 1). That save i did about half Biome 1. Ran through to the Fab room, download save, go again. So I started back at the ship & the Fab room did reset but all the other rooms along the way were the same. It was really weird to see everything the same & made me move on. Really I got bored and just wanted to play the game. Needs more testing though. Actually have to run the entire Biome while taking pictures, video, notes to compare to a scum save a few times, because i went from memory & I might have not recalled everything. Also, I wasn't paying close attention to every item. I was actually testing some other things like healing & Obolites so item placement (Artifacts, Consumables, etc) were not what I paid attention to. Rooms though was the same layout, but only a few & then the game spawned new rooms. It was only 4, maybe 5 rooms the same. I think though the game populates a few rooms at a time. This makes sense as often you hit a room with 3 diverging paths, so that's why I'm fairly certain it puts into memory 3-4 rooms in advance as soon as you enter a new room. Once they are in memory everything inside is set. Like I wrote though, I've gotta do more testing. Also tested other things like healing beds (Inert Reclaimer). Those can fluctuate wildly. I've seen differences in healing up to 33 points of integrity. Also tested the damaging ones & is pretty similar that it's RNG dependant. What else? I tested Cthonos & it is hard to say. A few times I would get the same item, but most often it was random. One thing to note is that I had unlocked 10 or so items already, so the pool was smaller. One thing I want to test is Sunface Fragments. I'm actually on a new platinum run but I messed up & don't have ps+ on that account...so yeah, wasted like 20 hours thinking I could do some testing. Lastly, I also am a challenge runner. Beat the game with starting Pistol. Took two tries, but it was on a complete save (gotten all endings, unlocked all items, artifacts, upgrades).... so I decided I need to up the difficulty. Ok, starting Pistol only but zero deaths. Got it first try. Not hard enough! Final one I'm working on is fresh save, starting Pistol only, no deaths... got it 2nd try (and only had to reset because I picked up the Carbine on accident...and your Pistol despawns when you do that). So now I'm working so on that fresh save file to get the secret ending, still zero deaths & starting Pistol. The only exception is I use melee. Bosses are insanely difficult to kill & most take over 5 minutes; two of them over 10 minutes. All that to ask, are you the same guy who beat the game melee only? Cuz I thought about it & don't think I have the patience (some enemies are just too much hassle to kill, like in Biome 2 & 3 the flying ones... forget that).
GL
Can't even get out of biome 1. I suck..... good luck.
I was there once. The only difference is time! I've been playing since shortly after launch. At first I was sure I wouldn't be able to beat the game but it wouldn't let me go and I got hooked. You'll get there. Don't stress!!! (panic is definitely what killed me here).
I started right after launch too! I am horrible at shooting games. You would think I would get better over time but nope!!!! I've aced many games, this won't be one of them!!!
Take your time , get as many upgrades as you can. I picked the game back up on pc after beating it on ps5 , took me 51 hours to beat the game , game is an absolute blast so I picked it up again cause my pc is way more powerful. Since I had played it before I beat the first biome my first try on pc, 175 fps really fkn beats 60 fps on this game that's for sure. If you pick up anything with a malfunction on it , make sure you don't pick up one that hurts you whenever you pick up artifacts or you're screwed. I tend to never pick up stuff with a malfunction unless I find the one that detaches and gets rid of the malfunction
Thank you for the advice. I'm sucking balls through a straw here (!!!), went back to AC Valhallah for a bit but I'm going to try again..
I don't know how you play but the way I play I constantly run in a circle in the room and shoot as I go, find I get hit less if I keep going in the same direction. Also don't pick up all health if ya don't need it so ya can go back and get it when ya need it.
Same. It took me a couple weeks to get past phrike. And even longer to get past nemesis in biome 3. When I did - it felt like I won the lottery. Then, I cruised through biomes 4-6 in one run. The game gets easier when god tiers become available on weapons. Load up your Rotgland or Hollowseeker and fucking melt bosses in a minute. This is the way.
Ok, cool. Thanks for the tips!!
One trophy is dying so
Oh, ouch. Good point but IIRC, this can be technically skirted by having an astronaut and "dying" intentionally, get resurrected by it and continuing on. The main FAQ post here has confirmation of someone doing a "zero death" platinum and I believe this was how they did that.
Also there is a trophy for being resurrected by an artifact or parasite.
Yeah, save this one for last and throw yourself from a cliff. A few times. Then you still have 0 deaths to any hostiles. Though. Cliffs are the most dangerous enemy on Atropos....
Yeah, the best solution that we've found is to save that for last, kill yourself by jumping repeatedly off a cliff or standing in a Lazer in a clear arena. That way you still have a perfect KD score in the databanks against every hostile. If anyone has other ideas or better solutions I'd love to hear it!
I don't think any sane person is going to deny the validity of such a god-tier accomplishment over a technicality like how to get a death trophy at the end of the game. If you really make it that far, you deserve to throw yourself off some cliffs.
Can you complete the game to a point were the error and redacted texts are replaced with complete messages?
The xenoglyphs become.... complete? But documents remain full of redactions. Nevertheless it is, well I don't want to say more for spoilers. The story, digging it out, piecing it together, gathering lore, I love it. I still notice new things in the sequences. Like this save file >!I noticed the TV in the final house sequence was pouring water on the floor.!<
Godspeed, Scout! 🫡
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A hitless or 100% melee platinum would be more impressive
It would! I am not that hero. Maybe 20 years ago (Ha! As if. I was never that good.) But it would be amazing to see someone accomplish that!
I vowed to never play that damn game again once I finished it lmao. Was excellent just extremely frustrating.
I was a one and done. It’s insane how many hours of my life I gave to that.
Took me a few months, I remember I was playing for a good 4 hours one day and died at the end and I was about to break my PS5. So didn’t play for a few weeks after that lol.
1k hours on a single player game? Shit dude - you're stuck in a cycle playing a game about being stuck in a cycle. I do not envy you.
Xenoglyph AST-AX-006 "...Only by moving on can it escape without suffering for eternity"... I'm doomed.
I am also attempting a deathless platinum. However, I believe there is a scout log that can only be obtained after a death. Even if it is obtained easily after your first death it really kills the dream of having the last thing to do for the platinum be die for the first time
I have 3 ciphers to get from biomes 1 and 2. After 44 hours, im so close to getting the platinum!
You're simply awesome! I also just made it to biome 3 or so. It's freaking challenging, when you're playing alone and just casually. But I do love the game too since day one. Housemarque is also one of my studios I admire most because their games are so unique and getting you instantly into flow.
Godspeed on the next attempt, HS!
You should honestly time and record this as a speedrun.
As someone who finished all 3 acts without dying and tried to get the plat without dying. You unfortunately can't as at least one of the logs only spawns upon your death, I forget which one but it's a log you get upon waking up. I had to intentionally get killed just for it to spawn, I was a little annoyed.
Yeah, the best strat that I've seen is to save this trophy for last. Then go to a clear arena and throw yourself off a cliff until you die. Then you still keep a perfect KD ratio in the databanks with every hostile.
I will give it another go
Excited for this new Hollowseeking chapter 🔥🔥🔥 also hi I’m back! or at least starting trying to be lol
And welcome back! I was glad to see your comments! I'm recently back in game, this challenge has roped me back in. Did you catch Cave's plat speedrun!? I missed the stream but saw they destroyed the old record!
Thanks, welcome back to you as well then! :D I did not catch any of Cave's plat arc unfortunately, which made me sad because plat is like my specialty so would've been fun to be involved in that 🥲 still catching up on billions of messages and videos lol, looking forward to bringing out the popcorn for that one