Didn't it come out that Meghan had never let go of her US PR team? If so, the plan to exit was far early than even 6 months. More like the plan to exit was made on the first date.
I think the no plan exit plan was planned from day 1 also. As more info comes out, more people will start to connect the dots. With all that time, and resources they still managed to not have a plan. They thought they were going to be worshiped in the USA. They probably thought they were going to be bombarded by cameras and paparazzi’s. Mind boggling. 😂🤪🤣
I think they were both insanely naive about his income stream from the RF. He never realized it was a gravy train. He took all the money and perks for granted, the way we take the air that we breathe.
Tbf how could he? That’s like asking a fish to describe water. How on earth do you conceptualize something that is so constant in every single second of your existence?
Harry had no clue whatsoever just how privileged he was. And he’s not intelligent enough to figure it out any other way but the hard way.
I agree I think they thought financial independence meant just giving up the sovereign grant which just pays for their running cost as working royals but keeping money from Charles
And her furniture from her rented Toronto townhouse too. People don't keep furniture unless they know they'll have use for it later and I'm sure she had no intention of shipping her Ikea furniture to the UK, because BRF residences come fully furnished, so it's another big hint that she planned to relocate that stuff to wherever she and Henpecked put down roots in the US or Canada.
Doesn’t sound like Meghan. As if she’ll ever REUSE any old piece of furniture or clothing now that she’s a duchess! Her arse will chaff if she’s not sitting on Hermes blankets and Givenchy skirts!
Also in ANY job? When you are a junior? You Never get your own office-You are supposed to become a team player AND learn from your superiors FIRST....these 2 would be only; one shopping and video game playing..≥
This was when I actually started to dislike her and question her motives. At some point, there were articles saying that Harry saw Suits, thought Markle was hot, and told friends he had to meet that woman. Of course this was bullshit, because 1) Suits was a little known show, and 2) Markle is average looking on a good day ( I know others are more generous here than I am). But when I read that, I realized that someone was paying for this garbage to be published and the obvious answer was Megan or her PR team. Was hard to see anything as genuine after that.
They’re trying to be the Beckhams! When David Beckham first saw Victoria on tv, he fell head over heels and declared there and then that he would end up marrying her. And it happened.
Richard Grannon does a great analysis of Meghan & Harry on Shaun Attwood’s YouTube show. He basically said Meghan is a Narc who was constantly rejected. She’s pretty but not pretty enough, she had connections through her dad and then through Trevor but her acting just isn’t good enough and in everything she did, she felt she deserved much more so it was constant rejection. As for Harry, as he said, Dude was lonely.
I also watch Shallon Lester on YouTube and she said if Meghan & Harry moved to LA, she knew that they were full of sh*t, but if they moved to Canada or Africa then they were sincere. But they bailed for LA right as the pandemic was shutting borders and she knew right then Meghan (& her hostage) had planned this.
I’m never surprised by anything skeezy out of those two. I’d be truly shocked if they did anything truly altruistic. I do find it hilariously funny that they had great popularity initially and managed to shred that good will and destroy it forever within hours. Narcs always think victims are lovable. And they do feel like victims when they are told no because, you know, how dare anyone tell them no. They are more awesome & no one is even close to how amazing they are. They 💩💩💩 all over their brand and their connection to the only thing that made them interesting. Boneheads.
I think it was royal reporter Katie Nicholl who said in a video that H saw M on Suits and said that she's hot. Unfortunately, I can't dig that video out of YouTube. It's littered with all those automated voice ones. Katie claims she's speaking to sources close to Royals.
I don't think they were planning to exit because they originally wanted their own royal court and when told no, planned to become half in-half-out royals who collaborate with the Queen until the Queen shut down that plan as well. I think their plan was to have equal royal status to Will and Kate, be working royals on their own terms and merch the monarchy.
I think them wanting to leave, and them wanting their own royal court aren’t necessarily mutual exclusive things.
I think they wanted to be “royalty in America” which is the result of extreme ignorance and a severe lack of market research.
That illusion of equality between the brothers is Saint Diana's fault....it's telling that H never comments on not having equity on the less than optimal parts....he just wants the ups...the pros
The language used can be a bit confusing. In this case its talking about their offices and how different parts of TRF operate independently from each other.
William and Harry had a joint office at KP, Charles offices are Clarence House, The Queen Buckingham Palace and the other working royals operate out of a Joint office at BP.
When William made them split the joint office M/H wanted their own independent office (or court) but the Queen didn't allow this and made then part of the other royals under BP.
The thing I don’t understand is the Queen offered Megs the chance to start married life as a private citizen, so she could continue acting even if she wanted. So it’s such a calculated move from day dot to claim the titles and cash in on the royal connections. Even more despicable.
And she would be in a much better position now had she accepted that offer. The BRF network likely could have gotten her some cushy job in a show of her liking and as actress Meghan Markle she could have gotten endorsement deals without it being too obvious that she's just cashing in on her royal connection. That would have helped her building up her own "brand". Now she's burned and has nothing but a title to throw around.
I'm pretty sure that was offered to megsy as a test because they knew her what she was and it was a test to confirm it. It also was done to protect the BRF so she couldn't in the future rewrite the narrative and say she wasn't allowed to work and that she was forced to be a total and had no choice.
Having said that, the only good thing to come out of Covid was that it totally put a foot deep into the arse of Meghan and Harry's plans. I think they would have had a little more success and longevity at it in the beginning if covid hadn't coincided with their exit. They delay f*cked it up royally for them because they did not get a chance to hit the ground running on their grifting!
Actually Meghan was going to do an interview w/ Oprah BEFORE the wedding. The palace nixed it.
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9330173/Meghan-claims-stopped-Palace-aides-talking-Oprah-Winfrey.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9330173/Meghan-claims-stopped-Palace-aides-talking-Oprah-Winfrey.html)
The later interview was in part payback for the earlier refusal. R
And what would she have talked about BEFORE the wedding? I believe she entered the marriage with an agenda to leave as a victim of a racist institution. I’m 200% sure that was her plan, which was probably intercepted by palace aides, which is why she was invited to Sandrigham Christmas while still only engaged, and that private picture of the Queen and Prince Phillip with Archie, and the limitless, million dollar wardrobe. So that there are never any insinuations of racism on the palace’s part. She wanted to be discriminated against for her race, and she wanted to be able to claim it in some interview so she can permanently become a martyr, like Diana. Unfortunately for her, the most she could get was a second hand story about the potential skin colour of her white kids 😂😂😂
Who knows what she was going to talk about—likely not racism BEFORE the wedding—but certainly gossip. Note: rumor is that at the Sandringham Summit Harry threaten to go public w/ accusations of racism if they didn’t get their half-in/half-out deal. The palace told them to fuck off here & when they finished fucking off here, to go fuck off over there. It took them over a year to make good, but make good they did.
Turns out the palace was correct. Oprah interview not a good idea.
I think she wanted to set one up in Canada (hence all the commonwealth flowers on her veil) but the Canadians got angry about having to pay for the Sussexes' security through taxpayers' money.
When the Canadian government told them they weren't going to get taxpayer funded security, they ran off to California. IMO, they would have stayed in Canada if the Canadian government continued to pay for security. That is where their rival court would have been. Plus it would have made more sense to have the rival court in Canada than in the US.
If they had stayed in Canada, I think their marriage would have been similar to hers and Trevor's marriage where Harry would stay in Canada and Meghan would go to California for whatever, and they would commute to see each other when needed.
You see I don't believe that. Harry has many bad qualities, he's low IQ, selfish, childish and a few other adjectives but I don't think he's conniving, he doesn't have the intelligence for it. I believe Meghan manages to get him to do her bidding by using the kids and threatening to expose his darkest secrets (which I'm sure he has plenty of). He does what she tells him to do.
I'm not going to get into his actual IQ, about which I could not care less, but I don't think this situation rests on that alone.
Do I think Harry really wanted to leave the monarchy? Yes. Do I think he had one little inkling about how that would look? **Hell, no**. Do I think Meghan took advantage of his already resentful need to have his own identity? Yes. But I do believe MM conjured that up out of nowhere? NO. Do I think he would have left without MM? Also no.
But Harry owns his attacks on the family. He knew how they would feel - he was born to it. He also ought to know why things are the way they are - unless you literally have an IQ of nothing, I find it hard to believe that you're born into a family and have zero idea how things are done and why. Might one disagree? Most certainly. But "Oh, did I hurt you?" no, and find it unacceptable.
Personally, unless I hear otherwise, I'm of the opinion these original talks were one of his progressive initiatives, a way to publicly share something, not meant to be the mud slinging they turned into. But do I believe he already had resentments toward the RF? Oh yeah. Do I think he believed he could bank on that popularity and it would see him through? Absolutely.
I don't think he was necessarily planning the exit, but I do think subconsciously he was at a point that was ready to be led out of the monarchy - and he found someone ready, willing, and able to exploit that to her own advantage. Except, none of it worked out.
I will never let H off the hook.
I don't think he's "low IQ"
I'm tired of that narrative,his father is almost regarded as an intellectual, Harry is simply not very verbose. He's a definite type of English person, the type that doesn't shriek "Look how clever I am"
He failed academically. He failed army. He is dominated by muggins and does everything to please her or at least in the early stages of their marriage. Now he does what he's told or else...
I disagree. And not to be nasty. I just genuinely think that he’s not that smart. There’s no shame in that. Not everyone is academic. But because he’s been shielded and protected all his life, his lack of intelligence hasn’t been a barrier to him like it would be to any “regular” person. His teacher famously got fired for cheating on one of his A-Levels for him. He was accepted into Sandhurst for officer training because it’s a royal tradition. He didn’t need to “make the grade” like everyone else. All his life he’s never had to live in the real world. I think his low intelligence and lack of real life experience really do put him at a disadvantage.
I don't think that's true. He and Diana were known as "the Brain and the Beauty" at one point. He has also written things which were received well, though I'm sure his royal status still helps with that.
He's probably not a hidden Einstein, but he seems like a reasonably smart man with an intellectual bent.
It's possible that Harry isn't fundamentally stupid but has just never had to apply his mind. If your situation is such that your teachers are going to cheat to pass you, why bother studying?
I don’t think anyone would have begrudged it if they left or planned to leave at the start of their marriage. However, making it appear as if they were victimized into leaving UK was what angered everyone.
You misunderstood. They were actually married a few days earlier in a garden, just the two of them and the Archbishop of Canterbury. Lol she said that to Oprah and Oprah let it go. What a tool.
That, and the fact that they had the nerve to announce how they were going to be half in/half out royals, or when they unveiled their stupid SussexRoyal plans, to everyone publicly without discussing anything with the Royal Family first. I think things would have been completely different for them if they had sat down with the Queen and her representatives and asked how they can step down from royal life and still support themselves while respecting the monarchy.
I can’t think of any decent celebrity who thinks they can just show up and part waters. Problem is, she, like so many, just see the finished product of others and figure they can do the same. This is why I can never concur that she is a smart person. She isn’t. Not only no plan, but seemingly saw no need for one.
She didn't even move her dogs to England! She put her clothes in storage. They schemed this together. The used Elton Jon, and whoever was their contact with the oligarch who had a mansion in BC. They knew for a long time.
I can't believe I'm going to defend her. The dog was really old and the trip may have killed him, No quarantine but for an old dog to be crated in the belly of plane ... and he went to live with people he liked I would have made the same decision for my dog's sake. I may have read some kool-aid about that and if so I apologize
This is actually stated outright in Finding Freedom. The dog didn’t get on with Harry, according to Scobes. That’s their authorized bio so I accept it as the truth.
If I was engaged to a Prince, my cats would be flying in the private jet with me. I wouldn't be putting my cats in a crate on a regular plane.
Meghan flies with Harry in private jets all the time. There was nothing preventing her from taking her dogs. Also, I heard that her dogs were not old either.
Same. I don’t think Bogart would have survived the trip. He was pretty old, and might not have gotten the health clearance to travel. As it is Guy broke two legs.
I mean, 5 isn’t too old. Cruise ships like the QE2 do dog transport. I’m surprised she didn’t take advantage of that. I think the rumors of him not liking Harry were accurate.
Lady C used to refer to it all the time. While talking about why the Harkles did whatever stupid thing she’d suddenly get the sniffles for minutes at a time … pinching her nose etc. Quite clever to infer cocaine use with an impromptu vignette 😂😂… nothing to sue here.
That’s been a suspicion of mine and others for a long time. I believe they both thought they could change what was set in stone. Too much has leaked and both of them were too damn mad about Williams place in the UK.
Harry would have to have been astoundingly, staggeringly, ignorant about his own royal family history to entertain such a thought. I don’t believe he was that stupid.
Harry’s arrogance and bad decisions the past few years shows he is that stupid. He married a narc with delusions of grandeur, anything was possible he believed with her.
What? Just 'Arry must really have been on a bender coming up with that scheme.
The Byzantine Empire had several co-emperorships. It never worked out well for one of them.
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It was said that the Queen basically gave Harry the ambassadorship to all of the Commonwealth, with the idea that h and m would leave W and C alone in peace.
The queen gave them control of the "Queen's Commonwealth trust" as very small trust. I think it gave away about 100,000 a year. Not the actual Commonwealth. Thats what they were aiming for though.
And then Harry wanted to backtrack and stay which is why we see the jaw clenching in the engagement video and the suicide threat before that opera function.
I'd actually have respect for them as a couple if they appeared to be on the same page. She's done nothing but bring drama and instability to his life while she uses him for fame and fortune.
She was never in love with him. A person truly in love would support their spouse. If she was in love with him she would be content just being. But she wasn’t.
I don't think he was or is in love with Meghan. I think he was in love with the idea of her (he thought she was a popular celebrity in the US, she probably agreed with everything he said, he thought she would be more popular than Kate, etc.).
I personally don't think he was in love with Meghan herself. Someone on YouTube said Harry was a man without a purpose and when he met Meghan, he made her his purpose in life. I believe that.
I also believe Meghan was/is in love with Harry's fame, his title, and his money. Not necessarily him. I think she can't stand him.
>Harry was a man without a purpose and when he met Meghan, he made her his purpose in life.
You know, some people got no choice
And they can never find a voice
To talk with that they can even call their own.
So the first thing that they see
That allows them the right to be,
Why they follow it -
it's called bad luck.
They were never going to stay. The plan was always to move to the US, and still come back for the glamour events. It was so obvious to me I don’t know how it isn’t to everyone else.
I can’t agree that leaving was their/her plan all along because everyone says she was really trying to bag a Brit. Why would that have been her goal if she just wanted to hightail back to the states asap?
I have thought about it. Once she was engaged and definitely part of the RF, she thought up a plan, she was smarter, she was going to merch their royalty in her own way and to hell with the queen.
She desperately craved fame, that’s why she married Harry in the first place. Wealth, too, but I believe her basic motivation was the worldwide, instant fame.
Didn't it come out that Meghan had never let go of her US PR team? If so, the plan to exit was far early than even 6 months. More like the plan to exit was made on the first date.
I think the no plan exit plan was planned from day 1 also. As more info comes out, more people will start to connect the dots. With all that time, and resources they still managed to not have a plan. They thought they were going to be worshiped in the USA. They probably thought they were going to be bombarded by cameras and paparazzi’s. Mind boggling. 😂🤪🤣
I think they were both insanely naive about his income stream from the RF. He never realized it was a gravy train. He took all the money and perks for granted, the way we take the air that we breathe.
Tbf how could he? That’s like asking a fish to describe water. How on earth do you conceptualize something that is so constant in every single second of your existence? Harry had no clue whatsoever just how privileged he was. And he’s not intelligent enough to figure it out any other way but the hard way.
Absolutely this. Couldn’t have said it better.
I agree I think they thought financial independence meant just giving up the sovereign grant which just pays for their running cost as working royals but keeping money from Charles
And kept her clothes in storage in Canada. So much for “Sayonara Zara”…
And her furniture from her rented Toronto townhouse too. People don't keep furniture unless they know they'll have use for it later and I'm sure she had no intention of shipping her Ikea furniture to the UK, because BRF residences come fully furnished, so it's another big hint that she planned to relocate that stuff to wherever she and Henpecked put down roots in the US or Canada.
Doesn’t sound like Meghan. As if she’ll ever REUSE any old piece of furniture or clothing now that she’s a duchess! Her arse will chaff if she’s not sitting on Hermes blankets and Givenchy skirts!
Her ass is chapped no matter what, so what does it matter, lol. She's always got her bunnies in a bunch about something.
Yep
Also in ANY job? When you are a junior? You Never get your own office-You are supposed to become a team player AND learn from your superiors FIRST....these 2 would be only; one shopping and video game playing..≥
This was when I actually started to dislike her and question her motives. At some point, there were articles saying that Harry saw Suits, thought Markle was hot, and told friends he had to meet that woman. Of course this was bullshit, because 1) Suits was a little known show, and 2) Markle is average looking on a good day ( I know others are more generous here than I am). But when I read that, I realized that someone was paying for this garbage to be published and the obvious answer was Megan or her PR team. Was hard to see anything as genuine after that.
This is how I first heard it as well, harry was a fan of suits and had to meet her...bullshit. Their story has changed so much its hard to keep track
They’re trying to be the Beckhams! When David Beckham first saw Victoria on tv, he fell head over heels and declared there and then that he would end up marrying her. And it happened.
Yeah i mean she's very pretty, but amongst Hollywood actresses she's not memorably beautiful. How they thought that story was believable is baffling.
Richard Grannon does a great analysis of Meghan & Harry on Shaun Attwood’s YouTube show. He basically said Meghan is a Narc who was constantly rejected. She’s pretty but not pretty enough, she had connections through her dad and then through Trevor but her acting just isn’t good enough and in everything she did, she felt she deserved much more so it was constant rejection. As for Harry, as he said, Dude was lonely. I also watch Shallon Lester on YouTube and she said if Meghan & Harry moved to LA, she knew that they were full of sh*t, but if they moved to Canada or Africa then they were sincere. But they bailed for LA right as the pandemic was shutting borders and she knew right then Meghan (& her hostage) had planned this. I’m never surprised by anything skeezy out of those two. I’d be truly shocked if they did anything truly altruistic. I do find it hilariously funny that they had great popularity initially and managed to shred that good will and destroy it forever within hours. Narcs always think victims are lovable. And they do feel like victims when they are told no because, you know, how dare anyone tell them no. They are more awesome & no one is even close to how amazing they are. They 💩💩💩 all over their brand and their connection to the only thing that made them interesting. Boneheads.
I think it was royal reporter Katie Nicholl who said in a video that H saw M on Suits and said that she's hot. Unfortunately, I can't dig that video out of YouTube. It's littered with all those automated voice ones. Katie claims she's speaking to sources close to Royals.
Yup spot on, she's very meh, she's a plain Jane, I was supportive of her until the O bombshell interview. Then I sussed it out.
Meghan looks like a man to me.
>her US PR team That would be [email protected]
I don't think they were planning to exit because they originally wanted their own royal court and when told no, planned to become half in-half-out royals who collaborate with the Queen until the Queen shut down that plan as well. I think their plan was to have equal royal status to Will and Kate, be working royals on their own terms and merch the monarchy.
I think them wanting to leave, and them wanting their own royal court aren’t necessarily mutual exclusive things. I think they wanted to be “royalty in America” which is the result of extreme ignorance and a severe lack of market research.
That illusion of equality between the brothers is Saint Diana's fault....it's telling that H never comments on not having equity on the less than optimal parts....he just wants the ups...the pros
Their own royal court? I don't understand what that means. I thought there is THE Royal Court - as in, only one. Am I wrong? 🤷🏽♀️
The language used can be a bit confusing. In this case its talking about their offices and how different parts of TRF operate independently from each other. William and Harry had a joint office at KP, Charles offices are Clarence House, The Queen Buckingham Palace and the other working royals operate out of a Joint office at BP. When William made them split the joint office M/H wanted their own independent office (or court) but the Queen didn't allow this and made then part of the other royals under BP.
Ah ok, thank you! I was confused.🙃
The thing I don’t understand is the Queen offered Megs the chance to start married life as a private citizen, so she could continue acting even if she wanted. So it’s such a calculated move from day dot to claim the titles and cash in on the royal connections. Even more despicable.
HMTQ did literally everything to accommodate.
Pretty much all about the titles. She only married Harry for the titles and never wanted to do the mundane stuff. Grifters will grift.
Not just the titles. I think it was the money too.
And she would be in a much better position now had she accepted that offer. The BRF network likely could have gotten her some cushy job in a show of her liking and as actress Meghan Markle she could have gotten endorsement deals without it being too obvious that she's just cashing in on her royal connection. That would have helped her building up her own "brand". Now she's burned and has nothing but a title to throw around.
Yep!!
I'm pretty sure that was offered to megsy as a test because they knew her what she was and it was a test to confirm it. It also was done to protect the BRF so she couldn't in the future rewrite the narrative and say she wasn't allowed to work and that she was forced to be a total and had no choice. Having said that, the only good thing to come out of Covid was that it totally put a foot deep into the arse of Meghan and Harry's plans. I think they would have had a little more success and longevity at it in the beginning if covid hadn't coincided with their exit. They delay f*cked it up royally for them because they did not get a chance to hit the ground running on their grifting!
In the O interview they made it sound like the RF wanted her to work to support the RF. They grossly overestimated their equity. They are both fools.
when in relation to lockdown march 2021 did they arrive in CA
Actually Meghan was going to do an interview w/ Oprah BEFORE the wedding. The palace nixed it. [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9330173/Meghan-claims-stopped-Palace-aides-talking-Oprah-Winfrey.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9330173/Meghan-claims-stopped-Palace-aides-talking-Oprah-Winfrey.html) The later interview was in part payback for the earlier refusal. R
And what would she have talked about BEFORE the wedding? I believe she entered the marriage with an agenda to leave as a victim of a racist institution. I’m 200% sure that was her plan, which was probably intercepted by palace aides, which is why she was invited to Sandrigham Christmas while still only engaged, and that private picture of the Queen and Prince Phillip with Archie, and the limitless, million dollar wardrobe. So that there are never any insinuations of racism on the palace’s part. She wanted to be discriminated against for her race, and she wanted to be able to claim it in some interview so she can permanently become a martyr, like Diana. Unfortunately for her, the most she could get was a second hand story about the potential skin colour of her white kids 😂😂😂
She didn't realise that in the UK your colour is described by looking at you. She is white.
About their romance and about what she expected from her Royal life. M is never silent or silenced.
Who knows what she was going to talk about—likely not racism BEFORE the wedding—but certainly gossip. Note: rumor is that at the Sandringham Summit Harry threaten to go public w/ accusations of racism if they didn’t get their half-in/half-out deal. The palace told them to fuck off here & when they finished fucking off here, to go fuck off over there. It took them over a year to make good, but make good they did. Turns out the palace was correct. Oprah interview not a good idea.
She really though she was setting up a rival court in the USA. Wow she must have been on a multitude of drugs to even fathom that !
I think she wanted to set one up in Canada (hence all the commonwealth flowers on her veil) but the Canadians got angry about having to pay for the Sussexes' security through taxpayers' money. When the Canadian government told them they weren't going to get taxpayer funded security, they ran off to California. IMO, they would have stayed in Canada if the Canadian government continued to pay for security. That is where their rival court would have been. Plus it would have made more sense to have the rival court in Canada than in the US. If they had stayed in Canada, I think their marriage would have been similar to hers and Trevor's marriage where Harry would stay in Canada and Meghan would go to California for whatever, and they would commute to see each other when needed.
Harry's just as guilty. I'm so tired of it only being MM. He's as big a phoney as she is.
He’s worse. Much worse. She ignores her family. He keeps attacking his even after giving the little shit a gravy train life and a “hero” pr profile.
You see I don't believe that. Harry has many bad qualities, he's low IQ, selfish, childish and a few other adjectives but I don't think he's conniving, he doesn't have the intelligence for it. I believe Meghan manages to get him to do her bidding by using the kids and threatening to expose his darkest secrets (which I'm sure he has plenty of). He does what she tells him to do.
I'm not going to get into his actual IQ, about which I could not care less, but I don't think this situation rests on that alone. Do I think Harry really wanted to leave the monarchy? Yes. Do I think he had one little inkling about how that would look? **Hell, no**. Do I think Meghan took advantage of his already resentful need to have his own identity? Yes. But I do believe MM conjured that up out of nowhere? NO. Do I think he would have left without MM? Also no. But Harry owns his attacks on the family. He knew how they would feel - he was born to it. He also ought to know why things are the way they are - unless you literally have an IQ of nothing, I find it hard to believe that you're born into a family and have zero idea how things are done and why. Might one disagree? Most certainly. But "Oh, did I hurt you?" no, and find it unacceptable. Personally, unless I hear otherwise, I'm of the opinion these original talks were one of his progressive initiatives, a way to publicly share something, not meant to be the mud slinging they turned into. But do I believe he already had resentments toward the RF? Oh yeah. Do I think he believed he could bank on that popularity and it would see him through? Absolutely. I don't think he was necessarily planning the exit, but I do think subconsciously he was at a point that was ready to be led out of the monarchy - and he found someone ready, willing, and able to exploit that to her own advantage. Except, none of it worked out. I will never let H off the hook.
I’m with you on this!
I don't think he's "low IQ" I'm tired of that narrative,his father is almost regarded as an intellectual, Harry is simply not very verbose. He's a definite type of English person, the type that doesn't shriek "Look how clever I am"
He failed academically. He failed army. He is dominated by muggins and does everything to please her or at least in the early stages of their marriage. Now he does what he's told or else...
"failing" things doesn't make someone "low IQ" I failed everything while still being the sharpest knife in the block.
I disagree. And not to be nasty. I just genuinely think that he’s not that smart. There’s no shame in that. Not everyone is academic. But because he’s been shielded and protected all his life, his lack of intelligence hasn’t been a barrier to him like it would be to any “regular” person. His teacher famously got fired for cheating on one of his A-Levels for him. He was accepted into Sandhurst for officer training because it’s a royal tradition. He didn’t need to “make the grade” like everyone else. All his life he’s never had to live in the real world. I think his low intelligence and lack of real life experience really do put him at a disadvantage.
I think Charles is the only person who regards Charles as an intellectual!
I don't think that's true. He and Diana were known as "the Brain and the Beauty" at one point. He has also written things which were received well, though I'm sure his royal status still helps with that. He's probably not a hidden Einstein, but he seems like a reasonably smart man with an intellectual bent. It's possible that Harry isn't fundamentally stupid but has just never had to apply his mind. If your situation is such that your teachers are going to cheat to pass you, why bother studying?
I don’t think anyone would have begrudged it if they left or planned to leave at the start of their marriage. However, making it appear as if they were victimized into leaving UK was what angered everyone.
British taxpayers, who forked out for the "spectacle" 30 million dollar wedding might disagree
You misunderstood. They were actually married a few days earlier in a garden, just the two of them and the Archbishop of Canterbury. Lol she said that to Oprah and Oprah let it go. What a tool.
Oh that's right. The wedding before the wedding. What a fool Oprah is and the whole (intelligent) world knows it.
Oprah did lose credibility. Of course she was always more entertainment than hard news.
Oh yeah, I didn’t think about this one. Why they would need an over-the-top wedding, I’d never know.
This is megs we are talking about and megs doesn't turn down the offer of a $30 million dollar wedding and all the reflected glory
One that she *demanded* cost at least as much as William and Kate's
That, and the fact that they had the nerve to announce how they were going to be half in/half out royals, or when they unveiled their stupid SussexRoyal plans, to everyone publicly without discussing anything with the Royal Family first. I think things would have been completely different for them if they had sat down with the Queen and her representatives and asked how they can step down from royal life and still support themselves while respecting the monarchy.
Like Asking the Queen? About 'possibly' naming their kid....lillibeth? so disrespectful...
And they should have refused the titles.
I can’t think of any decent celebrity who thinks they can just show up and part waters. Problem is, she, like so many, just see the finished product of others and figure they can do the same. This is why I can never concur that she is a smart person. She isn’t. Not only no plan, but seemingly saw no need for one.
She didn't even move her dogs to England! She put her clothes in storage. They schemed this together. The used Elton Jon, and whoever was their contact with the oligarch who had a mansion in BC. They knew for a long time.
I can't believe I'm going to defend her. The dog was really old and the trip may have killed him, No quarantine but for an old dog to be crated in the belly of plane ... and he went to live with people he liked I would have made the same decision for my dog's sake. I may have read some kool-aid about that and if so I apologize
>old dog to be crated in the belly of pla When you fly private the dog is in the cabin.
The dogs left and went to Vancouver and then LA. Geez! she flew private.
The dog was 5 and rumoured to not like harry
This is actually stated outright in Finding Freedom. The dog didn’t get on with Harry, according to Scobes. That’s their authorized bio so I accept it as the truth.
If I was engaged to a Prince, my cats would be flying in the private jet with me. I wouldn't be putting my cats in a crate on a regular plane. Meghan flies with Harry in private jets all the time. There was nothing preventing her from taking her dogs. Also, I heard that her dogs were not old either.
Don't feel bad. I've had to defend her at times too. Sometimes even shitty ppl do things that anyone else would to. Not every move is malicious
Same. I don’t think Bogart would have survived the trip. He was pretty old, and might not have gotten the health clearance to travel. As it is Guy broke two legs.
I mean, 5 isn’t too old. Cruise ships like the QE2 do dog transport. I’m surprised she didn’t take advantage of that. I think the rumors of him not liking Harry were accurate.
Broke both legs? It makes you wonder about the welfare of those two kids
Not sure how it happened, but M was supposedly agitated about it. I suppose if Guy traveled in a crate it could’ve occurred…
I’m what world is 5 old for a dog?
Not sure about Bogart’s age. He’s a rescue dog so his age might not be known.
I think I read that the person who set up the Canadian mansion was David Foster.
He knows the russian oligarch ? Interesting.
I think Foster said he didn't know the oligarch personally but arranged it through his attorney who also represents the oligarch.
Did I read that right? Harry wanted to be co-king with his brother. William would get the UK and Harry would take the rest?
Cocaine is one hell of a drug.
I just heard something about her cocaine use on You Tube. Interesting. Now I wish I had been paying attention.
Lady C used to refer to it all the time. While talking about why the Harkles did whatever stupid thing she’d suddenly get the sniffles for minutes at a time … pinching her nose etc. Quite clever to infer cocaine use with an impromptu vignette 😂😂… nothing to sue here.
The part I heard was mentioning cocaine nicknames, one of which is-Pearl!
That’s been a suspicion of mine and others for a long time. I believe they both thought they could change what was set in stone. Too much has leaked and both of them were too damn mad about Williams place in the UK.
Harry would have to have been astoundingly, staggeringly, ignorant about his own royal family history to entertain such a thought. I don’t believe he was that stupid.
Harry’s arrogance and bad decisions the past few years shows he is that stupid. He married a narc with delusions of grandeur, anything was possible he believed with her.
What? Just 'Arry must really have been on a bender coming up with that scheme. The Byzantine Empire had several co-emperorships. It never worked out well for one of them. (Edited)
Oscar Martinez on The Office said it well - “Where would Catholicism be without the popes?”
It was said that the Queen basically gave Harry the ambassadorship to all of the Commonwealth, with the idea that h and m would leave W and C alone in peace.
The queen gave them control of the "Queen's Commonwealth trust" as very small trust. I think it gave away about 100,000 a year. Not the actual Commonwealth. Thats what they were aiming for though.
I’ve also heard that before leaving, Harry reportedly asked for half of the Duchy of Cornwall’s profits when William became POW. I can well believe it
A different direction...fine. Financial independence...fine. Privacy...fine. EXCEPT...they did NONE of those!!
Megs would have made a potential exit strategy a condition on her accepting the marriage proposal
And then Harry wanted to backtrack and stay which is why we see the jaw clenching in the engagement video and the suicide threat before that opera function. I'd actually have respect for them as a couple if they appeared to be on the same page. She's done nothing but bring drama and instability to his life while she uses him for fame and fortune.
She was never in love with him. A person truly in love would support their spouse. If she was in love with him she would be content just being. But she wasn’t.
I don't think he was or is in love with Meghan. I think he was in love with the idea of her (he thought she was a popular celebrity in the US, she probably agreed with everything he said, he thought she would be more popular than Kate, etc.). I personally don't think he was in love with Meghan herself. Someone on YouTube said Harry was a man without a purpose and when he met Meghan, he made her his purpose in life. I believe that. I also believe Meghan was/is in love with Harry's fame, his title, and his money. Not necessarily him. I think she can't stand him.
>Harry was a man without a purpose and when he met Meghan, he made her his purpose in life. You know, some people got no choice And they can never find a voice To talk with that they can even call their own. So the first thing that they see That allows them the right to be, Why they follow it - it's called bad luck.
They were never going to stay. The plan was always to move to the US, and still come back for the glamour events. It was so obvious to me I don’t know how it isn’t to everyone else.
I can’t agree that leaving was their/her plan all along because everyone says she was really trying to bag a Brit. Why would that have been her goal if she just wanted to hightail back to the states asap?
I have thought about it. Once she was engaged and definitely part of the RF, she thought up a plan, she was smarter, she was going to merch their royalty in her own way and to hell with the queen.
She desperately craved fame, that’s why she married Harry in the first place. Wealth, too, but I believe her basic motivation was the worldwide, instant fame.
And now she's as infamous as Wallis Simpson. Way to shoot for the stars but land with a thud, Pegs!🙄
That is a great question, I just can’t believe their stupidity. If they had given it 10 years in the Royal family the sky would’ve been the limit
Because it's Prince Harry! She still would have married a Prince!
Good point.
I want a true crime style of documentary of Megxit asap.