What does that even mean? Is it supposed to be āin the *here* of Sugarhouse?ā Iāve never even heard that kind of phrase before. Does it mean like āthis is where itās happening in Sugarhouse?ā Thatās kind of the context I infer from it.
Sugarhouse is a pricy area, that's definitely adding a few tens of thousands.
I've noticed many of the houses for sale around me haven't been selling nearly as fast as they used to. They've been on the market for upwards of a month. I don't think the market is reversing yet, but at least it's not a supercharged sellers market anymore.
Those cash offers are mostly hedge fund Wall Street/investor vultures. Regular folks who had the means adapted to do the same, but they were the minority.
Yeah, I don't think they're all "big vultures" but definitely a lot of people out there with lots of rental properties that leverage the existing properties to buy with cash or at least offer massive percentages of the purchase in cash.
No. A friend of mine sold in Lehi for $600k just before the pandemic and was a bidding war that drove it to $750k. I sold a year ago at $400k for very basic townhome and had offers in days and was sold in a couple weeks.
Also EVERYTHING is in the 100s of thousands. Even Condos.
This is the sign of a truly poor flip. They put make up on a pig on the inside and the outside still looks like shit.
I have a feeling itās going to sit on the market much longer than it already has. Donāt get me wrong houses in general have gone up quite dramatically but this person is truly doing something VERY dishonest. Hopefully every stays away and forces them to drop the price.
the longer i have been looking at homes the more I hate the fake wood lanolium floors. every single overpriced house flip uses the same 3 prints of it.
SLCounty is so bad at this! In the 1970s every builder was like split entry, f yeah. Then the 1980-90s stucco everywhere. In the 2000s faux old european. Now itās flat roofs painted black. Black! Why would you paint your house black in one of the hottest places?
It's the same garage all sugarhouse 1910-1920's homes have. It's almost as if half of the people in these comments don't know what they're talking about
My wife and I are buying a house in Florida so Iāve been paying attention to the market more down there (rented my entire life). I *just* saw the same basic stuff in a listing. 4 bed, 3 bath, 2700 sq ft. WATERFRONT. Not directly the gulf ocean, but still on the bay. With a fucking dock. $359k. Less than 40% of this. I know more goes into value obviously than rooms/sq footage, but dudeā¦ Salt Lake is absolutely fucking insane.
Thatās a few blocks from some friends of ours. The house next to them sold for 1.5 M last year. Suddenly they didnāt want us parking our bus in their driveway. They specifically said they didnāt want to upset the new (rich) neighbors. Weāre not even poor. Hubs makes 6 figures but suddenly we felt like their poor friends they were ashamed of or smth.
Not a good analogy, since sleeping on someoneās couch means that youāll be using their bathroom, kitchen, etc. and will be seeing each other on the daily. Not the case with parking on the driveway. If anything it would be like storing your couch on their basementā¦
So I donāt think boundaries were pushed unless they asked to park their bus there for a day or two and itās been 6 months. Then sure, thatās taking advantage.
That been said, I think the implication for the reason they have itās whatās messed up. āWe care more about what our neighbor thinks, than helping youā¦also, your bus itās embarrassing and I donāt want to be associated with it.ā If they were my friends and I needed the bus gone, I wouldāve said it in a way that didnāt made them feel bad (even if itās my driveway and I have no reason to give an explanation). Thatās my point.
They enthusiastically invited us to stay with them, in their guest room in their home, during our twice a year visits to SLC. We were still invited to stay and be their guests, they just wanted the bus parked elsewhere and specifically said it was due to the house next door selling for three times what the other houses on the block were valued at. This has nothing to do with couch surfing or taking advantage of friendship. Weāve been invited (and asked to come back) to many friends homes around the country. And weāve hosted others at our home. Thereās nothing abnormal about this.
Who said we parked it regularly in a friendās driveway?
You ask why we own a bus? Simple, we bought a Winnebago Travato in 2017 (brand new for $80,000 cash, thank you) and discovered that RVs as a rule are made of toothpicks and cardboard, the warranties are crap and if you do get in for warranty work, it can end up sitting in a shop for months on end so good luck actually using it. And that was before Covid made the RV industry exponentially worse. As well, most of them (at least at that time) were not made for off grid camping (adequate solar and large 75+ gallon tanks) and require hookups to run anything. We wanted to explore remote areas and not be tied to campgrounds. We were enamored with the Skoolie community and decided to build our own since we have the skills to do it well.
But the best part of owning and traveling in a Skoolie is being able to instantly identify shallow jerks who makes knee jerk assumptions and comments about us being poor, homeless, hippies, etc. Or assume that weāre freeloaders who want to park our bus regularly in our friendās driveway. š What a strange assumption. We were enthusiastically encouraged to stay with them the twice a year we traveled through SLC. We met our friends while traveling and they also had an open invitation to park their rig in our driveway if they visited Georgia but they donāt usually travel east of the Mississippi. But itās quite common to extend an invitation to fellow travelers to use your driveway and visit if theyāre in your neck of the woods. And weāve enjoyed having many invitations across the country to stop and visit friends while on the road.
I realize that you see a lot of poorly built buses and run down RVs in the salt lake area. Those people look at our bus and know we are not in the same income bracket. There is a well to do contingent in the Skoolie community that travel in buses rather than RVs because theyāre so much nicer when built well. Sadly, most of the people with money try to buy their way into Skoolie ownership and unfortunately Skoolie builders have as bad a reputation as RV manufacturers. But if youāve got the skill, talent, funds and time to diy, you can have a very nice rig indeed.
I refuse to ever buy another RV. Theyāre junk and the manufacturers are predators pushing out low quality rigs that often have multiple broken items and āwe oweā warranty repairs required before they are even driven off the lot. Then you have to take a short shakedown trip to see what else breaks during your first trip before you go out for any length of time.
Whether or not you think itās normal to own a bus is really beside the point. I suspect you know very little about the subject beyond your assumptions.
You talk as if you are so well off. 6 figures isn't as impressive as it once was and you only mention your husband so does that mean you don't have any income? If so that 6 figure income between 2 people becomes pretty average for a household.
Youāre right; we arenāt rich. Although, compared to the average person, we are certainly well off. Were he still working full time, heād be earning in the low 300s. As it is, he makes six figures working 25 hours a week, giving us an excellent quality of life and abundant free time to travel and pursue our interests. We also do not have any debt other than a small car loan to keep the credit score high, which means our income goes further than the average household. We have significant retirement and personal savings thanks to 20+ years full time in his profession. I believe there was a time he was saving 18% of his income in 401k thanks to generous company matching. Heās also been 100% remote since 2009 so even when he was working full time, we had more free time thanks to no commute and flexibility with his working hours. We have excellent health insurance, significant life insurance, full coverage on the vehicles, all at reasonable prices since we donāt drink, donāt smoke, have never had an accident and have both gone more than 20 years without a ticket. In other words, making good decisions reaps additional financial benefits. We donāt pinch pennies. We eat well and enjoy cooking supper from scratch together every night. We have traveled extensively. We have extra to treat the kids and grandkids. We can and do spend a fair amount on our hobbies.
Tell me, on what planet does this not qualify as well off? Itās not a brag at all. Iām deeply grateful for all of it. I feel incredibly well off. But this is not average by any means. Itās deeply privileged, and it would be even if he made significantly less than he does. We have both financial freedom and freedom with our time, individually and to spend together. That is well off by any reasonable definition. If theyāre lucky, people get to enjoy this in their retirement, not in their late 40s and early 50s.
I don't have anything to add, I just wonder why I can't form coherent sentences with proper punctuation and grammar like you do.
Then again, I disappointed every English teacher in my life by not doing homework
I feel sorry for folks who limit themselves to what they think is normal. Itās so much healthier and more fulfilling to just be yourself. Life is too short to worry about being perceived as normal.
Normal means typical, within statistical norms. Most Americans do not own buses. This isn't a slight against your creativity. It turns out this poster does not own a bus either. They own a van.
The vast majority of people would not want their friend camping out in their driveway more than once in a blue moon or else they would cease to be friends. I posit this as a more likely explanation than their friend getting uppity due to a rise in neighborhood property values.
Iām really confused by this idea that I own a van. The context was all provided. We did own a van. And with that, we discovered that RVs are built like crap. So we decided to build out a bus instead. Itās nicer than that āluxury touring vanā as Winnebago calls them by miles.
We came through Salt Lake twice a year before we moved here. Thatās pretty much the definition of once in a blue moon.
I looked it up; at 11% household ownership (which is a record high this year) most Americans do not own RVs either. By your definition, RV ownership is āabnormalā.
Tbf some neighbors can make life a living hell over something like that if theyāre pissed enough. Not enough context to judge but I could see your friendās perspective of wanting to keep the peace. Especially in a house I assume they couldnāt afford in todayās market at todayās rates.
I am sure that was something that crossed their mind since they did not know the new owners yet. And now that we live here we donāt need a place to park while traveling through so it hasnāt come up since then to see if anything changed since they got to know the new owners.
Itās not definitive of our friendship with them overall. If it were, we wouldnāt still be friends. And Iāve heard nothing but nice things about the new neighbors.
Hate the white. I did my living room in classic French buttercream, lighter ceiling for 20 years, got sick of the bright light here in SLC, so went nuts and did the whole thing in dark hunter green, like a cool English library..itās nice..
The one on Zillow is after the 45% primary residential exemption reduction. Full market value assessed in 2023 is $729,100 (before remodeling). Most people consider Sugar House as a desirable location - itās just supply and demand.
https://slco.org/property-tax/notice-of-valuation/lookup/
Things have changed. I remember when e-trade and others made buying stock cheap and accessible. Now anyone can trade options. Big democratization of tools over the years.
The other thing that has changed is knowing what fields make and how to get into them. There is good work to be done in most sectors. Walmart will train people to drive their trucks and pay you 110k the first year. I just donāt remember this kind of thing a decade ago. https://corporate.walmart.com/news/2022/04/07/drive-in-opportunity-walmart-raises-driver-pay-and-launches-private-fleet-development-program
Things have changed.
Itās tough because yes, itās expensive, but really I feel like we as people need to ALSO start demanding higher pay from our employers. The top of the wealth bracket have increased their total wealth like 3x in the last few years. And this is after a decade of stagnant pay.
Yeah itās funny because prices skyrocketed due to CEOs realizing they could get away with making the same products and charging more. Sometimes even using less material, etc or having less employees while still inflating their own salaries: all the while claiming pay raises would drive price hikes
Yeah, my partner and I were going to start looking to buy at the end of this year but we decided to put it off another year š calculating it out, renting will save us big money right now... The housing here is nuts, and we were even looking outside of SLC proper in some of the cheaper areas and we still can't afford it and we make decent money.
Looks like someone bought it last year for $735k, tried to quickly flip it for $1.1M, and has been clawing back on the price ever since. Good, I hope they lose money.
I haven't read every comment but this has been on zillow for 4 months. This is an eternity in today's market... it's over priced by a fair margin. Housing is still expensive even in a prime location, but that isn't a 900k house.
Not sure if this is still true, but when we bought 3 years ago, the utah mls didnt hit all downstream services equally at the same time. Our realtor set us up with a "utah real estate app" that had more listings and recent sales than we could see on zillow or redfin. I forget what additional info you could see... comps on recent sales maybe? But our realtor was required to yank our log in after our sale completed. Utah has wierd privacy laws.
1943..wiring probably never updated..and those of us who bought 25 years ago canāt capitalize on the higher resale, because to buy back in, youād have to go down in size and quality..itās sad..my next door neighbor in 33rd and 33rd area got 50k over asking, like 650..original prices were below 200, well below..
I am a realtor. This is a pretty expensive area to be honest and people will pay to be in that area. This same price can get you a lot bigger homes in different areas of Salt Lake County.
For real. This post makes people looking for homes look bad. This is driving to the place with million dollar homes, pointing at them at complaining about the price of a LARGE 3/4 2,700 sq ft fully remodeled home.
Looking around, I found easily two dozen homes from Spanish fork, to Tooele, to Bountiful, Price, Ogden and Logan (so all over, take you pick) that were about half the price for the same size and bedrooms.
Now, those prices still suck. $450k is still a pain in the ass to try to afford. But thatās a reasonable discussion about approachable options, not whinging about the fact they canāt afford a damn Lamborghini as their commuter car. And itās STILL for an overly large home.
Well, oversized Iād believe, it is definitely large, but I donāt know that Iād call it ugly. Itās absolutely an aesthetic many find desirable.
But yeah, what I DONāT find, is that someone who goes to the expensive, trendy, desirable part of the city, finds a house that is larger than normal and fully remodeled, and complains about house prices, is engaging in the discussion in any meaningful way. It feels disingenuous, and feels like a āI can complain tooā ask for attention. Which perpetuates an incorrect social perception about the problem with housing, which THIS HOUSE IS NOT INDICATIVE OF. :)
certainly an attention rage bait post. IMO this is a lipstick "remodel" I would consider it more an cosmetic updating(ish)? idk.
it looks like a home I'd buy in the bad part of town in New Orleans except "renovated" lol
Yeah, I agree, this feels more about complaining that the type of dream home this person wants, in the dream neighborhood, now seems unachievable and unapproachable.
Thatās a problem with expectations more than market. But comments sections thrive off this shit, lol.
down town slc like 1500 a month for a 1 bdr apartment. Im trying to stay positive but god damnā¦.. long story short my car was stolen. I need a place thats close to where i work. Im about to be rent broke for the foreseeable future.
My wife and I bought a townhouse in 2021 and between our low interest rate and the fact that itās sensibly designed and well built, we are never moving out. Weāve looked at a few places like this over the last couple years and inevitably weād be doubling our payment for a crappy old house with no closets. No thank you.
I love how renovations these days are pretty much just stripping homes of their soul. Congratulations, it looks like a low dollar Airbnb, not even one of the cool, well designed ones.
meh, it's a flip and they started at 1.1 million and it's been sitting on the market for a *while*. This house isn't really representative of the current market except that it's still too expensive
List price only tells a fraction of the story though. You could list a studio condo for $5 million if you wanted to. The real story is sale price and time on the market. A house is only actually worth what someone will pay. Anything else is conjecture.
Again, youāre looking at list price. Sale price and days on market are what actually determines the price of an area. Price pins on a map also mean zero about whether that house is worth the list prices around it. This is why realtors and appraisers get paid to search for comps. The houses on the map could be on a completely different lot size, have a two car garage instead, could be newer or older etc. Those dots on a map are useless data because they have no context. You can say 700s is a typical list price in the area but thatās all.
Might be the worst time to buy a home in like 50-70 years too. It's also cheaper to rent today by a big margin awhile renting #'s are actually declining because the economy is slowing.
Someone buys an old house with outdated interior and āupdatesā everything inside (cheaply) to fit modern trends. Usually ends up making significant returns when they sell the home at a higher price because itās been modernized.
I wonder what would come up or expect to come up in inspection. all these old houses suck and I feel like these sorts of houses are targeted at less mature and first time buyers who are maybe making a more emotional decision. this is a starter home at that. imagine buying this and then having to sit in it 5-15 years to break even and be able to get out of it. all for the "American Dream"
Yep..wiring, panels donāt carry 200 amps, etc. My house had a Federal panel that several electricians saw and said nothing, then my swamp cooler tried to burn my house down when a wire burned through. If theyād told me to replace it, a breaker mightāve saved me an attic fire. Course, then I found out what a joke home insurance is, and the contractors that do damage remediationā¦yuck..never again, hopefully!
- Blinding white paint *everywhere*
- Dining table is a few feet behind the couch in the living room
- Exterior is white with bare wood front
- Chainlink fence
- Underwhelming as fuck kitchen
- $900K
Sounds about right.
Iām a Realtor (on the side). I would never suggest someone do everything paper white and if they did I would highly recommend some color accent pieces along the way. At least it looks big.
After 90 days that buyer should be able to get out of the contract and get a legit Realtor. Hey Seller, DM me- I know how to speeeelll
Also, if you are a buyer donāt buy now.
Geez! We moved from taylorsville to Vegas 7 years ago because we could not afford to buy a house out there! There is no way we could ever afford anything thing there.
Theyāre asking 2x what last yearās tax assessment was? Sad thing theyāll probably get it from some California transplant who thinks itās a great deal.
i personally dont really get the appeal of sugarhouse. just a basic ass suburb... Whole foods and mill creek I guess is okay, but still need a car to get around lol
Yeah man, **suburban** has a definition it's a classification of a particular density and zoning typology. Sugarhouse is literally the exact edge of SL and it is a zoning protected low density residential area to prevent urban fabric to exist.
It is almost entirely zoned R2 residential. You will need a car and time to get anywhere substantial including, but not limited to downtown, grocery stores, businesses of any kind, and more..
This is an intentionally cultivated **suburban** landscape. Direct from Sugar House City Council...
https://preview.redd.it/yc1daipkdrad1.png?width=1807&format=png&auto=webp&s=c0208c83892a4a99b65d396115208ff1640958ed
I've been in city planning and its way more nuanced than this, with much of what defines a community by the perception of the community itself. Neighborhoods of single-family homes do not get the automatic label as "suburban", Sugarhouse is not a suburb of Salt Lake City, it has historically been a neighborhood of Salt Lake City. That said, EVERY other city or municipality in SL county (and many in Davis county) are by definition suburbs of SLC (WVC, Murray, even Bountiful, etc). Typical defining characteristics of "suburb" are pretty slim in Sugarhouse.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar\_House,\_Salt\_Lake\_City](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_House,_Salt_Lake_City)
Ā "You will need a car and time to get anywhere substantial including, but not limited to downtown, grocery stores, businesses of any kind, and more.."
And really? Don't tell this to my 70 yo aunt who practically never leaves SH š It's one of the few neighborhoods we have that you could fairly easily walk to groceries and dinner and coffee, etc
Okay, I don't know why you want to argue this point, but I'm also active in city planning ventures. This place hits all the metrics for suburban when considering what the lifestyle entails living here. It is by design.
The simple fact your grandma does everything in SH seems to suggest it is in fact an independent area... The design shows a central shopping zone and SFR all the way around. Car centric shopping/dependency, by design.
We're arguing minutia here. Just because it's not super far away from downtown doesn't mean it's not a suburban neighborhood. Your wiki link even describes the setup as suburban like lol
A home built to meet the sensitivities and bland eating habits of the Utah nuclear family complete with homophobic lighting. Gross and incredibly way overpriced. Itās priced as if this was next to Beverly Hills.
itās just an ongoing joke because the queer community seems to really hate overhead lighting (myself included haha). pretty sure they didnāt mean it was literally homophobic lighting, but i get why it was kinda confusing!
While the housing market is out of control here, another out of control item is the huge houses. Everyone doesn't need a 2,700 Sq foot house. People trying to get into a starter home in most places are looking at less than 2,000 square feet (most of the time less than 1,500). So while housing prices are expensive in Salt Lake, we also need to consider for a first time home buyer - do you really need over 2,000 square feet? If so, why? Are those reasons legit or just something everyone in Utah has told people are necessary?
Classic paint everything white flip.
Looks like they missed a spot on the front of the house.
The four horsemen of the flippocalypse: * Black and white exterior paint * Subway tile * Barn doors * White kitchen cabinets
Don't forget, wall-to-wall gray ~~linoleum~~ *luxury vinyl plank*. š¤®
This is the dead giveaway imo
Hey it's better than the realtor brown that they used in the 90's š¤£š¤£
Bought my house in 2010. I said "Brown ahh we'll just paint it." 14 years later, those walls are still brown.
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It's blindingly white! Good grief
That house is white and delightsome.
Oh, this is the place! Drive on!
Like Utah
Now it just needs a white Mormon Jesus painting somewhere.
Donāt forget a cookie cutter Temple portrait.
Don't forget the Christus statue
Painting everything white always feels like cowardice.
And they say landlords donāt provide any value
Am I the only one who despises all-white cabinets?
Everything has to look like a bank
A big ticky tacky box. No charm.
But not even "big."
Been on the market 4 months and there is still a spelling mistake in the listingā¦. Realtor really earning that $30k.
In the hear of Sugarhouse!
Hear them laughing
What does that even mean? Is it supposed to be āin the *here* of Sugarhouse?ā Iāve never even heard that kind of phrase before. Does it mean like āthis is where itās happening in Sugarhouse?ā Thatās kind of the context I infer from it.
In the heart of Sugarhouse is my guess
Ohhhhhh duh. That makes way more sense haha thanks
But did you see the decorative balls in the wood tray?!
Realtors have the higher pay to skill ratio in America
Iāve yet to meet a real estate agent with anything above a room temperature IQ.
"I just got my real-estate license" I laugh and die inside every time I hear someone say that. Which is too often.Ā
I keep thinking how easy it would be to make bank as a realtor for doing basically no work
Sugarhouse is a pricy area, that's definitely adding a few tens of thousands. I've noticed many of the houses for sale around me haven't been selling nearly as fast as they used to. They've been on the market for upwards of a month. I don't think the market is reversing yet, but at least it's not a supercharged sellers market anymore.
Listing anything ranging in the 100s of thousands would take at least a month to sell though, right?
Not until recently 2021 there would be multiple offers on the first day - probably some cash offers and/or waiving inspection
Those cash offers are mostly hedge fund Wall Street/investor vultures. Regular folks who had the means adapted to do the same, but they were the minority.
My experience was mostly people from out of state who were trading out of a big equity nest egg on a higher cost of living area
Yeah, I don't think they're all "big vultures" but definitely a lot of people out there with lots of rental properties that leverage the existing properties to buy with cash or at least offer massive percentages of the purchase in cash.
No. A friend of mine sold in Lehi for $600k just before the pandemic and was a bidding war that drove it to $750k. I sold a year ago at $400k for very basic townhome and had offers in days and was sold in a couple weeks. Also EVERYTHING is in the 100s of thousands. Even Condos.
Nah. We sold our house in 2021 and had 3 offers the same day it was listed. And we didn't even live near Salt Lake.
The house I grew up in is about two blocks from this and going for 1.5 million now. My parents sold it for like 120k 15 years ago.
Thatās absurdly low even for 15 years ago
2009, housing market was in crisis. Seems about right.
lol
At least they kept the shitty closet doors and didnāt touch the landscaping
This is the sign of a truly poor flip. They put make up on a pig on the inside and the outside still looks like shit. I have a feeling itās going to sit on the market much longer than it already has. Donāt get me wrong houses in general have gone up quite dramatically but this person is truly doing something VERY dishonest. Hopefully every stays away and forces them to drop the price.
They also photographed in winter so there isn't even lawn/plants to redeem. If I were the realtor I'd redo it now that it's summer.
the longer i have been looking at homes the more I hate the fake wood lanolium floors. every single overpriced house flip uses the same 3 prints of it.
SLCounty is so bad at this! In the 1970s every builder was like split entry, f yeah. Then the 1980-90s stucco everywhere. In the 2000s faux old european. Now itās flat roofs painted black. Black! Why would you paint your house black in one of the hottest places?
Itās awful ā at least donāt insist on making it gray
I can hear the inside of this house.
Sugarhood is gentrified AF. And you don't need to be a millionaire to buy a million dollar house. You just need to be in debt to millionaries.
Pretty sure everyone in debt owes m/billionaires, it's not that deep. What person that isn't a millionaire can just loan even 50k to another person?
Corporations arenāt people.
Actually corporations ARE people....
Yes, according to refucklicans, this is true.
900k w/ no garage. Hard pass
Not to defend this wild listing but it definitely has a detached 1 car garage
You probably canāt even fit a car in it.. itās more of a shed
Yeah, I couldn't even park my cybertruck in there!?
lol thatās what they all look like back east
It's the same garage all sugarhouse 1910-1920's homes have. It's almost as if half of the people in these comments don't know what they're talking about
There is a detached garage.
Theyāre out of their gyatdam minds
Damn that kitchen is 90% of the house
My wife and I are buying a house in Florida so Iāve been paying attention to the market more down there (rented my entire life). I *just* saw the same basic stuff in a listing. 4 bed, 3 bath, 2700 sq ft. WATERFRONT. Not directly the gulf ocean, but still on the bay. With a fucking dock. $359k. Less than 40% of this. I know more goes into value obviously than rooms/sq footage, but dudeā¦ Salt Lake is absolutely fucking insane.
Thatās a few blocks from some friends of ours. The house next to them sold for 1.5 M last year. Suddenly they didnāt want us parking our bus in their driveway. They specifically said they didnāt want to upset the new (rich) neighbors. Weāre not even poor. Hubs makes 6 figures but suddenly we felt like their poor friends they were ashamed of or smth.
Damn, idk if calling them āfriendsā is the right term after that
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Not a good analogy, since sleeping on someoneās couch means that youāll be using their bathroom, kitchen, etc. and will be seeing each other on the daily. Not the case with parking on the driveway. If anything it would be like storing your couch on their basementā¦ So I donāt think boundaries were pushed unless they asked to park their bus there for a day or two and itās been 6 months. Then sure, thatās taking advantage. That been said, I think the implication for the reason they have itās whatās messed up. āWe care more about what our neighbor thinks, than helping youā¦also, your bus itās embarrassing and I donāt want to be associated with it.ā If they were my friends and I needed the bus gone, I wouldāve said it in a way that didnāt made them feel bad (even if itās my driveway and I have no reason to give an explanation). Thatās my point.
They enthusiastically invited us to stay with them, in their guest room in their home, during our twice a year visits to SLC. We were still invited to stay and be their guests, they just wanted the bus parked elsewhere and specifically said it was due to the house next door selling for three times what the other houses on the block were valued at. This has nothing to do with couch surfing or taking advantage of friendship. Weāve been invited (and asked to come back) to many friends homes around the country. And weāve hosted others at our home. Thereās nothing abnormal about this.
Sometimes people you care deeply about let you down in unexpected ways. Itās not a pattern, thankfully.
They probably never wanted you parking your bus in their driveway. Why the f do you own a bus?
Well, youāre pleasant. Cheers!
I could lie to you and tell you that it's totally normal to 1- have a bus and 2- to expect to park it regularly in your friends driveway.
Who said we parked it regularly in a friendās driveway? You ask why we own a bus? Simple, we bought a Winnebago Travato in 2017 (brand new for $80,000 cash, thank you) and discovered that RVs as a rule are made of toothpicks and cardboard, the warranties are crap and if you do get in for warranty work, it can end up sitting in a shop for months on end so good luck actually using it. And that was before Covid made the RV industry exponentially worse. As well, most of them (at least at that time) were not made for off grid camping (adequate solar and large 75+ gallon tanks) and require hookups to run anything. We wanted to explore remote areas and not be tied to campgrounds. We were enamored with the Skoolie community and decided to build our own since we have the skills to do it well. But the best part of owning and traveling in a Skoolie is being able to instantly identify shallow jerks who makes knee jerk assumptions and comments about us being poor, homeless, hippies, etc. Or assume that weāre freeloaders who want to park our bus regularly in our friendās driveway. š What a strange assumption. We were enthusiastically encouraged to stay with them the twice a year we traveled through SLC. We met our friends while traveling and they also had an open invitation to park their rig in our driveway if they visited Georgia but they donāt usually travel east of the Mississippi. But itās quite common to extend an invitation to fellow travelers to use your driveway and visit if theyāre in your neck of the woods. And weāve enjoyed having many invitations across the country to stop and visit friends while on the road. I realize that you see a lot of poorly built buses and run down RVs in the salt lake area. Those people look at our bus and know we are not in the same income bracket. There is a well to do contingent in the Skoolie community that travel in buses rather than RVs because theyāre so much nicer when built well. Sadly, most of the people with money try to buy their way into Skoolie ownership and unfortunately Skoolie builders have as bad a reputation as RV manufacturers. But if youāve got the skill, talent, funds and time to diy, you can have a very nice rig indeed. I refuse to ever buy another RV. Theyāre junk and the manufacturers are predators pushing out low quality rigs that often have multiple broken items and āwe oweā warranty repairs required before they are even driven off the lot. Then you have to take a short shakedown trip to see what else breaks during your first trip before you go out for any length of time. Whether or not you think itās normal to own a bus is really beside the point. I suspect you know very little about the subject beyond your assumptions.
I loved everything about this response.
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You talk as if you are so well off. 6 figures isn't as impressive as it once was and you only mention your husband so does that mean you don't have any income? If so that 6 figure income between 2 people becomes pretty average for a household.
Youāre right; we arenāt rich. Although, compared to the average person, we are certainly well off. Were he still working full time, heād be earning in the low 300s. As it is, he makes six figures working 25 hours a week, giving us an excellent quality of life and abundant free time to travel and pursue our interests. We also do not have any debt other than a small car loan to keep the credit score high, which means our income goes further than the average household. We have significant retirement and personal savings thanks to 20+ years full time in his profession. I believe there was a time he was saving 18% of his income in 401k thanks to generous company matching. Heās also been 100% remote since 2009 so even when he was working full time, we had more free time thanks to no commute and flexibility with his working hours. We have excellent health insurance, significant life insurance, full coverage on the vehicles, all at reasonable prices since we donāt drink, donāt smoke, have never had an accident and have both gone more than 20 years without a ticket. In other words, making good decisions reaps additional financial benefits. We donāt pinch pennies. We eat well and enjoy cooking supper from scratch together every night. We have traveled extensively. We have extra to treat the kids and grandkids. We can and do spend a fair amount on our hobbies. Tell me, on what planet does this not qualify as well off? Itās not a brag at all. Iām deeply grateful for all of it. I feel incredibly well off. But this is not average by any means. Itās deeply privileged, and it would be even if he made significantly less than he does. We have both financial freedom and freedom with our time, individually and to spend together. That is well off by any reasonable definition. If theyāre lucky, people get to enjoy this in their retirement, not in their late 40s and early 50s.
I don't have anything to add, I just wonder why I can't form coherent sentences with proper punctuation and grammar like you do. Then again, I disappointed every English teacher in my life by not doing homework
Who is still stuck on "normal"? Who are you Michelle from Full House? Are you the judge of normal?
I feel sorry for folks who limit themselves to what they think is normal. Itās so much healthier and more fulfilling to just be yourself. Life is too short to worry about being perceived as normal.
Normal means typical, within statistical norms. Most Americans do not own buses. This isn't a slight against your creativity. It turns out this poster does not own a bus either. They own a van. The vast majority of people would not want their friend camping out in their driveway more than once in a blue moon or else they would cease to be friends. I posit this as a more likely explanation than their friend getting uppity due to a rise in neighborhood property values.
Iām really confused by this idea that I own a van. The context was all provided. We did own a van. And with that, we discovered that RVs are built like crap. So we decided to build out a bus instead. Itās nicer than that āluxury touring vanā as Winnebago calls them by miles. We came through Salt Lake twice a year before we moved here. Thatās pretty much the definition of once in a blue moon.
I looked it up; at 11% household ownership (which is a record high this year) most Americans do not own RVs either. By your definition, RV ownership is āabnormalā.
Tbf some neighbors can make life a living hell over something like that if theyāre pissed enough. Not enough context to judge but I could see your friendās perspective of wanting to keep the peace. Especially in a house I assume they couldnāt afford in todayās market at todayās rates.
I am sure that was something that crossed their mind since they did not know the new owners yet. And now that we live here we donāt need a place to park while traveling through so it hasnāt come up since then to see if anything changed since they got to know the new owners.
Loved your response, But this sounds like this is more your āfriendsā issue than the new people next door.
Itās not definitive of our friendship with them overall. If it were, we wouldnāt still be friends. And Iāve heard nothing but nice things about the new neighbors.
900k for something that looks like whitewashed laminate and particle board?
Hate the white. I did my living room in classic French buttercream, lighter ceiling for 20 years, got sick of the bright light here in SLC, so went nuts and did the whole thing in dark hunter green, like a cool English library..itās nice..
Auditor's office says 2023 tax assessment is $401,005 -- but they're claiming $800,000 tax assessment in the post. Is that legal?
The one on Zillow is after the 45% primary residential exemption reduction. Full market value assessed in 2023 is $729,100 (before remodeling). Most people consider Sugar House as a desirable location - itās just supply and demand. https://slco.org/property-tax/notice-of-valuation/lookup/
Dang this feels like 2007 all over again.
Yeah, but the buyers all have to have money. I think thatās the difference.
Yep... 1/2 of American household wealth is in the stock market. Stocks are up just under 3x this decade. So, people with money are feeling rich.
Things have changed. I remember when e-trade and others made buying stock cheap and accessible. Now anyone can trade options. Big democratization of tools over the years. The other thing that has changed is knowing what fields make and how to get into them. There is good work to be done in most sectors. Walmart will train people to drive their trucks and pay you 110k the first year. I just donāt remember this kind of thing a decade ago. https://corporate.walmart.com/news/2022/04/07/drive-in-opportunity-walmart-raises-driver-pay-and-launches-private-fleet-development-program Things have changed.
Bro Iām just trying to rent š
That house cured my insomnia
Big yikes.
This home isnāt actually going to sell for 900K. Itās been on the market 133 days. Yes the market is nuts, but not this crazy.
Ok but itās the principle and itāll probably go for like 800 which is still fucking bananas
Itās tough because yes, itās expensive, but really I feel like we as people need to ALSO start demanding higher pay from our employers. The top of the wealth bracket have increased their total wealth like 3x in the last few years. And this is after a decade of stagnant pay.
Yeah itās funny because prices skyrocketed due to CEOs realizing they could get away with making the same products and charging more. Sometimes even using less material, etc or having less employees while still inflating their own salaries: all the while claiming pay raises would drive price hikes
Exactly this.
Yeah, my partner and I were going to start looking to buy at the end of this year but we decided to put it off another year š calculating it out, renting will save us big money right now... The housing here is nuts, and we were even looking outside of SLC proper in some of the cheaper areas and we still can't afford it and we make decent money.
Looks like someone bought it last year for $735k, tried to quickly flip it for $1.1M, and has been clawing back on the price ever since. Good, I hope they lose money.
That's too funny. Can't stand these flippers and the corporations buying up all the property.
900k to not even have the basement window wells dug out with bigger windowsā¦criminal
I haven't read every comment but this has been on zillow for 4 months. This is an eternity in today's market... it's over priced by a fair margin. Housing is still expensive even in a prime location, but that isn't a 900k house. Not sure if this is still true, but when we bought 3 years ago, the utah mls didnt hit all downstream services equally at the same time. Our realtor set us up with a "utah real estate app" that had more listings and recent sales than we could see on zillow or redfin. I forget what additional info you could see... comps on recent sales maybe? But our realtor was required to yank our log in after our sale completed. Utah has wierd privacy laws.
1943..wiring probably never updated..and those of us who bought 25 years ago canāt capitalize on the higher resale, because to buy back in, youād have to go down in size and quality..itās sad..my next door neighbor in 33rd and 33rd area got 50k over asking, like 650..original prices were below 200, well below..
The wiring-HVAC-windows-insulation How old are they?
I am a realtor. This is a pretty expensive area to be honest and people will pay to be in that area. This same price can get you a lot bigger homes in different areas of Salt Lake County.
For real. This post makes people looking for homes look bad. This is driving to the place with million dollar homes, pointing at them at complaining about the price of a LARGE 3/4 2,700 sq ft fully remodeled home. Looking around, I found easily two dozen homes from Spanish fork, to Tooele, to Bountiful, Price, Ogden and Logan (so all over, take you pick) that were about half the price for the same size and bedrooms. Now, those prices still suck. $450k is still a pain in the ass to try to afford. But thatās a reasonable discussion about approachable options, not whinging about the fact they canāt afford a damn Lamborghini as their commuter car. And itās STILL for an overly large home.
i think the point is more: -This- ugly, oversized home is now basically a million dollar home. lol
Well, oversized Iād believe, it is definitely large, but I donāt know that Iād call it ugly. Itās absolutely an aesthetic many find desirable. But yeah, what I DONāT find, is that someone who goes to the expensive, trendy, desirable part of the city, finds a house that is larger than normal and fully remodeled, and complains about house prices, is engaging in the discussion in any meaningful way. It feels disingenuous, and feels like a āI can complain tooā ask for attention. Which perpetuates an incorrect social perception about the problem with housing, which THIS HOUSE IS NOT INDICATIVE OF. :)
certainly an attention rage bait post. IMO this is a lipstick "remodel" I would consider it more an cosmetic updating(ish)? idk. it looks like a home I'd buy in the bad part of town in New Orleans except "renovated" lol
Yeah, I agree, this feels more about complaining that the type of dream home this person wants, in the dream neighborhood, now seems unachievable and unapproachable. Thatās a problem with expectations more than market. But comments sections thrive off this shit, lol.
I bought my grandmaās house, good luck everybody else š„¹
down town slc like 1500 a month for a 1 bdr apartment. Im trying to stay positive but god damnā¦.. long story short my car was stolen. I need a place thats close to where i work. Im about to be rent broke for the foreseeable future.
Wow, I knew two families that used to live in that house. It looked better/more cohesive before tbh.
My wife and I bought a townhouse in 2021 and between our low interest rate and the fact that itās sensibly designed and well built, we are never moving out. Weāve looked at a few places like this over the last couple years and inevitably weād be doubling our payment for a crappy old house with no closets. No thank you.
Oh hell no!
You know it's bad when the first photo is the inside of the house.
I love how renovations these days are pretty much just stripping homes of their soul. Congratulations, it looks like a low dollar Airbnb, not even one of the cool, well designed ones.
It's definitely a bit overpriced but you're paying for the location.
Except the same house was $360k 10 years ago. Canāt it just be shocking that this is what a million dollars buys now?
Is this house overpriced? Yes. Do you need to be a millionaire to buy it? No. Is it horrendously white? Absolutely.
$325/sq foot is wild.
āHave it all in the āhearā of Sugar Houseā¦ā š
So much possibility
Location, location, location
Seriously. Welcome to the east side
meh, it's a flip and they started at 1.1 million and it's been sitting on the market for a *while*. This house isn't really representative of the current market except that it's still too expensive
https://preview.redd.it/fey5rt84flad1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48d8dc6a83216273352a1a45ebaa1e3bd8b3114f Oh word?
3/25 are priced higher. Two of them by 1K and one of those may be the same place as the main postĀ
List price only tells a fraction of the story though. You could list a studio condo for $5 million if you wanted to. The real story is sale price and time on the market. A house is only actually worth what someone will pay. Anything else is conjecture.
When the median price is of an area 700k you can surmise that this house will sell for at least 800 and the point of this post still stands
Again, youāre looking at list price. Sale price and days on market are what actually determines the price of an area. Price pins on a map also mean zero about whether that house is worth the list prices around it. This is why realtors and appraisers get paid to search for comps. The houses on the map could be on a completely different lot size, have a two car garage instead, could be newer or older etc. Those dots on a map are useless data because they have no context. You can say 700s is a typical list price in the area but thatās all.
Might be the worst time to buy a home in like 50-70 years too. It's also cheaper to rent today by a big margin awhile renting #'s are actually declining because the economy is slowing.
Can someone define what a flip is
Someone buys an old house with outdated interior and āupdatesā everything inside (cheaply) to fit modern trends. Usually ends up making significant returns when they sell the home at a higher price because itās been modernized.
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I wonder what would come up or expect to come up in inspection. all these old houses suck and I feel like these sorts of houses are targeted at less mature and first time buyers who are maybe making a more emotional decision. this is a starter home at that. imagine buying this and then having to sit in it 5-15 years to break even and be able to get out of it. all for the "American Dream"
Yep..wiring, panels donāt carry 200 amps, etc. My house had a Federal panel that several electricians saw and said nothing, then my swamp cooler tried to burn my house down when a wire burned through. If theyād told me to replace it, a breaker mightāve saved me an attic fire. Course, then I found out what a joke home insurance is, and the contractors that do damage remediationā¦yuck..never again, hopefully!
lol no garage.
best wishes
Good riddance. That's a ugly millionaire dollar house . The inside is nice but the outside . Ugly
this can't go on forever can it? it has to correct, right?
Pro tip: leave SLC
Truly pathetic
The inside looks pretty niceā¦. I donāt know that area, is it a nice neighborhood?
Kids these days will never be able to move out of their parentās home. Jeez.
Gotta pay for the house and the zip code: every 15 blocks south you go will be 100k cheaper
- Blinding white paint *everywhere* - Dining table is a few feet behind the couch in the living room - Exterior is white with bare wood front - Chainlink fence - Underwhelming as fuck kitchen - $900K Sounds about right.
Ha!
The fact that they have the gall to put it up for this much without enlarging the basement windows should be illegal.
I wonder if they know about the other colors.
interior looks great (if extremely bland) but the outside is AWFUL.
Iām a Realtor (on the side). I would never suggest someone do everything paper white and if they did I would highly recommend some color accent pieces along the way. At least it looks big. After 90 days that buyer should be able to get out of the contract and get a legit Realtor. Hey Seller, DM me- I know how to speeeelll Also, if you are a buyer donāt buy now.
Lol thatās the ugliest exterior Iāve ever seen!
Geez! We moved from taylorsville to Vegas 7 years ago because we could not afford to buy a house out there! There is no way we could ever afford anything thing there.
People, please stop buying this garbage. You're making it acceptable!
They can ASK for $900k. Doesnāt mean theyāre going to GET $900k.
Theyāre asking 2x what last yearās tax assessment was? Sad thing theyāll probably get it from some California transplant who thinks itās a great deal.
Well obviously they're asking high. Probably would let it go for 860, 870k which is waaaay more realistic.Ā Ā
No..here they bait buyers and get well over asking..
Its really easy to paint a wall so who gives a shit?
2,700 sq ft right in the middle of sugarhouse. Seems cheap actually
DOES IT THOUGH?
i personally dont really get the appeal of sugarhouse. just a basic ass suburb... Whole foods and mill creek I guess is okay, but still need a car to get around lol
Now you're considering SH a suburb? lol It's a neighborhood within SL proper
Yeah man, **suburban** has a definition it's a classification of a particular density and zoning typology. Sugarhouse is literally the exact edge of SL and it is a zoning protected low density residential area to prevent urban fabric to exist. It is almost entirely zoned R2 residential. You will need a car and time to get anywhere substantial including, but not limited to downtown, grocery stores, businesses of any kind, and more.. This is an intentionally cultivated **suburban** landscape. Direct from Sugar House City Council... https://preview.redd.it/yc1daipkdrad1.png?width=1807&format=png&auto=webp&s=c0208c83892a4a99b65d396115208ff1640958ed
I've been in city planning and its way more nuanced than this, with much of what defines a community by the perception of the community itself. Neighborhoods of single-family homes do not get the automatic label as "suburban", Sugarhouse is not a suburb of Salt Lake City, it has historically been a neighborhood of Salt Lake City. That said, EVERY other city or municipality in SL county (and many in Davis county) are by definition suburbs of SLC (WVC, Murray, even Bountiful, etc). Typical defining characteristics of "suburb" are pretty slim in Sugarhouse. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar\_House,\_Salt\_Lake\_City](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_House,_Salt_Lake_City)
Ā "You will need a car and time to get anywhere substantial including, but not limited to downtown, grocery stores, businesses of any kind, and more.." And really? Don't tell this to my 70 yo aunt who practically never leaves SH š It's one of the few neighborhoods we have that you could fairly easily walk to groceries and dinner and coffee, etc
Okay, I don't know why you want to argue this point, but I'm also active in city planning ventures. This place hits all the metrics for suburban when considering what the lifestyle entails living here. It is by design. The simple fact your grandma does everything in SH seems to suggest it is in fact an independent area... The design shows a central shopping zone and SFR all the way around. Car centric shopping/dependency, by design. We're arguing minutia here. Just because it's not super far away from downtown doesn't mean it's not a suburban neighborhood. Your wiki link even describes the setup as suburban like lol
Same, couldn't pay me to live there
Itās true Iām moving from downtown to Millcreek and Iām excited for the quiet but not the constant movement and driving
Agreed.
A home built to meet the sensitivities and bland eating habits of the Utah nuclear family complete with homophobic lighting. Gross and incredibly way overpriced. Itās priced as if this was next to Beverly Hills.
What qualifies as "homophobic lighting?"
itās just an ongoing joke because the queer community seems to really hate overhead lighting (myself included haha). pretty sure they didnāt mean it was literally homophobic lighting, but i get why it was kinda confusing!
Thanks for the explanation. \*wondering if my house is an ally because it's so dark in here\*
your house is either an ally, depressed, or both. š
It was certainly depressed when we moved in. Exterior: gray. Landscaping: weed grass. Stinky carpet.
Overhead lighting. I use lamps throughout my home. Never the lights in the ceiling.
While the housing market is out of control here, another out of control item is the huge houses. Everyone doesn't need a 2,700 Sq foot house. People trying to get into a starter home in most places are looking at less than 2,000 square feet (most of the time less than 1,500). So while housing prices are expensive in Salt Lake, we also need to consider for a first time home buyer - do you really need over 2,000 square feet? If so, why? Are those reasons legit or just something everyone in Utah has told people are necessary?