This is a heritage crime and is very much against the law and punishable. Is she still in Scotland or back in the US? Historic Environment Scotland and the police would both absolutely be looking for her if they were aware. Fucking thief, imagine going to the US and robbing something from a native burial ground? It's the exact same thing.
Wow, looked into this and she's claiming "the ground gave me permission" and a ton of deluded American Facebook mums are leaping to her defence saying she had a right to do it. Absolute weapons.
I hope she gets charged. I've noticed a real trend of "witchy"/new age types being extremely destructive as tourists. A French group at the Fortingall Yew held hands and prayed around it before proceeding to *systematically snap off twigs for each person in the group*. I gave them hell and chased them off. Fuck anyone whose "beliefs" lead them to destroy heritage sites, you're not a "witch" you're a felon and a shitty human.
Considering it's 3,000 years old and we have no idea whatsoever what their beliefs would have been beyond general animism, pretty much guarantee they didn't.
Indeed, unfortunately it doesn't stop people from reaching in or breaking off the branches that spill out from the enclosure. You even see them look over their shoulders sometimes before snapping one, so they KNOW they shouldn't be doing it but do it anyway.
Anyone who is a real witch or a pagan respects earth and nature and would never do this. She’s a silly cow and as a Scottish pagan I am horrified some entitled Tik Tok wanker would think this is ok to do. It’s also a crime I believe and she must be held accountable
Just to add to this. Doesn't matter how old the grave is and which culture or race it belonged to, generally taking items from graves for personal possession is grave robbing.
Grave robbing through history and across cultures has always been considered a scum thing to do.
We in the US definitely have a big problem with our own citizens defacing ancient runes and Native American pictographs, etc. Now we're exporting the crazy. Sorry.
Saw the same thing with an American trying to prise a piece off a temple at an ancient sit in Albania. Just minutes after the tour guide told us about an old mosaic they had to remove and put in the museum because tourists kept trying to steal tiles from it. They just can't be told!
Such a shame. Scouting and some cool teachers in middle school drilled into our heads that you “leave no trace.” If you’re not picking up trash to pack out with you or collecting dead firewood off the ground for an approved fire you leave it the hell alone.
I've looked into this in some depth. What she took was:
1. A stone from "the path" at Clava Cairns.
2. A twig and a pinecone from Clava Cairns.
3. Two pieces of sea glass from the foreshore at Castle Eilean Donan.
4. A large twig from Glen Affric that she plans to make into a wand.
5. She also obtained a hagstone from somewhere.
For number 1, the stone... I have seen people claiming that it's from a quarry as it was on the path. This is misguided. The cairns do not have a gravel pathway and this is not a random chuckie. It is almost certain that it is part of the cairns or of one of the standing stones and, while it was lying on the ground, it is an inherent part of the monument. It's also far too large to have been, as some have suggested, transported there in the tread of someone's shoe. She said she was going to get it tested to prove it didn't come from the cairns, but clearly doesn't understand how that is done.
2 and 4... I don't see too much of an issue of the removal of small bits of plant material. But speaking as someone who regularly has to deal with the legality and ethics of import and export of plants and securing phytosanitary certificates, not the best option for a souvenir. You could be transporting pests and pathogens back to your country that could have a major impact on agriculture and forestry. We certainly have some nasty tree diseases in the UK.
3. No problem. You are allowed to pick up sea glass, but you are not allowed to take pebbles or sand.
5. The hagstone... these are stones that have holes in them. They're found on beaches and you are definitely not supposed to remove them (Coast Protection Act 1949). I saw somebody comment on a tiktok post that she had bought it at a museum. It's not clear whether the museum sourced it from a UK beach or whether it was imported. If the former, then it's a problem.
I agree with you, but your example is not the exact same thing. Your example is more akin to an american taking the stone, but instead the british got mad about it lol. Most americans aren't native.
Sorry to be a stickler.
Pretty sure this is an actual offence, and if it somehow isn't - she shouldn't be taking anything from a known burial site. There's a big difference from taking some rocks that you found on a beach vs a heritage site.
>tumblr bone witch
is this a reference to that "witch" who was taking bones that she found "lying around" a cemetery in Louisiana somewhere, maybe New Orleans ? for doing "spells" with ? And then people pointed out that the bones probably belonged to poor Black people, who couldn't afford burial plots in the graveyards that didn't get regularly flooded ?
Used to work for HES. Removing items from monuments is a crime, and if they have those videos, it will likely be with the police.
She can effectively be banned from entering the UK again if she refuses to engage with criminal proceedings.
Edit: Clava is a fucking magnet for this kind of nonsense. I remember hearing about someone who dumped their loved one’s ashes there (also a crime) which caused the heritage team a headache because it contaminates the historical record.
Imagine being this much of a cunt then boasting about it on social media. It should be treated as a crime.
Sought permission from the ground, aye right ye bampot.
This infuriates me. My wife and I visited Clava Cairns for the first time last year. It was fascinating. It was incredible being able to walk right up to the stones; in stark contrast to Stonehenge.
When we travel, we always try to be polite and respectful. We're guests of whatever foreign land we're visiting and conduct ourselves appropriately. We also realize that we are a reflection and representation of our home country. We don't want to be labeled as shitty American tourists, and it's lunatics like this woman who ruin it for everyone.
I hope they don't cordon off the cairns the way they did Stonehenge, and I hope that woman either comes to her senses and rights her wrong or dies of a rotten cunt infection.
Grave robbing is the lowest of the low and the Scottish government has been notified, there are people who offered to be an intermediary but the American has doubled down
Good. That was extremely disrespectful of her. She asked "the ground" but not the country. Good thing she's obviously stupid and boastful. May the stone return and the hag pay.
The government has been notified but it’s very uncertain that they can/will do something and she’s still bragging on social media and refusing to give it back so it seems unlikely she will actually face consequences.
There’s nothing witchy or Wiccan about that site. The fact is the woman is an absolute roaster who has fixated on the fact the TV show Outlander was inspired by the site and has fantasised some form of belief system out of it.
The site is a scheduled monument; the maximum fine for damage to a scheduled monument is £50,000 and between six months and two years' imprisonment. I dont think it’s an extraditable offense.
Happily, I seem to remember a Belgian or German tourist took something from it and ended up suffering a lot of misfortune/ accidents, and ended up returning the “cursed” stones they took. Maybe that story should be shared with this woman.
Edit - it was a Belgian - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/595015.stm
I love that the tourist official wouldn't take the stone into his own house before returning it, just to be on the safe side. Probably for the best really.
You can’t just pick a dead religion and then claim the cultural heritage of that religion belongs to you. Otherwise I could just start worshipping ancient Egyptian gods and then claim the pyramids of Giza are my cultural heritage and I can just steal anything I like from them with impunity.
By law you are not even allowed to remove stones from a beach let alone take items from historically significant places that are protected . As a Grade 4 Wizard from the clan MacUpus Yer Sporran I hereby set a curse of Daft us Bintus takety stanes frae places ancient hallowed . upon all said taken items and should they niver be returned clouds of flies will descend upon said witch and her family they will be cursed as highland cow dung and smell of such after warm weather and midge maggot ridden , till the items are returned.
I work with the land too in a spiritual way. I was taught to leave stuff exactly as I found it. There is just no need to steal stones from cairns or snap branches off 3000 year old trees. If we are meant to have something, it will come to us without our having to take it. Spirituality is about respect for all things, and it's a really tough thing to learn.
Can't be a very good witch if she's disturbing a cairn.
Can't even get her own fake religion right. FFS.
For those wondering; the witch religion is more recent of an invention than tarot cards; which are younger still than normal playing cards.
It's a strange sort of cultural appropriation where they just make shit up along "vaguely pagan and celtic" themes.
It's the girl version of American vikings on tiktok. One has cheap crystals, one has foam axes; both tend to have questionable tattoos, piercings, and replaced a good part of their personality with it.
Yeah, though, that's illegal and she'll likely be chased for it. You can't just take a part of someone's grave; particularly if it's a heritage site. Theft by finding in the very least.
>disturbing a cairn
If videogames have taught me anything over the years, it's that touching *anything* around cairns, tombs, etc. summons a whole load of *fighting skeletons* or other such angry types,
Personally I put it down to people just wanting to make the mundanity of life more meaningful. It's a bit mad, has nothing to do with the historic religions practiced by pagans (it especially gives me a laugh when they try to "metaphorically" do human sacrifice with snacks) but usually harmless.
Issue is, once you put your desire to feel validated over the rest of the world, there's nothing telling you no, whether it's a dipshit running around Prince's Street because he's got a divine mission from Jesus or this loon damaging cultural heritage sites which aren't even part of her culture.
I get what you mean.
I kind of see what she's doing with the pagan "religion" as the same sort of thing. It's a cultural aspect of our heritage that she's taken for herself and attempted to change it to fit her own image.
I don't feel any particular connection with paganism, but the behaviour rubs me the wrong way. It feels like such an inauthentic way to be while broadcasting how you're more authentic than thee, We get it, you're scared of being boring; but can't they be a little bit original and create something for themselves that isn't stolen then perverted from what it was?
It's the same with those robed Druid types that claim Stonehenge as their own. Stonehenge had nothing to do with druids. Their fake religion is a modern invention.
Exactly, and the larping and simply making shit up that "feels" right, has made it incredibly hard for those with an actual interest in the history.
Same with old occult stuff. Next to impossible to learn about that kind of stuff without some bullshit.
Even harder now than when it was in the early 00's as the people have become emboldened and entitled to dictating what their group identity believes is the truth. They used to be laughed at and ignored, especially by the educated.
Eh. Loads of people who identify as witches are good people, and I respect a religion that is about putting the work in yourself instead of asking a higher power to do it for you
There are also people who do bad things yet they are good people. That doesn't mean that the bad thing is now good by association.
I don't respect a religion that is a bastardisation of someone elses culture (or even your own) based on some narcissistic desire to feel better than others. Whether that's in having access to a higher power, that they personally have mysterious power, to be more interesting out of fear they're not, or to simply use it as a way to make money.
Put it this way. I belong to an American religion. As in, I believe that America is a god. So I go out and I drink coors lite and pray to a flag on the pick up truck because I know that the pick up truck and flag will answer my prayers unlike those other religions. It's part of my religion that I can park anywhere and shout racist slurs to my hearts content. I plan to travel to gods country and have been practising my slurs; I already have my cowboy outfit. I'm going to go over to America and build something on some native American's grave, as is part of my religion; I asked the flag and it said ok.
They also do ask a higher power, that's what the whole ritual stuff and magic is about...
That's what these "witches" are doing, but it's based on vague pagan and celtic things that they don't research but use because of the aesthetic. Good for them if they're good people, but that doesn't really matter.
They're "pagan/celtic" weeaboos. They're a step up from furries, but it's the same sort of mental place. People struggling with identity and empathy issues that sees them project their mental health issues onto a random aspect of life and use that as the reason why they're not happy, or as a distraction in their lives from the things that are making them unhappy.
Test it out for yourself. Do you know ANY "witch" that doesn't have any mental health issues? It's anecdotal, and could be pure correlation, but I've never met one that didn't and I've unfortunately known quite a few.
My year 8 science teacher was a practicing Wiccan. She never really mentioned it, we heard about it as a rumour first, although she let us do a (in retrospect, *extremely* good-humoured) "ask me anything about my kooky religion" session as a treat at the end of term once. Otherwise she was a completely normal mid 30s woman, unless you've got such a stick up your arse that being a bit of a yoga-granola type makes you "abnormal". If she was indeed mentally ill, she did a great job of managing it because the lessons were always above average and she never made us wait on getting our assignments back. Most of us can separate the normal crunchy witches like this from people with no respect
I've got no complaints about her at all. She sounds like a respectable person.
I still believe what I do about the religion itself though. There are people who are good that do bad thigns and vice versa. I don't think that the religion is WHY she was a good person because religion barely ever has any bearing on whether someone is good or not.
My issue isn't the people, it's the religion. I don't like the people that made the religion what it is, but that doesn't mean I hate everyone in that religion.
For example, I hate England for putting the tories in for 15 years; but I don't hate someone just because they're English. Not all the English voted the tories, so they don't meet the criteria for that.
Ok, and this is my problem with you, I'm not going to blame anyone sharing a demographic with you. This is a personal issue.
You are incredibly judgemental, not even including the ableism, the closed mindedness, the incredibly outdated hatred towards furries (like seriously, have we gone back in time to 2008 or something?).
It's stupid to complain about a religion plagiarising another, older religion. Christianity has plagiarised multiple pagan figures and holidays, and religions stealing from the last big religion has been going back to the Phoenicians. There is no originality in religion, because religion is about what feels right to people and there are going to be common themes.
If I were to not respect peoples religions, trust me when I say witchcraft is not nearly harmful enough to be on the first page of the list, you think witches are why gay people are being murdered in Uganda? It seems to me you want a reason to hate a group small enough they won't fight back.
Now, this person is a shithead, sure, but she is not indicative of everyone who practices, and unless you want the precedent of groups being only represented by their worst members, I think you should understand that as a reasonable perspective
Sorry, you're completely off base here.
Cultural appropriation isn't a good thing. The demographic isn't the issue, it's the behaviour.
I've mental illness myself, I'm not being ableist or close-minded. My minds just not open enough for it to fall out so anyone can put any random nonsense in there.
It's not stupid to criticise a religion for it's questionable begininng or it's questional behaviours. I was raised Christian and I share similar criticism with it; also for plagiarising pagan holidays and Ancient Egyptian and Persian (which is where we get the three kings from). Why would I be ok with one group doing the exact same behaviour I'm complaining about another group doing?
"Religous people in Uganda are discriminatory towards gay people" <- Yeah, that's some bullshit too, obviously. That's also whataboutism. "It seems to me you want a reason to hate a group small enough they won't fight back." Then you using that whataboutism as a strawman to send a baseless ad hominen.
Or, you know, it could be about the things I'm actually saying? Criticism doesn't mean prejudice. I'm also not interested in fighting them, these are my personal opinions about the whole thing. Get your head out your arse, this isn't about identity politics but generalised group behaviours. You belittle yourself with this "oh you must just hate minorites" shite. Based on a subtext that simply isn't there; pay attention to what's actually being said.
Yes, I'm going to judge peoples behaviours and beliefs if they're going to use it, like this woman did, to excuse crimes. I do it with every other religion and I'll do it here too. Why? Because what if it's an actually good reason for what she was doing? It needs to be judged to understand. I judge Muslims when they want Sharia courts here because I know these courts are prejudice towards women and are invented to circumvent our own civil courts. That criticism doesn't apply to every muslim, obviously.
"Now, this person is a shithead, sure, but she is not indicative of everyone who practices, and unless you want the precedent of groups being only represented by their worst members, I think you should understand that as a reasonable perspective"
A glib response that's based on a strawhat ad hominen assumption that I'm judging a person's group identity rather than judging the groups generalised behaviour; it's much easier to argue if you misrepresent it like that. It is a reasonable position, which I support; but do you understand how it's irrelevent to this conversation? It's like I've told the Catholics that they should probably do something about the whole fiddly priest thing and you've turned round in defense of the catholics and went "they don't ALL do that". Yeah, they don't; they're clearly not the ones that we have an issue with.
With this whole pagan/celtic cultural appropriation, the criticism is that it's completely fictatious from even the ACTUAL pagan religion, which we don't really know that much about. If they actually cared about it, they would put time and effort into research behind the actual religion; historical research. That would be much better than self inventing what's pagan and celtic and re-writing someone elses culture and history with what feels right to them. Instead they do aesthetic research and psuedo-relgious activities they self-invent. It's the same reason Americans believe the Irish wear kilts; it's motivated ignorance which leads them to proclaiming they're more Irish than the Irish. Like how some Christians misquote or misinterpret the bible in order to make it fit their personal requirements. That's the issue I have with witches; this physical stealing of our heritage is a seperate thing though it's metaphorically consistent with my arguments.
I'm also not sure what you're talking about with the "outdated hate for furries". People who think they're actually animals are mentally ill. It's part of a umbrella of other personal identity disorders that are well known and well researched. Understanding the mechanic behind it doesn't mean that I hate those people anymore than me saying that "having a disorder that decreases dopmaine production" doesn't mean that I hate people with that specific type of depression. It's a step up from furries in every way; less debilitating, less social issues, less expensive, less invasive, tend to have less empathy issues as well as having less of an issue with sexual disorders and aggression issues.
You're making accusations based on assumptions of my beliefs rather than replying to what was actually said about my beliefs.
Furries are also still rather hated; from animal abuse, anti-social behaviour, assaults, bullying, emotional and physical domestic abuse, victimhood cultivation and attempting to force normalisation of this behaviour on society. Know what that normalisation has lead to? Now children are furries, that didn't used to happen; teens, aye, kids though? We've got schools with used litter trays, and kids thinking they're dogs biting people; this is what's replaced emo. Again, I don't hate furries. If you're someone who likes to dress up as a dog and you're not hurting anyone then I don't care; they're clearly not the one's I'm talking about which is evident from the identity mental health point I made.
Rather than trying to work out which minority group you assume I'm prejudice to, why don't you look at what I actually said. Catholics working it out that those priests are an issue is something that will benefit that group identity. These people working on their mental health is something that will only benefit them. Don't assume criticism means prejudice.
In America our national and state parks slogan is, "Leave no trace" - take out what you take in, don't touch things, don't take things, leave it the way you found it. This hag is delusional
There are! That's how I found out about it in the first place but she's doubling, tripling down saying she's being bullied by the folk who are calling her out on it
Och aye the things I'd dae fer a crate a Bru! As a transplant in the Canadian north, I'm lucky to find a tin or 2 a year, 4 dollars a tin! I'd love a tin a day. I'd be absolutely skint, but I'd be a happy skint old lass!
Found her on tiktok and caught up with all of it. I am Pagan and have been for 20years. We are not the same but people often see Paganism as Wiccan/Witch adjacent.
Anyone claiming to be a Witch of any kind that holds true to their beliefs would not have disturb the ground she found herself in. She would not have removed the stone. She would not have touched the site at all.
There are posts all the time in the Wiccan sub's about finding areas in forests with burial stones, or things that might look like old Witch alters or ritual spaces and the one thing the comments always have in common is DON'T TOUCH WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW ... and the Rule of 3. You do not disturb sacred land and what is on it. You certainly do not take from it.
u/Lower_Nature_4112 I tried to post about this in one of the tiktok sub reddits and it got deleted for 'Your post/comment was removed for inflammatory conspiracy theories or political commentary/undertones'
Some arrogant yank did this couple of years ago https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/rare-edinburgh-headstone-stolen-historic-24881451.amp
This breaks my heart. I just visited your country and everyone was so welcoming to us Americans. Does anyone know where she is? I’ll go beat her and send back the things she stole.
For what it's worth, no genuine witch would disrespect the spirits of a place by removing or otherwise destroying a burial site. In the bounds of her own beliefs, she's truly screwed up.
On the more practical side, she has committed a crime and should be fined/otherwise punished.
If the Fae don't get her, Historic Scotland should :P
Witch is just a catch-all for someone who has a spiritual belief outside of monotheistic religions. Not everyone who calls themselves a witch thinks they can put spells on people or fly on a broom.
This is infuriating because the law is the same in the US regarding damaging or removing cultural artifacts from our national parks.
Punishment for removal is up to 2 years in prison and $20k in fines. If damage is also caused in the removal process then the penalties may increase to 10 yrs and $250k in fines.
So the fact she is pretending that it was ok because the ground told her to or whatever is disingenuous.
Damaging a protected historic burial ground is illegal under Scots Law. End of story.
I visited Clava cairns a few years ago, peaceful place. Within 5 minutes of stepping out the car a giant 80 seater outlander tour bus rocked up, tonnes of Americans got off and practically invaded the place. Climbing all over the stones, the fences, making one hell of an amount of noise. Shook my head in disgust, got in the car and drove off
Idiots, no respect whatsoever.
https://howardwilliamsblog.wordpress.com/2024/06/13/pebblegate-the-clava-cairns-returnthestone-controversy/#:~:text=The%20recent%20controversy%20relates%20to,a%20sizeable%20social%20media%20following. .. on this topic
My wife’s family live at Clava and have for generations. There is a family story about a Canadian distant uncle who came back and decided to take a stone home as a memento. He had so much bad luck for years after that he ended up posting the stone back to Clava.
Disgraceful. I can‘t take Washingtons wooden knob from the White House because „I asked the marble for permission.“ Biden would tell me off!
Call the cops!
I believe the theft of stones would be a heritage crime under the 1979 ancient monuments and archeological areas act. You can report her to crimestoppers, 101, or [email protected].
https://www.historicenvironment.scot/media/9995/dsh-crime-facts-v16a.pdf
It's a wonder and a risk that so many of our ancient sites are free and open to walk right up to. We're very lucky to have this history and it's the responsibility of everyone to behave around it.
Hiya, wannabe spooky bitch here. It’s not a religion for me, I just like connecting with what’s around me because it makes my brain happy. I’m also not far from the scene of the crime and the majority of us up here are fed up of tourist ‘witches’ / folk who think outlander is a true story. You’ll see plenty of them traipsing around Culloden leaving flowers for Jamie. If only there was a spell that would keep my eyes from rolling to the back of my brain. Ah well, at least the tourist shops in Inverness are making some money off the back of it.
She’s saying she’s being bullied because she’s been called out, and is another outlander ghoul who’s fine with some light desecration. She should be realising now that what she done is at minimum bringing very bad karma her way, but no. She’s doubling down with a shitty catchphrase ‘it’s not about the stone’ and saying (despite the many comments saying otherwise) that Scottish people aren’t offended.
She also apparently brought back plants including a branch with lichen on it. That’s a big no no in the US, especially the southern states, and you need a licence to import plant matter legally. She is back in the US now, and I can only hope she gets a chap at the door soon.
People get really weird at Clava Cairns.
I turned up once and a French group was there doing group mediations and walking all over the cairns tapping them with metal poles, despite signs saying not to walk on them. It’s so disrespectful.
I'm so angry and disgusted with these stories. They're almost always Americans. Makes me embarrassed. Is there any kind of international law that could be applied to force her to return them (assuming she's back in the US now)?
I'm maybe showing my ignorance here but are the Clava Cairns well known? OP didn't put any context in the post but everyone seems to know what and where they are. I live in Inverness but thought they were just a minor local landmark.
I'm not overly offended, a rock is a rock, the clava cairns are fairly large ones so I assume she's picked a wee stone off the ground?
However she should be made to return it as a wee warning to other tourists.
More importantly, why are we not setting up businesses selling them shitty wee stones in the first place. Give the people what they want but ask that they be returned within 10 years or the Outlander curse will hunt down their firstborn.
Has anyone actually watched her video? The “stone” in question is pebble sized. I mean people will get worked up over literally nothing online.
I’m sure she’s loving the exposure she’s getting
https://www.businessinsider.com/british-empire-stole-cultural-artifacts-colonialism-repatriation-parthenon-benin-rosetta-2022-9
Perhaps the pot should think twice before calling out the kettle?
This is the thing, it's a pebble one time then it sets a precedent for other people thinking it's ok to take things from heritage sites and eventually it'll escalate. Can you imagine the state of the place if everyone just took a bit?
People can’t have it both ways, for those immersed in witchery, spell making and other ludicrous hobbies do actually believe in it so if she says she got permission from the ground you better believe she believes it. Is it really her fault?
Sure as shit not some random tourist, that's for sure. She doesn't have a side to stand on.
The site is managed by Historic Environment Scotland but "belongs" to the nation. More broadly, the people who made and used the Clava Cairns were the Neolithic / Early Bronze Age ancestors of people in the isles today - Britain has a surprising amount of continuity from prehistoric peoples to modern ones, of course with some influxes of migration all the while.
Would you say "who has the right to claim it's theirs" about the mo'ai of Easter Island for Easter Islanders, or the Pyramids of Giza for Egyptians, or the Parthenon for Greeks if the people living in those places today lay claim to it?
The government, HES and the people who live in the area?
What state do you think places of historical and cultural significance would be if everyone just took a bit because "who has the right to claim it's theirs"?
Sounds like a mental health issue so needs dealt with delicately although it is just a load of stones. It has significance in this area so maybe she should hand it back and fuck off back home. A tricky one.
Me and many of my friends have mental health issues and not once have we been tempted to rob a historic site. It's a deluded, narcissistic idiot issue, not a mental health issue.
I just had a read over the story in the Daily Mail *shudder*
It’s much ado about nothing. If it’s a crime then charge her, if it’s poor taste then let’s argue about it online between ourselves.
Adults actually talking about curses and witchcraft though, behave.
This is a heritage crime and is very much against the law and punishable. Is she still in Scotland or back in the US? Historic Environment Scotland and the police would both absolutely be looking for her if they were aware. Fucking thief, imagine going to the US and robbing something from a native burial ground? It's the exact same thing.
Wow, looked into this and she's claiming "the ground gave me permission" and a ton of deluded American Facebook mums are leaping to her defence saying she had a right to do it. Absolute weapons. I hope she gets charged. I've noticed a real trend of "witchy"/new age types being extremely destructive as tourists. A French group at the Fortingall Yew held hands and prayed around it before proceeding to *systematically snap off twigs for each person in the group*. I gave them hell and chased them off. Fuck anyone whose "beliefs" lead them to destroy heritage sites, you're not a "witch" you're a felon and a shitty human.
Send them to me, I will sell them authentic Fortingall Yew relics. £5 each. Three for a tenner.
To be fair I still use the sports socks and lighters you sold me on Buchanan Street in 96 so I reckon they're getting a good deal.
Who needs five lighters for a pound, when my relics work for eternity.
Yew is wildly poisonous. With any luck they ingested them.
Only if eaten though right? Iirc most historic style bows are still made from yew and you can handle it untreated right?
I wouldn't personally. If there was leather bound grips on the main bow, maybe.
You'd need to eat it to have any ill effects.
I hope they were at least praying to the correct gods for whom the yew was planted
Considering it's 3,000 years old and we have no idea whatsoever what their beliefs would have been beyond general animism, pretty much guarantee they didn't.
This is why the Yew has that giant wall around it
Indeed, unfortunately it doesn't stop people from reaching in or breaking off the branches that spill out from the enclosure. You even see them look over their shoulders sometimes before snapping one, so they KNOW they shouldn't be doing it but do it anyway.
Anyone who is a real witch or a pagan respects earth and nature and would never do this. She’s a silly cow and as a Scottish pagan I am horrified some entitled Tik Tok wanker would think this is ok to do. It’s also a crime I believe and she must be held accountable
Just to add to this. Doesn't matter how old the grave is and which culture or race it belonged to, generally taking items from graves for personal possession is grave robbing. Grave robbing through history and across cultures has always been considered a scum thing to do.
We in the US definitely have a big problem with our own citizens defacing ancient runes and Native American pictographs, etc. Now we're exporting the crazy. Sorry.
Once took a degree-educated friend from AL to Chester to visit the Roman ruins. Tried to pry a stone from a wall to take home. Gobsmacked.
Saw the same thing with an American trying to prise a piece off a temple at an ancient sit in Albania. Just minutes after the tour guide told us about an old mosaic they had to remove and put in the museum because tourists kept trying to steal tiles from it. They just can't be told!
The Americans are trying to do our thing!
Such a shame. Scouting and some cool teachers in middle school drilled into our heads that you “leave no trace.” If you’re not picking up trash to pack out with you or collecting dead firewood off the ground for an approved fire you leave it the hell alone.
Three lines too many there champ.
There aren't ancient runes in the US.
Wtf?
The Kengsington Runestone is a hoax. It was exposed as a hoax decades ago.
I've looked into this in some depth. What she took was: 1. A stone from "the path" at Clava Cairns. 2. A twig and a pinecone from Clava Cairns. 3. Two pieces of sea glass from the foreshore at Castle Eilean Donan. 4. A large twig from Glen Affric that she plans to make into a wand. 5. She also obtained a hagstone from somewhere. For number 1, the stone... I have seen people claiming that it's from a quarry as it was on the path. This is misguided. The cairns do not have a gravel pathway and this is not a random chuckie. It is almost certain that it is part of the cairns or of one of the standing stones and, while it was lying on the ground, it is an inherent part of the monument. It's also far too large to have been, as some have suggested, transported there in the tread of someone's shoe. She said she was going to get it tested to prove it didn't come from the cairns, but clearly doesn't understand how that is done. 2 and 4... I don't see too much of an issue of the removal of small bits of plant material. But speaking as someone who regularly has to deal with the legality and ethics of import and export of plants and securing phytosanitary certificates, not the best option for a souvenir. You could be transporting pests and pathogens back to your country that could have a major impact on agriculture and forestry. We certainly have some nasty tree diseases in the UK. 3. No problem. You are allowed to pick up sea glass, but you are not allowed to take pebbles or sand. 5. The hagstone... these are stones that have holes in them. They're found on beaches and you are definitely not supposed to remove them (Coast Protection Act 1949). I saw somebody comment on a tiktok post that she had bought it at a museum. It's not clear whether the museum sourced it from a UK beach or whether it was imported. If the former, then it's a problem.
The Americans have already done that. That's why they came to Scotland to get these ones
I agree with you, but your example is not the exact same thing. Your example is more akin to an american taking the stone, but instead the british got mad about it lol. Most americans aren't native. Sorry to be a stickler.
The children's book "What If Everybody Did This?" should be compulsory reading for every human on Earth.
Pretty sure this is an actual offence, and if it somehow isn't - she shouldn't be taking anything from a known burial site. There's a big difference from taking some rocks that you found on a beach vs a heritage site.
It's a scheduled monument, it's nationally protected so this is indeed a pretty serious heritage crime
Good, as it should be
Spooky bitch.
BACK AAFFF YA!
Correct!
I see what you did there. And I like it. Not as much as I like the PlayStation though.
D’you like the PlayStation? Ah like the PlayStation.
>An American woman who claims to be a Witch Well that's all I need to hear.
>posts videos on TikTok
An equally valid reason for noping out.
Don't startle the witch, man.
I have never once played L4D2 and even I know this important rule
The new tumblr bone witch.
>tumblr bone witch is this a reference to that "witch" who was taking bones that she found "lying around" a cemetery in Louisiana somewhere, maybe New Orleans ? for doing "spells" with ? And then people pointed out that the bones probably belonged to poor Black people, who couldn't afford burial plots in the graveyards that didn't get regularly flooded ?
[for anyone curious](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/03/cops-bust-tumblr-witch-over-boneghazi.html)
Floridian, no less
Burn Her!
She turned me into a newt!!
I got better!
A newt?
A man of science
She turned mah boaby intae a newt!
Used to work for HES. Removing items from monuments is a crime, and if they have those videos, it will likely be with the police. She can effectively be banned from entering the UK again if she refuses to engage with criminal proceedings. Edit: Clava is a fucking magnet for this kind of nonsense. I remember hearing about someone who dumped their loved one’s ashes there (also a crime) which caused the heritage team a headache because it contaminates the historical record.
Sets a bad precedent if you let people get away with this. If you can't be respectful, don't travel
Imagine being this much of a cunt then boasting about it on social media. It should be treated as a crime. Sought permission from the ground, aye right ye bampot.
Where is she in the US? I am coming to Scotland in July and I will bring these items with me. The ground AND the sky told me to.
florida.
This infuriates me. My wife and I visited Clava Cairns for the first time last year. It was fascinating. It was incredible being able to walk right up to the stones; in stark contrast to Stonehenge. When we travel, we always try to be polite and respectful. We're guests of whatever foreign land we're visiting and conduct ourselves appropriately. We also realize that we are a reflection and representation of our home country. We don't want to be labeled as shitty American tourists, and it's lunatics like this woman who ruin it for everyone. I hope they don't cordon off the cairns the way they did Stonehenge, and I hope that woman either comes to her senses and rights her wrong or dies of a rotten cunt infection.
Sounds like a cunt
Grave robbing is the lowest of the low and the Scottish government has been notified, there are people who offered to be an intermediary but the American has doubled down
The Wicca hath done fucketh around and is about findeth out...
Good. That was extremely disrespectful of her. She asked "the ground" but not the country. Good thing she's obviously stupid and boastful. May the stone return and the hag pay.
The government has been notified but it’s very uncertain that they can/will do something and she’s still bragging on social media and refusing to give it back so it seems unlikely she will actually face consequences.
I can almost guarantee this is outlander brain rot.
She actually cited outlander in one of her posts, my eyes rolled back to the dawn of time
There’s nothing witchy or Wiccan about that site. The fact is the woman is an absolute roaster who has fixated on the fact the TV show Outlander was inspired by the site and has fantasised some form of belief system out of it. The site is a scheduled monument; the maximum fine for damage to a scheduled monument is £50,000 and between six months and two years' imprisonment. I dont think it’s an extraditable offense. Happily, I seem to remember a Belgian or German tourist took something from it and ended up suffering a lot of misfortune/ accidents, and ended up returning the “cursed” stones they took. Maybe that story should be shared with this woman. Edit - it was a Belgian - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/595015.stm
I love that the tourist official wouldn't take the stone into his own house before returning it, just to be on the safe side. Probably for the best really.
You can’t just pick a dead religion and then claim the cultural heritage of that religion belongs to you. Otherwise I could just start worshipping ancient Egyptian gods and then claim the pyramids of Giza are my cultural heritage and I can just steal anything I like from them with impunity.
Might go take a chunk oit o yon White hoose ken.
By law you are not even allowed to remove stones from a beach let alone take items from historically significant places that are protected . As a Grade 4 Wizard from the clan MacUpus Yer Sporran I hereby set a curse of Daft us Bintus takety stanes frae places ancient hallowed . upon all said taken items and should they niver be returned clouds of flies will descend upon said witch and her family they will be cursed as highland cow dung and smell of such after warm weather and midge maggot ridden , till the items are returned.
I work with the land too in a spiritual way. I was taught to leave stuff exactly as I found it. There is just no need to steal stones from cairns or snap branches off 3000 year old trees. If we are meant to have something, it will come to us without our having to take it. Spirituality is about respect for all things, and it's a really tough thing to learn.
Can't be a very good witch if she's disturbing a cairn. Can't even get her own fake religion right. FFS. For those wondering; the witch religion is more recent of an invention than tarot cards; which are younger still than normal playing cards. It's a strange sort of cultural appropriation where they just make shit up along "vaguely pagan and celtic" themes. It's the girl version of American vikings on tiktok. One has cheap crystals, one has foam axes; both tend to have questionable tattoos, piercings, and replaced a good part of their personality with it. Yeah, though, that's illegal and she'll likely be chased for it. You can't just take a part of someone's grave; particularly if it's a heritage site. Theft by finding in the very least.
>disturbing a cairn If videogames have taught me anything over the years, it's that touching *anything* around cairns, tombs, etc. summons a whole load of *fighting skeletons* or other such angry types,
Personally I put it down to people just wanting to make the mundanity of life more meaningful. It's a bit mad, has nothing to do with the historic religions practiced by pagans (it especially gives me a laugh when they try to "metaphorically" do human sacrifice with snacks) but usually harmless. Issue is, once you put your desire to feel validated over the rest of the world, there's nothing telling you no, whether it's a dipshit running around Prince's Street because he's got a divine mission from Jesus or this loon damaging cultural heritage sites which aren't even part of her culture.
I get what you mean. I kind of see what she's doing with the pagan "religion" as the same sort of thing. It's a cultural aspect of our heritage that she's taken for herself and attempted to change it to fit her own image. I don't feel any particular connection with paganism, but the behaviour rubs me the wrong way. It feels like such an inauthentic way to be while broadcasting how you're more authentic than thee, We get it, you're scared of being boring; but can't they be a little bit original and create something for themselves that isn't stolen then perverted from what it was?
It's the same with those robed Druid types that claim Stonehenge as their own. Stonehenge had nothing to do with druids. Their fake religion is a modern invention.
Exactly, and the larping and simply making shit up that "feels" right, has made it incredibly hard for those with an actual interest in the history. Same with old occult stuff. Next to impossible to learn about that kind of stuff without some bullshit. Even harder now than when it was in the early 00's as the people have become emboldened and entitled to dictating what their group identity believes is the truth. They used to be laughed at and ignored, especially by the educated.
Eh. Loads of people who identify as witches are good people, and I respect a religion that is about putting the work in yourself instead of asking a higher power to do it for you
There are also people who do bad things yet they are good people. That doesn't mean that the bad thing is now good by association. I don't respect a religion that is a bastardisation of someone elses culture (or even your own) based on some narcissistic desire to feel better than others. Whether that's in having access to a higher power, that they personally have mysterious power, to be more interesting out of fear they're not, or to simply use it as a way to make money. Put it this way. I belong to an American religion. As in, I believe that America is a god. So I go out and I drink coors lite and pray to a flag on the pick up truck because I know that the pick up truck and flag will answer my prayers unlike those other religions. It's part of my religion that I can park anywhere and shout racist slurs to my hearts content. I plan to travel to gods country and have been practising my slurs; I already have my cowboy outfit. I'm going to go over to America and build something on some native American's grave, as is part of my religion; I asked the flag and it said ok. They also do ask a higher power, that's what the whole ritual stuff and magic is about... That's what these "witches" are doing, but it's based on vague pagan and celtic things that they don't research but use because of the aesthetic. Good for them if they're good people, but that doesn't really matter. They're "pagan/celtic" weeaboos. They're a step up from furries, but it's the same sort of mental place. People struggling with identity and empathy issues that sees them project their mental health issues onto a random aspect of life and use that as the reason why they're not happy, or as a distraction in their lives from the things that are making them unhappy. Test it out for yourself. Do you know ANY "witch" that doesn't have any mental health issues? It's anecdotal, and could be pure correlation, but I've never met one that didn't and I've unfortunately known quite a few.
My year 8 science teacher was a practicing Wiccan. She never really mentioned it, we heard about it as a rumour first, although she let us do a (in retrospect, *extremely* good-humoured) "ask me anything about my kooky religion" session as a treat at the end of term once. Otherwise she was a completely normal mid 30s woman, unless you've got such a stick up your arse that being a bit of a yoga-granola type makes you "abnormal". If she was indeed mentally ill, she did a great job of managing it because the lessons were always above average and she never made us wait on getting our assignments back. Most of us can separate the normal crunchy witches like this from people with no respect
I've got no complaints about her at all. She sounds like a respectable person. I still believe what I do about the religion itself though. There are people who are good that do bad thigns and vice versa. I don't think that the religion is WHY she was a good person because religion barely ever has any bearing on whether someone is good or not. My issue isn't the people, it's the religion. I don't like the people that made the religion what it is, but that doesn't mean I hate everyone in that religion. For example, I hate England for putting the tories in for 15 years; but I don't hate someone just because they're English. Not all the English voted the tories, so they don't meet the criteria for that.
Ok, and this is my problem with you, I'm not going to blame anyone sharing a demographic with you. This is a personal issue. You are incredibly judgemental, not even including the ableism, the closed mindedness, the incredibly outdated hatred towards furries (like seriously, have we gone back in time to 2008 or something?). It's stupid to complain about a religion plagiarising another, older religion. Christianity has plagiarised multiple pagan figures and holidays, and religions stealing from the last big religion has been going back to the Phoenicians. There is no originality in religion, because religion is about what feels right to people and there are going to be common themes. If I were to not respect peoples religions, trust me when I say witchcraft is not nearly harmful enough to be on the first page of the list, you think witches are why gay people are being murdered in Uganda? It seems to me you want a reason to hate a group small enough they won't fight back. Now, this person is a shithead, sure, but she is not indicative of everyone who practices, and unless you want the precedent of groups being only represented by their worst members, I think you should understand that as a reasonable perspective
Sorry, you're completely off base here. Cultural appropriation isn't a good thing. The demographic isn't the issue, it's the behaviour. I've mental illness myself, I'm not being ableist or close-minded. My minds just not open enough for it to fall out so anyone can put any random nonsense in there. It's not stupid to criticise a religion for it's questionable begininng or it's questional behaviours. I was raised Christian and I share similar criticism with it; also for plagiarising pagan holidays and Ancient Egyptian and Persian (which is where we get the three kings from). Why would I be ok with one group doing the exact same behaviour I'm complaining about another group doing? "Religous people in Uganda are discriminatory towards gay people" <- Yeah, that's some bullshit too, obviously. That's also whataboutism. "It seems to me you want a reason to hate a group small enough they won't fight back." Then you using that whataboutism as a strawman to send a baseless ad hominen. Or, you know, it could be about the things I'm actually saying? Criticism doesn't mean prejudice. I'm also not interested in fighting them, these are my personal opinions about the whole thing. Get your head out your arse, this isn't about identity politics but generalised group behaviours. You belittle yourself with this "oh you must just hate minorites" shite. Based on a subtext that simply isn't there; pay attention to what's actually being said. Yes, I'm going to judge peoples behaviours and beliefs if they're going to use it, like this woman did, to excuse crimes. I do it with every other religion and I'll do it here too. Why? Because what if it's an actually good reason for what she was doing? It needs to be judged to understand. I judge Muslims when they want Sharia courts here because I know these courts are prejudice towards women and are invented to circumvent our own civil courts. That criticism doesn't apply to every muslim, obviously. "Now, this person is a shithead, sure, but she is not indicative of everyone who practices, and unless you want the precedent of groups being only represented by their worst members, I think you should understand that as a reasonable perspective" A glib response that's based on a strawhat ad hominen assumption that I'm judging a person's group identity rather than judging the groups generalised behaviour; it's much easier to argue if you misrepresent it like that. It is a reasonable position, which I support; but do you understand how it's irrelevent to this conversation? It's like I've told the Catholics that they should probably do something about the whole fiddly priest thing and you've turned round in defense of the catholics and went "they don't ALL do that". Yeah, they don't; they're clearly not the ones that we have an issue with. With this whole pagan/celtic cultural appropriation, the criticism is that it's completely fictatious from even the ACTUAL pagan religion, which we don't really know that much about. If they actually cared about it, they would put time and effort into research behind the actual religion; historical research. That would be much better than self inventing what's pagan and celtic and re-writing someone elses culture and history with what feels right to them. Instead they do aesthetic research and psuedo-relgious activities they self-invent. It's the same reason Americans believe the Irish wear kilts; it's motivated ignorance which leads them to proclaiming they're more Irish than the Irish. Like how some Christians misquote or misinterpret the bible in order to make it fit their personal requirements. That's the issue I have with witches; this physical stealing of our heritage is a seperate thing though it's metaphorically consistent with my arguments. I'm also not sure what you're talking about with the "outdated hate for furries". People who think they're actually animals are mentally ill. It's part of a umbrella of other personal identity disorders that are well known and well researched. Understanding the mechanic behind it doesn't mean that I hate those people anymore than me saying that "having a disorder that decreases dopmaine production" doesn't mean that I hate people with that specific type of depression. It's a step up from furries in every way; less debilitating, less social issues, less expensive, less invasive, tend to have less empathy issues as well as having less of an issue with sexual disorders and aggression issues. You're making accusations based on assumptions of my beliefs rather than replying to what was actually said about my beliefs. Furries are also still rather hated; from animal abuse, anti-social behaviour, assaults, bullying, emotional and physical domestic abuse, victimhood cultivation and attempting to force normalisation of this behaviour on society. Know what that normalisation has lead to? Now children are furries, that didn't used to happen; teens, aye, kids though? We've got schools with used litter trays, and kids thinking they're dogs biting people; this is what's replaced emo. Again, I don't hate furries. If you're someone who likes to dress up as a dog and you're not hurting anyone then I don't care; they're clearly not the one's I'm talking about which is evident from the identity mental health point I made. Rather than trying to work out which minority group you assume I'm prejudice to, why don't you look at what I actually said. Catholics working it out that those priests are an issue is something that will benefit that group identity. These people working on their mental health is something that will only benefit them. Don't assume criticism means prejudice.
In America our national and state parks slogan is, "Leave no trace" - take out what you take in, don't touch things, don't take things, leave it the way you found it. This hag is delusional
I’d think there’s plenty witches fae here that might take umbrage at this?
There are! That's how I found out about it in the first place but she's doubling, tripling down saying she's being bullied by the folk who are calling her out on it
I’d be worried about all the mad hexing coming her way lol.
As an American witch who would never do something like this, I can say she's not a witch, she's a cunt.
Yet you sound so Scottish, unexpected ending 😂❤️
I'll take that compliment ❤️🤣
As an American woman who claims to be sane, f\*\*k that c\*nt.
Any chance you can have a word with the stupid cunt for us? There's a crate of Irn Bru in it for you
Och aye the things I'd dae fer a crate a Bru! As a transplant in the Canadian north, I'm lucky to find a tin or 2 a year, 4 dollars a tin! I'd love a tin a day. I'd be absolutely skint, but I'd be a happy skint old lass!
You’re allowed to swear on the Internet btw, nobody’s going to tell on you.
Found her on tiktok and caught up with all of it. I am Pagan and have been for 20years. We are not the same but people often see Paganism as Wiccan/Witch adjacent. Anyone claiming to be a Witch of any kind that holds true to their beliefs would not have disturb the ground she found herself in. She would not have removed the stone. She would not have touched the site at all. There are posts all the time in the Wiccan sub's about finding areas in forests with burial stones, or things that might look like old Witch alters or ritual spaces and the one thing the comments always have in common is DON'T TOUCH WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW ... and the Rule of 3. You do not disturb sacred land and what is on it. You certainly do not take from it.
u/Lower_Nature_4112 I tried to post about this in one of the tiktok sub reddits and it got deleted for 'Your post/comment was removed for inflammatory conspiracy theories or political commentary/undertones'
What 🤣 wonder if she's a mod 👀
Some arrogant yank did this couple of years ago https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/rare-edinburgh-headstone-stolen-historic-24881451.amp
They would have enough to say if I went to Mt Rushmore and fucked all the way off with Lincolns' eyebrow.
The mountain gave me permission
The only logical response, obviously
These sites are protected, she’s disturbed an ancient burial site by taking items that should be left the fuck alone. She’s a disrespectful bastard
This breaks my heart. I just visited your country and everyone was so welcoming to us Americans. Does anyone know where she is? I’ll go beat her and send back the things she stole.
Found her. She doesn’t live by me but we got some people going over there.
For what it's worth, no genuine witch would disrespect the spirits of a place by removing or otherwise destroying a burial site. In the bounds of her own beliefs, she's truly screwed up. On the more practical side, she has committed a crime and should be fined/otherwise punished. If the Fae don't get her, Historic Scotland should :P
>no genuine witch
Witch is just a catch-all for someone who has a spiritual belief outside of monotheistic religions. Not everyone who calls themselves a witch thinks they can put spells on people or fly on a broom.
Aye, that was where I got stuck.
Ask the US government to please confiscate and return the stolen items and then declare her PNG
Papua New Guinea?
Persona Non Grata although Papua New Guinea would be fun too!
Or worse, a JPEG
This is infuriating because the law is the same in the US regarding damaging or removing cultural artifacts from our national parks. Punishment for removal is up to 2 years in prison and $20k in fines. If damage is also caused in the removal process then the penalties may increase to 10 yrs and $250k in fines. So the fact she is pretending that it was ok because the ground told her to or whatever is disingenuous.
She's a cunt
This is a heritage crime, plain and simple
Damaging a protected historic burial ground is illegal under Scots Law. End of story. I visited Clava cairns a few years ago, peaceful place. Within 5 minutes of stepping out the car a giant 80 seater outlander tour bus rocked up, tonnes of Americans got off and practically invaded the place. Climbing all over the stones, the fences, making one hell of an amount of noise. Shook my head in disgust, got in the car and drove off Idiots, no respect whatsoever.
Theft. Police need to lift her. Then get the dookin' stool oot and sort out if she is a real witch or not.
https://howardwilliamsblog.wordpress.com/2024/06/13/pebblegate-the-clava-cairns-returnthestone-controversy/#:~:text=The%20recent%20controversy%20relates%20to,a%20sizeable%20social%20media%20following. .. on this topic
So she's returning them then?
That seems like a genuinely intelligent, well researched and balanced take on it. Is it the same incident as this one?
My wife’s family live at Clava and have for generations. There is a family story about a Canadian distant uncle who came back and decided to take a stone home as a memento. He had so much bad luck for years after that he ended up posting the stone back to Clava.
Site robbing should. If everyone took "only a bit" there'd soon be nothing left!
At least she doesn’t claim to be Scottish, just a witch.
I hope the cairns curse her and her entire fucking bloodline.
Disgraceful. I can‘t take Washingtons wooden knob from the White House because „I asked the marble for permission.“ Biden would tell me off! Call the cops!
I believe the theft of stones would be a heritage crime under the 1979 ancient monuments and archeological areas act. You can report her to crimestoppers, 101, or [email protected]. https://www.historicenvironment.scot/media/9995/dsh-crime-facts-v16a.pdf
It's a wonder and a risk that so many of our ancient sites are free and open to walk right up to. We're very lucky to have this history and it's the responsibility of everyone to behave around it.
Return the slab ... or suffer my curse ...
“An American woman who claims to be a witch.” I’ve already deported her by this point.
Can you share a link to her TikTok page?
I’m sure she’s called brewitched
I found her, thank you! she’s going to send the stone back.
Brilliant, thanks for the update. Great things happen when r/Scotland gets involved!
What a wizards sleeve. I’m in America. I’ll grab something sacred from here to bring back.
Cannae bring guns hame mate
Grab Lincoln’s eyebrew - save ArtisticTrain a journey 😉
the declaration of independence should do
It's desecration of a sacred site.
Hiya, wannabe spooky bitch here. It’s not a religion for me, I just like connecting with what’s around me because it makes my brain happy. I’m also not far from the scene of the crime and the majority of us up here are fed up of tourist ‘witches’ / folk who think outlander is a true story. You’ll see plenty of them traipsing around Culloden leaving flowers for Jamie. If only there was a spell that would keep my eyes from rolling to the back of my brain. Ah well, at least the tourist shops in Inverness are making some money off the back of it. She’s saying she’s being bullied because she’s been called out, and is another outlander ghoul who’s fine with some light desecration. She should be realising now that what she done is at minimum bringing very bad karma her way, but no. She’s doubling down with a shitty catchphrase ‘it’s not about the stone’ and saying (despite the many comments saying otherwise) that Scottish people aren’t offended. She also apparently brought back plants including a branch with lichen on it. That’s a big no no in the US, especially the southern states, and you need a licence to import plant matter legally. She is back in the US now, and I can only hope she gets a chap at the door soon.
Social media has a lot to answer for.
Anyone got her address, I'm going to break in, change the locks and say the ground demanded I move in. I'm sure she would understand..😏
Jesus Mary and Bono, what a lunatic. I hope she's prosecuted. Subpoena her woowoo ass and drag her back to face charges.
Its illegal in most countries moreover she is no witch. No way.
I really think some people need a damn good slap in the face.
“She’s a fanny but let’s not get weird” That’s the best line I’ve heard in years, brilliant. 👏🏻👏🏻
Hopefully the Beaker bloke it belongs to haunts her until she retuuuurns the slaaaaab
People get really weird at Clava Cairns. I turned up once and a French group was there doing group mediations and walking all over the cairns tapping them with metal poles, despite signs saying not to walk on them. It’s so disrespectful.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13521811/Trouble-brews-ancient-Outlander-stone-circle-witch-told-shell-cursed-removing-pebble-tree-branch-ancient-Scottish-burial-site-spiriting-away-Atlantic.html
The stone seems to have aged her quite a bit in the last photo - she should probably send it all back before she disintegrates into dust.
Anyone who desecrates a burial site deserves whatever they get.
I'm so angry and disgusted with these stories. They're almost always Americans. Makes me embarrassed. Is there any kind of international law that could be applied to force her to return them (assuming she's back in the US now)?
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Not sure actually, hope so!
Any solid links to her?
As in personally or social media etc?
Either, this kind of vandalism has to be stopped, especially when perpetrated by a self entitled foreigner.
I have her TikTok but would rather not post it publicly
Its ok, don't worry. It would mean I'd have open a Tik Tok account. somebody needs to pan her lights in.
I'm maybe showing my ignorance here but are the Clava Cairns well known? OP didn't put any context in the post but everyone seems to know what and where they are. I live in Inverness but thought they were just a minor local landmark.
Such a vile and disgusting act. We don't claim her. Do with her as you will.
She's an entitled arsehole who is quite rightly being torn a new one.
If she's still in the country the police should interview her. Septics, unbelievable.
Amazingly entitled, sounds American.
Americans are freaks
Americans are revoltingly entitled in the main. Would be happy never to see another one again.
It was a chuckie off the path - she’s a daftie.
Disnae matter, its oor chuckies, no hers... thieving cunt...
We should burn her at the stake.
Do we have her Facebook details? Make her life hell.
Burn 🔥 the witch 🧙♀️
Drown or burn the witch
I can’t even…woman needs a spanking. I hope she’s arrested and charged.
I'm not overly offended, a rock is a rock, the clava cairns are fairly large ones so I assume she's picked a wee stone off the ground? However she should be made to return it as a wee warning to other tourists.
Exactly, as another commenter said I think it sets a precedent, a Chuckie from a path one minute and a couple twigs, a part of the monument next.
More importantly, why are we not setting up businesses selling them shitty wee stones in the first place. Give the people what they want but ask that they be returned within 10 years or the Outlander curse will hunt down their firstborn.
LMAO. ok yes. New business venture sorted.
I'm pretty sure they do this at a Muslim pilgrimage site!
Has anyone actually watched her video? The “stone” in question is pebble sized. I mean people will get worked up over literally nothing online. I’m sure she’s loving the exposure she’s getting
It's the desecration of a gravesite. Online has nothing to do with it, have you looked at the news?
https://www.businessinsider.com/british-empire-stole-cultural-artifacts-colonialism-repatriation-parthenon-benin-rosetta-2022-9 Perhaps the pot should think twice before calling out the kettle?
This is the thing, it's a pebble one time then it sets a precedent for other people thinking it's ok to take things from heritage sites and eventually it'll escalate. Can you imagine the state of the place if everyone just took a bit?
People can’t have it both ways, for those immersed in witchery, spell making and other ludicrous hobbies do actually believe in it so if she says she got permission from the ground you better believe she believes it. Is it really her fault?
Yes
I get both sides of this argument. We shouldn’t take things, out of respect. But who has the right to claim it’s theirs?
Sure as shit not some random tourist, that's for sure. She doesn't have a side to stand on. The site is managed by Historic Environment Scotland but "belongs" to the nation. More broadly, the people who made and used the Clava Cairns were the Neolithic / Early Bronze Age ancestors of people in the isles today - Britain has a surprising amount of continuity from prehistoric peoples to modern ones, of course with some influxes of migration all the while. Would you say "who has the right to claim it's theirs" about the mo'ai of Easter Island for Easter Islanders, or the Pyramids of Giza for Egyptians, or the Parthenon for Greeks if the people living in those places today lay claim to it?
The government, HES and the people who live in the area? What state do you think places of historical and cultural significance would be if everyone just took a bit because "who has the right to claim it's theirs"?
Sounds like a mental health issue so needs dealt with delicately although it is just a load of stones. It has significance in this area so maybe she should hand it back and fuck off back home. A tricky one.
Me and many of my friends have mental health issues and not once have we been tempted to rob a historic site. It's a deluded, narcissistic idiot issue, not a mental health issue.
If she said the ground gave her permission and she believes she is a witch, that sounds a bit suspect to me.
I just had a read over the story in the Daily Mail *shudder* It’s much ado about nothing. If it’s a crime then charge her, if it’s poor taste then let’s argue about it online between ourselves. Adults actually talking about curses and witchcraft though, behave.
Less mental health, more personality disorder. Possibly BPD or NPD, probably a mix of both.