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ProfuseMongoose

According to the Strauss–Howe generational theory, every 20 yrs represents one phase of the cycle that repeats every 80 yrs. The theory has it's flaws but it is intriguing. In it's simplest form, every 21 years we enter a new cycle as young people react to their parents generations values. We are supposed to be in the 'crisis' cycle point. But the great thing about the crisis part of the cycle is that it brings about fairly radical change. It can also bring war. **High**, a post-crisis era where society has confident focus on a particular direction, then **Awakening**, an era when idealism and individualism grow and social discipline weakens, then **Unraveling**, an era of more ideology and autonomy and more distrust of institutions, then, **Crisis**, an era of social conflict and perceived threat that spurs significant social reforms. This theory is intriguing, I think it has merit even though it feels like tea leaf reading, it somehow gives me comfort. We've gotten through this before and I think one of the lessons would be to make the 'highs' more responsible and the 'crisis' points less deadly.


Izaac4

I’ve never heard of this before- but honestly it explains so much that it’s comforting for me too


InertPistachio

It's simply because we are not born with historical memory. Any lessons learned by people are pretty much faded away within 2 generations


HumanInProgress8530

I fully recommend looking into The 4th Turning


Mockington6

So that means in 20 years we will be in a new High?


CA5P3R_1

The new high is projected to begin in the early 2030's. Source: I've read both books "The Fourth Turning" and "The Fourth Turning Is Here"


Mockington6

Oh hell yeah. Thank you, thank gives me something to be hopeful about.


ipolishthesky

After we've passed the point of no return for climate change? Unlikely.


Accursed_Capybara

Don't worry it won't be until the 2050s and 60s that it all comes apart...


SomeGuyOverYonder

I disagree. 2030 at the latest.


Accursed_Capybara

Guess we'll find out 🙃


SomeGuyOverYonder

That we will


ForsaketheVoid

yeah I remember reading a study from the 70s that said, if nothing changes, shit will hit the fan in 2050. they did a 50-year-later review and, surprise surprise, nothing has changed. we're on the route to disaster in 2050 lol


EldenCockRing98

What’s really interesting about this theory is if you look at where we were 80 years ago a lot of people died…


Alone_Repeat_6987

what's after crisis?


ChastisingChihuahua

crisis 2


AD041010

I listened to a podcast on it they reference this generation as being the 4th turning and this theory roughly coincides with the world wars and going back to the civil war and back


byteminer

Honestly, It's mostly time to stop looking at things which call themselves "news". There is no news on TV or the internet. There are outlets to sell you advertising and gather your data. The best way to do that is keep you in a constant state of panic so you keep checking obsessively to see if the world is ending. If something *actually* important happens, you'll hear. If you have a local news source, maybe look at that since things in there might actually impact your life like road closures. Word of mouth or something will get actual big events to you, and then you can go look for information if you want. If you stay on social media, curate your feeds so you only bother with things you enjoy like hobbies or movies or something. Political ranting on the internet is just a million monkeys flinging their shit at one another. The world is mostly okay, mostly boring, and not generally something normal people need to have 24/7 news feeds about aimed directly at their eyeballs. Concern yourself with making life comfortable for the people you care about, and making the community you live clean, peaceful and happy. If everyone did that, the world would sort itself out.


Grand_Ad931

Precisely


TheCheshireGhost

Great advice. As the world darkens we need to be more responsible for what we allow to take our time.


10xwannabe

Boy. Here is someone who actually understands how propaganda and the world actually works. Kudos. MSM and social media is entertainment don't let it actually effect your mind. That INCLUDES politics. If you can't tell that they are trying to change your political views ALL THE TIME... then I have bridge to sell you.


ipolishthesky

> The world is mostly okay Stares in Gaza.


byteminer

Hence, “mostly”


CobBasedLifeform

Idk, you extrapolate out from the fact that Gaza is a shit show, then you see that we are supplying most of the weaponry. Via what mechanism? Our military. The same military that excluded itself from being counted in the U.S.'s climate emissions (the U.S. military is the biggest greenhouse gas emitter on the planet) and therefore it's climate mitigation requirements. Extrapolate that out further and see that we have an insurgent fascist movement being funded by think tanks ran by wealthy Christian nationalists who want to upend democracy so they can continue fueling a genocide, while continuing to fuel the destruction of the planet via environmental deregulation and military conquest, and I would venture to say that things are not "Mostly" okay. But maybe I'm just a pessimist who pays too much attention to the "entertainment" as you referred to it.


byteminer

Keep on spiraling and panicking over everything you can’t control and you will lose your mind.


CobBasedLifeform

But that's my point. You're telling people to check out (suspicious in itself) when these things are ALL CONNECTED. The only way for meaningful change to be made is for people to educate themselves and reckon with the consequences of our inaction. That isn't achieved by checking out of the news and resigning to safe echo-chambers of toxic positivity that lulls people to sleep as we slow-march toward our own destruction.


byteminer

Jesus Christ that’s what you get out of what I said? Not obsessing over every minutia of everything you cannot possibly change whilst doing the things you can to make the world better and focusing on that is a bad thing? You can vote, you can protest, you can be politically active. Staring at death counts or being marinated in doom and gloom doesn’t do a damn thing to fix any of those problems, it only makes people miserable. Same with screaming about them to strangers on the internet.


CobBasedLifeform

Who is screaming? This is serious conversation. Let me know when you're interested in having one.


hannibal_lecter01

The same people that don’t make real change say “vote and protest” - no, we’re past that, I think it’s time to be fierce & fuck shit up. Voting doesn’t work. They’re all for the same team - Greed. Lol So yes, when you tell someone not to obsess over every bad thing… I feel like the only people that ever have this advice are the same people that say “you can get involved, just vote and protest.” and say they choose to not read the news/inform themselves because it’s too overwhelming.


Comfortable-Rise7201

Is mutually assured destruction not enough to deter nuclear war? No country would risk getting nuked themselves in response to nuking someone else, which is part of why North Korea has never made any serious use of them, and why no one's nuked north korea either. I don't personally see any threat from nukes today, and it also depends on how they're used and to what extent. AI can do a lot of things, but it'll never be exactly human-like as far as we can tell, given the complexity of the human brain and the hard problem of consciousness. Images it makes are always a little uncanny at best, and its capabilities are only as good as the training models it's based on (which aren't infallible). If you could be more specific about what part of AI is terrifying, that'd help the discussion a bit more. Sometimes it isn't AI in isolation that's problematic, but how it's implemented (e.g. biased facial recognition technology). There's "the world," and then there's our individual bubbles (neighborhoods, work life, family we come home to, etc.). Sometimes the the outer world affects our bubble to an extent, sometimes they never even interact, and that's important to consider.


fieldy409

I think mutually assured destruction isn't quite as bulletproof as you think. Like the leader could be completely heartless or crazy. It only has to happen once to trigger a huge tragedy and we'll always have nukes. It might be a massive deterrent but people are unpredictable, what's to say in the next hundred or thousand years it can't happen once?


Comfortable-Rise7201

I don't think it's necessarily bullet proof either, but it does force countries to come up with alternative approaches to conflict. That's how I frame it at least. There's always some alternative way of changing the power dynamic in an international military conflict, and it usually relies on surprise. The US using nukes at the end of WW2 only worked to force Japan to surrender right away because it was unexpected; nowadays, the threat is better accounted for since more countries own them, and so the nature of conflict resolution between such countries has to adapt to that. If there were some other completely unexpected and unaccounted-for threat that would bring one country an advantage over another, but it could only happen one time, I think that would be more sought after.


ScottyBoneman

Unfortunately the solid lesson from Ukraine is that assurances of protection are vulnerable to domestic politics, national self interest as fear of nuclear weapons; and therefore no substitute for your own nuclear weapons.


Responsible_Ebb3962

But nuclear weaponary is never in the hands of one man. Its unrealistic to think one person could just say the word and press a button, there is whole series of events thst follow before its even launched. 


domdomdom333

If a leader is crazy enough to go ahead and suicide with mutually assured destruction, alternatives were war anyways. In a way at least with nukes your suffering would end quickly, than having to be drafted, trained for months just to die in a trench against a AI drone swarm where you get to breathe your last breaths as you lie bleeding with broken bones thinking about what could have been.


fieldy409

Nukes can leave you blind, radiation sick and burned while trapped in a city buried under rubble where no help is coming because every road is torn up. If you were in the ring that gets vaporised sure but outside that it's a horror story.


LiquidPuzzle

We've never been closer to having an authoritarian takeover of the US. If that happens, all bets are off.


MaleficentGuard9696

That's actually a good point you make there, no country would want that risk themselves. Not even someone with that kind of power. It's just the concept itself that I find horrific, the idea that even if it were an off chance. But definitely, great point.


Marsmooncow

Read " nuclear war a scenario " for a terrifying look at how and why I could happen today . I believed in MAD as well but there are so many cracks in the armour and most of them are people


Delicious_Summer7839

I think we’re moving away from what they called. Mutual assured destruction to an earlier doctrine called “flexible response“ which means “yes we reserve the right to use nuclear weapons first“ The SIOP that were developed in the 50s and bounced back-and-forth between flexible response and an assured destruction deterrent .


Positive_Panda_4958

I would go back in history and read this exact same paragraph, written over and over again, every decade, every century. Imagine being a medieval villager during a Mongol invasion. They definitely thought the world was ending, too. Every generation was stupid when they were young. Plato said that. Their damned wild notions. It never has actually ended, and frankly life isn’t worth living if you’re worried in a constant state of dread about it.


KupunaMineur

Yep. I can only imagine OP living during the Cuban Missile Crisis when they went DEFCON 2 and dispersed the nuclear bomber force.


DandierChip

Imagine having a lottery where you could go get selected to fight in Vietnam.


LiquidPuzzle

I think back to the 2018 Hawaiian missile crisis. The entire state received an emergency text stating inbound nuclear missles were imminent. They didn't send out the oopsie false alarm text for close to an hour. I probably would have lost it if that happened to me.


Accursed_Capybara

I'm sure the villagers executed before the Nine Bands didn't care that the world wasn't ending, their world ended.


EasyBounce

>Not to sound like an old guy, but our most recent generation is lacking any discipline and their brains are being mushed by technology. Are you Gen X? I ask because I am too. I think our generation will be historically very important because we are the last generation of the whole entire human race to grow to adulthood without the internet and social media. I'm glad I did, that's for damn sure. It's changed us all and the people that have had access to it from birth and grew up with lazy parents that let a screen raise their kids for them are just...in trouble. Soft and weak and totally lost if they're offline. No sense of danger or threatening situations. The over-connectedness makes them too caught up in what others, strangers think about them and they can't ever get away from bullies. If they have parents that put too much of their kids' personal stuff online or heaven forbid, are doing the Instagram and YouTube "sharenting" bullshit and damaging their kids for useless Internet clout... they're screwed before they leave elementary school. There will eventually be a whole new addendum to the DSM for Internet related trauma and mental disorders. I hope the people who are predicting that there will be a future trend in young people toward voluntarily avoiding social media, porn and other online fuckery are right because it's harming them to be exposed to it too young. As for the nuclear war stuff, take a step back and disengage from whatever you're looking at that's making you worry about it so much right now. You're falling into a different mental trap waiting for you online: media manipulation of your emotions through fearmongering and rage bait pumped out around the clock online and on TV. Remember, whatever horrible scenario you're currently sweating over is highly unlikely to happen. You personally can do nothing to stop it even if it did.


upfastcurier

>nuclear war I think of Lehrer's "We will all go together when we go" song. It is strangely comforting. Tom Lehrer lived through the US-Soviet cold war phase were they prepared for nuclear apocalypse. He lives today even (most of his stuff is black and white, from after 2nd World War 2 and onward). Guy is a genius. https://youtu.be/frAEmhqdLFs?si=NFLbGlVIj28EoAPO He has a strange, comical, morbid and yet reassuring performance about the end of the world. Great song.


ScottyBoneman

Call me old and sentimental, but you can't top [Vera Lynn](https://youtu.be/15YgdrhrCM8?si=6jx_L1fb_9mXFJ0o)


48stateMave

Vera...... Vera....... What has become of you? Does anybody else in here feel the way I do?


MaleficentGuard9696

No, I was born in 2004, I'll be 20 in the fall.


TenaciousPrawn

It shows. If you had lived through the Cold War you would probably have a different perspective.


yoymeneyoy

Once I woke up from nightmare and worse thing about that nightmare were not people and events that tortured me in nigtmare. The worst thing was absence of hope. Thats the worst thing in every nightmare and thats how I imagine the world in not so distant future. EDIT: good morning to you also


48stateMave

>The worst thing was absence of hope. Welcome to my world.


Inside_Development24

Wars can only accomplish 1 thing. Nurtures hate for generations. Most of the time, it is all due to wealthy folkes, wealthy politicians egos. It's the regular folks & especially the children that will be doing the majority of the dying & suffering. Regular folks really don't have any way to stop it. Regular folks, regardless of country, are so powerless to stop their leaders. Regular folks have to unite in massive numbers just to even try. Yet we are too divided with each other to even try.


Ninjalikestoast

I like what you have to say. The US was supposed to be a “new” way of doing things, to avoid such traps of division and government monarchy. It’s becoming more evident by the day that we, as a people, have failed in keeping our leaders honest and accountable. The citizens were meant to moderate the government, not the other way around. And when things got too far one way, removing and voting in new leadership was required. Separating people and keeping them on opposing “teams” is the oldest trick in the book. People fall for the trap every single day. Hell. They will openly endorse AND give money to the very people that are abusing them. It’s very depressing to think about, so I’ll just leave it there 🤷🏻‍♂️


Unlikely-Creme-3251

I mean I always thought if World War Three happened humanity would find a way to survive even in a nuclear wasteland. I do feel bad for my deformed descendants though...


Faunaholic

I grew up during the Cold War and we had monthly duck, cover and hold drills at school along with air raid sirens being tested the last Friday of every month and we made a habit of noting fall out shelters. This was all terribly silly as if there had been a nuclear attack ducking beneath your flimsy wooden desk and plastic chair was not going to do anything to protect you. Things improved immensely when the Berlin Wall came down - then the media found another crises to harp on. AIDS became the crises, then predictions of global famine, running out of fossil fuels, global warming that then morphed into climate change, etc, etc - keeping the populace in a constant state of fear. There is no point in worrying about it, you can’t control the universe - you keep living and doing what you need to do on a daily basis. Somehow humanity keeps muddling through


Xemptuous

To say the younger generation doesn't work hard and that technology will make their brains mush is a bit of a stereotypical position to take. Processing speed and general FSIQ is up across the board due to technology. As for laziness, I don't know what you mean. Most couples are both working full time just to barely afford rent, and most are putting off having children due to economic factors. Pensions are gone, AI threatens our jobs, the economy is crap, and we're regaled with stories by our grandparents of how 1 person used to work 1 job and could afford a mortgage, and how college was dirt cheap. Instead kf feeling such a divide and separation with the younger generation, why not try and empathize and understand how what's left for the children is often a direct result of the efforts and decisions of the parents and the previous generation?


passonep

> “it’s seems everybody is at each others throats” are you seeing that in real life, or only online and as portrayed by news media?


A-dub7

You've good reason to be concerned, there's more division being pushed now than ever before. Can't trust anything the MSM or politicians say, there's a huge push from the wealthy class to form a world government of control and is playing cat and mouse with nuclear superpowers. There's really nothing you and I can do about any of it so we should limit how much we consume negative information and try to enjoy one day at a time. Best wishes.


ScienceAlternative93

I personally am not scared. You worry about war or something else. Not one person is promised another day no matter what the circumstances or problems of the world is. Live as best as you can till that day comes and praise the Lord your allowed one more day if you get it


Ok-Autumn

People were probably terrified of the notion of flying before planes were invented, and of computers when they were in their early days. But now both of those things co-exist with us and benefit us daily. I feel like this will ultimately be the same with Ai. Everyone fears things that are unknown at first.


bigload698

yea I can’t wait for the collapse of society. I have been at the bottom too long, we need a change up. 


IllustriousPickle657

Powerful people who want to stay in power and have absolute belief that they are right in everything they do. Ego will not allow these people to step back and stand down. Ego, self righteousness and greed are going to destroy the human race.


GamesCatsComics

Chill dude. No one wants nuclear war. Russia isn't going to nuke the world because the USA is providing weapons. AI isn't real, it's just a language model that understands and regurgitates the Internet. It's not actually intelligent nor does it have control over anything. And every generation has complained about the next generation, it's been going on since the dawn of time, you're just perpetuating that cycle.


Chemical-Ad-7575

"...stakes of a nuclear war are very high right now, especially since America is getting involved now." Nah this is nothing new. Go back and look at the Cuban missile crisis and the stuff that prompted the SALT and START talks. "And I wish I didn't have to be afraid of tomorrow. " Then don't be. You can't control it and your influence is limited to the people you vote in to represent you (so don't vote in people who either want conflict, benefit from it or can't control themselves if threatened.) "Not to sound like an old guy, but our most recent generation is lacking any discipline and their brains are being mushed by technology." Yes and no. People have been making the same complaints for 1000's of years. (Literally you can look up older folks bemoaning the younger generations.) This isn't really any different. The more things change the more they stay the same. "Who knows what kind of stuff AI will do in the future?" It'll have good and it'll have bad same as any new technology. At the end of the day though, the only constant in life is change. If you allow yourself to stagnate you'll be left behind.


Peaceandlove1212

It is so divided now that you cannot have a political opinion without another person completely bashing you, you losing your job. Whatever happened to having a difference of opinion, but being able to be cordial. The wages are solo and the prices are just continuously rising higher.


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It’s because ppl are very, very financially insecure. Kids and everything else are expensive. That happy home with a family is a reality that’s faded away.


Grand_Taste_8737

Control what you can control and don't worry so much about what you can't control. Also, avoiding the 24 hr news networks is one of the best decisions I've ever made.


Klutzy_Act2033

I have to admit as a Canadian about to turn 40, I've become scared in a way I haven't previously experienced. I'm not specifically scared of nuclear war, and there's a part of me that thinks that might not be the worst option. I am scared of the potential of NATO falling apart and war coming to North America. I'm scared of the Russians coming over the pole, or the Americans coming from the south because Canada has water, and other resources. I would, obviously, prefer the Americans being the invaders but also ya'll have some crazy religious extremists. Enough, or a big enough nuke on my city and I wouldn't have to experience what comes after. A conventional war seems harder to escape.


Unhappy_Draw_8291

This is a big reason why I decided I will not be having any children of my own. Can’t bring anyone new here in good conscience, and that’s my choice. I just want to live the best life I can in the time that I have.


Glad-Chemist-7220

You are definitely right to feel that way. I know it's a horrible reality to face and we don't want to admit it but it's true. More people need to understand, we need to stand together and at least be heard. We have to try to spark a change. We can't act like nobody will ever bomb us, it's not that crazy of a theory. Places are being bombed right now. It would be ignorant and naive of us to think we are protected from that.  People just want to laugh it off and make wise cracks but it's so scary. What happens when something happens? And none of us are prepared because we believed that we were safe?  I just wish the people could stop arguing for 5 seconds and look at the bigger picture. So many things need to change. 


No-Engine2533

22M and I’m pretty scared of getting older, if I’m fortunate enough to have a family that takes care of me when I’m not able to from old age that would be nice. It seems like it’s about the money now more than ever than caring for people in just about every job. And with streaming becoming so popular and people not wanting to take on essential roles it seems like we’re closing than ever to falling apart as a society


sephstorm

>It's not being discussed much on mainstream news Because its not a concern at the moment. The media is designed to make you fearful, to make you tune in. Depending on where you live the chances are you have nothing to worry about. There is almost always horrible conflict going on somewhere in the world. There are many things in flux right now, and some choices the world will need to make. But until those choices are made, theres little reason to go stressing out.


Vainmein

The end has been nigh for as long as anyone can remember, friend. Taking it in stride, tending to the part of the garden you can touch, and spreading positive energy may be the wisest, most beneficial thing we could commit ourselves to.


Sea-Lengthiness-3335

You don't want to "die" The obstacle to nuclear war isn't lack of ability or outrage. It's fear. You have to realize that any large scale nuclear war would have worldwide effects.  Despite the ongoing conflicts the world over, the standard of living has increased exponentially over the last century. People live longer and are richer now than ever before.  The world scale wars of the previous century aren't really feasible these days either. Military might has progressed to the point where overwhelming and precise force can be distributed globally at any time.  I agree with the diminishing intellect of the average citizen, but objectively speaking, the opposite is also true. The dumb people are getting dumber, but the smart people are getting WAY smarter. Building on the knowledge of others using all the tools and resources of the modern era has led to greater breakthroughs in understanding than ever before.  When I think of these factors, I think to myself how well most of the world lives compared to previous generations. I do not think that people would so easily give up that standard of living for ideology these days. From an elites perspective, it's actually better than ever to reduce wars, keep conflicts to a minimum, etc. More people than ever before means more money and resources flowing to those in power. Any catastrophic loss of human life would simply be detrimental to financial control.  The world is certainly trending towards strange times, but I genuinely believe that people will not give up the comforts of their modern lives for a war. Particularly in the west. It's hard to make a revolutionary out of a man with food, shelter, and a family. 


nosirrybob

Stop consuming media that shows you upsetting things you can do nothing about. The incentive is to maximize viewership. They appeal to emotion intentionally. Your experience of the world is what you pay attention to. If a nuke goes off, it goes off. Following some multi-year decline into chaos before it happens will do you no good. Everybody is not at each others throats. Go outside, talk to people. 90% of people are cool.


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domdomdom333

Mutually assured destruction guarantees no one will use nukes. Nukes are merely a tool used to bully nations that do not have nukes. To be in fear of a potential nuclear war now is wasting emotional strength. Not gonna happen and if it would, you're very likely not to be the target.


felurian182

As I get older and the more I learn the more I get concerned for the future, on a smaller scale something that has me worried is that there are a lot less bugs than I’m used to seeing. Flies around the manure or dragonflies around the pond. As I walked in the woods there are certain areas where frogs normally tend to be, this year I have only seen one where I’m used to seeing thousands, so many that their vocalizations keep me awake at night. Now I’m awake for a far different reason.


Upstairs-Pound-7205

The difficult thing is that each generation forgets the horror of the meat grinder that is war. They always think that this time will be different or that it will be over in 3 days. Then after the grim calculus everyone suddenly realizes that it’s all bull crap for the most part.


Great_Trick_3002

I could use a lot of words but I'll say if it was going to happen it would have happened by now. It actually gives me a lot of faith that if we didnt nuke eachother to smithereens we wont AI each other to smithereens. Whatever that means. Far more concerned about mass job displacement and whether or not and how soon UBI will be implemented. That's assuming iRobot doesn't happen. Ehhh well be fine.


SomeGuyOverYonder

If a nuclear war ever breaks out, I don’t want to survive it. I’d rather instantly be incinerated in the initial blast.


Severe-Unit911

The world is not getting worse solely because of historical mistakes, but rather due to a complex interplay of factors including geopolitical tensions, economic disparities, environmental challenges, and social injustices. Ignoring the lessons of history exacerbates these problems and increases the likelihood of repeating past mistakes. To be honest, I believe that the root of many world issues lies with those in positions of power rather than the general public. While individuals certainly play a significant role, ultimately, the actions of government officials and leaders have a major impact. While advocating for random acts of kindness is important on a personal level, true widespread change will only come when those in power prioritize empathy, tolerance, and the values of peace, justice, and equality for all. Without this fundamental shift, the future trajectory of our nation and the world at large may be concerning over the next 50 to 100 years.


BillsbroBaggins

People need to drop their loyalty for parties. The parties con us all and keep us fighting each other. Both parties are right about something. Both parties are wrong for many reasons. Why are we so loyal to those who are not loyal to us? We didn’t end up where we are because the government was genuinely trying to govern and bring honor to their positions. No we ended up here due to corruption.


Sapriste

This was probably chiseled on a stone in France in the caveman days. No one wants a nuclear war and the largest vector for nuclear arms use would be among those who currently don't posses these arms. An unhinged Russia might set off a tactical nuke if they are getting trounced, but the response will not be nuclear unless the strike is in NATO. Whether the US or NATO look for peaceful resolutions or not requires the cooperation of the opponents. If you respond to sanctions and time is not a factor we have that avenue. If you do not and you are imperiling the peace and tranquility of the world. There are vast swaths of this planet that do not have advanced interconnected economies and a civically aware population. They have nothing to lose, and leadership is and will remain comfortable.


sunflowertroll

All the stuff that is happening I was told it was gonna happen when I was about 10 years old. And I witnessed this stuff happen…but some of the other stuff didn’t happen yet. But I believe it will happen very soon. Maybe 10 or 20 years? I’m not sure.


happilynobody

Couple thoughts. If you can, I’d encourage you to vote. It’s my opinion that considering the extreme possible consequences of unlikely catastrophic events like nuclear war that using your vote to support x candidate because you believe they are less likely to engage in nuclear war is possibly the single most valuable thing you can do with your time in your entire life. Even if the likelihood of one leader enabling nuclear war is 0.001% higher than another’s, and the likelihood that your single vote sways an election is the same, when scaled against the death of ALL LIFE on earth, it’s extremely important to consider. Next is — detach. Focus on what you can control and influence. Seek happiness. Protect your peace. Avoid the news. Monitor your attention and your emotions and learn and practice grounding. Exercise and escape as often as you can.


PigeonsArePopular

People in power benefit from those out of power being afraid. People do things they otherwise would not when afraid, they don't think straight. Fear is the mindkiller. That is not to say you are wrong to be concerned. Keep your wits about you. Sort real fears (sleepwalking into nuclear exchange) from phantom fears/marketing hype (AI, IMO).


Hangry_Squirrel

Is this code for "we shouldn't help Ukraine"? And do the peaceful resolutions involve Ukraine ceding a large part of its territory to Russia? The chances of a nuclear war are minute. Russia has been explicitly told that using tactical weapons in Ukraine will result in the immediate destruction of their troops and installations there with conventional weapons. Very importantly, China has made it clear that it will not support Russia if it launches a nuclear attack first. It's simply not an option and everyone needs to understand that this sort of threats are no more than saber-rattling.


galaxy_ultra_user

Well in my opinion yes, it’s not our job to protect Ukraine or give them money or weapons etc. Russia would be a way stronger ally as well but that’s beside the point the democrats have made this decision and it’s not the best decision for America, all I care about is America and what’s best for America allying with Russia would be better for America than Ukraine which doesn’t have much to offer America.


Dom__in__NYC

1963 called. They want your neuroticism back. Seriously, people have been concerned about the world literally since the days of Ugh the shaman and Egh the hunter. The exact concerns shifted. The mentality behind them remains the same. I'm pretty sure the poor schmucks living back during Bronze Age collapse, or Hun/Mongol/Norma/ invasions, or WW2, or Cuban Missile Crisis, had far more problems than you can even think of, never mind than you actually have. Honestly, the problem is less the world (seriously, read some history. **You are literally living in one of the most peaceful, prosperous times ever** - I'm NOT being sarcastic). **The problem is in your head.** Go talk to a therapist. Get off Internet and walk in real nature, do real things, pay attention to real people instead of 24h news cycle whose literal purpose in life is to doom-and-gloom you to pay attention to their advertisers. While at it, pick up several history books or history podcasts, to learn how the world always was. And there are several good books expanding on my main point (that **you are literally living in one of the most peaceful, prosperous times ever**)


Careless_Problem_865

Literally EVERYTHING that you talked about is why JW’s go preaching from door-to-door. Next time we knock on your door try raising these concerns. You will be pleasantly surprised by what you uncover. I am not sure if you are a Bible reader, but if you are here, some good scriptures to give you hope. 2Peter 3:13, Isaiah 65:17 and Isaiah 66:22. 2Tim 3:1-5, Revelation 21:3,4. Daniel 2:44, Isaiah 9:6,7. Jesus raised the dead, fed many, healed sicknesses, but he also knew how to party. He turned water into wine, and he went to many parties while he was alive. Life on earth under his rulership will be amazing and fun without all the of the greedy human political elements, false religious elements, and big business elements.


Spindoendo

Lmao


Careless_Problem_865

Political elements: lobbyists, special interests groups and political leaders making promises while fattening their pockets with taxpayer money and payoffs. False religious elements: any religious organization supporting wars and genocides and the entities that promote them, governmental or otherwise. Big business: Do I really have to explain this one? Anything publicly traded is to the detriment of the people and to the benefit of shareholders. You may be laughing but many are suffering under human rulership. Some much more than others. Hence Daniel 2:44. Man is not able to govern this planet effectively answering the universal question as to whether or not the first human couple made the right decision by rejecting Gods sovereignty. He has promised to restore the earth to a beautiful paradise and this time there will be no doubt to his sovereignty. Anyone anywhere who has been staying up to date on world affairs can at least appreciate that we have made a mess of things trying to go solo.


Spindoendo

Lmao


Careless_Problem_865

Its all good. I get it. I don’t even normally share my beliefs just because of this reaction. But I was literally reading something on jw.org literally right before reading OP’s post. Sorry I couldn’t help myself. 🤭


Due-Ad1337

Ahahahahaha It's really the "will be" part of >his rulership will be amazing that I really get hung up on.


Careless_Problem_865

God has promised to get rid of governmental systems that are abusing their power and neglecting the common people. God has also promised to get rid of religious entities that are promoting war. And he has also promised to get rid of exploitative big business. Many people have suffered tremendously at the hands of these big three. They fail to bring true peace and security. There is literally an article on the homepage of JW.org talking about what OP and many others are concerned about.


Due-Ad1337

Who has promised? Where and when and to whom?


Careless_Problem_865

Scroll up🙃


Due-Ad1337

Isaiah, Peter, Daniel, Jesus...? Sorry, never met em. Also, all dead and gone forever.


Careless_Problem_865

Isaiah and Daniel are indeed dead awaiting resurrection to a paradise earth and Jesus and Peter are in heaven, awaiting God‘s appointed time to restore the earth to gods original purpose. Jesus will be king over the Earth and Peter, and the others who were resurrected to heaven will be ruling with him as priests and kings. Revelation 20:6. The Earth will be an enjoyable, fun and safe place to live. This is what God originally purposed from the beginning.


Due-Ad1337

None of that is ever gonna happen. The dead live on in our memories and stories, and that's all. No one has ever been resurrected from the dead, and they never will be. Who sold you all these lies, and why did you believe them? I'm truly sorry if it was your own flesh and blood parents who did this to you.


Careless_Problem_865

Since numerous various specific Bible prophecies have definitely come true proving our Creators ability to accurately foretell future events. Why wouldn’t I believe his future prophecies that have not yet happened?


Due-Ad1337

Go ahead and list them please, I'll refute them all.


A-dub7

Dudes not bothering anyone let him speak whatever he likes and if it hurts look the other way.


MaleficentGuard9696

I am pretty religious and I appreciate the scriptures. Thank you :)


Careless_Problem_865

You are most welcome! Better times on planet earth are ahead. Our creator realizes that man will destroy our civilization morally and literally if left unchecked. The promises in the scriptures I shared with you are spot on and I really hope you enjoy them!