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This is also the reason why Erwin didnt just send Levi to hunt the female titan in S1, and how levi just runs away from it, ppl assume this a plot hole since Levi should've been able to dispatch the Female titan just like what he did to the beast titan twice.
There were simply too many unknowns, the scouts didnt know all of her abilities, and this was the first time they fought an intelligent titan.
I wish people grasp that. Levi is a really really strong solider but end of the day he still isn't an all-knowing person and if you put him in an environment where ODM is useless, he wouldn't be able to do much either.
Also, they had a lot more information on Titans, both shifters and not.
They might not know everything they could've, but Erwin figured that if they were going to lose, they wouldn't just lay down and die. In the Female Titan's mission, they didn't need to fight her, simple as that.
And at that last minute he was bested by the cart Titan who scooped Zach up and ran. An unknown element that caught them off guard.
Edit: Zeke not Zach
Those were still unintelligent titans, they only chased after him due to Zekeās scream/signal to attack. But besides that, they had no fighting skills and had the same power and ability as a normal titan.
Does it even matter? Levi managed to kill moving titans trying to kill him without any trees or other structures around. You can see Levi killing the titans in the background when Floch wakes up wondering if anyone is still alive, after Zeke escapes with the cart titan.
They were known to be dumb titans, and also happened to be standing still and weāre ordered to not move to trap the scouts (as Erwin deduced). It wouldnāt be much different from a tree, honestly probably easier in some aspects.
Plus the biggest screaming offense of a distraction ever, and the overconfidence of the enemy assuming a desperate charge with no further plan was the best they could do
Totally right on that, Erwin was smart to do that.
Another thing as well is that it's especially proven almost immediately in those episodes when Levi gets his leg injured while engaging against the Female Titan.
(Albiet Mikasa indirectly caused that to happen, but still)
And only his leg probably because Annie was weakend after fighting Eren and now having to protect him. While also fighting both Mikasa and Levi. Full power Anni vs Levi also would be quite interesting to watch since Annie has by far the best combat skills of all the Titan shifters
>And only his leg probably because Annie was weakend after fighting Eren and now having to protect him.
True but she was only able to injure his leg because he had to protect Mikasa
I don't doubt Annie wasn't at 100% when the fight happened, but I feel if she was really that far below it such that it'd make a huge difference in the outcome, the narrative would have made it much clearer
As is, Mikasa's initial "distraction" was something Annie caught on quickly, and even then with the attempt to surprise the surprise, her reaction time in both body and mind couldn't keep up with a Levi who had no more room to *overestimate* her
The fight was a 2v1 on paper but the reality was that Mikasa's initial help didn't amount to much at all and her rash decision near the end actually hindered Levi when he *already had Annie incapacitated*
So yes a 1v1 between Annie and Levi would be interesting, but the burden of proof is extremely on Annie's side to convince anyone that she'd bridge the gap from "utterly destroyed in seconds" to "super competitive fight", let alone an actual Annie win
A 1v1 against a full powered Annie would be more difficult for Levi than their clash in S1, but Levi would win
Annie almost killed Mikasa in a 2v1 AFTER beating the levi squad, Titan form Eren, and countless scouts due to her abilities not being fully known and they KEPT underestimating her like youre doing right now. Yall really need to put some respect on Annie.
She almost killed Mikasa cause she acted dumb. Mikasa was in full Ereh mode and wasnāt using her brain. If Eren wasnāt in danger there fight would have gone down differently
Annie is strong no doubt but against Ackermans she would get packed up. Especially when the forest favours ODM gear so heavily
"She almost killed Mikasa cause she acted dumb." by disregarding what Levi said, which is that they do not know enough about this titan to go for the kill. He said they should focus on saving Eren and escape. Levi knew and said they couldn't kill her in that moment.
It is an issue of people bringing hindsight information
They think characters should have acted with information (or lack therof) they didn't know of until later in the story
But it's not even hindsight. Levi said that an episode or two before he fought the Female Titan. It was even reiterated for emphasis right before the Levi Squad got slaughtered.
The part that is hindsight is that, realistically, while they were having that conversation while running in the forest Eren could have probably just transformed and fought the female titan alongside Levi.
Eren was a real fight for her by himself. She could not hope to keep up with Levi's speed. Their squad was CAPABLE of taking her on as well and only lost due to the aforementioned lack of information. The better option, in hindsight, was to fight her right there because she actually was no match for all of them.
But again, absolutely no way whatsoever of them knowing that. The hindsight is there on purpose as a cruel irony. Levi's squad convince Eren to trust their plan with some shonen-style "believe in your comrades!" garbage.
It's a clear tonal message that "power of friendship" cliches are worthless here and nobody knows whats going to happen.
The AoT fanbase is pretty notoriously bad about understanding anything at all in the series, even when it's explicitly laid out multiple times over the course of the entire series.
Levi actually only fought when the condition met him, he wouldn't do anything reckless or put himself in disadvantageous situation, he'a not a crazy ass suicidal like Eren
i think its a perfect death. because its reminder that even if your the best of the best you can still get fucked over in this world. i mean i would of liked more stuff about miche because he seemed cool asf but i understand his death and its role in the story
His death is similar to Levi squad and Nanaba/Gelegar/Yenning in that all of them just died to great lack of information on how Titans work and were fucked despite how strong they were bc that lack of information killed them literally.
I also wish we got more of Miche bc he only gets to display his fighting twice and both of them were really short and (mostly) offscreen
Yea and for the very short encounter in No Regrets they seem to be relative to each other (tho Levi could be not going all out for all we know)
It is a really sad he seemed to have great potential we don't see tho he has a memorable death so that's good (for us, not him lol)
This scene has lived in my head rent free for years, I find the differences in the manga and the anime to be a little strange though. I'm honestly not drawing any conclusions, I just thought about this scene far too much in both the anime and manga.
- Bug eyed big head titan grabs Miche when he falls, chomps at him and beast titan tells him to stop
- In the manga, that left leg is now absolutely mangled, the foot is even facing the wrong way
- In the anime it shows no blood or injury but keep Miche on the floor with his leg behind him, presumably mangled
- In the anime, when Beast tells everyone to move, Miche can run?!!? He clearly takes two steps.
- In the manga he doesn't run and just gets grabbed from behind.
The scene is just so scary and the anime elevates to great horror I just can never forget it lol.
I think the first change is easily explained by it being anime censoring like the anime not fully showing Franz's missing bottom part while Hanna is doing CPR on him.
The second I remember being weirded out by but I like to imagine it is meant with him basically crawling with his two arms to give it more depressing not being able to go anywhere.
Like I said, I'm not drawing any conclusions or making judgments, just differences I noticed. Maybe I didn't phrase that well enough. I loved the scene too much in anime and manga to have that stance. If anything, I think the anime didn't show the broken/bent backwards leg on purpose so it could include the running scene which was added for a much more dramatic effect, Like you said the anime truly elevates the horror of this moment.
The anime shows Miche screaming and crying, goes to beast titan, then goes back to Miche screaming and crying to wrap up the episode.
The manga is just a few short terrifying panels.
>Maybe I didn't phrase that well enough. I loved the scene too much in anime and manga to have that stance.
No worries I get what you were going for and I don't think someone would even care to notice these changes if they didn't like that much
>I think the anime didn't show the broken/bent backwards leg on purpose so it could include the running scene which was added for a much more dramatic effect,
I think that's a good point and is much better than being for censorship as I said
I think the run was sheer desperation and adrenaline. He knew it was hopeless but he had resolved to try. The steps were the dying ember of that fight in him
I don't know, I like what you're saying but I've seen a fair few videos and fights where a person breaks their tibia and fibula, and no amount of adrenaline could keep your leg together once it's snapped like that, it'll fold underneath you. I replied to OP explaining why I really think the differences are there.
It is easy assume it is just an abnormal titan since it doesn't give attention to Miche tho him having fur does catch his attention. The moment it catches the horse he figures out it is a shifter but it throwing the horse at him is so unpredictable and he still even manages to dodge it but sadly one of the titans catch him and chomp his legs immediately.
The lack of information and how fast everything happened in an already stressed situation was a recipe for disaster for anyone including the second strongest soldier and I think even Levi in exact same circumstances would die.
It would be like if you were on a hike, then a bear approached you and started taunting you in English.
Most people freeze up at the sight of a bear, a talking bear thatās expressing malicious intent would give most a heart attack.
Like most rules of lie down, fight back, or retreat likely wonāt apply to this cognizant bear. But also, you canāt really remember the rules, BECAUSE THERES A TALKING FUCKING BEAR.
I disagree. I feel like, given his skill set and speed, Levi would be able to dodge the horse entirely and escape alive. (Although that might be me overestimating him) from there, he'd just need a way of alerting or returning to the others. And, I don't think he'd engage since he'd know the titan has other capabilities it hasn't shown off yet. From what we've been shown, I think Levi is perfectly capable of surviving.
Escape alive where and how?
He wouldn't have a horse anymore and would be in a very open area with no trees, that's literally a death sentence.
That's the same in RTS and it's only for the titans beside Zeke that Levi uses as tall objects and obv Erwin's gamble with the horses and smoke was to divert Zeke's attention from Levi long enough
The problem is that Levi has "plot" level skill. In that he is never actually "bested" throughout the entire story. Let alone that he never even needs to struggle.
He essentially just outright demolishes (or embarrasses in the case of his first encounter with Kenny) every single opponent throughout the story unless he is already injured (as is the case in the final fight, he is so injured that his presence in the fight itself is ridiculous). He is only injured due to the mistakes of others, or his own mistakes that have no relation to combat.
The takeaway is that you can't ever really say that Levi wouldn't just dodge the horse, kill all the small titans, then kill the beast titan. At least if put in a situation where that was the only option.
It is just impossible to say "Levi couldn't do that" because we never once see a plot limit to what Levi can manage.
Depends how low weāre talking. I feel Levi wouldnāt let it get that bad in the first place when thereās an active threat. Weāve already seen how much he can do with just 1 full load of gas and blades in Shiganshina. That was like 30+ titans AND the Beast in 1 go.
I feel like without knowing anything about the Beast Titan, he wouldn't do as well as in Shinganshina. He wouldn't know that it is a titan shifter. And low gas wouldn't give him much time to think this through, since he can't retreat nor dodge for a long time
Zeke wouldnāt know about ODM gear or Ackermanns either, and it wouldāve probably ended with Levi blitzing his nape before he had a chance to think "Oh fuck, this guy is fas-" *dead*
He isn't dumb though? If Levi dodged the horse, he would most likely have to use ODM gear anyway before confronting Zeke. And he was a bit far from Mike. The could just throw shit at Levi, like trees or random rocks
Okay, so let's say Levi dodges the horse. He probably has to use ODM gear to not fall off a roof and break his legs. Zeke now knows about ODM gear. The terrain is mostly flat- short trees, not much for Levi to use ODM gear efficiently without using up gas, since he can't swing around fully like with those tall trees. Why would Zeke get close if he doesn't know how long Levi can use the gear for? He can just grab a tree and throw it at Levi, there was no reason to not do that
My bad I assumed you meant the forest fight in S4
The Shiganshina fight there's a reason Levi even questions Erwin on the same thing about open field but Erwin points out the tall titans all beside Zeke and the reason Erwin and everyone died was to get Zeke's attention away from Levi as long as possible.
If Levi were to storm to Zeke all by himself, he wouldn't be able to get even that close and it's only for the long titans and Erwin's (and scouts) sacrifices that he manages to get close to Zeke, all of these factors aren't available in Miche's position
He wouldnāt need to get close. Miche also dodged the horse, albeit more clumsily than Levi probably would, and Zeke was right up close a moment after. I donāt think Zeke with no knowledge of Levi would bother being cautious based on a single dodge. He seemed to have the same attitude as Porco in that he assumed he would be untouchable as a titan shifter. Thatās why even at Shiganshina he didnāt immediately harden his nape, but tries to fight instead.
Levi has a 100% winrate in the entire series, so I doubt he would lose to an overly cocky Zeke.
Zeke only got close to speak to Miche after the bug titan caught so there's no reason for him to go close otherwise even if he underestimates him.
He clearly say Miche killing the other titans so he waited for the right time and Levi got a 100% winrate tho neve got put in similar circumstances.
lack of knowledge, lack of resources and being caught by surprise. this is probably the worst scenario that can happen to someone in the AOT, even if you are the second strongest soldier in the survey corps. that's why i love this scene so much, even though it's extremely brutal
>lack of knowledge, lack of resources and being caught by surprise. this is probably the worst scenario that can happen to someone in the AOT
You can even apply this 2 episodes later in Utagard castle and all of Nanaba/Gelgar/Henning/Lynne die to similar reasons and they are as depressing
And also, the people on the island have never seen monkeys before. So basically from Mike's perspective he was attacked by some Hairy beast that could be a titan or not that can speak human tongue and can control other Titans. Who wouldn't be afraid.
This is more accurately displayed in the manga, but there is a significant difference in reflexes/speed/and combat abilities between Levi and Miche.
Levi *could* still die, but he would be able to dodge the horse and he would not allow his shock to arrest him the way it did for Miche. The most shocked we see Levi is during the confrontation with Kenny, another Ackerman with superhuman abilities and Levi is able to recover and go on the offensive immediately.
He is nearly out of gas and blades when he first takes down Zeke and the Cart rescues him. He is standing in the middle of a field with abnormals barreling towards him and he manages to kill every single one of them, in addition to making it up the wall before he essentially has to slide down because of exhaustion and lack of fuel.
Levi manages to kill 30 pure titans that were his own comrades and catch up with Zeke without the use of a distraction/suicide charge. He was shocked in that situation and at a clear disadvantage, but still won without question.
Obviously, there is a chance that Levi could die in the situation, but that's implying that Levi would ever allow himself to be put in that situation, and there is nothing about his character that suggests he would. He wouldn't jump off the building into a titan's mouth for one thing. That is a key difference and ultimately, it spells the end for Miche. Levi is far quicker at reacting.
Zeke could win if he used the environment to his advantage, but he has no idea who Levi is at this point. And we know Zeke is cocky and underestimates his opponents, even after being warned about Levi. That worked with Miche because he was able to scare Miche and render him hopeless. But Levi is on an entirely different level. He soloed Annie and was able to bring her down before she could even harden. When he and Miche tried to strike her nape before, their blades were broken. So Levi uses a different approach the next time with Annie -- overwhelming her defenses and not giving her an opportunity to react, until Mikasa got stupid and he had to save her. Notice when Levi goes after Zeke the first time, he does not strike the nape. He cuts his hands, arms, eyes, legs, etc. He has extra knowledge about the 9 that Miche did not have in this scene and even if he didn't initially know that Zeke was a shifter, he still would have reacted differently.
There are many factors to consider, but two big ones are that Levi would not have been surprised by the horse and would not have jumped to the ground to avoid it. He still could have died in the scenario, but I believe Zeke would have had to kill him directly, rather than the pure titans doing so. Or Zeke would need to call more pure titans to overwhelm Levi because there is no chance Levi would have let those still remaining live. Zeke had to detonate his own suicide vest in order to place Levi on the sidelines long enough for the Yaegerists to take over, so I do not see a scenario where Levi is taken out by a few pure titans and a horse in the same way that Miche was.
It could be more interesting than the fights we saw, but I'm still putting money on Levi.
ETA: It's also worth noting that Levi wouldn't, under any circumstances, be shuffled off on a side quest to find a hole in the wall. I'm not saying that Levi is more important and less expendable than Miche, but Levi is more important and less expendable.
This is the answer right here. The gap between humanity's strongest and second-strongest would've been the difference maker.
Speaking at a meta-level, I also think that Miche got the bad end of poor writing. Even SC soldiers like Nanaba and Gelgar didn't freeze up when confronted by a surprising situation, and I never thought Miche should have. It seemed out of character for him.
But, going back to in-universe: Yes, Levi would've reacted much faster and not let himself be frozen by shock and fear. Sure, he might have still died, but the situation would've played out far differently.
I agree with Miche's death being poorly written and a weaker point in Isayama's otherwise, near-flawless, storyline. He could have died in the same scene, but he should've died fighting, rather than screaming. He has very little onscreen time as is and we really don't see much of his fighting prowess. We're just told he's the second strongest after he kills a few titans, but the only thing remembered about him is his death. I feel like his character should have had more impact.
He and Moblit (from what I recall) are not mentioned again after their deaths. They are seen everytime Erwin or someone else discusses the fallen comrades, but not even mentioned by name and it's odd. Miche's death isn't even acknowledged. Moblit's death is a featured in a flashback in Hange's memory, and his role in the story is even more significant.
That said, from a writer's perspective, he has too many characters to give each of them a well-written send off or significant time in the story to develop, so I can sort of understand it. I still think this scene could have been improved. The Scouts don't quit or run. Remove Miche looking fearful and let him die like a badass. Nothing changes, except the fact that Miche is able to die like the hero he deserves. Floch's death was given more reverence for crying out loud.
Spot on about everything. Yeah, Miche wasn't given enough screentime (but yeah, beyond the main Survey Corp, who could be?), wasn't written as the sort we were told about, and was only remembered afterwards in small, very passing moments.
As if he was "Humanity's 2nd strongest" blah blah blah, but had no friends in the SC.
Maybe Levi remembers Miche grinding his face into the ground (from that OVA)? I don't know...
Anyway, I can go on about Miche totally locking up - no fight, hide, flee compulsion that you'd completely expect a veteran soldier to have, no composure, just "OMG, talking monke". Yes, sure, even veteran soldiers can freeze up, and suffer from cognitive or emotional overload. But there was no indication Miche was at that point, so it didn't feel real that he suddenly dumped into it just because Zeke's Beast titan talked to him.
Eh... I can ramble on, but really, all I'm saying is that I agree with you. On everything, from Moblit to Miche's role not being fulfilled well, Floch getting a better ending scene... yeah, all of it.
You need to rewatch the scene because his fear only happens after he is already got his legs chomped which is a death-loss scenario for even Levi so idk why you keep bringing his shock/fear up multiple times.
Miche doesn't jump into the titan's mouth, he dodges a fast horse throw, but he just happens to fall into a titan's hands which chomps his legs immediately.
In both cases in fight of Shiganshina and forest there are a lot of different factors that are in advantage to Levi compared to Miche's position, so it isn't fair to compare them.
Zeke is cocky and would underestimate Levi in that position but Levi still can do nothing if he has no horse, is in an open field area, and no way to get to Zeke since he is in his line of sight.
I'm not saying Levi wouldn't fare better than Miche but there's literally not one factor going for him and again with lack of information, he will eventually get killed by a Zeke throw if not by one of the titans.
Putting Levi into the same situation is kinda pointless. Him just being there from the start changes things. He probably would've killed the titans much faster and he would've reacted better to Zeke throwing his horse. And unless Zeke just stood back and bombarded him (which Zeke probably wouldn't do since he doesn't know about Levi yet), Levi has a chance to kill him.
I'm currently on a rewatch of the show in its entirety since it's over, and I just finished Season 2. Miche is initially shocked by the fact that Zeke picks up the horse and throws it. He reacts too late to the horse being thrown and falls off the building. There isn't a scene-by-scene equivalent for Levi to compare them but we do see him get shocked and he's still able to dodge literal bullets with Kenny without putting himself into harm's way. The point of contention is that I don't see a world where Levi is falling off the house and getting chomped. He is jumping away.
In the Shinganshina fight, I'm referring to Levi being on the ground. After Erwin and everyone else are dead/dying and Pieck grabs Zeke forcing Levi to move away. Levi is on the ground, exhausted after striking down an entire row of titans plus Zeke by himself, has no horse, no backup, and only one blade each left (same as Miche). He is also low on fuel and is completely out by the time he gets back to the wall. Zeke yells at the pure titans to run and kill Levi. There are five of them in the shot. To suggest that Levi is at a greater advantage in that particular scene than Miche was on the building is not accurate. He's not. And he still wins and still pursues Zeke over the wall.
I bring up Levi's shock because we see how Levi reacts to surprising situations and information that shakes him to the core. Miche's shock and inability to react is ultimately what puts him in a compromising position. Levi would see the horse being thrown and jump away onto the building putting Levi in a better position than he was in at the end of the Shiganshina battle.
We don't know how much fuel Miche has left because he doesn't use his gear in that scene. But we do know that Levi is out of fuel after he soloed a whole row of titans and Zeke, so for the sake of argument, let's assume, Miche had a little bit a fuel left because he has fewer titans to take out and doesn't kill them all before taking refuge on the building. Meaning that Levi also has a little bit of a fuel if he's being placed in the same scenario.
I don't see Levi leaving the 3 pure titans alive in the, but we'll keep them there too just for fun. Levi jumps out of the way of the horse, but wouldn't fall off the building and wouldn't be injured. Maybe Zeke approaches, but Levi would immediately go on the offensive. Again, there are a few ways that Zeke could potentially win by surprising Levi to the point where he gets injured like Miche did, grabs Levi and squeezes him to death (assuming Levi would stand still long enough for that to happen.) Or Zeke destroys the building, surrounding trees, and calls extra pure titans to take Levi out.
Levi *could* die, yes, but you'd have to bend over backwards and rob Levi of every special ability he canonically has in order to say that he'd end up in the same position. Zeke would have to throw everything he had at an enemy he didn't know about in order for him to get the best of Levi and he wouldn't be prepared for that. None of the Marleyan warriors are prepared when they face the Eldians for the first time. They would both be at a disadvantage and it's just a matter of who outlasts who.
God, poor Mike. When you think about how strong, cool and calm he always was before this scene, it almost feels as if he's not only being killed, but *humiliated*, here. Such a sad and uncomfortable moment :(
(Still can't get over how he was never actually mentioned again after this either, wtf?)
It probably would've ended differently. Levi's superhuman reflexes might've allowed him to dodge the horse on the roof. As to what would happen after that, we'll never know.
Even Miche dodges the horse so that isn't the point of contention. Even he doesn't fall and a titan chomps his leg immediately, he still is stranded in an open field area and no horse so no way for him to get close the Beast
There were multiple houses there he could've used to stay away from the pures and no other horses so the beast would have had to approach him or start uprooting and chucking trees.
It's levi. If worst comes to worst, he'd use the titans as anchors.
Where are the other houses lol? It is just the one building he was fighting on with nothing around.
The beast would just break trees and throw which isn't too outlandish. He can try using the titans as anchors but unlike Shiganshina there's nothing to divert Zeke's attention so he would never be able to get close enough
Thereās no āmightā about it. Remember in the final battle Levi and Mikasa realized that the plane needed to dodge the thrown rocks before the pilot did. They basically have spider senses. He would definitely dodge the horse. Whether he survives the whole encounter alone and low on gas is another story.
Levi being an awakened Ackerman gives him plenty of advantage over Miche here.
Miche was not only done in by a lack of information, he didn't react fast enough to prevent falling into the clutches of a titan even though he saw Zeke getting ready to throw a horse at him and he also got shell shocked so that he wasn't able to attempt to move after he was dropped from the grip of the titan and let Zeke remove his ODM.
Awakened Ackerman are described to have a heightened sense of awareness and judgement so they instantly react in the most optimal way. This means Levi would not have been lagged by a sense of fear and would be able to get away at least enough to assess his next moves. He probably could have won since he later demonstrated he could take down the Beast even on flat ground and he would realize right away this hairy monkey is just another guy in a titan suit. Or at the least he would have put up a fight.
Miche should have also known that this Beast titan was just another shifter since he had dealt with the Female titan, but he let his natural fear reaction hinder him.
The people of the island have never seen monkeys before, or heard the mention of a beast titan (I think). So from Miche's perspective he was suddenly attacked by a giant hairy thing that could be a titan or not that can speak human tongue and control other Titans.
Yeah. Miche's reaction is reasonable and natural for most humans, so it's not accurate to compare Levi to him. Hell, even I thought that there must be more to the Beast titan and that he was some kind of alien overlord despite already knowing that there are people that can turn into titans in their world. The sheer number of unknowns the Beast titan suddenly presented would naturally be scary.
Iāve always said that Miche had one of the most unfortunate deaths and circumstances. Itās one thing to be completely wiped from encountering the BT with no info about him, but to watch your horse fly into you, break your legs, AND get eaten by MULTIPLE titans was brutal.
Levi wouldāve dodged the horse and would have managed to not get grabbed by a Titan. Ackermanās somehow sense danger and react quicker than normal folk.
Think of the gunfire at liberio, Levi sensed it before it came, and he sensed the Titan behind him in the forest and reacted. Mikasa dodges gunfire at the port vs the jaegerists as well. I know there are more examples but I canāt think of them
Nah, Levi would have massacred them.
We saw exactly what happened when Levi was jumped by his former comrades turned titans.
He massacred them.
People keep forgetting that Levi is not normal with regards to fighting abilities.
Mike sadly was only human and as such met a grim fate.
Levi would have won, he's way more skilled and efficient in ODM use, meaning he'd have more gas than Mike did in this situation. Zeke has no idea what Levi is capable of, so if Levi went into the forest, Zeke would more than likely give chase and get mopped (tall tress or normal, he got wrecked in an open field so it doesn't matter).
How would Levi escape? Levi in Mikeās position wouldnāt be able to do anything really other than prolong his death. Heās in an open area surrounded by pure titans with no horse. He canāt get to the forest unless he runs for it which is a death sentence. He canāt hide in the house either because thatās also a death sentence.
And from all the fight scenes we see with the beast, Zeke never really engages in combat himself, he just sits back no matter what so I doubt Zeke would chase after. He just wouldāve sent his pure titans or thrown shit at a tired and weakened Levi.
Levi only defeated Zeke in s3 because he got the jump on him using the tall 15m titans around a distracted Zeke.
>Heās in an open area surrounded by pure titans with no horse. He canāt get to the forest unless he runs for it which is a death sentence.
Maybe you didn't notice that he's at the edge of a forest in this scene, he can easily flee using odm gear. Zeke didn't have a pile of rocks at the ready to prevent this, the cart was bringing his ammo at shiganshina.
Levi would definitely die, but I wonder if Mike would have been able to live up to the legacy Levi has left behind. For example, assuming Mike lives until season 4, he likely wouldnāt have survived the Thunder spear explosion; thatās if he even survives the beast titan fight in shiganshina
It's really hard to say bc sadly we barely get to see him in actual action so it's hard to even scale how fast/powerful he would be in these situations.
Tho I think one advantage is that Miche could smell there's smth wrong with the wine from the start and no one was gonna drink it
Honestly, I very much doubt Levi would die. In every situation where Levi has faced the Beast Titan, it's been a fairly one-sided stomp. I don't see how he couldn't just close the distance and slice at its nape, especially considering how cocky and overconfident Zeke can be.
i think yama at first want to make miches as sidekick of levi, but as progress of story it becomes burden and difficult to retain this concept, so he made quick shameless forced plot to kill this 2nd strongest soldier resulting this character feels just like another patriotic but having bad omen as survey corps member
Yep. It could have been anybody.
That's how you raise the stakes for the other characters. Show one of the strongest characters getting completely humiliated and torn apart.
It could have been Levi or Mikasa.
Here is what I think:
When Miche fought Zeke's titans he had fresh ODM with all his blades and gas. He took out five of the nine titans and had only one pair of blades left after he was done. He had to leave because it would be really risky to engage with only two blades and he thought he bought enough time with what he did accomplish.
Levi killed a much greater number of titans at Shiganshina, and then sliced up Zeke's titan. Only then did he go to his last pair of blades, so he's much more efficient with his weapons. So Levi in this situation would have all the pure titans dead before facing Zeke, and he'd have more supplies.
So if he does mess up by calling his horse, Levi still has a really good chance because he can use the trees and buildings to make his way to Zeke. Hell, Levi might just zip over to him as soon as he's killed the last pure titan, not even giving him a chance to throw the horse.
Take me through how more skills/caution would help in being stranded in an open field area without a horse and against the Beast who is far from him.
This is also assuming a best-case scenario where Levi doesn't fall and gets his legs chomped
>Open field
lmao open? the place was COVERED in trees dude. When Miche got hit/ didnt get hit with the horse and fell behind the building he was on, there was even multiple trees to each side of him - no more than a couple of feet. When Zeke crouches down he's also SURROUNDED by trees. and by this stage the beast is already directly infront of him - not far like you say. You keep just making up things about the scene to fit your point lol.
And yeah more skills would of led to him not getting possibly hit by a flying horse, then falling and having his leg bit off. ***Like you really picture Levi getting hit with a horse from miles away and then directly falling into a random titans hands/mouth after? nothing we've ever seen from him would indicate this could happen.***
For example Levi & Mikasa in the final ep where even able to sense Zeke throwing rocks at them at ridiculous speeds, without even looking at him ( when theyre in the plane) but you're telling me Levi is gona get hit by a horse he's directly looking at? lol no way.
I think people really put too much into this scene, i think him being " humanitys second strongest soldier " is just a throwaway line to show how powerful/threatening Zeke is. but thats just how I see it.
I dont think levi would have died in that situation the beast looks extremly different than another other titan and levi already knows about the shifters so its pretty easy to assume he is a shifter. i think the beast would have lack of information he knows little about odm gear and even in the first fight between levi and the beast the beast was warnned about levi by reiner that he is dangerous but still lost
There's no reason to assume a titan is a shifter cuz he looks different, titans come in a lot of shapes and looks. Until he grabs a horse, there's nothing too extraordinary about how Zeke acts from abnormals and he sees odm in action already when Miche kills the other titans so he isn't gonna get close unless he sees that person is caught and unable to move
I disagree, I don't think Levi would have been so shell shocked by hearing a Titan speak. It would have caught him off guard yes, but he wouldn't have froze, he would have still been prepared for whatever this new threat threw at him, no pun intended
Still hate this scene, but it's also one of my favorites. They'd come far in such a short amount of time by learning about titan shifters, plus acquiring one through Eren and using him to fill the hole in Trost. Then capturing Annie with the hopes of learning more. From where they were just days prior, it was a massive leap of knowledge, but it was still not enough. There's so much they still did not know. Power and knowledge and heart, no matter how strong, can only get you so far. Everything has it's limits.
Also, he fared far better than I ever would've bothered. If I saw a giant ass monkey walking around, I would be out before it even started throwing shit. Do not have the time nor the patience nor the resolve to deal with that.
>There's so much they still did not know. Power and knowledge and heart, no matter how strong, can only get you so far. Everything has it's limits.
This was their biggest issue and that's why they lost in Annie capture in forest, Miche/Nanaba/Gelgar/Henning/Lynne die, Reiner/Burrito failed capture on the wall, and and almost all of them were eradicated in RTS
It's not even just that titan shifters or an outside world exists, but that entire world - at least that group - despises them and was set on destroying them no matter the cost. Titans are mindless and just kill because that's what they do, so shifting to an enemy that is trained to kill and has plans is a whole other battle field. How the hell do you plan for that kind of hatred and resolve when you believed that what's left of humanity was behind the walls?
Itās like how Caesar speaks in Rise of the planet of apes.
It was such a powerful scene and the āNOā just shocks you.
Similarly they just found out that titans can be somewhat have sense but to have one speak and command others would make you stop in your track no matter who you are
People forget how difficult odm gear have it in open spaces. In cities and the tall af forest you can grapple and keep using momentum to swing but in open space you have to use a lot more gas so that you can get to your next grapple spot. Keeping all this in mind and fighting titans is exhausting both physically and mentally. All this he was doing alone with no hope of backup and no information.
I disagree. Levi would definitely dodge the horse. And he'd keep his cool, while Miche freaked out. Levi would dispatch the small ones pretty easily, leaving it as him vs the Beast Titan, which he wouldn't lose. I don't think he'd beat Zeke without getting the jump on him (or without thunder spears), but Zeke wouldn't be able to beat him either. Levi would be able to disable Zeke for long enough to get away without a horse.
There's no way for Levi to get a jump on him or get close enough while Zeke is able to throw anything at him so I don't see why you think Levi wouldn't lose when he has no way to even get close with no help
I know Levi's not getting the jump on him. I'm saying that because he can't he wouldn't be able to kill Zeke.
I'm saying that he could disable Zeke, such as by slicing the tendons in his ankles, then escaping. He wouldn't win, but he wouldn't lose.
>if you put Levi in his position, it wouldn't end much better.
Considering Levi is a superhuman, I think it ends much better for him personally, he could easily dodge the horse that was thrown at him (considering he can dodge bullets) and I doubt he'd be shaken up by the beast titans ability to speak, considering he wasn't scared to fight against Eren despite being a cripple.
Bro, I can still hear Mike's screams from just looking at the picture. The scene is so well done that while watching everything that's going on I simply feel panic knowing what's about to go down
I feel bad whenever I see this trope. The first kill in a supernatural event is always unfair, the character is not expecting a taking, smart, monke to just send the other titans after them!
Miche's death was probably the most disturbing one for me. I watched it one time and couldn't bring myself to watch it again. It was brutal, and listening to him screaming really got me. :'|
Nah this was just lazy writing or unnecessary hype for beast titan. We are supposed to believe that someone who is 2nd only to Levi does not have any mental resilience to act against that situation especially considering the level of mental fortitude that Levi has and so its hard to believe that a close 2nd like Miche just froze like that.
Micheās death was the most horrific for me, whenever the conversation about how brutal the show is I look his death up on YT. That shit is insane. The visceral brutality really dies down towards the end.
I remember I used this argument to state why Levi had a crazy plot armor, and I got down voted so crazily, with most of them basically getting angry as to how dare I put Levi on Miche's level.
the one thing mike did wrong was he didn't react fast enough to the horse zeke threw, levi's ackerman genes likely would have enhanced his reflexes, although mike was incredibly stunned by zeke throwing said horse as titans usually pay no attention to other animals, if zeke hadn't fallen off the roof he may have stood a chance
Miche was called the strongest aside from Levi. Maybe they weren't considering Mikasa, but still. Levi would definitely have been taken out. Hell, even when he fought the beast Titan he was well informed, well prepped, and given good opportunities to strike.
The way Miche died is exactly why I'll always hate Zeke bruh, the guy was gettin grabbed from every spot and gettin chewed on literally everywhere, horrifying that he was still alive to feel all that
Bro what are you talking about , levi would never end up in that position in the first place , never. Miche fell like an idiot and let zeke take his shit , even eren would react better, both levi and eren have very strong survival instincts , so even if they are shocked , they will just react instinctively.
Nah I disagree Leviās abilities arenāt just a āskillā the ackermans actually have titan abilities akin to being almost able to see a few seconds into the future during combat I canāt remember what panel itās on but Levi describes it as ājust knowing what to doā in this situation Levi probably wouldnāt have been stunned into a catatonic state heād have reacted and gotten out of there
I tell you one thing that was freaky. The bottom right corner when I first saw it blurred, I thought it was his head. Until the Blu-ray showed it was him getting torn in half. Now that's really brutal.
Well he also didn't keep his nerve, and got dramatic at the end reminding Zeke to kill him with his last battle cry. Levi wouldn't stand a chance without ODM gear either, but he probably wouldn't have left his nerve or his gear in the first place, by being twice as suspicious and observant of the best titan.
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This is also the reason why Erwin didnt just send Levi to hunt the female titan in S1, and how levi just runs away from it, ppl assume this a plot hole since Levi should've been able to dispatch the Female titan just like what he did to the beast titan twice. There were simply too many unknowns, the scouts didnt know all of her abilities, and this was the first time they fought an intelligent titan.
I wish people grasp that. Levi is a really really strong solider but end of the day he still isn't an all-knowing person and if you put him in an environment where ODM is useless, he wouldn't be able to do much either.
Do you remember when he used titans as trees, outside of Shiganshina
But those titans are also standing still and not trying to eat him
Also not intelligent.
Also, they had a lot more information on Titans, both shifters and not. They might not know everything they could've, but Erwin figured that if they were going to lose, they wouldn't just lay down and die. In the Female Titan's mission, they didn't need to fight her, simple as that.
Also that call was objectively a massive gamble
And at that last minute he was bested by the cart Titan who scooped Zach up and ran. An unknown element that caught them off guard. Edit: Zeke not Zach
I've been trying to figure out who "Zach" is the for longest time. š©
Oops freakin autocorrect lmao
What about the ones that he killed after the cart titan rescued Zeke?
Those were still unintelligent titans, they only chased after him due to Zekeās scream/signal to attack. But besides that, they had no fighting skills and had the same power and ability as a normal titan.
Does it even matter? Levi managed to kill moving titans trying to kill him without any trees or other structures around. You can see Levi killing the titans in the background when Floch wakes up wondering if anyone is still alive, after Zeke escapes with the cart titan.
Yeah, in a perfectly alligned row and standing around like... literal trees
They were known to be dumb titans, and also happened to be standing still and weāre ordered to not move to trap the scouts (as Erwin deduced). It wouldnāt be much different from a tree, honestly probably easier in some aspects.
Never realized people never thought of that there were so many factors like the distance they had traveled the terrain?
Exactly and when he fought the beast he didnt have a choice.
Plus the biggest screaming offense of a distraction ever, and the overconfidence of the enemy assuming a desperate charge with no further plan was the best they could do
Totally right on that, Erwin was smart to do that. Another thing as well is that it's especially proven almost immediately in those episodes when Levi gets his leg injured while engaging against the Female Titan. (Albiet Mikasa indirectly caused that to happen, but still)
And only his leg probably because Annie was weakend after fighting Eren and now having to protect him. While also fighting both Mikasa and Levi. Full power Anni vs Levi also would be quite interesting to watch since Annie has by far the best combat skills of all the Titan shifters
>And only his leg probably because Annie was weakend after fighting Eren and now having to protect him. True but she was only able to injure his leg because he had to protect Mikasa I don't doubt Annie wasn't at 100% when the fight happened, but I feel if she was really that far below it such that it'd make a huge difference in the outcome, the narrative would have made it much clearer As is, Mikasa's initial "distraction" was something Annie caught on quickly, and even then with the attempt to surprise the surprise, her reaction time in both body and mind couldn't keep up with a Levi who had no more room to *overestimate* her The fight was a 2v1 on paper but the reality was that Mikasa's initial help didn't amount to much at all and her rash decision near the end actually hindered Levi when he *already had Annie incapacitated* So yes a 1v1 between Annie and Levi would be interesting, but the burden of proof is extremely on Annie's side to convince anyone that she'd bridge the gap from "utterly destroyed in seconds" to "super competitive fight", let alone an actual Annie win A 1v1 against a full powered Annie would be more difficult for Levi than their clash in S1, but Levi would win
I mean she would still lose She canāt harden her whole body and Levi is much to agile for her to actually hit him
Annie almost killed Mikasa in a 2v1 AFTER beating the levi squad, Titan form Eren, and countless scouts due to her abilities not being fully known and they KEPT underestimating her like youre doing right now. Yall really need to put some respect on Annie.
She almost killed Mikasa cause she acted dumb. Mikasa was in full Ereh mode and wasnāt using her brain. If Eren wasnāt in danger there fight would have gone down differently Annie is strong no doubt but against Ackermans she would get packed up. Especially when the forest favours ODM gear so heavily
Ereh* mode
"She almost killed Mikasa cause she acted dumb." by disregarding what Levi said, which is that they do not know enough about this titan to go for the kill. He said they should focus on saving Eren and escape. Levi knew and said they couldn't kill her in that moment.
Annie gets mopped 1v1. I don't think it's close
Levi disagreed so I guess that's all we'll ever know
>ppl assume this a plot hole People really do this? Even after Levi himself explained he doesn't know what might happen?
It is an issue of people bringing hindsight information They think characters should have acted with information (or lack therof) they didn't know of until later in the story
But it's not even hindsight. Levi said that an episode or two before he fought the Female Titan. It was even reiterated for emphasis right before the Levi Squad got slaughtered.
The part that is hindsight is that, realistically, while they were having that conversation while running in the forest Eren could have probably just transformed and fought the female titan alongside Levi. Eren was a real fight for her by himself. She could not hope to keep up with Levi's speed. Their squad was CAPABLE of taking her on as well and only lost due to the aforementioned lack of information. The better option, in hindsight, was to fight her right there because she actually was no match for all of them. But again, absolutely no way whatsoever of them knowing that. The hindsight is there on purpose as a cruel irony. Levi's squad convince Eren to trust their plan with some shonen-style "believe in your comrades!" garbage. It's a clear tonal message that "power of friendship" cliches are worthless here and nobody knows whats going to happen.
My dude, people still worship Eren even after he himself admits he's an idiot...
The AoT fanbase is pretty notoriously bad about understanding anything at all in the series, even when it's explicitly laid out multiple times over the course of the entire series.
In hindsight we do know that Levi would have easily taken down female titan but yeah at the time of making that choice there simply too many unknowns.
Levi actually only fought when the condition met him, he wouldn't do anything reckless or put himself in disadvantageous situation, he'a not a crazy ass suicidal like Eren
Doesn't surprise me that the first guy to hear the beast titan talk and display such intelligence was wiped out. Poor dude š
A titan talking is so out of field and with everything happening I don't blame him for being too terrified to speak
Agreed, I probably would be too šØ Basically it's the "the woman was too stunned to speak" meme but with Miche šš
Lmao it is
āOut of left fieldā
This death is one of the reasons I can never like Zeke. Fuck Zeke. Rest in piss.
i think its a perfect death. because its reminder that even if your the best of the best you can still get fucked over in this world. i mean i would of liked more stuff about miche because he seemed cool asf but i understand his death and its role in the story
His death is similar to Levi squad and Nanaba/Gelegar/Yenning in that all of them just died to great lack of information on how Titans work and were fucked despite how strong they were bc that lack of information killed them literally. I also wish we got more of Miche bc he only gets to display his fighting twice and both of them were really short and (mostly) offscreen
I would love to see him with more ODM work, he's a massive dude and he was able to spin like Levi when going against the female
Yea and for the very short encounter in No Regrets they seem to be relative to each other (tho Levi could be not going all out for all we know) It is a really sad he seemed to have great potential we don't see tho he has a memorable death so that's good (for us, not him lol)
Levi wasn't going all out. His goal was to get captured, but put up enough fight to repel suspicion.
That's what I meant that he isn't going all out Just bringing examples of Miche fighting bc they are so scarce so even this is worth noting
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This scene has lived in my head rent free for years, I find the differences in the manga and the anime to be a little strange though. I'm honestly not drawing any conclusions, I just thought about this scene far too much in both the anime and manga. - Bug eyed big head titan grabs Miche when he falls, chomps at him and beast titan tells him to stop - In the manga, that left leg is now absolutely mangled, the foot is even facing the wrong way - In the anime it shows no blood or injury but keep Miche on the floor with his leg behind him, presumably mangled - In the anime, when Beast tells everyone to move, Miche can run?!!? He clearly takes two steps. - In the manga he doesn't run and just gets grabbed from behind.
The scene is just so scary and the anime elevates to great horror I just can never forget it lol. I think the first change is easily explained by it being anime censoring like the anime not fully showing Franz's missing bottom part while Hanna is doing CPR on him. The second I remember being weirded out by but I like to imagine it is meant with him basically crawling with his two arms to give it more depressing not being able to go anywhere.
Like I said, I'm not drawing any conclusions or making judgments, just differences I noticed. Maybe I didn't phrase that well enough. I loved the scene too much in anime and manga to have that stance. If anything, I think the anime didn't show the broken/bent backwards leg on purpose so it could include the running scene which was added for a much more dramatic effect, Like you said the anime truly elevates the horror of this moment. The anime shows Miche screaming and crying, goes to beast titan, then goes back to Miche screaming and crying to wrap up the episode. The manga is just a few short terrifying panels.
>Maybe I didn't phrase that well enough. I loved the scene too much in anime and manga to have that stance. No worries I get what you were going for and I don't think someone would even care to notice these changes if they didn't like that much >I think the anime didn't show the broken/bent backwards leg on purpose so it could include the running scene which was added for a much more dramatic effect, I think that's a good point and is much better than being for censorship as I said
I think the run was sheer desperation and adrenaline. He knew it was hopeless but he had resolved to try. The steps were the dying ember of that fight in him
I don't know, I like what you're saying but I've seen a fair few videos and fights where a person breaks their tibia and fibula, and no amount of adrenaline could keep your leg together once it's snapped like that, it'll fold underneath you. I replied to OP explaining why I really think the differences are there.
True
Do we know he was running on his feet? He might have been waddling on his knees?
Haha, you may have a point, how could I even begin to comprehend how large humanity's second strongest waddle strides would be?
It is easy assume it is just an abnormal titan since it doesn't give attention to Miche tho him having fur does catch his attention. The moment it catches the horse he figures out it is a shifter but it throwing the horse at him is so unpredictable and he still even manages to dodge it but sadly one of the titans catch him and chomp his legs immediately. The lack of information and how fast everything happened in an already stressed situation was a recipe for disaster for anyone including the second strongest soldier and I think even Levi in exact same circumstances would die.
"if we remain without horses we are dead" Erwin
It would be like if you were on a hike, then a bear approached you and started taunting you in English. Most people freeze up at the sight of a bear, a talking bear thatās expressing malicious intent would give most a heart attack. Like most rules of lie down, fight back, or retreat likely wonāt apply to this cognizant bear. But also, you canāt really remember the rules, BECAUSE THERES A TALKING FUCKING BEAR.
That's a really good analogy
I disagree. I feel like, given his skill set and speed, Levi would be able to dodge the horse entirely and escape alive. (Although that might be me overestimating him) from there, he'd just need a way of alerting or returning to the others. And, I don't think he'd engage since he'd know the titan has other capabilities it hasn't shown off yet. From what we've been shown, I think Levi is perfectly capable of surviving.
Escape alive where and how? He wouldn't have a horse anymore and would be in a very open area with no trees, that's literally a death sentence. That's the same in RTS and it's only for the titans beside Zeke that Levi uses as tall objects and obv Erwin's gamble with the horses and smoke was to divert Zeke's attention from Levi long enough
The problem is that Levi has "plot" level skill. In that he is never actually "bested" throughout the entire story. Let alone that he never even needs to struggle. He essentially just outright demolishes (or embarrasses in the case of his first encounter with Kenny) every single opponent throughout the story unless he is already injured (as is the case in the final fight, he is so injured that his presence in the fight itself is ridiculous). He is only injured due to the mistakes of others, or his own mistakes that have no relation to combat. The takeaway is that you can't ever really say that Levi wouldn't just dodge the horse, kill all the small titans, then kill the beast titan. At least if put in a situation where that was the only option. It is just impossible to say "Levi couldn't do that" because we never once see a plot limit to what Levi can manage.
Youāre NOT overestimating him. If it had been Levi, monkeh would be the one getting ripped apart!
Nope. He was literally low on gas. What would Levi do? take off ODM gear and start cutting Zeke's toes?
Depends how low weāre talking. I feel Levi wouldnāt let it get that bad in the first place when thereās an active threat. Weāve already seen how much he can do with just 1 full load of gas and blades in Shiganshina. That was like 30+ titans AND the Beast in 1 go.
I feel like without knowing anything about the Beast Titan, he wouldn't do as well as in Shinganshina. He wouldn't know that it is a titan shifter. And low gas wouldn't give him much time to think this through, since he can't retreat nor dodge for a long time
Zeke wouldnāt know about ODM gear or Ackermanns either, and it wouldāve probably ended with Levi blitzing his nape before he had a chance to think "Oh fuck, this guy is fas-" *dead*
He isn't dumb though? If Levi dodged the horse, he would most likely have to use ODM gear anyway before confronting Zeke. And he was a bit far from Mike. The could just throw shit at Levi, like trees or random rocks
This Zeke has the open field advantage and there's no way for Levi to get anyway close to Zeke without getting shit thrown at him
That's a fight in a whole forest with tons of trees and literally thunder spears In Miche's position he has neither of those advantages over Zeke
No, Shiganshina was open planes, actually worse than what Miche had
Also in Shingashina Zeke was distracted until Levi got too close. Here, it was open field, Zeke was far away, he just just throw stuff at Levi
Why would he be cautious about a stupid weakling non-shifter Paradiser? (He doesnāt know about Levi in this scenario)
Okay, so let's say Levi dodges the horse. He probably has to use ODM gear to not fall off a roof and break his legs. Zeke now knows about ODM gear. The terrain is mostly flat- short trees, not much for Levi to use ODM gear efficiently without using up gas, since he can't swing around fully like with those tall trees. Why would Zeke get close if he doesn't know how long Levi can use the gear for? He can just grab a tree and throw it at Levi, there was no reason to not do that
My bad I assumed you meant the forest fight in S4 The Shiganshina fight there's a reason Levi even questions Erwin on the same thing about open field but Erwin points out the tall titans all beside Zeke and the reason Erwin and everyone died was to get Zeke's attention away from Levi as long as possible. If Levi were to storm to Zeke all by himself, he wouldn't be able to get even that close and it's only for the long titans and Erwin's (and scouts) sacrifices that he manages to get close to Zeke, all of these factors aren't available in Miche's position
He wouldnāt need to get close. Miche also dodged the horse, albeit more clumsily than Levi probably would, and Zeke was right up close a moment after. I donāt think Zeke with no knowledge of Levi would bother being cautious based on a single dodge. He seemed to have the same attitude as Porco in that he assumed he would be untouchable as a titan shifter. Thatās why even at Shiganshina he didnāt immediately harden his nape, but tries to fight instead. Levi has a 100% winrate in the entire series, so I doubt he would lose to an overly cocky Zeke.
Zeke only got close to speak to Miche after the bug titan caught so there's no reason for him to go close otherwise even if he underestimates him. He clearly say Miche killing the other titans so he waited for the right time and Levi got a 100% winrate tho neve got put in similar circumstances.
I hated Zeke for this.
I still hate Zeke for this
I hated him more for the Utagard castle because it wasn't just one person but 4 that died to him
lack of knowledge, lack of resources and being caught by surprise. this is probably the worst scenario that can happen to someone in the AOT, even if you are the second strongest soldier in the survey corps. that's why i love this scene so much, even though it's extremely brutal
>lack of knowledge, lack of resources and being caught by surprise. this is probably the worst scenario that can happen to someone in the AOT You can even apply this 2 episodes later in Utagard castle and all of Nanaba/Gelgar/Henning/Lynne die to similar reasons and they are as depressing
And also, the people on the island have never seen monkeys before. So basically from Mike's perspective he was attacked by some Hairy beast that could be a titan or not that can speak human tongue and can control other Titans. Who wouldn't be afraid.
This is more accurately displayed in the manga, but there is a significant difference in reflexes/speed/and combat abilities between Levi and Miche. Levi *could* still die, but he would be able to dodge the horse and he would not allow his shock to arrest him the way it did for Miche. The most shocked we see Levi is during the confrontation with Kenny, another Ackerman with superhuman abilities and Levi is able to recover and go on the offensive immediately. He is nearly out of gas and blades when he first takes down Zeke and the Cart rescues him. He is standing in the middle of a field with abnormals barreling towards him and he manages to kill every single one of them, in addition to making it up the wall before he essentially has to slide down because of exhaustion and lack of fuel. Levi manages to kill 30 pure titans that were his own comrades and catch up with Zeke without the use of a distraction/suicide charge. He was shocked in that situation and at a clear disadvantage, but still won without question. Obviously, there is a chance that Levi could die in the situation, but that's implying that Levi would ever allow himself to be put in that situation, and there is nothing about his character that suggests he would. He wouldn't jump off the building into a titan's mouth for one thing. That is a key difference and ultimately, it spells the end for Miche. Levi is far quicker at reacting. Zeke could win if he used the environment to his advantage, but he has no idea who Levi is at this point. And we know Zeke is cocky and underestimates his opponents, even after being warned about Levi. That worked with Miche because he was able to scare Miche and render him hopeless. But Levi is on an entirely different level. He soloed Annie and was able to bring her down before she could even harden. When he and Miche tried to strike her nape before, their blades were broken. So Levi uses a different approach the next time with Annie -- overwhelming her defenses and not giving her an opportunity to react, until Mikasa got stupid and he had to save her. Notice when Levi goes after Zeke the first time, he does not strike the nape. He cuts his hands, arms, eyes, legs, etc. He has extra knowledge about the 9 that Miche did not have in this scene and even if he didn't initially know that Zeke was a shifter, he still would have reacted differently. There are many factors to consider, but two big ones are that Levi would not have been surprised by the horse and would not have jumped to the ground to avoid it. He still could have died in the scenario, but I believe Zeke would have had to kill him directly, rather than the pure titans doing so. Or Zeke would need to call more pure titans to overwhelm Levi because there is no chance Levi would have let those still remaining live. Zeke had to detonate his own suicide vest in order to place Levi on the sidelines long enough for the Yaegerists to take over, so I do not see a scenario where Levi is taken out by a few pure titans and a horse in the same way that Miche was. It could be more interesting than the fights we saw, but I'm still putting money on Levi. ETA: It's also worth noting that Levi wouldn't, under any circumstances, be shuffled off on a side quest to find a hole in the wall. I'm not saying that Levi is more important and less expendable than Miche, but Levi is more important and less expendable.
This is the answer right here. The gap between humanity's strongest and second-strongest would've been the difference maker. Speaking at a meta-level, I also think that Miche got the bad end of poor writing. Even SC soldiers like Nanaba and Gelgar didn't freeze up when confronted by a surprising situation, and I never thought Miche should have. It seemed out of character for him. But, going back to in-universe: Yes, Levi would've reacted much faster and not let himself be frozen by shock and fear. Sure, he might have still died, but the situation would've played out far differently.
I agree with Miche's death being poorly written and a weaker point in Isayama's otherwise, near-flawless, storyline. He could have died in the same scene, but he should've died fighting, rather than screaming. He has very little onscreen time as is and we really don't see much of his fighting prowess. We're just told he's the second strongest after he kills a few titans, but the only thing remembered about him is his death. I feel like his character should have had more impact. He and Moblit (from what I recall) are not mentioned again after their deaths. They are seen everytime Erwin or someone else discusses the fallen comrades, but not even mentioned by name and it's odd. Miche's death isn't even acknowledged. Moblit's death is a featured in a flashback in Hange's memory, and his role in the story is even more significant. That said, from a writer's perspective, he has too many characters to give each of them a well-written send off or significant time in the story to develop, so I can sort of understand it. I still think this scene could have been improved. The Scouts don't quit or run. Remove Miche looking fearful and let him die like a badass. Nothing changes, except the fact that Miche is able to die like the hero he deserves. Floch's death was given more reverence for crying out loud.
Spot on about everything. Yeah, Miche wasn't given enough screentime (but yeah, beyond the main Survey Corp, who could be?), wasn't written as the sort we were told about, and was only remembered afterwards in small, very passing moments. As if he was "Humanity's 2nd strongest" blah blah blah, but had no friends in the SC. Maybe Levi remembers Miche grinding his face into the ground (from that OVA)? I don't know... Anyway, I can go on about Miche totally locking up - no fight, hide, flee compulsion that you'd completely expect a veteran soldier to have, no composure, just "OMG, talking monke". Yes, sure, even veteran soldiers can freeze up, and suffer from cognitive or emotional overload. But there was no indication Miche was at that point, so it didn't feel real that he suddenly dumped into it just because Zeke's Beast titan talked to him. Eh... I can ramble on, but really, all I'm saying is that I agree with you. On everything, from Moblit to Miche's role not being fulfilled well, Floch getting a better ending scene... yeah, all of it.
You need to rewatch the scene because his fear only happens after he is already got his legs chomped which is a death-loss scenario for even Levi so idk why you keep bringing his shock/fear up multiple times. Miche doesn't jump into the titan's mouth, he dodges a fast horse throw, but he just happens to fall into a titan's hands which chomps his legs immediately. In both cases in fight of Shiganshina and forest there are a lot of different factors that are in advantage to Levi compared to Miche's position, so it isn't fair to compare them. Zeke is cocky and would underestimate Levi in that position but Levi still can do nothing if he has no horse, is in an open field area, and no way to get to Zeke since he is in his line of sight. I'm not saying Levi wouldn't fare better than Miche but there's literally not one factor going for him and again with lack of information, he will eventually get killed by a Zeke throw if not by one of the titans.
Putting Levi into the same situation is kinda pointless. Him just being there from the start changes things. He probably would've killed the titans much faster and he would've reacted better to Zeke throwing his horse. And unless Zeke just stood back and bombarded him (which Zeke probably wouldn't do since he doesn't know about Levi yet), Levi has a chance to kill him.
I'm currently on a rewatch of the show in its entirety since it's over, and I just finished Season 2. Miche is initially shocked by the fact that Zeke picks up the horse and throws it. He reacts too late to the horse being thrown and falls off the building. There isn't a scene-by-scene equivalent for Levi to compare them but we do see him get shocked and he's still able to dodge literal bullets with Kenny without putting himself into harm's way. The point of contention is that I don't see a world where Levi is falling off the house and getting chomped. He is jumping away. In the Shinganshina fight, I'm referring to Levi being on the ground. After Erwin and everyone else are dead/dying and Pieck grabs Zeke forcing Levi to move away. Levi is on the ground, exhausted after striking down an entire row of titans plus Zeke by himself, has no horse, no backup, and only one blade each left (same as Miche). He is also low on fuel and is completely out by the time he gets back to the wall. Zeke yells at the pure titans to run and kill Levi. There are five of them in the shot. To suggest that Levi is at a greater advantage in that particular scene than Miche was on the building is not accurate. He's not. And he still wins and still pursues Zeke over the wall. I bring up Levi's shock because we see how Levi reacts to surprising situations and information that shakes him to the core. Miche's shock and inability to react is ultimately what puts him in a compromising position. Levi would see the horse being thrown and jump away onto the building putting Levi in a better position than he was in at the end of the Shiganshina battle. We don't know how much fuel Miche has left because he doesn't use his gear in that scene. But we do know that Levi is out of fuel after he soloed a whole row of titans and Zeke, so for the sake of argument, let's assume, Miche had a little bit a fuel left because he has fewer titans to take out and doesn't kill them all before taking refuge on the building. Meaning that Levi also has a little bit of a fuel if he's being placed in the same scenario. I don't see Levi leaving the 3 pure titans alive in the, but we'll keep them there too just for fun. Levi jumps out of the way of the horse, but wouldn't fall off the building and wouldn't be injured. Maybe Zeke approaches, but Levi would immediately go on the offensive. Again, there are a few ways that Zeke could potentially win by surprising Levi to the point where he gets injured like Miche did, grabs Levi and squeezes him to death (assuming Levi would stand still long enough for that to happen.) Or Zeke destroys the building, surrounding trees, and calls extra pure titans to take Levi out. Levi *could* die, yes, but you'd have to bend over backwards and rob Levi of every special ability he canonically has in order to say that he'd end up in the same position. Zeke would have to throw everything he had at an enemy he didn't know about in order for him to get the best of Levi and he wouldn't be prepared for that. None of the Marleyan warriors are prepared when they face the Eldians for the first time. They would both be at a disadvantage and it's just a matter of who outlasts who.
This right here.
This is definitely what I'm also going with 100%. Well written answer!
Basically, if Levi is 100, Miche is the second best and he is at best 75.
God, poor Mike. When you think about how strong, cool and calm he always was before this scene, it almost feels as if he's not only being killed, but *humiliated*, here. Such a sad and uncomfortable moment :( (Still can't get over how he was never actually mentioned again after this either, wtf?)
It probably would've ended differently. Levi's superhuman reflexes might've allowed him to dodge the horse on the roof. As to what would happen after that, we'll never know.
Even Miche dodges the horse so that isn't the point of contention. Even he doesn't fall and a titan chomps his leg immediately, he still is stranded in an open field area and no horse so no way for him to get close the Beast
There were multiple houses there he could've used to stay away from the pures and no other horses so the beast would have had to approach him or start uprooting and chucking trees. It's levi. If worst comes to worst, he'd use the titans as anchors.
Where are the other houses lol? It is just the one building he was fighting on with nothing around. The beast would just break trees and throw which isn't too outlandish. He can try using the titans as anchors but unlike Shiganshina there's nothing to divert Zeke's attention so he would never be able to get close enough
Thereās no āmightā about it. Remember in the final battle Levi and Mikasa realized that the plane needed to dodge the thrown rocks before the pilot did. They basically have spider senses. He would definitely dodge the horse. Whether he survives the whole encounter alone and low on gas is another story.
Levi being an awakened Ackerman gives him plenty of advantage over Miche here. Miche was not only done in by a lack of information, he didn't react fast enough to prevent falling into the clutches of a titan even though he saw Zeke getting ready to throw a horse at him and he also got shell shocked so that he wasn't able to attempt to move after he was dropped from the grip of the titan and let Zeke remove his ODM. Awakened Ackerman are described to have a heightened sense of awareness and judgement so they instantly react in the most optimal way. This means Levi would not have been lagged by a sense of fear and would be able to get away at least enough to assess his next moves. He probably could have won since he later demonstrated he could take down the Beast even on flat ground and he would realize right away this hairy monkey is just another guy in a titan suit. Or at the least he would have put up a fight. Miche should have also known that this Beast titan was just another shifter since he had dealt with the Female titan, but he let his natural fear reaction hinder him.
The people of the island have never seen monkeys before, or heard the mention of a beast titan (I think). So from Miche's perspective he was suddenly attacked by a giant hairy thing that could be a titan or not that can speak human tongue and control other Titans.
Yeah. Miche's reaction is reasonable and natural for most humans, so it's not accurate to compare Levi to him. Hell, even I thought that there must be more to the Beast titan and that he was some kind of alien overlord despite already knowing that there are people that can turn into titans in their world. The sheer number of unknowns the Beast titan suddenly presented would naturally be scary.
Iāve always said that Miche had one of the most unfortunate deaths and circumstances. Itās one thing to be completely wiped from encountering the BT with no info about him, but to watch your horse fly into you, break your legs, AND get eaten by MULTIPLE titans was brutal.
Levi wouldāve dodged the horse and would have managed to not get grabbed by a Titan. Ackermanās somehow sense danger and react quicker than normal folk. Think of the gunfire at liberio, Levi sensed it before it came, and he sensed the Titan behind him in the forest and reacted. Mikasa dodges gunfire at the port vs the jaegerists as well. I know there are more examples but I canāt think of them
Rewatched this scene recently when I was playing the AOT 2 game and I got chills because I completely forgot how brutal it was
Man I hated this scene, Zeke showed such disgusting disregard for life and only continued to do so every time he appeared.
Nah, Levi would have massacred them. We saw exactly what happened when Levi was jumped by his former comrades turned titans. He massacred them. People keep forgetting that Levi is not normal with regards to fighting abilities. Mike sadly was only human and as such met a grim fate.
Levi would have won, he's way more skilled and efficient in ODM use, meaning he'd have more gas than Mike did in this situation. Zeke has no idea what Levi is capable of, so if Levi went into the forest, Zeke would more than likely give chase and get mopped (tall tress or normal, he got wrecked in an open field so it doesn't matter).
How would Levi escape? Levi in Mikeās position wouldnāt be able to do anything really other than prolong his death. Heās in an open area surrounded by pure titans with no horse. He canāt get to the forest unless he runs for it which is a death sentence. He canāt hide in the house either because thatās also a death sentence. And from all the fight scenes we see with the beast, Zeke never really engages in combat himself, he just sits back no matter what so I doubt Zeke would chase after. He just wouldāve sent his pure titans or thrown shit at a tired and weakened Levi. Levi only defeated Zeke in s3 because he got the jump on him using the tall 15m titans around a distracted Zeke.
>Heās in an open area surrounded by pure titans with no horse. He canāt get to the forest unless he runs for it which is a death sentence. Maybe you didn't notice that he's at the edge of a forest in this scene, he can easily flee using odm gear. Zeke didn't have a pile of rocks at the ready to prevent this, the cart was bringing his ammo at shiganshina.
Sometimes I wonder about what if Mike and Levi switched places this episode
As I said I think Levi was to die if he was in Miche's position
Levi would definitely die, but I wonder if Mike would have been able to live up to the legacy Levi has left behind. For example, assuming Mike lives until season 4, he likely wouldnāt have survived the Thunder spear explosion; thatās if he even survives the beast titan fight in shiganshina
It's really hard to say bc sadly we barely get to see him in actual action so it's hard to even scale how fast/powerful he would be in these situations. Tho I think one advantage is that Miche could smell there's smth wrong with the wine from the start and no one was gonna drink it
Honestly, I very much doubt Levi would die. In every situation where Levi has faced the Beast Titan, it's been a fairly one-sided stomp. I don't see how he couldn't just close the distance and slice at its nape, especially considering how cocky and overconfident Zeke can be.
I don't think he would. At the end of the day, however skilled he might become, he ain't an Ackerman, so that's a fundamental disadvantage.
i think yama at first want to make miches as sidekick of levi, but as progress of story it becomes burden and difficult to retain this concept, so he made quick shameless forced plot to kill this 2nd strongest soldier resulting this character feels just like another patriotic but having bad omen as survey corps member
I agree, Levi could probably have reacted to/dodged the horse though.
Even Miche dodges the horse so that isn't a point of contention.
He dodged it a bit late and that's why he fell off the roof, Levi could probably have reacted better or used his ODM gear if he were to also fall off.
It was the hardest scene to watch in the whole attack on titan, even harder than sasha's death.
Yep. It could have been anybody. That's how you raise the stakes for the other characters. Show one of the strongest characters getting completely humiliated and torn apart. It could have been Levi or Mikasa.
Exactly. It was the lack of knowledge that ended him. I miss him so much. Will always be my favorite.
Zeke did him dirty, but he got what was coming to him.
Here is what I think: When Miche fought Zeke's titans he had fresh ODM with all his blades and gas. He took out five of the nine titans and had only one pair of blades left after he was done. He had to leave because it would be really risky to engage with only two blades and he thought he bought enough time with what he did accomplish. Levi killed a much greater number of titans at Shiganshina, and then sliced up Zeke's titan. Only then did he go to his last pair of blades, so he's much more efficient with his weapons. So Levi in this situation would have all the pure titans dead before facing Zeke, and he'd have more supplies. So if he does mess up by calling his horse, Levi still has a really good chance because he can use the trees and buildings to make his way to Zeke. Hell, Levi might just zip over to him as soon as he's killed the last pure titan, not even giving him a chance to throw the horse.
What? No, Levi's skills are far beyond Miche's and he's even more cautious.
Take me through how more skills/caution would help in being stranded in an open field area without a horse and against the Beast who is far from him. This is also assuming a best-case scenario where Levi doesn't fall and gets his legs chomped
>Open field lmao open? the place was COVERED in trees dude. When Miche got hit/ didnt get hit with the horse and fell behind the building he was on, there was even multiple trees to each side of him - no more than a couple of feet. When Zeke crouches down he's also SURROUNDED by trees. and by this stage the beast is already directly infront of him - not far like you say. You keep just making up things about the scene to fit your point lol. And yeah more skills would of led to him not getting possibly hit by a flying horse, then falling and having his leg bit off. ***Like you really picture Levi getting hit with a horse from miles away and then directly falling into a random titans hands/mouth after? nothing we've ever seen from him would indicate this could happen.*** For example Levi & Mikasa in the final ep where even able to sense Zeke throwing rocks at them at ridiculous speeds, without even looking at him ( when theyre in the plane) but you're telling me Levi is gona get hit by a horse he's directly looking at? lol no way. I think people really put too much into this scene, i think him being " humanitys second strongest soldier " is just a throwaway line to show how powerful/threatening Zeke is. but thats just how I see it.
What if levi and miche switch in this situationĀ
Poor Mike....that was brutal
I dont think levi would have died in that situation the beast looks extremly different than another other titan and levi already knows about the shifters so its pretty easy to assume he is a shifter. i think the beast would have lack of information he knows little about odm gear and even in the first fight between levi and the beast the beast was warnned about levi by reiner that he is dangerous but still lost
There's no reason to assume a titan is a shifter cuz he looks different, titans come in a lot of shapes and looks. Until he grabs a horse, there's nothing too extraordinary about how Zeke acts from abnormals and he sees odm in action already when Miche kills the other titans so he isn't gonna get close unless he sees that person is caught and unable to move
I hate the fact that he died so early
It isn't the fact he died early for me but that we didn't much of him before he died
I disagree, I don't think Levi would have been so shell shocked by hearing a Titan speak. It would have caught him off guard yes, but he wouldn't have froze, he would have still been prepared for whatever this new threat threw at him, no pun intended
Still hate this scene, but it's also one of my favorites. They'd come far in such a short amount of time by learning about titan shifters, plus acquiring one through Eren and using him to fill the hole in Trost. Then capturing Annie with the hopes of learning more. From where they were just days prior, it was a massive leap of knowledge, but it was still not enough. There's so much they still did not know. Power and knowledge and heart, no matter how strong, can only get you so far. Everything has it's limits. Also, he fared far better than I ever would've bothered. If I saw a giant ass monkey walking around, I would be out before it even started throwing shit. Do not have the time nor the patience nor the resolve to deal with that.
>There's so much they still did not know. Power and knowledge and heart, no matter how strong, can only get you so far. Everything has it's limits. This was their biggest issue and that's why they lost in Annie capture in forest, Miche/Nanaba/Gelgar/Henning/Lynne die, Reiner/Burrito failed capture on the wall, and and almost all of them were eradicated in RTS
It's not even just that titan shifters or an outside world exists, but that entire world - at least that group - despises them and was set on destroying them no matter the cost. Titans are mindless and just kill because that's what they do, so shifting to an enemy that is trained to kill and has plans is a whole other battle field. How the hell do you plan for that kind of hatred and resolve when you believed that what's left of humanity was behind the walls?
Itās like how Caesar speaks in Rise of the planet of apes. It was such a powerful scene and the āNOā just shocks you. Similarly they just found out that titans can be somewhat have sense but to have one speak and command others would make you stop in your track no matter who you are
Levi or Mikasa would've get folded easily by monke in that situation.
People forget how difficult odm gear have it in open spaces. In cities and the tall af forest you can grapple and keep using momentum to swing but in open space you have to use a lot more gas so that you can get to your next grapple spot. Keeping all this in mind and fighting titans is exhausting both physically and mentally. All this he was doing alone with no hope of backup and no information.
This scene is why I always wanted Zeke to die. And another reason the Zeke retcons was complete bullshit.
What Zeke retcons lol
I disagree. Levi would definitely dodge the horse. And he'd keep his cool, while Miche freaked out. Levi would dispatch the small ones pretty easily, leaving it as him vs the Beast Titan, which he wouldn't lose. I don't think he'd beat Zeke without getting the jump on him (or without thunder spears), but Zeke wouldn't be able to beat him either. Levi would be able to disable Zeke for long enough to get away without a horse.
There's no way for Levi to get a jump on him or get close enough while Zeke is able to throw anything at him so I don't see why you think Levi wouldn't lose when he has no way to even get close with no help
I know Levi's not getting the jump on him. I'm saying that because he can't he wouldn't be able to kill Zeke. I'm saying that he could disable Zeke, such as by slicing the tendons in his ankles, then escaping. He wouldn't win, but he wouldn't lose.
Zeke really sucks lol
Levi might be able to take some of them down
>if you put Levi in his position, it wouldn't end much better. Considering Levi is a superhuman, I think it ends much better for him personally, he could easily dodge the horse that was thrown at him (considering he can dodge bullets) and I doubt he'd be shaken up by the beast titans ability to speak, considering he wasn't scared to fight against Eren despite being a cripple.
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His death was so disturbing to watch. Seeing him get slowly ripped apart while screaming was justā¦.Ugh
Bro, I can still hear Mike's screams from just looking at the picture. The scene is so well done that while watching everything that's going on I simply feel panic knowing what's about to go down
For some reason, this death scene, and more specifically the titan biting his head, bothered me more than most of the other ones.
Panggil saya woubi
I feel bad whenever I see this trope. The first kill in a supernatural event is always unfair, the character is not expecting a taking, smart, monke to just send the other titans after them!
Miche's death was probably the most disturbing one for me. I watched it one time and couldn't bring myself to watch it again. It was brutal, and listening to him screaming really got me. :'|
Do we care? Guy went around sniffing people. He's weird!
Levi might have dodged the horse tbh his reflexes are unhuman
I agree. In this situation, Levi would have ended the same way. He didn't have enough info.
Nah this was just lazy writing or unnecessary hype for beast titan. We are supposed to believe that someone who is 2nd only to Levi does not have any mental resilience to act against that situation especially considering the level of mental fortitude that Levi has and so its hard to believe that a close 2nd like Miche just froze like that.
Micheās death was the most horrific for me, whenever the conversation about how brutal the show is I look his death up on YT. That shit is insane. The visceral brutality really dies down towards the end.
Zero really held a semi-polite convo with this man and then went āk bye, see u neverā and let him get eaten
i like titan wkwk
beasttt
i am titan hahaha
I remember I used this argument to state why Levi had a crazy plot armor, and I got down voted so crazily, with most of them basically getting angry as to how dare I put Levi on Miche's level.
Levi would've dodged the horse
This is also the reason why Erwin didnt just send Levi
But which Miche is getting the best head?
the one thing mike did wrong was he didn't react fast enough to the horse zeke threw, levi's ackerman genes likely would have enhanced his reflexes, although mike was incredibly stunned by zeke throwing said horse as titans usually pay no attention to other animals, if zeke hadn't fallen off the roof he may have stood a chance
Miche was called the strongest aside from Levi. Maybe they weren't considering Mikasa, but still. Levi would definitely have been taken out. Hell, even when he fought the beast Titan he was well informed, well prepped, and given good opportunities to strike.
He lacked information PepeLaugh
levi is in a whole nother dimension of skill speed and power
The way Miche died is exactly why I'll always hate Zeke bruh, the guy was gettin grabbed from every spot and gettin chewed on literally everywhere, horrifying that he was still alive to feel all that
Bro what are you talking about , levi would never end up in that position in the first place , never. Miche fell like an idiot and let zeke take his shit , even eren would react better, both levi and eren have very strong survival instincts , so even if they are shocked , they will just react instinctively.
Information is vital.
Why did zeke let him be killed ?
Nah I disagree Leviās abilities arenāt just a āskillā the ackermans actually have titan abilities akin to being almost able to see a few seconds into the future during combat I canāt remember what panel itās on but Levi describes it as ājust knowing what to doā in this situation Levi probably wouldnāt have been stunned into a catatonic state heād have reacted and gotten out of there
Nah, he'd fare better because zeke wouldn't be able to hit his petite frame on the roof.
Noā¦Levi is handsome heād get out of it. Trust me
nah, levi would be fine
When the plot armor runs out.
I tell you one thing that was freaky. The bottom right corner when I first saw it blurred, I thought it was his head. Until the Blu-ray showed it was him getting torn in half. Now that's really brutal.
Well he also didn't keep his nerve, and got dramatic at the end reminding Zeke to kill him with his last battle cry. Levi wouldn't stand a chance without ODM gear either, but he probably wouldn't have left his nerve or his gear in the first place, by being twice as suspicious and observant of the best titan.