yeah but people overlook paisley park (yasuho stand) for a normal human stand
like having complete technological manipulation is the strongest power a modern human can have honestly
Pear Jam is the ultimate stand for regular people. Removing any health problems by cooking a delicious meal could protect those close to you and make you insanely rich if you want to be.
Just wondering, could that stand work on its own user? Because comparing that and crazy diamond, you either have amazing tasting food that fixes an injury on consumption - or you have reparation (or simplification? Like when josuke got the Pearl Jam out of chef’s food) of practically every being and object but yourself + fighting ghost for any tough jobs
Pearl Jam doesn't just heals wounds. It improves your body. I don't think Crazy Diamond can fix things that aren't the result of a recent traumatic injury.
The ingredients and cooking skill have to equate to the ailment it's curing. Are you a master chef with a master budget? I know I'm not. I don't know anyone that is.
Controlling someone with Heaven's door is like with the deathnote. It needs to be within their human abilities to perform the action or else they cant do it. So you cant wright that someone has a stand unless they could already do that
It doesn't make the user lucky, that's a misconception, Poco Loco is just that fortunate by himself. However he has a weaker Epitaph-like precognition (seeing a cow carcass to slide on, foreseeing a blizzard to avoid)
Yeah, in this case the fortune teller he met before the race. They have godly powers in JoJo, where fate is king (pocoloco one, the guy who revealed Diavolo and got massacred for it, Avdol himself)
It's not even that Rohan is too stupid to exploit Heaven's Door's ability to it's fullest; it's becase his ego is too massive that he doesn't use it to it's full potential.
The only time he *does* is during The Run OVA when he used it to cheat death, and he not only felt shitty about it, but now was worried for his own safety because of how dangerous Yoma has become.
That weird little fucker who can send out hundreds of little dudes to collect specific items, that's what I'd pick. All the forgotten change from an entire block or more ? Yes please
My god the errands I could get done. The RECYCLING. I COULD DO MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF CLEANUP. Oh this beach is inundated with microplastics? Fuckin, not anymore! My god the possibilities
I'd go with Crazy Diamond. The ability to fix anything is really helpful, especially for a klutz like me. Plus it can fix wounds, and is pretty powerful combat-wise.
Crazy Diamond is really the top 3 best stands to have irl. You can be a medic, or fix literally anything. Which is amazing for saving and making money.
DIO absolutely passed up loads of times to risk free kill Jotaro in stopped time and he didn't. Probably the worst is when he kept time frozen for longer than Jotaro could and then just gloated instead of stabbing him in the throat or something
I hate how nobody even gives attention to MiH. It would clap literally anyone, except maybe GER if Giorno knows about MiH.
I haven't finished Part 8 yet so please no spoiler if there's a stronger stand
Shut up I'm not basic I'm just uhhhhh I'm uhhh when uhhh the hmm well hmm lemme think uhhh hold up uhhhhhhh wait wait hmmmmm I'm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I just like Johnny and Gyro, plus it has some of the coolest stands :(
Yeah but you wanna know what heavens door is everyone’s favorite stand?
Because it has meme potential, literally the ability to do whatever the fuck it wants and makes you a great artist.
Sure my reasonings could be off but still HD is one of the better stands in the series
HD is the most powerful stand. Imo, no one who intends to use that power should have it. Those that want to are psychopaths. The only reason Rohan can use it is because he basically only uses it for research.
Araki does this a lot, with stands balanced or reflected by their users. Okuyasu being dumb enough that one of the most powerful stands in existence is just average in his hands, Joseph compensating for his weak stand with Hamon, etc.
"I will explode into valid winning jackpot lottery tickets."
"I will follow (name) until I catch them, at which point I will grab them and explode in a ball of fire."
**"I will explode, rewinding time for Rohan Kishibe one hour."**
#***[Heaven's Door OP](https://youtu.be/rY0WxgSXdEE).***
Can Rohan even use it on himself? I don't recall him ever canonically doing that other than that one time with Cheap Trick (which wasn't really normal circumstances).
Probably, I mean even not under normal circumstances should be enough to prove that he can.
But Rohan got HD cuz he is naturally gifted as far as how people get stands normally anyway. But he does use HD to create his manga so rather he got lucky with the stand ability.
Then potential goes both ways.
What fight was that? Like, Fake captain Tenille killed the original captain Tenille, Yellow Temperance wasn't around the real Kakyoin, Jotaro used the Qutaro trick on Enya as opposed to punching two identical Enyas, he wasn't around in the Oingo Boingo debacle, and IIRC he only threw one rock at the Sun's user
I can't remember another situation where they plausibly could have had Jotaro punch two people one of whom is the liar
It was the captain. He was gonna either accuse or punch each sailor until he found the fake one. But yeah, not the same exact situation, pretty much the same strategy though.
He was smart enough to figure out how to basically fly with his stand by intuiting the physics of it. A way more intelligent solution than “stand jump good”.
Here's some examples of Okuyasu being and idiot, since people can't see it for some reason.
Here's one: He just stare at Kira's dad flying with the stand arrow instead of using his stand to suck him in.
Here's another one: chasing Shigechi across the entire town instead of sucking him in.
Here's another one: punching the superfly instead of sucking the superfly's user in and punch him.
Here's another one: letting Kira run away because of, you guess it, not using his stand.
I can go on forever.
Now that I think about it, since the hand can erase space, with enough training, maybe JUST MAYBE it could erase time but it'll probably have to get a second act or some sort of ascension
Didn't the requiem arrow upgrade stands based on the user needs at the moment?, Silver chariot evolved to protect the arrow and gold experience specifically countered king's ability
There's nothing fully proving it beyond a doubt, but it's more than possible that the circumstances/desires of the user have a certain effect on how the stand evolves. We don't have enough instances of a stand getting arrow'd. The next best thing we have is when silver chariot briefly became it's identical requiem form in the farmhouse after pricking it's finger on the arrow. In my opinion that scene can kind of be used to advocate for both arguments that it just evolves a stand and that it evolves them according to the circumstances. For a more certain answer we'd need somewhat vastly different circumstances for the same stand.
As it stands it could be Araki just hasn't put much thought into this part of the arrow and gave the stands coincidentally fitting powers (similar to star platinum's elongated fingers but in a, uh, good writing execution kind of way? I swear I have a coherent writing concept for it in my mind, just not the words.) and decided to run with it. It'd also fit with how there's literally only 2 requiem stands in the entire series, but it could just be abandoned in a similar manner to Hamon as well.
That's just what *I* know and think though.
After it happens 3 times (including kira with BTD) in a story i think its safe to assume it gives you what you most need at that moment. For the chariot requiem being the same at the farm thats a good point, but since fate exists in jojo you can instead say something like 'the arrow will give you what you (will) need at the most dire time in your life' or something. As an example say in the future you are fated to die by falling off of a tall building. If you got stabbed by the arrow before then, then it would still give you a requiem stand that lets you fly regardless of if you need it right now or not
I don't think Kira necessarily qualifies as he did not stab his stand, but himself an additional time. Another concern could be that he did not use the arrow used by the requiem stands as well. It is not clear if the different arrows have a different effect on stands and their users. *I* do not think they have mentionable differences in effect, but it would be pretty cool in terms of writing, even though not appreciable by virtue of just not being known.
Only had a desire to mention that.
The arrows are only different visually. They're all just arrows forged from the same meteorite that do the same things under different circumstances. It's called the requiem arrow because that's what it was used for at the time but it's not like other arrows couldn't do the same. Like you said, Kira was stabbed by the arrow himself a second time resulting in another stand ability. But stabbing the actual stand would result in requiem.
I don't understand why people don't get this. Did people really expect him to just tear some middle schooler clean in half for stealing his lottery ticket?
Here's some examples of Okuyasu being and idiot, since people can't see it for some reason.
Here's one: He just stare at Kira's dad flying with the stand arrow instead of using his stand to suck him in.
Here's another one: chasing Shigechi across the entire town instead of sucking him in.
Here's another one: punching the superfly instead of sucking the superfly's user in and punch him.
Here's another one: letting Kira run away because of, you guess it, not using his stand.
I can go on forever.
Hmm, it's almost as if it's been confirmed that Araki had that in mind, and purposefully wanted to create a powerful stand with an incompetent user when designing Okuyasu and the Hand. (I say incompetent because I don't think Okuyasu is necessarily stupid, but just doesn't know how to utilize his stand to its fullest potential)
Also, I feel like Heaven's Door would be most people's favorite stand, if they've only made it to Part 4. It's a cool stand, and Rohan's a cool character, so it makes sense why it's so popular.
Honestly fuck heavens door.
Yaknow stuff that shouldn't make sense but does? Yhea heavens door is THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE
Like if we follow the same logic rohan used to skate 3 koichi out of the hand fetish corridor he could just write "I will dodge any attack perfectly" on his friends' brains and make them near invincible
Outside of evolutions like in Vento Aureo and SBR I’m certain that is the best and most practical for anyone, like imagine being an ER doctor and instantly healing patients
it only really fixes wounds
i feel like hey ya would be the best stand for a normal person
brings goof fortune,makes you take the right decisions and mental suport all the time
Even fixing physical wounds with stand power would be really good, not to mention you can repair any physical objects that are broken - of course probably not giant shit like an entire house
Here's some examples of Okuyasu being and idiot, since people can't see it for some reason.
Here's one: He just stare at Kira's dad flying with the stand arrow instead of using his stand to suck him in.
Here's another one: chasing Shigechi across the entire town instead of sucking him in.
Here's another one: punching the superfly instead of sucking the superfly's user in and punch him.
Here's another one: letting Kira run away because of, you guess it, not using his stand.
I can go on forever.
I'm so tired of hearing "tHe HaNd WoUlD bE tErRiFyInG iF oKuYaSu WaS sMaRt' but then they don't give any examples of how. I've searched for it on Jojo subs and all I got was "idk but it'd have a lot of potential" and "if someone were in between two buildings or walls he could scrape the space away to crush them". That wasbit. Any big brains in here have any ideas how Okuyasu could use his stand better?
its not that he hasnt shown creative and effective ways to use it, its that he doesnt apply them when he should. for example, he could have easily killed red hot chili pepper if he decided to use his erasing ability earlier, instead he used a barrage of kicks.
honestly, you could say the same thing about a lot of characters and their abilities, its just usually less egregious.
theres also the fact that he telegraphs his attacks so much that josuke was able to figure out how to counter him before he even figured out the ability, wheras most stand users are a huge threat until youve figured out their ability and thought about what you could do to counter it. with okuyasu it was like "well, hes putting a lot of emphasis on his right hand, hes obviously up to something and i should avoid his right hand". but thats back seat to the first thing i said.
i guess thats true, but that was just an example off the top of my head to illustrate the idea that he doesnt use his techniques optimally even though hes come up with some good ones. all characters are guilty of this to some degree (eg, why didnt kira just release sha into the house with josuke instead of relying on instructions over the phone to aim) but i think araki did it somewhat intentionally in okuyasu's case.
To your point about SHA, I’m pretty certain the reason he didn’t use that over the bubbles was because Josuke hard counters it. Remember what happens when he releases SHA onto Josuke and Okuyasu during the SHA fight? Josuke just “fixes” it back into Kira *immediately.*
Characters not using their abilities to the fullest is a common thing in Jojo and it's more on Araki than the characters themselves.
Kira running away from the Morio gang while half dead for example. Or any fight Jotaro is in in Part 4.
Here's one: He just stare at Kira's dad flying with the stand arrow instead of using his stand to suck him in.
Here's another one: chasing Shigechi across the entire town instead of sucking him in.
Here's another one: punching the superfly instead of sucking the superfly's user in and punch him.
Here's another one: letting Kira run away because of, you guess it, not using his stand.
I can go on forever and you're telling us we don't have any examples.
Bro, the character and his brother himself says that he could uses it better : Against Josuke : just scrap him away, against Red Hot Chili Pepper : He did used it correctly, against Shigechi and Kira : before he gets away, uses The Hand, against Toyohiro : well he was very far away, kinda hard, against Kosaku : instantly kills him the second he pulled him in his range.
Pulling Keicho and RHCP far from the outlet to save Keicho and have Crazy Diamond, the Hand, and Bad Company vs Red Hot in a 3v1. Red Hot would probably escape but Keicho would be alive
The Hand should theoretically make running away impossible, since when you run it just brings you back. This was not used on Kira, Kira's dad, Shigechi, Red Hot when he was in the motorcycle (and weakened), or the Superfly user
The Hand ignores durability. If he was smart Sheer Heart Attack would be a non threat once he arrived on the scene
He can erase Killer Queen's bombs. As long as he knows what the bomb is, he can completely negate KQ's main ability (like he did with the bubble at the end of part 4)
Ok so let’s say there’s a really ugly turtle in a pond, and Okuyasu is up against Josuke. He can just pull it towards himself, then he can just shit on Josuke because of his crippling fear of turtles
Tusk 4 is underrated because it gets slept on while everyone is like “GER breaks everything”.
Tusk 4 literally breaks the unbreakable through multiple dimensions.
Tusk 4 would have Giorno spinning in a ditch of confusion.
Tusk's shot is unstoppable, and I don't think GER could do anything about it once it gets started, but it'd have to actually get started first, which is GER would prevent in the first place
Though tbh it's pointless to argue about fictional depictions of zero and infinity because you could say either one wins and both would have a compelling argument for it
the way i see it, ger beats tusk act 4, tusk act 4 beats go beyond, go beyond beats ger
>!ger reverts the infinite spin to zero!<
>!go beyond has no way to block tusk act 4 and will get hit before it can do anything!<
>!ger can not return something that does not exist to zero!<
horses are expensive and not exactly a snap to take care of. Plus its not the easiest thing to just break out a horse for a fight and also keep the horse safe and galloping so you can use Tusk 4. Sure, Part 7 was a horse race so it really worked there but what about literally any other scenario
Here's some examples of Okuyasu being and idiot, since people can't see it for some reason.
Here's one: He just stare at Kira's dad flying with the stand arrow instead of using his stand to suck him in.
Here's another one: chasing Shigechi across the entire town instead of sucking him in.
Here's another one: punching the superfly instead of sucking the superfly's user in and punch him.
Here's another one: letting Kira run away because of, you guess it, not using his stand.
I can go on forever.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said The Hand would be OP if Okuyasu wasn't stupid, I'd be the richest person in the world.
If I had a nickel for every time someone suggested a smarter use for The Hand than what Okuyasu did (other than murder), I'd be broke.
Here's some examples of Okuyasu being and idiot, since people can't see it for some reason.
Here's one: He just stare at Kira's dad flying with the stand arrow instead of using his stand to suck him in.
Here's another one: chasing Shigechi across the entire town instead of sucking him in.
Here's another one: punching the superfly instead of sucking the superfly's user in and punch him.
Here's another one: letting Kira run away because of, you guess it, not using his stand.
I believe you are rich now. You're welcome.
A team comprised of Thoth, Khnum, Yellow Temperance, and Cinderella would be OP, since whoever Thoth shows winning is just them in disguise and Cinderella transfers all the bad stuff to their targets (basically the Oingo Boingo fight if Oingo didn't shoot himself in the foot by turning into Jotaro)
I just like Golden Experience and Sticky Fingers, actually Part 5 is my favorite Stand-wise and Story-wise, it’s when Araki learned how to mix the best things about the previous parts together and it only went uphill from there, from 5 through 8.
My favorite Stand is Paisley Park...
...Mostly because of the design...
...And I **DON'T** mean the thicc parts of the design.
How's that for an unpopular Stand opinion?
Heavens Door may not be my favorite stand, but given the choice to have any of them. Id pick Heavens Door
yeah but people overlook paisley park (yasuho stand) for a normal human stand like having complete technological manipulation is the strongest power a modern human can have honestly
Pear Jam is the ultimate stand for regular people. Removing any health problems by cooking a delicious meal could protect those close to you and make you insanely rich if you want to be.
Just wondering, could that stand work on its own user? Because comparing that and crazy diamond, you either have amazing tasting food that fixes an injury on consumption - or you have reparation (or simplification? Like when josuke got the Pearl Jam out of chef’s food) of practically every being and object but yourself + fighting ghost for any tough jobs
Pearl Jam doesn't just heals wounds. It improves your body. I don't think Crazy Diamond can fix things that aren't the result of a recent traumatic injury.
True true, I forgot about the body improvement part, haven’t watched p4 since long
yeah but i cant steal all the money a single mom of 5 has in her bank account by just think about it
After I cured Bezos ugly looking face I basically have enough influence to do so.
The ingredients and cooking skill have to equate to the ailment it's curing. Are you a master chef with a master budget? I know I'm not. I don't know anyone that is.
pearl jam likely is useless unless you are a great chef
based on what we've seen from heavens door, it could just write "has paisley park"
Controlling someone with Heaven's door is like with the deathnote. It needs to be within their human abilities to perform the action or else they cant do it. So you cant wright that someone has a stand unless they could already do that
ah yes, it is within human abilities to fly backwards at 70km/h
i genuinely think rohan just only cares about writing, thus he only used it for helping him write
You would be a damn good wrighter if you could just steal peoples life stories
I would pick Hey Ya. A buddy, who will always be by my side and cheer me up 'till I die? I would take it in a heartbeat
Plus it has an implied power to make its user very lucky no? At least i think so
It doesn't make the user lucky, that's a misconception, Poco Loco is just that fortunate by himself. However he has a weaker Epitaph-like precognition (seeing a cow carcass to slide on, foreseeing a blizzard to avoid)
Id honestly compare it to dragon's dream style luck factors.
Yeah, in this case the fortune teller he met before the race. They have godly powers in JoJo, where fate is king (pocoloco one, the guy who revealed Diavolo and got massacred for it, Avdol himself)
Nah dude was just lucky af that month or something. I think he mentioned a fortune teller saying that
It's not even that Rohan is too stupid to exploit Heaven's Door's ability to it's fullest; it's becase his ego is too massive that he doesn't use it to it's full potential. The only time he *does* is during The Run OVA when he used it to cheat death, and he not only felt shitty about it, but now was worried for his own safety because of how dangerous Yoma has become.
That weird little fucker who can send out hundreds of little dudes to collect specific items, that's what I'd pick. All the forgotten change from an entire block or more ? Yes please
You could also send Harvest to do some odd jobs and straight up stealing if you want.
My god the errands I could get done. The RECYCLING. I COULD DO MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF CLEANUP. Oh this beach is inundated with microplastics? Fuckin, not anymore! My god the possibilities
I'd go with Crazy Diamond. The ability to fix anything is really helpful, especially for a klutz like me. Plus it can fix wounds, and is pretty powerful combat-wise.
Crazy Diamond is really the top 3 best stands to have irl. You can be a medic, or fix literally anything. Which is amazing for saving and making money.
theres stands that can hop through literally dimensions but erasing things out of existence is so much cooler.
Dude the stand you mentioned can erase someone from 2 different universes so its 2x cooler
I guess most people doesn't know that because they haven't read the manga
D4C is broken, and so is Za Hando, and so is Heavens Door, and so is Za Warudo if used correctly, and Boy II Man.
Let's be honest, the World is the stand that gets nerfed the hardest by its user
I’m pretty sure that was the point that Dio got arrogant because of his godly powers and then lost because of said arrogance
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DIO absolutely passed up loads of times to risk free kill Jotaro in stopped time and he didn't. Probably the worst is when he kept time frozen for longer than Jotaro could and then just gloated instead of stabbing him in the throat or something
The best example of this is him stopping time to fuck with Polnareff while he was going up the stairs
Nah, that was really funny, he gets a pass from me
I hate how nobody even gives attention to MiH. It would clap literally anyone, except maybe GER if Giorno knows about MiH. I haven't finished Part 8 yet so please no spoiler if there's a stronger stand
>Boy II Man. this stand beat GER no questions asked
Yeah pretty much
The Hand is OP, no one said it's cool
you sayin it aint?
All I am saying that op only said that The Hand is OP, he didn't say it is cool. I mean it is kinda cool, but there are much more coller Stands
Cause it is
reason for report: im in this picture and i don't like it
"Part 7 is my favorite part"
"I like Jojo"
"jolynes dad should have his own anime"
they should make a Manga about jjba
Yeah I too think the same.
Shut up I'm not basic I'm just uhhhhh I'm uhhh when uhhh the hmm well hmm lemme think uhhh hold up uhhhhhhh wait wait hmmmmm I'm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I just like Johnny and Gyro, plus it has some of the coolest stands :(
Balls ![img](emote|t5_3f7q5|7818)
"part 4 is the best anime part"
Yeah but you wanna know what heavens door is everyone’s favorite stand? Because it has meme potential, literally the ability to do whatever the fuck it wants and makes you a great artist. Sure my reasonings could be off but still HD is one of the better stands in the series
HD is the most powerful stand. Imo, no one who intends to use that power should have it. Those that want to are psychopaths. The only reason Rohan can use it is because he basically only uses it for research. Araki does this a lot, with stands balanced or reflected by their users. Okuyasu being dumb enough that one of the most powerful stands in existence is just average in his hands, Joseph compensating for his weak stand with Hamon, etc.
Very true. Also not to mention heavens door can literally fling you at 70 MPH. So it can probably do just about anything
"I will explode into valid winning jackpot lottery tickets." "I will follow (name) until I catch them, at which point I will grab them and explode in a ball of fire." **"I will explode, rewinding time for Rohan Kishibe one hour."** #***[Heaven's Door OP](https://youtu.be/rY0WxgSXdEE).***
Very much this is possible cuz for all Rohan cares he can literally make you combust just because he feels like it
He made Koichi able to fluently speak Italian too
“ Heavens door! make him think he’s blind! “
>Okuyasu being dumb enough that one of the most powerful stands in existence is just average in his hands, Elaborate plz
I think the show does a pretty good job of that.
>and makes you a great artist. I'm pretty sure it doesn't do that. Rohan is just a great artist on his own.
I mean HD can rewrite everything about you down to your very existence soooo Yeah pretty sure it does do that
Can Rohan even use it on himself? I don't recall him ever canonically doing that other than that one time with Cheap Trick (which wasn't really normal circumstances).
Probably, I mean even not under normal circumstances should be enough to prove that he can. But Rohan got HD cuz he is naturally gifted as far as how people get stands normally anyway. But he does use HD to create his manga so rather he got lucky with the stand ability. Then potential goes both ways.
Okuyasu isn’t dumb and I will die on this hill
he’s not dumb but he doesn’t always make good decisions
Remember when was gonna punch both of them because he isn't very smart? He's definitely much more intelligent than the other characters suggest.
No one brings up the fact that jotaro did the exact same shit in part 3
And Jolyne when trying to find F.F.’s user.
What fight was that? Like, Fake captain Tenille killed the original captain Tenille, Yellow Temperance wasn't around the real Kakyoin, Jotaro used the Qutaro trick on Enya as opposed to punching two identical Enyas, he wasn't around in the Oingo Boingo debacle, and IIRC he only threw one rock at the Sun's user I can't remember another situation where they plausibly could have had Jotaro punch two people one of whom is the liar
It was the captain. He was gonna either accuse or punch each sailor until he found the fake one. But yeah, not the same exact situation, pretty much the same strategy though.
That was part of his character arc tho of learning to make his own solutions instead of doing smart guy stuff hes not good at
And after that just stare at Kira's dad flying with the stand arrow instead of using his stand to suck him in.
I just imagine Okuyasu responding going nah I’m pretty dumb.
He would 100% say that, which ironically, isn’t intelligent but is very wise.
He was smart enough to figure out how to basically fly with his stand by intuiting the physics of it. A way more intelligent solution than “stand jump good”.
Best Jobro.
Best Jobro Himbo
Here's some examples of Okuyasu being and idiot, since people can't see it for some reason. Here's one: He just stare at Kira's dad flying with the stand arrow instead of using his stand to suck him in. Here's another one: chasing Shigechi across the entire town instead of sucking him in. Here's another one: punching the superfly instead of sucking the superfly's user in and punch him. Here's another one: letting Kira run away because of, you guess it, not using his stand. I can go on forever.
Superfly gets a pass since it's an independant stand but all the rest are absolutely correct
He also just let Kira's dad go right after Jotaro told him not to just moments prior
Now that I think about it, since the hand can erase space, with enough training, maybe JUST MAYBE it could erase time but it'll probably have to get a second act or some sort of ascension
Now I want to know what the hand would be able of doing if it got the arrow....
Didn't the requiem arrow upgrade stands based on the user needs at the moment?, Silver chariot evolved to protect the arrow and gold experience specifically countered king's ability
There's nothing fully proving it beyond a doubt, but it's more than possible that the circumstances/desires of the user have a certain effect on how the stand evolves. We don't have enough instances of a stand getting arrow'd. The next best thing we have is when silver chariot briefly became it's identical requiem form in the farmhouse after pricking it's finger on the arrow. In my opinion that scene can kind of be used to advocate for both arguments that it just evolves a stand and that it evolves them according to the circumstances. For a more certain answer we'd need somewhat vastly different circumstances for the same stand. As it stands it could be Araki just hasn't put much thought into this part of the arrow and gave the stands coincidentally fitting powers (similar to star platinum's elongated fingers but in a, uh, good writing execution kind of way? I swear I have a coherent writing concept for it in my mind, just not the words.) and decided to run with it. It'd also fit with how there's literally only 2 requiem stands in the entire series, but it could just be abandoned in a similar manner to Hamon as well. That's just what *I* know and think though.
After it happens 3 times (including kira with BTD) in a story i think its safe to assume it gives you what you most need at that moment. For the chariot requiem being the same at the farm thats a good point, but since fate exists in jojo you can instead say something like 'the arrow will give you what you (will) need at the most dire time in your life' or something. As an example say in the future you are fated to die by falling off of a tall building. If you got stabbed by the arrow before then, then it would still give you a requiem stand that lets you fly regardless of if you need it right now or not
btd is dollar store requiem
I don't think Kira necessarily qualifies as he did not stab his stand, but himself an additional time. Another concern could be that he did not use the arrow used by the requiem stands as well. It is not clear if the different arrows have a different effect on stands and their users. *I* do not think they have mentionable differences in effect, but it would be pretty cool in terms of writing, even though not appreciable by virtue of just not being known. Only had a desire to mention that.
The arrows are only different visually. They're all just arrows forged from the same meteorite that do the same things under different circumstances. It's called the requiem arrow because that's what it was used for at the time but it's not like other arrows couldn't do the same. Like you said, Kira was stabbed by the arrow himself a second time resulting in another stand ability. But stabbing the actual stand would result in requiem.
and his need is to stop time checkmate
ZA FOOTO
My favourite stands are weather report and catch the rainbow
Blackmoore has one of my favorite character designs in the series tho it's so good
my headcanon is that the hands other hand could bring back the stuff the main hand deletes if used but Okuyasu was too dumb to realize
Nah that's Act 2
The world act 4 requiem over heaven*
"ZA HANDO ZA WARUDO! Sorry, thought it just might work!"
“Jotaro’s a boring character.”
But what if Okuyasu knows how to use his stand, and he just doesn't use it correctly because he doesn't want to kill people.
I don't understand why people don't get this. Did people really expect him to just tear some middle schooler clean in half for stealing his lottery ticket?
he could bring bim closer and take the ticket back instead of playing catch
Here's some examples of Okuyasu being and idiot, since people can't see it for some reason. Here's one: He just stare at Kira's dad flying with the stand arrow instead of using his stand to suck him in. Here's another one: chasing Shigechi across the entire town instead of sucking him in. Here's another one: punching the superfly instead of sucking the superfly's user in and punch him. Here's another one: letting Kira run away because of, you guess it, not using his stand. I can go on forever.
Hmm, it's almost as if it's been confirmed that Araki had that in mind, and purposefully wanted to create a powerful stand with an incompetent user when designing Okuyasu and the Hand. (I say incompetent because I don't think Okuyasu is necessarily stupid, but just doesn't know how to utilize his stand to its fullest potential) Also, I feel like Heaven's Door would be most people's favorite stand, if they've only made it to Part 4. It's a cool stand, and Rohan's a cool character, so it makes sense why it's so popular.
Honestly fuck heavens door. Yaknow stuff that shouldn't make sense but does? Yhea heavens door is THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE Like if we follow the same logic rohan used to skate 3 koichi out of the hand fetish corridor he could just write "I will dodge any attack perfectly" on his friends' brains and make them near invincible
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ngl why do that when you can write “good at clash royale” into yourself with heavens door?
Everyone gonna forget that if Illuso owned a Pocket Mirror he could solo 99% of the JoJo universe.
Ive never heard of anyones favorite stand being Heaven's Door. I would get why just never heard anyone have them as a favorite.
a very powerful stand being held back by the intelligence of its user was like one of the points of Okuyasu's character
I want crazy diamond cus it’s fuckin op as heck
Outside of evolutions like in Vento Aureo and SBR I’m certain that is the best and most practical for anyone, like imagine being an ER doctor and instantly healing patients
it only really fixes wounds i feel like hey ya would be the best stand for a normal person brings goof fortune,makes you take the right decisions and mental suport all the time
Even fixing physical wounds with stand power would be really good, not to mention you can repair any physical objects that are broken - of course probably not giant shit like an entire house
Bruh my favorite stand is Pearl Jam
My favorite stands are sticky fingers and echoes act 3
Okuyasu Is a great fighter who uses the hand in creative ways and I’m tired of pretending that he’s not. Put some respect on my man’s name!
Here's some examples of Okuyasu being and idiot, since people can't see it for some reason. Here's one: He just stare at Kira's dad flying with the stand arrow instead of using his stand to suck him in. Here's another one: chasing Shigechi across the entire town instead of sucking him in. Here's another one: punching the superfly instead of sucking the superfly's user in and punch him. Here's another one: letting Kira run away because of, you guess it, not using his stand. I can go on forever.
My favorite stand is moody blues Awesome abilty Awesome user Awesome sound effect Awesome design Awesome, round, as-
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My favorite stand is the one that doesn’t exist and i made it up and it makes anyone who i look at piss their pants its called black eyed piss
My favorite stand is Tepig :)
I kinda like Kraft Work since it just freezes things in place seems like a pretty good ability
Mine is whitesnake, c-moon and MIH
Need to see more white snake appreciation, the scene with him holding the gun is peak fiction
No need to get so personal
ppl on unpopular opinion on their way to say the most popular opinion
Duwang being filled with stand users with great potential seems normal when you consider that it’s a crazy noisy bizarre town.
Popular opinion bad. Me so special look at me please.
The hand isn't as broken as people might think tbh
My fav is golden experience. Sure everyone would call my choice basic but I share the love for biology just like Giorno. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
the hand is such a badass stand tho. Can't get enough of those low bass sounds
Highway star is a much cooler stand
"Guys okuyasu can solo fiction if he had 1 morbillion brain cells!!!!!"
I'm so tired of hearing "tHe HaNd WoUlD bE tErRiFyInG iF oKuYaSu WaS sMaRt' but then they don't give any examples of how. I've searched for it on Jojo subs and all I got was "idk but it'd have a lot of potential" and "if someone were in between two buildings or walls he could scrape the space away to crush them". That wasbit. Any big brains in here have any ideas how Okuyasu could use his stand better?
its not that he hasnt shown creative and effective ways to use it, its that he doesnt apply them when he should. for example, he could have easily killed red hot chili pepper if he decided to use his erasing ability earlier, instead he used a barrage of kicks. honestly, you could say the same thing about a lot of characters and their abilities, its just usually less egregious. theres also the fact that he telegraphs his attacks so much that josuke was able to figure out how to counter him before he even figured out the ability, wheras most stand users are a huge threat until youve figured out their ability and thought about what you could do to counter it. with okuyasu it was like "well, hes putting a lot of emphasis on his right hand, hes obviously up to something and i should avoid his right hand". but thats back seat to the first thing i said.
You're forgetting the fact that he was originally intending to take RHCP alive during that fight.
i guess thats true, but that was just an example off the top of my head to illustrate the idea that he doesnt use his techniques optimally even though hes come up with some good ones. all characters are guilty of this to some degree (eg, why didnt kira just release sha into the house with josuke instead of relying on instructions over the phone to aim) but i think araki did it somewhat intentionally in okuyasu's case.
To your point about SHA, I’m pretty certain the reason he didn’t use that over the bubbles was because Josuke hard counters it. Remember what happens when he releases SHA onto Josuke and Okuyasu during the SHA fight? Josuke just “fixes” it back into Kira *immediately.*
ok im not good at coming up with examples on the fly i guess lmao. to be fair its been a few years since i last watched part 4.
Characters not using their abilities to the fullest is a common thing in Jojo and it's more on Araki than the characters themselves. Kira running away from the Morio gang while half dead for example. Or any fight Jotaro is in in Part 4.
Here's one: He just stare at Kira's dad flying with the stand arrow instead of using his stand to suck him in. Here's another one: chasing Shigechi across the entire town instead of sucking him in. Here's another one: punching the superfly instead of sucking the superfly's user in and punch him. Here's another one: letting Kira run away because of, you guess it, not using his stand. I can go on forever and you're telling us we don't have any examples.
Bro, the character and his brother himself says that he could uses it better : Against Josuke : just scrap him away, against Red Hot Chili Pepper : He did used it correctly, against Shigechi and Kira : before he gets away, uses The Hand, against Toyohiro : well he was very far away, kinda hard, against Kosaku : instantly kills him the second he pulled him in his range.
Pulling Keicho and RHCP far from the outlet to save Keicho and have Crazy Diamond, the Hand, and Bad Company vs Red Hot in a 3v1. Red Hot would probably escape but Keicho would be alive The Hand should theoretically make running away impossible, since when you run it just brings you back. This was not used on Kira, Kira's dad, Shigechi, Red Hot when he was in the motorcycle (and weakened), or the Superfly user The Hand ignores durability. If he was smart Sheer Heart Attack would be a non threat once he arrived on the scene He can erase Killer Queen's bombs. As long as he knows what the bomb is, he can completely negate KQ's main ability (like he did with the bubble at the end of part 4)
I mean tbf Superfly is huge, Okuyasu was too far to pull him
Literally him just observing the environment would help a lot
Give an example lol
Ok so let’s say there’s a really ugly turtle in a pond, and Okuyasu is up against Josuke. He can just pull it towards himself, then he can just shit on Josuke because of his crippling fear of turtles
100 fucking percent. They always give the same cookie cutter answer with no substance behind it.
Tusk 4 is underrated because it gets slept on while everyone is like “GER breaks everything”. Tusk 4 literally breaks the unbreakable through multiple dimensions. Tusk 4 would have Giorno spinning in a ditch of confusion.
Johnny would have to shoot Giorno first though, which is what GER's ability would prevent from happening in the first place
The shot would break it. It broke love train, why wouldn’t it break anything else?
Tusk's shot is unstoppable, and I don't think GER could do anything about it once it gets started, but it'd have to actually get started first, which is GER would prevent in the first place Though tbh it's pointless to argue about fictional depictions of zero and infinity because you could say either one wins and both would have a compelling argument for it
You make a great point. It is a case of an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.
the way i see it, ger beats tusk act 4, tusk act 4 beats go beyond, go beyond beats ger >!ger reverts the infinite spin to zero!< >!go beyond has no way to block tusk act 4 and will get hit before it can do anything!< >!ger can not return something that does not exist to zero!<
Honestly, a very compelling argument. I like it.
you literally need a horse to use Tusk 4
Omg a whole horse. Where in god’s name could you ever find one.
horses are expensive and not exactly a snap to take care of. Plus its not the easiest thing to just break out a horse for a fight and also keep the horse safe and galloping so you can use Tusk 4. Sure, Part 7 was a horse race so it really worked there but what about literally any other scenario
I’d like to remind you that you are arguing within the jojo universe.
Echoes Act Two is the strongest stand and I will die on this hill
Writes "Za Warudo" and stops time
Here's some examples of Okuyasu being and idiot, since people can't see it for some reason. Here's one: He just stare at Kira's dad flying with the stand arrow instead of using his stand to suck him in. Here's another one: chasing Shigechi across the entire town instead of sucking him in. Here's another one: punching the superfly instead of sucking the superfly's user in and punch him. Here's another one: letting Kira run away because of, you guess it, not using his stand. I can go on forever.
Holy Diver\Ocean Man, Killer Queen, The Hand, Are my favorite stands in that order. Heavens Door isn't even a contender for me.
First one - yes Second one - no
My favourite stand is sticky fingers
"The Rohan spin-off is better than all Part 1-5 combined 😎"
with how much people hate part 6, i doubt people say this
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Hm, perhaps the joke wasn't funny enough
Now that's something we can both agree with.
Here, I'll fix it. There you go
Wthell? Nobody gives a shit abou heveans door
It means that araki did an amazing job in part 4 creating dope ass stands
My favorite Stand is Hey Ya!
My favorite stand is emperor
"im buzz lightyear!"
The hand is a good stand
My fave stand is golden wind since I can make my very own fleshlight/sex doll
I like Pearl Jam
If I had a nickel for every time someone said The Hand would be OP if Okuyasu wasn't stupid, I'd be the richest person in the world. If I had a nickel for every time someone suggested a smarter use for The Hand than what Okuyasu did (other than murder), I'd be broke.
Here's some examples of Okuyasu being and idiot, since people can't see it for some reason. Here's one: He just stare at Kira's dad flying with the stand arrow instead of using his stand to suck him in. Here's another one: chasing Shigechi across the entire town instead of sucking him in. Here's another one: punching the superfly instead of sucking the superfly's user in and punch him. Here's another one: letting Kira run away because of, you guess it, not using his stand. I believe you are rich now. You're welcome.
I’ve never seen someone say Heavens Door is their favorite.
Crazy diamond is probably a stand that u could use to make whole new religion out off
Killer Queen is still my favorite stand. Just give something a *boop* and it's a bomb
I understand the context, but please explain me the template
"Hahaha look guys, I'm so quirky because I'm such a contrarian, I'm not like everyone else"
i want Hight way to helm so much :D
Risotto is OP
“Yellow Temperance is OP.”
A team comprised of Thoth, Khnum, Yellow Temperance, and Cinderella would be OP, since whoever Thoth shows winning is just them in disguise and Cinderella transfers all the bad stuff to their targets (basically the Oingo Boingo fight if Oingo didn't shoot himself in the foot by turning into Jotaro)
I just like Golden Experience and Sticky Fingers, actually Part 5 is my favorite Stand-wise and Story-wise, it’s when Araki learned how to mix the best things about the previous parts together and it only went uphill from there, from 5 through 8.
my favorite stand is the cock
never seen the second one anywhere
My favorite Stand is Paisley Park... ...Mostly because of the design... ...And I **DON'T** mean the thicc parts of the design. How's that for an unpopular Stand opinion?
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I know im also in this type but my top 3 are killer queen, sticky fingers and d4c
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