Yeah I agree. It looks like an existing bathroom was split in two to fit the kitchen too.
So you're left with one double bedroom and whatever you call the other two rooms - from an already small one bedroom tenement. I imagine the living room and kitchen will be sold off as another flat.
Maybe not. My flat had a toilet/ shower room which was about the same length and width as that kitchen. Having said that, I have no idea what that toilet shower room was hacked out of. You have to remember that when these flats were built, many didn’t have they’re own toilets or bathrooms.
Nah, tenements came in all shapes and sizes. In some cases what nowadays is a single appartement would have 8 families living there. And other entire tenement buildings used to be a single house for a rich family.
Why haven't they knocked the kitchen and bathroom through, making the front by the windows the kitchen and making rear a bathroom. Lots of wasted "corridor" space in the bathroom.
Is there some rule that you can't alter internal walls?
Personally, for 35k if I worked in Glasgow I'd consider buying this if the layout coukd be fhabgrd. You'd cover the equivalent rent in 3 years.
For this particular situation I'm not too bothered about the toilet/bathroom having a window for making the rest of the space much more pleasant. However my SO has really made me appreciate the importance of being able to ventilate the WC.
But sometimes the layout needs to be Fhabgrded. If the Fhabgrd is done well then it will likely increase the value if they decide to sell it after, or at least make it a nicer place to live.
If the tenament is conservation, they might not be able to easily move the toilet to the other side and drill the holes needed for the pipes. There may not be a sewer connection on that side too. It's really common in Glasgow tenament to have those thin bathrooms
Compare it with this one, if you want to see what they're trying to get a way with:
https://www.purplebricks.co.uk/property-for-sale/1-bedroom-flat-glasgow-1093934
The floor plans make it obvious what is missing: both a living room & a bedroom.
Not sure if it’s the same in Glasgow, but in Edinburgh it’s very common for kitchens to be moved into what was originally storage space, a “scullery” area or a box room in order to make it seem like there’s more living/sleeping space for advertising purposes.
If I had to guess, the “lounge” was originally the kitchen. The square-ish niche off to the side is a dead giveaway as they were built as a place to put a bed so that you could sleep in the warm kitchen.
I have a suspicion the kitchen and bathroom were originally one room, though I couldn’t say for sure without looking at plans of other flats in the building.
Very similar in Glasgow. The kitchen in my sister's flat was, at one time, a large cupboard. And the kitchen would have been in what is now either the lounge or a bedroom.
She's about to move the kitchen back into one of the bedrooms so she has a a two-bed flat with a large dining/kitchen area and seperate lounge rather than three beds, a lounge, and a pokey (illegal because there's no ventilation of any kind) kitchen. It's a proper landlord special.
I lived in a Glasgow tenement flat like this! It was slightly bigger in some ways but dear god the kitchen and bathroom. Both were about half the size of the one here, with the kitchen being by the window and the bathroom being on the other end of it. They'd actually made a floating island in the bedroom because there was zero counter space in the wee kitchen.
The bathroom though, oh my god. Everybody who ever saw it said it was the worst thing they'd ever seen. Had tradespeople filming it to show their friends. The shower cubicle was raised up a bit at the far end and to get out you had to step over the toilet bowl. If you sat on the toilet, it had to be at an angle because there wasn't enough space for your legs. There was no hot tap in the sink because the basin had to overlap with the cistern and a pipe wouldn't be able to get up.
Sometimes I wonder how I managed to live three years in that shit hole
There's a lot of this going on. I know of one current development in Shawlands where the owner is currently converting a 2nd floor, two bedroom tenement flat into four separate self-contained units (i.e. each room is getting its own oven, shower etc.). Apparently, there's been no application to the council for an HMO and the neighbours are getting no joy from the factor.
I'm assuming the neighbours have reported to the relative authority if there has been no permission granted for the change of use. At least that would be required in England, along with the usual planning permission required for the changes.
They've made enquiries to the council, but the council have no record of any application. I'm thinking he's going ahead with the work, will get the tenants in pronto, then apply for retrospective permission and it's a fait accompli. Much harder to take action after the event.
Yep, most likely the plan. The locals need to ensure the council has passed the information onto the housing team (or the equivalent), and apply pressure on them. Failing that you might be surprised how much, some, local MPs are willing to help on these types of things.
I think someone's trying to do the same with a huge corner flat in Pollokshields, there was some local outrage about it but no idea what the outcome is.
Lots of tenements were built with what we're known as 'single ends' - a main living space with separate bathroom. The kitchen may have originally been a scullery/laundry area with the main range for cooking in the main living space.
These days some of these properties have been converted to studio properties.
I have a long narrow bathroom in my flat. You get used to it.
That is shocking. Cheap it may be but I’d struggle with that kitchen and bathroom even by the standards of what I’m used to I Glasgow flats. So claustrophobic.
It’s a bargain but I need to drop 40kg before I can use that kitchen. Also how do they open the fridge door? You wouldn’t be able to pull a full size tray out of the oven either!
In all seriousness, that's what people did 100 years ago.
You had big families living in a one-bedroom flat. The bedroom was for the kids - and you'd probably have about five of them. The parents would sleep in the living room / kitchen because they'd be up later at night. There would either have a bed in a nook like this, with a curtain that could close in front of it. Or a bed that was on a hinge that would pull down, and fold up into the wall.
Back then, tenements didn't have internal bathrooms. There was a single toilet on the ground floor at the bottom of the stairs. These days, they're gone and it's just a storage cupboard that the bottom floor flats fight over.
Tenements usually have tiny kitchens because what was originally the kitchen was split to become the kitchen and bathroom. This particular flat is the worst example I've ever seen. Most flats split it the other way - completely internal bathroom with no window, and a wider kitchen with a window.
Wow! Thank you for all of that, LexyNoise, Bourach1976 and TuftyClub. I guess I knew that as I had seen photos and films containing images of those, but I guess I didn’t make the connection.
Yes, you’re right! I had forgotten all about that - especially since the convo was focused originally on Glasgow. If you’re interested, here’s the link…
https://www.tenement.org/.
We always called it the recess. We had one in the kitchen and one in the living room. We knocked it together and made another small room (my tiny bedroom)
Yeah I have a old pic of my 2x great grampa in a tenement in Govan around 1920 and you can see the bed and curtains behind him in the livingroom but the curtains are open.
Unfortunately alot of tenements have been hideously disected. I have a 2 bedroom ground floor tenement, the bedrooms are both 4.5x4.5 metres , kitchen is 5x5 squared, long hall and a 6x5 living room.
When I 1st met my husband he lived in what the estate agent called a 1 bedroom?!?!?!? It was 1 room he could barely get a small double bed in, bathroom and a kitchen that a family of 5 would have room to spare. It had been a 3 bedroom in previous years. His next door neighbour had 2 smallish bedrooms, a living room and what I could only generously call a recese kitchen( they'd put a cooker connection and a pipe for the washing machine in a soddin cupboard)
The only thing that I have bother with is the 16ft ceilings (gets cold quick and slow to heat up) and people trying to make a quick ££ by most likely ruining what can and would have been lovely homes for people
35k for a flat? I don't care if I have to crawl through the fridge to get into the kitchen. As a Londoner this sounds like a dream. Just order Domino's
Rutherglen is south Lanarkshire but really it doesn’t even make sense that either Rutherglen or Cambuslang are South Lanarkshire - they’re the Southside in my mind. They’re not a kick in the arse from Mount Florida and Shawlands
It's in both. It depends what you're referring to.
Council boundaries have changed a lot in recent years and quite often don't match up with other aspects of geography and history.
Rutherglen is in the South Lanarkshire council area, but it's also part of Greater Glasgow metropolitan area and comes under the postal town of "GLASGOW".
That is, if you were to write a letter to someone in Rutherglen, the correct format would be
123 Main Street,
Rutherglen,
GLASGOW
G73 0AA
The same applies to places like Cambuslang, Blantyre, or go the opposite side of Glasgow and you have places like Clydebank or Barrhead. All of which are in different council areas (ie. South Lanarkshire, West Dunbartonshire, East Renfrewshire) but still considered part of the Greater Glasgow area and come under the postal town of GLASGOW.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherglen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Glasgow#Urban_Area
There are some even weirder cases such as East Kilbride which is in South Lanarkshire and has never been officially considered part of Greater Glasgow and yet still comes under the postal town of GLASGOW. Same applies to Cumbernauld and some of the other "New Towns".
East Kilbride; only Glasgow in 1/3 of aspects. Drive ten minutes to Rutherglen; Glasgow in 2/3 aspects. Drive another ten minutes this time heading *away from Glasgow* and you're in Castlemilk which is actually, officially Glasgow even though you're further away from the city centre than you were in Rutherglen.
Makes no sense.
Thank you for typing this out. It's annoyed me for years, but I've never seen it broken down like that. I always thought businesses were playing funny buggers saying they had a Glasgow branch (in Blantyre or East Kilbride), but this makes a lot of sense.. even if it disnae lol
It’s a studio. Honestly it’s tiny but if you were a single person it’s a good price and location. I know a few people who bought those kind of starter flats. They stuck in a pull down bed and got creative with storage
It was a single end/room. It would have been one “big”room originally with the bed in the alcove probably bottom right. The person putting these walls in was definitely smoking something.
Is this even mortgageable? Looks like the tiny flats in London that are sold to 'investors only', because they're legal to rent out but lenders won't touch them.
Bargain.
Might need a bit of reconfiguration but it’s a bargain at £35k
These flats used to be just one room also known as a single end. That’s why they’re compact.
It’s very common for Glasgow tenements to have very long narrow bathrooms and kitchens, however that kitchen is a bit extreme!
I'm not sure how they can open the cupboard doors
Good diet encouragement suppose?
That must be one tenament flat knocked into 2? My sister stayed in one in Govan and it was huge inside.
I'd say it was the back half of the building, looks like the owner is still renovating parts of it
Yeah I agree. It looks like an existing bathroom was split in two to fit the kitchen too. So you're left with one double bedroom and whatever you call the other two rooms - from an already small one bedroom tenement. I imagine the living room and kitchen will be sold off as another flat.
Maybe not. My flat had a toilet/ shower room which was about the same length and width as that kitchen. Having said that, I have no idea what that toilet shower room was hacked out of. You have to remember that when these flats were built, many didn’t have they’re own toilets or bathrooms.
Nah, tenements came in all shapes and sizes. In some cases what nowadays is a single appartement would have 8 families living there. And other entire tenement buildings used to be a single house for a rich family.
Why haven't they knocked the kitchen and bathroom through, making the front by the windows the kitchen and making rear a bathroom. Lots of wasted "corridor" space in the bathroom. Is there some rule that you can't alter internal walls? Personally, for 35k if I worked in Glasgow I'd consider buying this if the layout coukd be fhabgrd. You'd cover the equivalent rent in 3 years.
Exactly. Unless you were really desperate for the toilet to have a window, this layout makes no sense.
For this particular situation I'm not too bothered about the toilet/bathroom having a window for making the rest of the space much more pleasant. However my SO has really made me appreciate the importance of being able to ventilate the WC.
🤣🤣🤣
Fhabgrding the layout is never easy
But sometimes the layout needs to be Fhabgrded. If the Fhabgrd is done well then it will likely increase the value if they decide to sell it after, or at least make it a nicer place to live.
This guy fhabgrds
I stared at that floor plan for a while trying to make it make sense.
If the tenament is conservation, they might not be able to easily move the toilet to the other side and drill the holes needed for the pipes. There may not be a sewer connection on that side too. It's really common in Glasgow tenament to have those thin bathrooms
A lot of tenements can't have internal walls altered because nobody is sure which ones are supporting walls.
Fridge looks like it’s trying to escape.
I wanna know how they even got it in there!
Holy shit that kitchen
"Hall". You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
Compare it with this one, if you want to see what they're trying to get a way with: https://www.purplebricks.co.uk/property-for-sale/1-bedroom-flat-glasgow-1093934 The floor plans make it obvious what is missing: both a living room & a bedroom.
Yeah that makes more sense than that nightmare of claustrophobia
Not sure if it’s the same in Glasgow, but in Edinburgh it’s very common for kitchens to be moved into what was originally storage space, a “scullery” area or a box room in order to make it seem like there’s more living/sleeping space for advertising purposes. If I had to guess, the “lounge” was originally the kitchen. The square-ish niche off to the side is a dead giveaway as they were built as a place to put a bed so that you could sleep in the warm kitchen. I have a suspicion the kitchen and bathroom were originally one room, though I couldn’t say for sure without looking at plans of other flats in the building.
Very similar in Glasgow. The kitchen in my sister's flat was, at one time, a large cupboard. And the kitchen would have been in what is now either the lounge or a bedroom. She's about to move the kitchen back into one of the bedrooms so she has a a two-bed flat with a large dining/kitchen area and seperate lounge rather than three beds, a lounge, and a pokey (illegal because there's no ventilation of any kind) kitchen. It's a proper landlord special.
It’s just SCREAMS CLAUSTROPHOBIA!
https://youtu.be/S84BfVti41Y?si=_N7WSTz7GcSmHFjS Here’s one in same building think there has been some jiggery pokery done to the layout
That looks a lot better
I lived in a Glasgow tenement flat like this! It was slightly bigger in some ways but dear god the kitchen and bathroom. Both were about half the size of the one here, with the kitchen being by the window and the bathroom being on the other end of it. They'd actually made a floating island in the bedroom because there was zero counter space in the wee kitchen. The bathroom though, oh my god. Everybody who ever saw it said it was the worst thing they'd ever seen. Had tradespeople filming it to show their friends. The shower cubicle was raised up a bit at the far end and to get out you had to step over the toilet bowl. If you sat on the toilet, it had to be at an angle because there wasn't enough space for your legs. There was no hot tap in the sink because the basin had to overlap with the cistern and a pipe wouldn't be able to get up. Sometimes I wonder how I managed to live three years in that shit hole
how did they have enough space to throw darts
Yeah I thought they could’ve moved the dartboard into bathroom so when you’re using the toilet you have some entertainment :)
The kitchen is very slimming. Fat bastards can't get to the food.
I can’t get over the diagonal fridge Edit: frodge isn’t a word
I'm fairly confident this is illegal and if not it really must be.
There's a lot of this going on. I know of one current development in Shawlands where the owner is currently converting a 2nd floor, two bedroom tenement flat into four separate self-contained units (i.e. each room is getting its own oven, shower etc.). Apparently, there's been no application to the council for an HMO and the neighbours are getting no joy from the factor.
I'm assuming the neighbours have reported to the relative authority if there has been no permission granted for the change of use. At least that would be required in England, along with the usual planning permission required for the changes.
They've made enquiries to the council, but the council have no record of any application. I'm thinking he's going ahead with the work, will get the tenants in pronto, then apply for retrospective permission and it's a fait accompli. Much harder to take action after the event.
Yep, most likely the plan. The locals need to ensure the council has passed the information onto the housing team (or the equivalent), and apply pressure on them. Failing that you might be surprised how much, some, local MPs are willing to help on these types of things.
I think someone's trying to do the same with a huge corner flat in Pollokshields, there was some local outrage about it but no idea what the outcome is.
Lots of tenements were built with what we're known as 'single ends' - a main living space with separate bathroom. The kitchen may have originally been a scullery/laundry area with the main range for cooking in the main living space. These days some of these properties have been converted to studio properties. I have a long narrow bathroom in my flat. You get used to it.
Looks like a crudely converted single end.
Size: ask agent, I'm too embarrassed to type it
That is shocking. Cheap it may be but I’d struggle with that kitchen and bathroom even by the standards of what I’m used to I Glasgow flats. So claustrophobic.
I like the bit of wood holding the sink up. Classy.
It’s a bargain but I need to drop 40kg before I can use that kitchen. Also how do they open the fridge door? You wouldn’t be able to pull a full size tray out of the oven either!
Ummm…so is the bed supposed to go into that little nook off the lounge? Just looking at these photos gives me claustrophobia!
In all seriousness, that's what people did 100 years ago. You had big families living in a one-bedroom flat. The bedroom was for the kids - and you'd probably have about five of them. The parents would sleep in the living room / kitchen because they'd be up later at night. There would either have a bed in a nook like this, with a curtain that could close in front of it. Or a bed that was on a hinge that would pull down, and fold up into the wall. Back then, tenements didn't have internal bathrooms. There was a single toilet on the ground floor at the bottom of the stairs. These days, they're gone and it's just a storage cupboard that the bottom floor flats fight over. Tenements usually have tiny kitchens because what was originally the kitchen was split to become the kitchen and bathroom. This particular flat is the worst example I've ever seen. Most flats split it the other way - completely internal bathroom with no window, and a wider kitchen with a window.
Wow! Thank you for all of that, LexyNoise, Bourach1976 and TuftyClub. I guess I knew that as I had seen photos and films containing images of those, but I guess I didn’t make the connection.
There is a museum called the tenement house that has one I think.
Yes, you’re right! I had forgotten all about that - especially since the convo was focused originally on Glasgow. If you’re interested, here’s the link… https://www.tenement.org/.
I think they're called box beds.
We always called it the recess. We had one in the kitchen and one in the living room. We knocked it together and made another small room (my tiny bedroom)
I think these are still common in Manhattan - some designed to be that way, some buildings that have been bisected to make more money for landlords.
Yeah I have a old pic of my 2x great grampa in a tenement in Govan around 1920 and you can see the bed and curtains behind him in the livingroom but the curtains are open.
Plenty of Glaswegians wouldn't even fit in that kitchen.
I don't hate it. If I was on the bones of my arse I'd be really grateful for it, actually. Could be much, much worse.
It appears to be missing the bedroom 😂
Unfortunately alot of tenements have been hideously disected. I have a 2 bedroom ground floor tenement, the bedrooms are both 4.5x4.5 metres , kitchen is 5x5 squared, long hall and a 6x5 living room. When I 1st met my husband he lived in what the estate agent called a 1 bedroom?!?!?!? It was 1 room he could barely get a small double bed in, bathroom and a kitchen that a family of 5 would have room to spare. It had been a 3 bedroom in previous years. His next door neighbour had 2 smallish bedrooms, a living room and what I could only generously call a recese kitchen( they'd put a cooker connection and a pipe for the washing machine in a soddin cupboard) The only thing that I have bother with is the 16ft ceilings (gets cold quick and slow to heat up) and people trying to make a quick ££ by most likely ruining what can and would have been lovely homes for people
35k for a flat? I don't care if I have to crawl through the fridge to get into the kitchen. As a Londoner this sounds like a dream. Just order Domino's
Weird, I didn't really consider Ruggy to be in Glasgow. Learn something new everyday
Rutherglen is south Lanarkshire but really it doesn’t even make sense that either Rutherglen or Cambuslang are South Lanarkshire - they’re the Southside in my mind. They’re not a kick in the arse from Mount Florida and Shawlands
It's not, its South Lanarkshire. Estate agent must think Glasgow sounds more appealing, lol.
It's in both. It depends what you're referring to. Council boundaries have changed a lot in recent years and quite often don't match up with other aspects of geography and history. Rutherglen is in the South Lanarkshire council area, but it's also part of Greater Glasgow metropolitan area and comes under the postal town of "GLASGOW". That is, if you were to write a letter to someone in Rutherglen, the correct format would be 123 Main Street, Rutherglen, GLASGOW G73 0AA The same applies to places like Cambuslang, Blantyre, or go the opposite side of Glasgow and you have places like Clydebank or Barrhead. All of which are in different council areas (ie. South Lanarkshire, West Dunbartonshire, East Renfrewshire) but still considered part of the Greater Glasgow area and come under the postal town of GLASGOW. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherglen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Glasgow#Urban_Area There are some even weirder cases such as East Kilbride which is in South Lanarkshire and has never been officially considered part of Greater Glasgow and yet still comes under the postal town of GLASGOW. Same applies to Cumbernauld and some of the other "New Towns". East Kilbride; only Glasgow in 1/3 of aspects. Drive ten minutes to Rutherglen; Glasgow in 2/3 aspects. Drive another ten minutes this time heading *away from Glasgow* and you're in Castlemilk which is actually, officially Glasgow even though you're further away from the city centre than you were in Rutherglen. Makes no sense.
Thank you for typing this out. It's annoyed me for years, but I've never seen it broken down like that. I always thought businesses were playing funny buggers saying they had a Glasgow branch (in Blantyre or East Kilbride), but this makes a lot of sense.. even if it disnae lol
If you're from Glasgow, you'll shout out "that's nae Glasgae!" If you're a teuchter you'll be like "fuck sake mun it's near enaff george square!"
Nobody from Glasgow has ever called it ‘Glasgae’ lol
Apologies from a teuchter, it's Glesga right?
It’s that way round, yes (I am also a teuchter, just been living in Glasgow for most of my adult life haha)
Am I missing something or is there no bedroom?
It’s a studio. Honestly it’s tiny but if you were a single person it’s a good price and location. I know a few people who bought those kind of starter flats. They stuck in a pull down bed and got creative with storage
Or shower.
Found the shower, it's built in. But no bath in the "bathroom". Sink is held up with a nice wooden leg.
No bedroom at all.
It was a single end/room. It would have been one “big”room originally with the bed in the alcove probably bottom right. The person putting these walls in was definitely smoking something.
Surely that kitchen wall can't be a bearing wall? Keep you thin if you left it there.
Erm. Where does the bed go?
Daybed? Not sure unless you want to sleep standing up
You know it's tight when your fridge has to be on an angle.
For 35,000 I’d still happily make this work.
I stayed in one of these in an airbnb
The listing is gone
That’s what I CALL a galley kitchen ffs.
I presume the vocals in the video are the sounds of the previous tenant continually getting their testicles trapped in the dishwasher door.
Fucking hell. I thought my kitchen was bad because my husband and I have to slide past each other but now I see we live in a fucking palace lol
Is this even mortgageable? Looks like the tiny flats in London that are sold to 'investors only', because they're legal to rent out but lenders won't touch them.
Where do you actually sleep? Or us Glasgow The city that never sleeps?
Where is the bedroom?
>Glasgow >Rutherglen Pick one
Bargain. Might need a bit of reconfiguration but it’s a bargain at £35k These flats used to be just one room also known as a single end. That’s why they’re compact.
That’s about 30K overpriced