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P_Sully

NWA really fucked themselves with that cocaine spot huh?


skippy2001

CW really wanted Bill Pumpkins wedding but when they hear they could be in Booker T's Fav Five they had do whatever they could to get out of the NWA deal.


Drkarcher22

Thanks for the analysis Danhausen


Obi-wan_Jabroni

Very nice, very concise


HolyRomanEmperor

‘IM BILLY PUMPKINS MAN! ANY QUESTIONS??’


Rallyhawk

Yes, several!


[deleted]

OHYEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH


NotYujiroTakahashi

SHUCKY DUCKY QUACK QUACK


HitmanClark

This deal is looking … GOODT!


Abyssalstar

![gif](giphy|cADyBvPDM3tpeLD3y3|downsized)


MikeMakesRight82

imagine wanting that wedding so bad you'd pay for a whole other show


namdekan

Should've just had everybody stuffing nuggets in their mouths very aggressively instead.


dasfuzzy

Go all Big E on those nugs. ![gif](giphy|3xkNUy3Vh8QbPmJZjK|downsized)


NotClayMerritt

tbf I think they would have done both because the CW really wants to get in the sports game but yeah they shot themselves in the foot for sure.


Kim-Jong_Bundy

0% chance WWE would stand to be on the same network as another wrestling brand that they have absolutely no control over.


tylerjehenna

Yeah, they would have pulled something. But hey, if it did, the mlw lawsuit is still ongoing.....


betterplanwithchan

I’m out of the loop here


jpaxlux

While in negotiations with CW, the NWA decided to air an angle with James Mitchell snorting cocaine


Subject_Proposal3578

Shut up no way they did something that dumb LMFAO.


ianisms10

[Oh yes they did](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/T2vb3q4Rds)


Subject_Proposal3578

I don't watch the NWA but what was even the point? I don't see what this does character wise for the group other than their junkies. Honestly though I'm more offended by that guy on commentary with the gold jacket.


Sempais_nutrients

Corgan apparently pushed for this spot. His explanation was the CW said they Only wanted the nwa TV show and wasn't interested in the PPV angles. Very shortsighted.


Subject_Proposal3578

But even the angle is just stupid and sad looking. When I saw this I was thinking Mitchell in some crazy looking hell pit laying out some amazing promo and then did a line of coke and cackling all evil and giving sinister tones. Not a bunch of sad looking individuals badly doing cocaine lol


NoobsNKnocks

Corgan didn’t expect anything from his PPVs to make their way to Twitter, I guess.


Sempais_nutrients

"no one watches this shit anyway" - will gourd


elguitarro

It's hilarious to watch bc it's completely unnecessary. Just random shock bs but it's so out of nowhere that it's hilariously bad


LordBlackConvoy

They gave the belt to Tyrus for almost a year. You shouldn't be surprised.


WYGD_Brother1987

with a goddamn spoon, who the fuck does that??? You cook with a spoon but dont rip a line or bump with one.


UncreativeTeam

>with a goddamn spoon, who the fuck does that??? Do you even cocaine, bro? McDonald's very famously had to [change their coffee stirrer design](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/stirring-response/) in the 70s because too many people were using them for cocaine.


Euphorium

I love how these were so widespread that McSpoon became synonymous with coke. I need to ask my dad about this later.


Subject_Proposal3578

Yeah Mitchell knows better. He knows how to do a real line.


WYGD_Brother1987

shit, if I had James mitchell money, id try that to, just load er up and go to town


Illuminati_Shill_AMA

Not a full sized spoon but tiny little coke spoons for taking bumps definitely exist. People even wear them on chains.


RaggedyGlitch

Corgan recently said NWA had an agreement to air on the CW, but nothing was officially announced. Then, NWA did a bit on their Halloween PPV where James Mitchell and some goons did cocaine in a VIP suite. Supposedly, CW was not happy about it.


ACW1129

James Mitchell... wasn't he Mortis's manager in WCW?


Jigsaw8200

Yes. He was also The Sinister Minister in ECW, managing Mikey Whipwreak and Tajiri.


BreathRedemption

And don't forget, he managed Abyss in TNA


TTOF_JB

And Rellik (that's Killer spelled backwards) in TNA as well.


monty055

Also, Rellik's...that's killer spelled backwards


ClintD89

He's gonna eat your brain *slurping noises*


Arcade_Kangaroo

James Vandenberg, Collector of rare artifacts


Specialist-Rope-9760

To be fair as stupid as it is if they were seriously considering WWE it could just be used as a get out


wonderloss

Recent NWA PPV had a skit with a guy snorting cocaine. CW execs were not amused. Billy Corgan is a fucking moron.


ACW1129

With the WHAT spot???


UsidoreTheLightBlue

Father James Mitchell snorted "Cocaine" on the halloween ppv.


QlubSoda

Yikes


BeauBWan

Like... a damn serving spoon worth. Those boys go hard. Haha


lakshya10soin

What did they do?


Bob8644

WWE has the chance to do the funniest fuckin thing ever


HerFriendRed

Excuse me, what? Nevermind someone explained it


IcyPyroman1

Did not expect CW, but since Smackdown is moving at least I’ll be able to see a wrestling show without needing cable


bulldozer_rob

It’s a damn good one too


GotenRocko

I think USA is in more homes than cw though. ETA: looking it up they are supposedly in 100% of homes which I find surprising because their ratings are much lower than many cable stations.


HitmanClark

As a longtime follower of the Arrowverse and its ratings journey, one issue is that while CW is technically available in most homes, it’s often a low-frequency station. For instance, in Dothan AL, our CW feed always had a grainy look to it and so if I wanted to watch Arrow or Flash in HD I had to wait for it to go up on the app. And also CW has no first-run sports content so it has less eyes on it than the big boys (CBS, Fox, NBC, ABC). But it probably still outpaces USA, if only slightly.


bsa554

The CW inched into college football this year with ACC games and will be doing basketball as well...this is clearly the CW's new angle to do a lot of sports. And it's honestly a good idea! The sports media rights bubble is starting to burst a bit and the CW might be able to snap up lots of rights for decent prices.


Unique-Alfalfa7335

It also made a deal with NASCAR to exclusively broadcast the Xfinity Series starting in 2025. It’s a full blown pivot into sports


bsa554

Wow I didn't know about NASCAR. That's big. This really is a full sports pivot.


alynch345

I was shocked recently when I saw that my CW station doesn't even broadcast in HD. Didn't think that was a thing anymore.


GotenRocko

in my area they are in HD, but doesn't look the best because its a subchannel of the fox hd affiliate, so that restricts the bandwidth both channels can use.


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The CW actually has live sports beyond LIV Golf... they currently have the ACC package of football and basketball games that used to air on the Bally Sports regionals until this past season. Some individual CW affiliates (mainly in the bigger cities) also air some local live sports as well.


GotenRocko

Here its a subchannel with fox which makes the fox feed and CW feed look bad because they are cramming two HD feeds onto the same channel. I usually watch the other fox affiliate from another city since it doesn't have another hd subchannel so looks much better.


PreppyAndrew

Atleast from my experience, CW airs on the 2nd digital channel (ala 12.2) of the local Fox network. So if you have Bunny Ears, you in theory have access to it.


ProfessorCummunist

World Wrestling Entertainment is on the verge of announcing a new television home for WWE NXT, PWInsider.com can confirm. Multiple sources in the broadcast industry have confirmed that the CW Network and WWE have been in deep discussions for weeks about NXT shifting from its current basic cable home on the USA Network to a traditional broadcast television home, airing live weekly on the CW Network when the brand's current media rights deal ends in September 2024 The belief among some we have spoken with is the deal is VERY close to being completed with the deal expected to be around five years in length. Once signed, it would easily be the biggest increase for WWE NXT media rights fees ever, PWInsider.com is told. WWE has been hard at work at raising the prestige of WWE NXT so that the brand would be seen as something greater than just a developmental series for the company, with Becky Lynch, John Cena, The Undertaker, Paul Heyman, Dominik Mysterio and Rhea Ripley, among others, making appearances in recent months. The CW Network has been focusing more on sports programming since Nexstar Media Group purchased controlling interest in CW back in October 2022. The Network, best known in recent years for DC Superhero and teen-focused dramas. has instead brought Inside the NFL to CW, acquired the rights to LIV Golf events and in 2025, will be the home to the NASCAR Xfinity Series. WWE programming would fit right into that current strategy. WWE parent company TKO Holdings has an earnings call set for later today at 5 PM Eastern, so it should be interesting to see whether the NXT rights fees are brought up. That seems to be the perfect place to officially unveil a new partnership.


Idkboutdat2

Referencing Cena and Taker being there as why it’s something “greater than a developmental brand” is absolutely hilarious.


LooseLord

I still find Dom being in the same sentence as them even crazier


Cynicayke

I agree, Dom has far surpassed them.


KUZGUN27

They love calling that balding fuck the greatest of all time but has he even won the NXT North American title


Jreynold

It's now a development brand you can juice up with stunt additions when you need to


UsidoreTheLightBlue

This is a great place for NXT because honestly the bar is very very low for CW shows. This won't be like USA where its a second tier wrestling show, its almost assuredly going to be the highest rated show on the channel, unless they get another sport (thats not LIV golf). As far as I can tell (ratings being scattered as they are now) the highest rated thing on CW in the last week was "The Chosen" season 3 premier at 547k viewers. Dynamite time shifted after NBA playoff games was pulling that. NXT if anything should see a bump over what they're pulling now moving from cable to OTA tv. This should be massive for them, the CW should put their full weight behind this.


rbhindepmo

I’m sorta skeptical about the raw numbers of viewers for NXT on CW. But if they’re not gonna cancel the show quickly, that’ll be some security at least. Getting a good time slot would at least make it better than the previous WWE shows on Ion or WGN America which quickly migrated to the Network. Some of the best stuff NXT did was exclusive to the WWE Network, so they could make lemonade out of their developmental show not being broadcast so prominently.


aegonthewwolf

WWE: We promise we won’t do coke on TV. CW: ![gif](giphy|ztfrnThtB0s9jIp2ND)


CelinedionWaiters

"The name on the contract does say N.... "


whogivesahootanyway

NO HOGAN, NO!


jabari1011

![gif](giphy|129AAiBozCNCPm)


Euphorium

![gif](giphy|LEtVuX6pmpwcw)


rbarton812

WWE: We won't do Coke; we're a Pepsi company.


buddha-ish

CM PUNK CONFIRMED


StannisClaypool

He's now CW Punk


LordBlackConvoy

WWE: We don't do coke. We do something else on Tuesday. *camera pans to Von Wagner*


JonnyTN

I wonder how they'll do with Bron just trying to murder people with ring stairs? lol


chuck21481

It’s interesting how all 3 WWE brands could have deals on 3 separate networks.


krayonic

It’s the new reality of broadcast TV as the strike continues and ratings continue to fall. Live programming is essentially the only big needle mover left, so it’s smart business for both TKO and the networks to lock in some long term deals.


XAMdG

Also, it's scripted programming with no breaks and no risk of strikes.


Euphorium

Thank you Hulk Hogan


DTFlash

Is Raw moving off USA? I have only seen people saying it might move nights.


DecentTop1084

No one has picked up Raw yet. The seemingly confirmed rumor is USA basically spent their budget grabbing SD so is shopping Raw and NXT


Ledg93k

If RAW is not on the USA network, is there a chance it goes back to 2 hours? As far as I know, it was the USA who wanted the 3 hours an nobody will say no to more money.


UsidoreTheLightBlue

Theres always a chance, but I'd be shocked at this point if it does. Money talks and being able to sell a 3 hour show is going to bring in more than a 2 hour show unless they end up on a channel like fox that doesn't program the 10pm hour....although I think only Fox and CW don't program the 10 pm hour.


Amzy0121

Does that mean smackdown would be 3 hours 🤔😪?


ClockOfTheLongNow

It's more interesting to me that NXT, which is functionally third on the WWE tier of weekly programming, is likely to be the *only* one of the three to be on broadcast network television.


UsidoreTheLightBlue

It is legitimately going to be interesting to see what it does to NXT ratings. There could be a world where Raw/Smackdown/NXT all pull very similar ratings because of the OTA bump.


BeefInGR

Reminds me of Raw on USA, Smackdown on UPN and Heat on MTV.


AThrowawayAccount100

HBK decided to borrow Ol Reliable from Hunter to finish off the NWA


Saitsu

The fanny pack always goes over.


RMT2316

https://preview.redd.it/kf3f4lnumzyb1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a52ec07a773ed7d6c4f259c9f77228c5e288a25 Billy Corgan after that cocaine spot:


MarvG05

Vince has done a lot of stupid shit but even I don't think he would've done that


niners94

NWA? Guess not huh


skippy2001

"Im sorry Billy Pumpkins, I love Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" -HBK


Rage4Order418

Shawn’s more of a Gish kinda guy. The psychedelic stuff. He liked psychedelics.


Cynicayke

But losing your smile feels like a Siamese Dream vibe.


LarryLegend1836

I know The Show Stopper liked pills, but was he also into psychedelics? I just can't imagine Mr. Wrestlemania doing tabs or eating shrooms.


HitmanClark

“I can see through metal, boys.”


rbarton812

Does that mean there will be a musical episode?


QUEST50012

Paramount + CW = your chances drastically go up!


heartbreakhill

What if you add Kurt Angle to the mix?


SombraAQT

Unironically would love this


AThrowawayAccount100

Only if Undertaker comes out and sings like Lee Marvin in Paint Your Wagon


Midnight_Oil_

God please if only


TheManOfMastery

Honestly 2.0 couldve gotten away with it, so the chances are never truly zero


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nWo1997

To anyone unaware, the CW used to be UPN, which carried Smackdown until the change ( I think Smackdown stayed on CW until moving to SyFy)


mrchiz

Huh, interesting. In my area, UPN became MyNetwork TV and CW was our local WB channel. Had no idea other areas were different.


TrotskyAB

UPN and the WB merged to create the CW. (CW stands for CBS, which owned UPN at the time, and Warners, as in Warner Bros/WB.) In markets with affiliates for both UPN and the WB, one of them generally became the CW, while the one that was left out often became MyNetwork TV.


destroyman1337

UPN merged with WB to become The CW. MyNetwork was it's own thing. Smackdown went UPN > CW > MyNetwork > Syfy > USA > Fox EDIT: Read into it some more. Apparently Fox owned some UPN and WB local stations which were blocked from affiliating with CW became MyNetwork so yeah you were right that in some markets UPN did become MyNetwork.


Abyssalstar

Back in the days when The Rock guested-starred on Star Trek Voyager.


h-town_info

![gif](giphy|1xkbs3iyo4b7Mq7DKC|downsized) HBK wins


Minimania18

If HBK couldn't beat Billy Corgan then we would have a problem lol


Jamieb1994

![gif](giphy|3o6EQa8FZfmS6nTd5u|downsized)


InternationalFailure

[Shawn Michaels booking NXT:](https://media.tenor.com/1ueg6GKgCmsAAAAC/he-dont-miss-spongebob.gif)


rockstarspood

https://preview.redd.it/nznhavn720zb1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48f7ca24258b1b4668e34e2b33a0752ad1b6ad6a Men Against Missing


PhaseSixer

Wait what about NWA?


Krelleth

They blew their chance.


PhaseSixer

How? Its been what? A week since the anouncment? EDIT: a Cocain spot? FFS ![gif](giphy|3xz2BLBOt13X9AgjEA)


JCStensland

Father James Mitchell literally did a line of nose candy at NWA Samhain on camera.


TruffonisSloppySteak

Well doing a (fake) cocaine spot the other day certainly didn’t help them lmao.


Sempais_nutrients

It wasn't even an important spot, just some dudes and some hookers acting tweaked out snorting lines while commentary talked about how much fun it looked.


Sam_Squantch_Boys

Poorly thought out spot on their PPV of people doing "cocaine."


rockstarspood

![gif](giphy|l0HluN8PywCl6Hckg)


Gamesgtd

I respect the pun game


Competitive-Object-4

https://preview.redd.it/z08ksjsipzyb1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb20e5fbff252cda5ee6972a9ae8197097163ce0 They failed at the cocaine comeback tour


Toxicity246

They forgot about Dre.


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Chad_D_722

Time to start fantasy booking who gets attacked by a bear (only to never be referenced again) and who gets sent back in time to the 50's.


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[deleted]

Having them as a package probably made more sense for the first NXT TV deal.


JoeMcKim

Yeah, before NXT was on USA they only had aired on WWE Network and Hulu. If they never were able to package NXT with Raw to get it onto USA they wouldn't be in a position to putting it on network TV like The CW now.


DeminoTheDragon

After making *Fucking Tyrus* the champion for 9 months I feel like this has got to be the karma finally kicking in for that


Pyritedust

It hasn't gone enough the other way to make up for Tyrus. I don't know what could happened to weigh the universal scale to balance for that, but this is not enough. I watched multiple of Tyrus's matches during his reign. I didn't pay a cent to watch them, and I feel like I'm owed something for it. I think everyone who saw it is. It's like Batman Forever with Clooney giving out a 20 or even more at times if you tell him you went to see it. Billy Corgan should sign over the rights to his hits to the people who watched those matches for forcing Tyrus onto the world as a bloody champion.


portnoyskvetch

WWE is keeping at least one of its brands on network TV for at least the next 5 years. That's pretty cool. I wonder what this means for WOW and the NWA? (I can't believe I just wrote that sentence.)


Sam_Squantch_Boys

I would guess that not much will change for WOW. In my area, it airs Sunday afternoons, and regularly gets moved to late night for things like golf. If NXT stays on Tuesday nights, that's far enough apart that they're probably not going to clash. WOW probably draws a different demographic as well; it's certainly aimed at a different demographic from a product perspective. As for the NWA, I wouldn't be surprised if they're relegated to the app and dropped ASAP. Corgan really fumbled the bag pretty good there. Though I forget the specifics of the deal like how long it was for, so maybe they can come back from that. Alternatively, the CW supports all three shows to pull different demos and market themselves as a wrestling hub?


WeaselWeaz

WWE generally requires exclusivity on the station, so by the time the deal kicks on NWA and WOW will be off CW and affiliates, presumably.


No-You-8701

Fox Sinclair affiliates were still airing ROH well into the SmackDown era.


WeaselWeaz

True, WOW may stick around then. However Sinclair also had way more power to say no.


DCAbloob

WOW will probably be off Nexstar-owned CW affiliates but Nexstar can't stop CW affiliates it doesn't own from still airing WOW.


tehfro

With the MLW lawsuit going on I doubt WWE would go beyond NXT/WWE being "exclusive" on the CW network programming block itself.


Takachulo

With the MLW lawsuit still going on I could see WWE allowing WOW to stay.


howitzer819

Can’t wait for Lyra defending her title against Roxanne Perez inside…. DAWSON’S CREEK!!


Githyanky

Chase-U/Riverdale crossover, please.


mrdeepay

Don't give Micheals any ideas.


Githyanky

Listen, I just want an angle where they find out Thea actually has serial killer genes, and someone plants a bomb in the classroom that sends Jacy, Chase and Duke to the Performance Venter. Is that too much to ask?


alynch345

I know I should be upset about WWE seemingly blowing up a smaller promotion's spot, but them doing it to the Smashing Pumpkins guy is just too damn funny to get worked up about.


love_is_an_action

Corgan earns his failures.


thecolbster94

Dude is fuck around and find out personified


Toxicity246

If this happens, every news article about NXT on CW should end with the meme of sad Billy on the Disney ride.


JoeMcKim

I give Corgan credit for at least making the NWA a place where talent can get work and a paycheck even if its clearly the #4 US promotion.


TheKevinShow

I wouldn’t even call it #4.


jqncg

WWE AEW Impact New Japan whenever they go to the US GCW MLW And I guess we could start counting NWA from here on, if there isn't another big indie promotion besides GCW that draws more.


DCAbloob

Nice knowing you, Billy.


TheCharliQuinn

Billy Corgan be smashing more than pumpkins


zoom518

Well, so much for the NWA on the CW. And the way the CW is run with its new owners they’ll take anything.


InternationalFailure

Its NWAover, Corg bros.


thetruealvaclansman

Cocaine is a hell of a drug


Pokechamp_1

NXT coming back big like this is awesome. Keep cooking HBK keep cooking


incredibleamadeuscho

[Maryse welcomes WWE to the CW Network](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51UzhQTbmaY)


RMT2316

You know it’s wild, but HBK’s NXT will totally fit perfect on the CW


bdfull3r

That is really good news. Hell the CW is over the air in most areas. Should be a nice boost to ratings for NXT. Wonder what this means for the rumors deal NWA was working with the CW


BreathRedemption

> Wonder what this means for the rumors deal NWA was working with the CW I think they were true but the cocaine spot fucked it all up IMO lmao


starsandbribes

Or someone looked at 5 minutes of their production values and thought “this isn’t going to get more than 40,000 viewers”.


JoeMcKim

And the talent roster of NWA isn't that great compared to NXT. I mean there is a few decent hands in NWA but its mostly former WWE lower card castoffs instead of budding future stars of WWE that they have in NXT.


Zaomania

USA is a higher rated network than CW.


alynch345

It's not at all a given that being on the CW will provide a ratings boost in comparison to USA. In the most recent TV season, most of their first-run programming was somewhere in the 400K-600K range. But it also means that NXT will almost certainly be their most popular show if it just maintains its USA numbers.


BLRNerd

There's a ton of sports moving there, ACC, NASCAR's Xfinity Series, No One Wants to air LIV stuff though


Ripclawe

The rebranding of NXT is a case study of good business when this deal is signed


FrankieJoePino

You mean the rebrand of the rebrand of NXT


El_Gran_Redditor

NXT did the New Coke to Coke Classic gambit. NWA just did coke.


dishwatcher

I hope this doesn't affect how it will be streamed. NXT going direct on Peacock the next day with no ads has been the primary reason I've been watching it. It's one of the easiest wrestling shows to stream close to air without having cable.


CarlTheCrab

Breaking News: Billy Corgan is an absolute moron


fatmike63

Bad day for Billy Corgan, Sinister Mitchell, and cocaine


PitchBlackFrenzy

Damn CW is serious about getting into sports. First NXS and now NXT crazy.


[deleted]

NWA is gonna have to change their name to “Not Widely Available”


NotYujiroTakahashi

Billy Pumpkins: It should’ve been me not him. It’s not fair


Powerful_War_7261

Billy Pumpkins seething RN


The_Notorious_Donut

RAW on NBC. Do it you cowards


dissolve_inthisrealm

Introducing their new company slogan: "WWE. Is Pepsi okay?" .....a wild, wide eyed Cm Punk emerges.


HermanBonJovi

Aw no more SVU post show.


truecolors5

The NWA cocaine spot is one of the biggest bag fumblings in wrestling history


rbarton812

> The CW covers just over 98 percent of television homes in the United States, with network affiliate over-the-air coverage in all of the top 100 Nielsen-ranked markets.[1] Taken from this [Wiki entry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_CW_affiliates_\(table\)#:~:text=The%20CW%20covers%20just%20over,top%20100%20Nielsen-ranked%20markets.)


SenorDuck96

Shawn Michaels has the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever! When's the last time someone in WWE used a powder to blind an opponent?


UnitedLink4545

Rip NWA.


ACW1129

Wow, that's HUGE for NXT.


MClolo10

Honestly I don't know what NWA was expecting, The CW is network. They have much more strict rules.


the_jac

This makes me happy


evanweb546

Billy Pumpkins fucking the NWA to death is so depressing-


TBBklynite

MJF wasn't kidding when he said the bidding war of 2024 would be hot.


Marsman2100

What a historic fumble by Billy Corgan. This is pretty sweet for NXT. HBK really is the Booker of the Year.


DTFlash

With SmackDown moving back to cable, NXT might actually become the most watched wrestling show if they get a good time slot. Which is kind of funny.


FullToragatsu

After being away from the channel for over 14 years, it’s going to be pretty cool to see WWE content back on The CW.


JD021993

Guess this really fucks Billy Corgan and the NWA. As is tradition with the fed. Good.