> Vince McMahon has filed a motion to compel arbitration in the Grant v. WWE et all case.
> As expected, McMahon's defense is that the NDA he and Janel Grant agreed to contains an arbitration clause and therefore this dispute should go to private arbitration.
> McMahon says Grant's "outrageous claims of sexual abuse and coercion are pure fiction—plainly intended to garner publicity—and are flatly contradicted by Plaintiff’s own contemporaneous statements."
> He says he and Grant "engaged in a consensual relationship during which Defendant never coerced Plaintiff into doing anything and never mistreated her in any way."
Well he’s trying to argue that nothing illegal happened and the relationship was consensual. Therefor she violated the NDA and should face consequences for that.
I genuinely wonder how disturbed Vince is. Like do you think he genuinely believes he didn’t coerce her and she was down for this bc he just believes women (all or at bare minimum some) are just objects and are cool with it. Or does he know he was coercing her and that’s what he enjoyed? I’m not entirely sure which mindset is worse, but I wonder what he really thinks happened.
There's something important that I don't think gets brought up enough:
We know of at least two instances of Vince sexually assaulting a woman he had just met who was working at a spa or related business. There are almost surely a lot more. The NDAs we know about all involve women who worked for him, but when you consider what we know about those stories and then throw in that he's presumably groped a LOT of spa workers or worse, it sure seems like he thinks he's owed sex by any woman he meets.
Whether he's outright crossed the line to sociopathy, who knows? That's above most of our pay grades.
WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY, I FEEL IS EVIL, but it is me trying to understand a (deluded) mind; I feel like, if anything, he doesn't understand 'no,' and to him, that is just either (the woman's) process to get to a 'yes' as she wants him/wants to agree, all along, but is playing hard to get/not being honest with herself, or that he knows better and it is like making a child go to bed at night.
It's coercion. And he's a bastard. But I genuinely don't know if he hasn't gaslit himself in some of this. Still, throw the book at the bastard. He certainly has tried to cover things up and knows what he has done is wrong.
Yeah, I'm aware of that, so messed up! It's why I wonder his mental competency. The fact that he hides and argues and denies everything shows he is not fully, or even in majority, incompetent. He knows what he is doing is wrong, clearly, but same notion, I don't think he understands WHY it is wrong, or if part of him does, he has, again, gaslit himself. 'It's not coercion, it's not assault, she said yes after I put her in a financial or emotional or life style vice of being stuck to my every whim! It's a process, it's a game, it's a business deal.' But even if that is wrong, and he understands why it is wrong, it is clear he does not care about it being wrong.
Please note, this is me discussing semantics, NOT me defending him. I think he knows it was wrong, knows he was exerting power, but I genuinely do not think that egotistical, broken, damaged man has any genuine idea about the damage he has caused.
A good comp for Vince is Dupont. This is a DEEPLY deranged person who then became a billionaire. Those two things combined are a serious recipe for an extremely dangerous person.
Or maybe he denies everything and argues because if he admits it he's subjecting himself to criminal liability.
Or he sees it as an agreement. The same way wrestlers go out and injure their bodies on his television shows - they consent to the harm for money. If they're not happy doing it, they can leave. With what's happening with the women, he probably doesn't even see it as harmful, they've decided to do something in exchange for money, if they don't like it they can leave.
It is coercion, but at the end of the day, aren't all jobs coercive? Would you work if you didn't need to to pay your bills? He could easily see it in the same way.
What still bothers me about that is how he calmly and coldly stated he feels it's unfortunate his stepdad died before he could kill him as he would have enjoyed it.
I'm pretty sure it's as simple as he's gone almost his entire life without anyone telling him no. The difference between him and Trump is he's actually rich and before the mental decline he was smart. You spend your entire life surrounded by people telling you yes and wrestlers who do crazy things. You need to be a little crazy yourself. And you get Vinny Mac. A guy who wants an incest angle, wrestled his own daughter in a hardcore match, and was seen as a father figure by a former UFC champion. What he did is terrible and he deserves whatever he gets. But this is not surprising to me.
He’s very similar to Trump. It’s a personality disorder. Lying is so natural to them it becomes the truth. They don’t acknowledge the reality as whatever they see is everything
Yeah I have similar thoughts about trump wondering to what degree he believes the bullshit he spews. Is he just a 100% grifting psycho or is he at some level a crazy psycho who believes his own lies. Does he believe he’s lying to gain advantage or does he really think he is above the laws set for everyone else? Either way he’s despicable, but it’s just curiosity.
He knows exactly what he did and that it was wrong, he's just lying now hoping to get away with it. He obviously knows he coerced her. Vince McMahon is many things but dumb isn't one of them.
I dunno, this probably wouldn't have come out if he kept to the terms of his contract with Grant. Also if he just sat it out for awhile, rather than muscle his way back in to "sell the company" (aka put himself back in power) he wouldn't have lost actual control of the company at all. Dude is fucking stupid.
From provable in court down to public opinion...
I think Vince could slide in an actual civil case.
I don't think he will ever recover in the public opinion arena unless you're one of the chudds who already forgive/don't care what he did
But there's almost no way Grant's legal tream is gonna put this in front of an actual trial.
That would be disastrous for Grant.
I don't think she accepts arbitration right away. But everyone involved from Grant, to Vince, to TKO wants this thing to go to settlement yesterday.
Vince filing for arbitration shows he at least isn't off his rocker and is gonna try to fight this in public
The behind the bastards podcast episodes about him paint a pretty good picture... Sadly they were from before the more recent things happening... That could have been another 2 episodes...
I'm pretty sure that most people in these situations get off on having power over someone else and forcing them to do stuff that they know they don't really want to. They are almost always wealthy and powerful people who would have absolutely no difficulty finding willing women, but instead intentionally choose to act in a coercive and abusive fashion. And with Vince McMahon it is not just Grant: he has a track record of a number of other NDAs/settlements and who knows how many more that simply never came to light.
From an evolutionary perspective a lot of really bad traits actually have been selected for in human beings. Consider how [many offspring Ghengis Khan left,](https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/1-in-200-men-direct-descendants-of-genghis-khan) and it's pretty unlikely that was the result of entirely willing encounters. By no means are human beings all bad, which is why we now consider this stuff unacceptable, but one should not underestimate how f'ed up we are capable of being.
True, it’s not a leap to say he knows he was abusing her, it’s more curiosity of which type of psycho he is I guess. We won’t ever know bc he won’t come out and admit it either way. I just wonder if he believes his lies or not, and like I said I don’t know if either answer is “better” bc thinking he did nothing wrong is a terrifying prospect.
It's important in court cases to not take sides. I don't believe everything in Grant's complaint is the absolute truth. I don't believe everything in Vince's defense is the absolute truth. All of it is positioning events in the most favorable fashion to win the case. As more information comes to light then you have to challenge what was previously claimed to be true but in a court of law the truth is not what is being determined.
I guess the key difference (at least at this point) is that Grant has produced a fair amount of documentation proving some of her key claims. Vince has produced almost none. The one piece he *did* provide was a "love letter," which Grant's team responded to with a series of texts that clearly showed Vince coerced her into writing it.
The thing people have suggested is that some of the story leaked (either from her or via someone else), which is how WSJ got it. Which was the point where he decided to stop paying because in his mind she'd already breached the NDA.
Though the problem there is that a) it might not have come from her in the first place, and b) he was apparently too stupid to realize just how much ammunition she had to make things much, much worse once he gave her the excuse to ignore the NDA entirely. Plus like other people have repeatedly pointed out, an NDA can't legally protect you from exposure of illegal activities anyway.
Of course she does, but that's not really a negative in her case. I've read the original document including the texts and if I was her the very least I'd want was something out of him. Whether that's so Vince hurts or just so I could get something so all the psychological damage doesn't seem pointless, I can't say.
But it's such a stupid counter argument. What other recourse does she have? Police will be looking at it closely but it's a lot harder to win a criminal case rather than a civil case. One doesn't stop the other either - if he does end up having a criminal case she can still persue this avenue.
And ultimately, taking all other morals out of it - it was Vince who broke their NDA, so she has every right to take him to the cleaners.
“Contemporaneous” is such a fucking Vince word.
From what I understand that NDA was unenforceable and not worth the paper it was written on, so hopefully this motion achieves nothing.
Arbitration is the way wealthy and powerful screw people by removing the one playing field where they are perceived to be equal, court of peers.
Arbitration agents get paid by who orders arbitration. Same companies do this all the time. If they want to be paid they kinda need to rule in favor of those in power.
It's as bad a government regulatory capture.
I hate to say it, but Vince may have the legal foundation to force this into arbitration. They angled their way into this lawsuit based on the fact Vince didn't pay Janel what he promised in the NDA.
I would imagine the next move for Janel's attorney is to file a Motion for Summary Judgment on the validity of the NDA, tabling the MTC until the judges rules on the MSJ. Unfortunately, that gets into the civil/criminal complexities surrounding NDA to begin with, and if there are no criminal charges, it complicates the matter further. If the judge doesn't agree with the MSJ to invalidate the NDA, then the MTC will likely go through, and this will die in arbitration with Vince paying very little to resolve the suit. He'll probably only have to pay what was agreed on in the original NDA, plus some damages for the delayed payments.
Not a lawyer, but didn't he break the NDA by not paying her the agreed amount, effectively making it void?
Edit: Also aren't NDAs not allowed to be used to cover up a crime, which sex trafficking definitely is?
His claim is that she broke the agreement by revealing their relationship. The scary thing is that her lawyer probably gave him the ammunition by making the agreement a starting point of the lawsuit.
Her attorneys will argue that it’s a necessary disclosure to enforce the terms of the NDA caused by his material breach for failure to pay. That’s pretty well established as acceptable disclosure under an NDA. Otherwise you could fail to pay and then also prohibit enforcement against you.
Telling a lawyer isn't a breach. He either thinks she's the Wall Street Journal source (even though it was obviously a board member), wrote the email to the board as "Janel Grant's friend" that got the ball rolling, or told her friend who emailed the board about the details after the NDA was signed. Even though, at least from what we know about the email, the friend didn't have knowledge of anything that they couldn't have been told before the NDA was signed.
But that’s why they agreed upon arbitration. To handle this issue and as long as there’s no criminal charges against Vince by the time of this ruling, I would suspect it would go to arbitration. And I think even then, Vince would have to be found guilty to void the NDA at that point.
That's true, but not filing to arbitrate isn't a breach of the NDA/settlement agreement itself. It's pretty standard practice to force one party to try to compel arbitration. He may win the motion, but filing in court and forcing the other party to file a motion to compel if there's any good faith dispute about enforceability isn't going to be a breach of anything on her part.
Most of this filing is just posturing on their part and insulting her to put her on the defensive. There's validity to the argument, but all this extra language about her intent isn't legally relevant.
Two problems with that theory as an angle of attack:
1. It seems unlikely, given that the filing came quite some time after he failed to pay. He'd have to show that she disclosed before he missed a payment. Since we know payments were due long before this filing, he'd need evidence she disclosed elsewhere somehow.
2. If he argues she breached first and his failure to pay was repudiation, he may be opening himself up to the argument that now HE is the one trying to negate the contract, which could equitably bar him from enforcing the arbitration provision. Basically, if you're the one saying "I want to throw out the contract", then you can sometimes be barred from enforcing some provisions of it under a theory of fairness (equity). It's not a sure thing, but it's a possibility.
He's explicitly arguing that. From page 16 (section 4C) of the motion to compel:
*Defendant paid Plaintiff the first payment specified in Section V(A) of the Agreement in the amount of $1,000,000; however, because Plaintiff failed to comply with her confidentiality obligations (which she breached by disclosing her relationship with Defendant), Defendant did not pay her the first of the four $500,000 installments specified in Section V(B). Then, rather than sue Defendant for breach of contract in arbitration, in complete disregard of the clear terms of the Agreement and her obligations thereunder, Plaintiff initiated the instant action on January 25, 2024, alleging various causes of action against Defendant, WWE, and defendant John Laurinaitis (“Laurinaitis,” the former Head of Talent Relations and General Manager of WWE) (Compl. ¶ 37). The allegations in the Complaint are replete with falsehoods, misstatements, and irresponsible mischaracterizations of the Parties’ relationship.*
That will be a tough bar to clear if they don’t have convincing evidence that she was the one who leaked the story.
Taking the allegations at face value, their relationship wasn’t exactly a secret. There were multiple people who were aware of it, to some degree. Who’s to say that it wasn’t one of them that said something?
They’ll have to get a judge to believe that the most likely scenario was that she was the one who put some information out there, and that it was not likely that anyone else who was aware said anything.
It’s certainly possible that that was what happened, but that’s not an easy case to make.
True. But it seems like posturing, given that this is a motion to compel arbitration and the underlying cause of action is basically irrelevant to the motion or its potential success. He may try to argue it, but he needs proof that not only did she disclose, but that he had that knowledge at the time of his refusal to pay.
It would be an exceptionally risky approach because if he just suspected she was the leak, but didn’t have any evidence to rely on at the time he failed to pay (even if his suspicion was ultimately correct), he could lose his anticipatory repudiation argument.
And considering the nature of the allegations, you’d expect his very capable attorneys to advise him to attempt to file a complaint against her under seal and requesting an injunction to stop the release of information rather than just refusing to pay her and letting her publish this in a complaint for the world to see.
Vince has yet to be charged of any crime so it’s being argued that the NDA is valid and why it should go to arbitration
Vince is arguing that the NDA covered up a consensual extra marital affair. Not a crime.
This is what’s important and what people are ignoring
That said, I’m unsure if the case being civil and not criminal still validates the NDA because the things being alleged in the civil case are still crimes
Where is Steven P New when you actually need him?
I would assume though that a judge would likely side with an arbitration clause in the NDA since there are no criminal charges.
Civil court doesn’t decide guilty or innocent. It decides based on a preponderance of evidence.
>Civil court doesn’t decide guilty or innocent. It decides based on a preponderance of evidence.
I am aware, but it is still making a decision on the validity of claims. If they decide that the claims in the document are valid, then in their eyes the NDA would be invalid.
The NDA is invalidated the second the action takes place, not the second criminal charges are filed. If an NDA's validity relied solely on criminal charges being filed, prosecuted, and determined, then technically no one would be able to report crimes under an NDA in the first place.
Let's say I got raped and went public in an article about the person who raped me, then that person sued me for Libel. This is not a criminal case, but the courts would still have to determine the validity of my claims to determine if it was Libel or not, with or without existing criminal charges/convictions. If they determine the evidence shows I was raped, they lose the lawsuit.
The judge can't decide on the spot on the validity of the NDA. That in of itself requires a trial on it's own because of all the Technicalities & potential precedents both side can argue.
Nothing is clear cut and evidences still needs to be proven without a shadow of a doubt a crime has been committed. Ergo a criminal charge is still required.
A judge cant skip all of this steps when a lawyer can present fact finding, precendents, legal language semantics that can argue otherwise.
NDA is a contract with an arbitration clause, meaning if there is an alleged breach, the matter has to be settled in arbitration. She claims he breached it but it is still a contract she signed, agreeing to the arbitration clause.
Right now, the criminal issue is an allegation by Janel and no charges have been filed. The NDA doesn’t have details like that lawsuit. It is just an agreement not to discuss details of their relationship.
> She claims he breached it but it is still a contract she signed, agreeing to the arbitration clause.
But a contract without consideration is void, full stop.
It most likely had an arbitration clause.
The NDA wasnt covering up a crime, it was covering up an extra marital affair. Well that's what Vince would say.
I'm far, far, far from a legal expert but his failure to pay and her pursuing a legal remedy is a type of dispute and the NDA says all disputes are to be handled by arbitration. To me that means even though it's all caused by him failing to pay it's still handled through arbitration
That said any criminal charges being filed would likely throw all of that out the window but as of now I don't think we have seen any evidence that rises to the level of him getting charged. Could there be a bunch out there we haven't seen? Absolutely
Again, I could be wrong about all of this
Crazy how the outcome can vary anywhere from "This is going to be extremely ugly and a lot of heads are going to roll" to "This might end very quietly with Vince paying the $2 million plus a little more that he owed this woman".
I guess that's generally the case though.
If they settle, Vince will probably end up paying substantially more than the remaining $2 million he owes her. That said, it will still be drops in a bucket to a man who literally has hundreds of millions of dollars in *liquid cash*.
I believe in arbitration the arbitrator chooses either A or B. If she alleges she’s owed $50M for instance and Vince says it should be zero, the arbitrator hears both sides and chooses one or the other — there’s no provision for compromising at half or somewhere in between.
I guess the sides could reach an agreement and drop arbitration of course.
Or I could be completely wrong.
>I hate to say it, but Vince may have the legal foundation to force this into arbitration.
Even if he doesn't, settlement has always been the most likely outcome here (roughly 95% of cases end that way)
So even if he can't force arbitration, this is how they start the road to settlement.
Rich people dont face consequences, it seems to be a sad fact of life.
edit- im sure someone will reply "but hes no longer in the company anymore, im sure hes just in torture!", to that I say.
1) Ari Emmanuel was already pushing Vince out of WWE, he'd stripped him away from creative and was turning him into a powerless figurehead by the time he was ousted he no longer was allowed to interfere in day to day runnings of WWE per Aris order. he was leaving Ari's company one way or another.
2) he's fucking rich beyond imagination how is that a punishment, yeah im sure being a billionaire must be making him weep.
It's like the Clippers old owner saying some racist stuff on tape and then having to sell the team for exponentially more than he paid for it. Crying tears into his scrooge mcduck pile of gold I'm sure.
Yup. Here's the thing some people don't consider when it comes to the extremely wealthy, relevancy matters to them. I've seen billionaires work their whole life and have people constantly fighting to get access to them for just a few minutes and them being a constant major figure that everyone is working around. Then they retire and all of a sudden they realize the minute they stopped being useful, all the attention and the phone calls stop. Then they start getting depressed because what gave their life meaning is now over.
Sterling was extremely relevant as an NBA owner and you can bet every day people were reaching out to him to do something with the Clippers. Now he's just some disgraced old fart who nobody wants to go near and has to isolate in shame since he's radioactive.
Vince is in the same boat. He was wrestling, he owned one of the biggest entertainment companies on the planet, he dictated multiple weekly television shows, he just helped work out a massive deal with the biggest streaming service on the planet. Now aside from a few close friends, everyone in that industry is distancing themselves and talking about how gross he is, nobody in wrestling is calling him and trying to work with him, it's publicly very costly to be associated with him. Yeah he'll always live a life of luxury. But that's not what got a person like him off.
Can I just say how weird it is to see WWE in someone elses hands? Its been a Mcmahon company for decades. Ari is literally the largest shareholder of TKO. Why didn't Vince just leave the company in Steph and Nick Khan's hands?
Because he's a selfish prick and was happier to sell the WWE and stop it from being the family business he always claimed it was if it meant he got to hold onto control a little while longer instead of being forced to step aside earlier than he wanted and watch his daughter take the reigns.
And in the end it got him nothing. He came back for less than a year and then the same issues undid him. The only difference is that when he left the first time, his daughter and old business partners tried to smooth it out and led chants for him and thanked him for everything. TKO had no loyalty and rushed him out, made it very publicly that the company had nothing to do with him anymore, and spent all of WrestleMania (his baby) dancing on his grave.
I guess he ended up with more money, but at the end of the day he already had more than he was ever going to spend in what remained of his life.
Guy will continue living his life and hanging out with other women attracted by money until he's dead.
He doesn't need family, he's smiling to his grave with what he got away with and the freedom he's enjoying.
The Motion to Compel Arbitration needs to be decided first because if there is a valid agreement to arbitrate, then any claims and motions need to be decided by an arbitrator not a judge.
A motion to compel arbitration would table an MSJ, not the other way around because of how broad the AA is.
Edit: Plaintiff would assert in her opposition to his motion to compel that a valid AA was not entered into because VKM didn’t pay her consideration. Court would decide whether to compel based on whatever the law in that district/circuit is.
Vince is trying to keep the NDA and arbitration clause in tact which is why he filed this. He’s sticking to the game plan of he did nothing wrong and signed a NDA with arbitration.
That’s the reason her and her atty are suing on the grounds of sex trafficking, which breaks federal law and would nullify it. Second paragraph is Vince’s Hail Mary.
“In count I of her complaint, Grant seeks a judicial declaration the NDA is void under the Speak Out Act. The Act, signed by President Joe Biden in 2022, makes NDAs unenforceable when they concern sexual assault or sexual harassment issues.
As mentioned above, McMahon could argue the dispute must first go to arbitration pursuant to the NDA’s arbitration clause. In doing so, he’ll likely deny Grant’s factual assertions and insist no sexual assault or sexual harassment occurred. That line of reasoning could help him argue the Speak Out Act is not on point and thus doesn’t render the NDA unenforceable.”
She's already challenging the NDA on its face. That's in the complaint.
Arbitration-wise, though: Why does she have to take him to arbitration for his concrete breach but he didn't have to take her to arbitration for the breach he alleges (that he used as the reason to stop paying her) and has no proof of?
He should have. They both should have. Vince is now trying to invoke that clause and it’s up to a judge if the arbitration agreement is valid. If it is, it goes to arbitration to decide everything.
Not necessarily. If it indeed goes to arbitration, Vince is likely only on the hook for what is owed.
Unless there is a new agreement of settlement which I would assume happens.
From what I gathered in this thread, this wasn’t some ordinary condo that most people would live in. It was a millionaire penthouse style “condo”. It was likely massive, and she also lived in a similarly massive place a few floors below.
From what I've gathered it belonged to her parents. After they died it looks like she got stuck with it, which I believe was one of the reasons she was so desperate for a well paying job
She was engaged to a guy that's a lawyer it was probably owned/rented by him
Vince's motion stated that she was cheating on that dude
I would assume that after he found out they probably aren't together anymore
Only way Vince goes down now is if the feds found some real shit when they raided his house
Fingers crossed they did
Also: if it was all exaggerated and made up lies, why did Johnny Ace come out with his lawyer and say he was coerced too lmao
>Also: if it was all exaggerated and made up lies, why did Johnny Ace come out with his lawyer and say he was coerced too lmao
That's just how things go. Deny deny deny no matter what. Minimize your involvement no matter what. Act victim and make them prove you're not.
But if they were all lies, wouldn’t Johnny Ace and his lawyer double down with Vince and accuse her of making up shit? I’m just a simple bird lawyer practicing bird law, so I don’t really know that much
I think what they did is the wiser move
Its actually pretty smart if you think about it
"Yea he forced her! In fact, he forced me too! Just like he did her, he did it with her why couldn't he with me?"
The freaky part to me is that it’s definitely possible Johnny Ace WAS coerced. His boss had tremendous power over people and if all this gross absurd shit is true, it wouldn’t be that far fetched to think Ace was another pawn in Vince’s deranged game.
If there’s no one left at the company that’s a named individual they’ll probably just pay for it to go away. It’s very clear they’re trying to move on. Fighting the case would do themselves more harm than writing a check for it to disappear.
Vince's lawyer argues also that the NDA covers WWE as well. There are several clauses related to not pursuing legal action against Vince/WWE or Janel herself that we're actually put in and negotiated by Janel's lawyer.
In terms of what this filing could mean, I think much hinges on, basically, is the NDA enforceable or not? Grant's case is based off of the idea that it isn't, but that he owes her the payments agreed to as part of it. So, that's a dilemma. Either he owes her money and needs to be compelled to pay, or the NDA is invalid and she wants compensatory damages.
So the interesting part regarding this arbitration clause is the fact that her defense has had to have known about this from the beginning...prompting the question then of how much of the decisions to go public was for leverage in negotiation as well.
I will not speculate on the validity of her claims as there is too much information that is revolting (on Vince's part) regardless of how consensual it was but this situation bares a stark difference from the public perception of this case being a criminal matter when in fact it's still about her compensation.
Whatever happens in this case, the content of some of Vince's text messages is enough to make sure he stays gone from wrestling and lies low for the rest of his life. Everyone knows he's acted improperly and nothing will change that.
However, some of the details surrounding the complainant's relationship with her ex-boyfriend absolutely need to be investigated.
"Her ex-boyfriend allowed her to stay in the apartment as she rebuilt her life and resume post-taking care of her parents. She had no job and no other financial support to lean back on."
Yeah, I'm not accepting that at face value. The guy's a lawyer.
> content of some of Vince's text messages is enough to make sure he stays gone from wrestling and lies low for the rest of his life
you'd be foolish to think that Vince wouldn't try to use it in a storyline angle with a wrestler he wants to bury and make an example of.
the wrestling world is really fucked up in that a person like vince can have complete and total control over what people say, how they talk, how they dress, exactly how they should wrestle, what kind of gimmick and style they are going to use and pretty much every single facet of someones actual life and he did that to an entire roster/company for decades.
i could only imagine the crazy twisted version of myself that I would become if I had anywhere close to that kind of power and influence over real people.
less than half of the weirdo sycophants that will worship the grave stone and eulogize the cemetery as a wrestling mecca since a lot of people still love vince and are still sticking up for him today.
There is a remarkable about of preamble material in this brief having absolutely nothing to do with the legal issue of enforceability of the arbitration provision, but which exists to gratuitously attack the character of a woman asserting that she is the victim of sex crimes.
In other words, it's a press release with added legal content.
I would guess that it's more him taking the money out for something else now that it's not his company. If he's no longer invested in its success he should take that money to another venture. Or blow it all on prostitutes that are ok with him pooping on their heads.
When you really boil it all down there's only one distinction that matters in the world; wealthy vs. the rest of us. I guess that there always has to be someone wealthier than everyone else but for fuck sake it doesn't *have* to mean that the person gets away with whatever they want.
Jessica Rosenberg is a brilliant attorney she took the very tactic that Grants attorney used to file this suit, the NDA, and boxed Grant into a corner that she will likely not get out of unless this case goes before the most leftist of progressive of judges possible or that Vince is criminally charged.
I'm not sure how this plays out but in Vince's response, Grant is a 43 year old attorney who was engaged to and lived with a multimillionaire attorney, that both lived in a penthouse apartment just four floors down from Vince and he was on the tenant board of the property, while being forcibly coerced in to sex with Vince for 3 years.
The way I read it all, she consented to everything except the day she tried to reschedule and was told no.
Consent disappeared only when the money stopped. At least that's how I read and understood this when I went over it.
the way I saw it, she probably consented to being vince's "side piece" but didnt consent to being abused and all the shit she had to put up with, no pun intended
Makes me laugh when idiots resort to "intended to garner publicity" - I haven't seen a single interview with her, haven't heard anything directly from her, wouldn't know where to find her. What publicity is she getting from it? Answer - fuck all, because that's not the reason for doing it.
Tbh I think it’s less about positive publicity for Janel and more about negative publicity for Vince and neutral to no publicity for her being their point. I think doing any sort of interview would make her look bad and they’re well aware of that.
Here’s the deal, Vince knows he could be facing criminal charges and a civil suit could go after a lot of things. This would lead to a likely lower settlement/judgment than a civil suit would. Considering the fact the guy has money to appeal for years, she wouldn’t see a fucking penny til he dies, even then, the property is probably all wrapped in convoluted trusts and such.
So…if Grant wants to get paid, she likely has no other recourse except to take a settlement (if she wants to get paid), or she can do the long-game and probably not get anything for a long time. This is what sucks about our justice system.
- NDAs don't mean a thing over illegal activities
- Even if they did, going into arbitration instead of court in this case is basically admitting fault and they're just trying to find any middle ground to lower any amount to pay out.
- Vince is fucking disgusting and has a massive legal list about it.
> Vince McMahon has filed a motion to compel arbitration in the Grant v. WWE et all case. > As expected, McMahon's defense is that the NDA he and Janel Grant agreed to contains an arbitration clause and therefore this dispute should go to private arbitration. > McMahon says Grant's "outrageous claims of sexual abuse and coercion are pure fiction—plainly intended to garner publicity—and are flatly contradicted by Plaintiff’s own contemporaneous statements." > He says he and Grant "engaged in a consensual relationship during which Defendant never coerced Plaintiff into doing anything and never mistreated her in any way."
Too bad that NDA isn't worth shit if it covers any illegal activity.
Also he didn't fulfill the payments in the NDA so it isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
Well he’s trying to argue that nothing illegal happened and the relationship was consensual. Therefor she violated the NDA and should face consequences for that.
But he violated the NDA by not paying her lol
What is it with scummy billionaire refusing to pay people?
Right, its like they are living check to check. Frugal fucks.
This sounds like a line from Suits
I mean folks... where's the truth?
1000
He does side with Vince so that tracks.
What’s up…
The truth ain't setting no one free, this time
Didn't they play this right after that one rumble.
Oh yes. The incredible "fuck you were got your money" Gif came from that.
https://preview.redd.it/nkyhzj1zabwc1.jpeg?width=4792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05fc46fbf5306e8df0afdaa977e98d3671cbd3c6
 *What’s up chants intensify*
In the distant crowd: BOBBY FISH RULES!!!
I genuinely wonder how disturbed Vince is. Like do you think he genuinely believes he didn’t coerce her and she was down for this bc he just believes women (all or at bare minimum some) are just objects and are cool with it. Or does he know he was coercing her and that’s what he enjoyed? I’m not entirely sure which mindset is worse, but I wonder what he really thinks happened.
There's something important that I don't think gets brought up enough: We know of at least two instances of Vince sexually assaulting a woman he had just met who was working at a spa or related business. There are almost surely a lot more. The NDAs we know about all involve women who worked for him, but when you consider what we know about those stories and then throw in that he's presumably groped a LOT of spa workers or worse, it sure seems like he thinks he's owed sex by any woman he meets. Whether he's outright crossed the line to sociopathy, who knows? That's above most of our pay grades.
WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY, I FEEL IS EVIL, but it is me trying to understand a (deluded) mind; I feel like, if anything, he doesn't understand 'no,' and to him, that is just either (the woman's) process to get to a 'yes' as she wants him/wants to agree, all along, but is playing hard to get/not being honest with herself, or that he knows better and it is like making a child go to bed at night. It's coercion. And he's a bastard. But I genuinely don't know if he hasn't gaslit himself in some of this. Still, throw the book at the bastard. He certainly has tried to cover things up and knows what he has done is wrong.
Vince I think is legitimately fucked up. Read his old playboy interview about his first sexual experience.
Yeah, I'm aware of that, so messed up! It's why I wonder his mental competency. The fact that he hides and argues and denies everything shows he is not fully, or even in majority, incompetent. He knows what he is doing is wrong, clearly, but same notion, I don't think he understands WHY it is wrong, or if part of him does, he has, again, gaslit himself. 'It's not coercion, it's not assault, she said yes after I put her in a financial or emotional or life style vice of being stuck to my every whim! It's a process, it's a game, it's a business deal.' But even if that is wrong, and he understands why it is wrong, it is clear he does not care about it being wrong. Please note, this is me discussing semantics, NOT me defending him. I think he knows it was wrong, knows he was exerting power, but I genuinely do not think that egotistical, broken, damaged man has any genuine idea about the damage he has caused.
A good comp for Vince is Dupont. This is a DEEPLY deranged person who then became a billionaire. Those two things combined are a serious recipe for an extremely dangerous person.
Absolutely agreed.
Or maybe he denies everything and argues because if he admits it he's subjecting himself to criminal liability. Or he sees it as an agreement. The same way wrestlers go out and injure their bodies on his television shows - they consent to the harm for money. If they're not happy doing it, they can leave. With what's happening with the women, he probably doesn't even see it as harmful, they've decided to do something in exchange for money, if they don't like it they can leave. It is coercion, but at the end of the day, aren't all jobs coercive? Would you work if you didn't need to to pay your bills? He could easily see it in the same way.
What still bothers me about that is how he calmly and coldly stated he feels it's unfortunate his stepdad died before he could kill him as he would have enjoyed it.
I'm pretty sure it's as simple as he's gone almost his entire life without anyone telling him no. The difference between him and Trump is he's actually rich and before the mental decline he was smart. You spend your entire life surrounded by people telling you yes and wrestlers who do crazy things. You need to be a little crazy yourself. And you get Vinny Mac. A guy who wants an incest angle, wrestled his own daughter in a hardcore match, and was seen as a father figure by a former UFC champion. What he did is terrible and he deserves whatever he gets. But this is not surprising to me.
I think he understands, he just doesn’t think women deserve to tell him no, he cant respect it
He knows He definitely knows He's dangled many a carrot to get his desires previously
NDA = he knows what happened wouldn't be good if it was known by others.
He’s very similar to Trump. It’s a personality disorder. Lying is so natural to them it becomes the truth. They don’t acknowledge the reality as whatever they see is everything
Yeah I have similar thoughts about trump wondering to what degree he believes the bullshit he spews. Is he just a 100% grifting psycho or is he at some level a crazy psycho who believes his own lies. Does he believe he’s lying to gain advantage or does he really think he is above the laws set for everyone else? Either way he’s despicable, but it’s just curiosity.
Remember Jerry…. It’s not a lie, if you believe it
He knows exactly what he did and that it was wrong, he's just lying now hoping to get away with it. He obviously knows he coerced her. Vince McMahon is many things but dumb isn't one of them.
I dunno, this probably wouldn't have come out if he kept to the terms of his contract with Grant. Also if he just sat it out for awhile, rather than muscle his way back in to "sell the company" (aka put himself back in power) he wouldn't have lost actual control of the company at all. Dude is fucking stupid.
From provable in court down to public opinion... I think Vince could slide in an actual civil case. I don't think he will ever recover in the public opinion arena unless you're one of the chudds who already forgive/don't care what he did But there's almost no way Grant's legal tream is gonna put this in front of an actual trial. That would be disastrous for Grant. I don't think she accepts arbitration right away. But everyone involved from Grant, to Vince, to TKO wants this thing to go to settlement yesterday. Vince filing for arbitration shows he at least isn't off his rocker and is gonna try to fight this in public
The behind the bastards podcast episodes about him paint a pretty good picture... Sadly they were from before the more recent things happening... That could have been another 2 episodes...
I'm pretty sure that most people in these situations get off on having power over someone else and forcing them to do stuff that they know they don't really want to. They are almost always wealthy and powerful people who would have absolutely no difficulty finding willing women, but instead intentionally choose to act in a coercive and abusive fashion. And with Vince McMahon it is not just Grant: he has a track record of a number of other NDAs/settlements and who knows how many more that simply never came to light. From an evolutionary perspective a lot of really bad traits actually have been selected for in human beings. Consider how [many offspring Ghengis Khan left,](https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/1-in-200-men-direct-descendants-of-genghis-khan) and it's pretty unlikely that was the result of entirely willing encounters. By no means are human beings all bad, which is why we now consider this stuff unacceptable, but one should not underestimate how f'ed up we are capable of being.
True, it’s not a leap to say he knows he was abusing her, it’s more curiosity of which type of psycho he is I guess. We won’t ever know bc he won’t come out and admit it either way. I just wonder if he believes his lies or not, and like I said I don’t know if either answer is “better” bc thinking he did nothing wrong is a terrifying prospect.
Or... he's defending his case.
He watched 2 girls 1 cup 2 much
It's important in court cases to not take sides. I don't believe everything in Grant's complaint is the absolute truth. I don't believe everything in Vince's defense is the absolute truth. All of it is positioning events in the most favorable fashion to win the case. As more information comes to light then you have to challenge what was previously claimed to be true but in a court of law the truth is not what is being determined.
I guess the key difference (at least at this point) is that Grant has produced a fair amount of documentation proving some of her key claims. Vince has produced almost none. The one piece he *did* provide was a "love letter," which Grant's team responded to with a series of texts that clearly showed Vince coerced her into writing it.
Dude, guy is evil. Dont fall for the pr.
Like outside the NDA not covering illegal activities, didn't they not pay her the full NDA
Exactly. If he wants the NDA enforced then he should have paid the rest of the NDA off. He didn't, so it's null and void.
The thing people have suggested is that some of the story leaked (either from her or via someone else), which is how WSJ got it. Which was the point where he decided to stop paying because in his mind she'd already breached the NDA. Though the problem there is that a) it might not have come from her in the first place, and b) he was apparently too stupid to realize just how much ammunition she had to make things much, much worse once he gave her the excuse to ignore the NDA entirely. Plus like other people have repeatedly pointed out, an NDA can't legally protect you from exposure of illegal activities anyway.
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He's saying she wants money. Which is true.
Of course she does, but that's not really a negative in her case. I've read the original document including the texts and if I was her the very least I'd want was something out of him. Whether that's so Vince hurts or just so I could get something so all the psychological damage doesn't seem pointless, I can't say. But it's such a stupid counter argument. What other recourse does she have? Police will be looking at it closely but it's a lot harder to win a criminal case rather than a civil case. One doesn't stop the other either - if he does end up having a criminal case she can still persue this avenue. And ultimately, taking all other morals out of it - it was Vince who broke their NDA, so she has every right to take him to the cleaners.
“Contemporaneous” is such a fucking Vince word. From what I understand that NDA was unenforceable and not worth the paper it was written on, so hopefully this motion achieves nothing.
>plainly intended to garner publicity Yeah I'm sure it's easy for her to relive the most nightmarish shit she's endured
Nightmarish shit
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Arbitration is the way wealthy and powerful screw people by removing the one playing field where they are perceived to be equal, court of peers. Arbitration agents get paid by who orders arbitration. Same companies do this all the time. If they want to be paid they kinda need to rule in favor of those in power. It's as bad a government regulatory capture.
Basically if you're rich you don't have to pay for crimes is what I'm learning Edit: So many snarky replies
Welcome to the world
"A crime with a fine is a crime only for the poor."
What’s the other quote? “a fine just means it’s legal for a price” or something like that?
A fine means it's fine.
This is literally human history 101
Since day 1 brother
yeah, check the epstein story. it took a lot
You’re only JUST learning that now?
Where did they say that
They literally said “…is what i’m learning.”
I learned that a long ass time ago.
You have to pay, just financially and not criminally
You do know this is a civil case, right?
I hate to say it, but Vince may have the legal foundation to force this into arbitration. They angled their way into this lawsuit based on the fact Vince didn't pay Janel what he promised in the NDA. I would imagine the next move for Janel's attorney is to file a Motion for Summary Judgment on the validity of the NDA, tabling the MTC until the judges rules on the MSJ. Unfortunately, that gets into the civil/criminal complexities surrounding NDA to begin with, and if there are no criminal charges, it complicates the matter further. If the judge doesn't agree with the MSJ to invalidate the NDA, then the MTC will likely go through, and this will die in arbitration with Vince paying very little to resolve the suit. He'll probably only have to pay what was agreed on in the original NDA, plus some damages for the delayed payments.
Not a lawyer, but didn't he break the NDA by not paying her the agreed amount, effectively making it void? Edit: Also aren't NDAs not allowed to be used to cover up a crime, which sex trafficking definitely is?
His claim is that she broke the agreement by revealing their relationship. The scary thing is that her lawyer probably gave him the ammunition by making the agreement a starting point of the lawsuit.
Her attorneys will argue that it’s a necessary disclosure to enforce the terms of the NDA caused by his material breach for failure to pay. That’s pretty well established as acceptable disclosure under an NDA. Otherwise you could fail to pay and then also prohibit enforcement against you.
Telling a lawyer isn't a breach. He either thinks she's the Wall Street Journal source (even though it was obviously a board member), wrote the email to the board as "Janel Grant's friend" that got the ball rolling, or told her friend who emailed the board about the details after the NDA was signed. Even though, at least from what we know about the email, the friend didn't have knowledge of anything that they couldn't have been told before the NDA was signed.
But that’s why they agreed upon arbitration. To handle this issue and as long as there’s no criminal charges against Vince by the time of this ruling, I would suspect it would go to arbitration. And I think even then, Vince would have to be found guilty to void the NDA at that point.
That's true, but not filing to arbitrate isn't a breach of the NDA/settlement agreement itself. It's pretty standard practice to force one party to try to compel arbitration. He may win the motion, but filing in court and forcing the other party to file a motion to compel if there's any good faith dispute about enforceability isn't going to be a breach of anything on her part. Most of this filing is just posturing on their part and insulting her to put her on the defensive. There's validity to the argument, but all this extra language about her intent isn't legally relevant.
Unless Vince can prove that she broke the contract first by telling people of their affair like the WSJ?
Two problems with that theory as an angle of attack: 1. It seems unlikely, given that the filing came quite some time after he failed to pay. He'd have to show that she disclosed before he missed a payment. Since we know payments were due long before this filing, he'd need evidence she disclosed elsewhere somehow. 2. If he argues she breached first and his failure to pay was repudiation, he may be opening himself up to the argument that now HE is the one trying to negate the contract, which could equitably bar him from enforcing the arbitration provision. Basically, if you're the one saying "I want to throw out the contract", then you can sometimes be barred from enforcing some provisions of it under a theory of fairness (equity). It's not a sure thing, but it's a possibility.
I appreciated this back and forth as someone who has no clue about this stuff.
I tried to read it and failed
He's explicitly arguing that. From page 16 (section 4C) of the motion to compel: *Defendant paid Plaintiff the first payment specified in Section V(A) of the Agreement in the amount of $1,000,000; however, because Plaintiff failed to comply with her confidentiality obligations (which she breached by disclosing her relationship with Defendant), Defendant did not pay her the first of the four $500,000 installments specified in Section V(B). Then, rather than sue Defendant for breach of contract in arbitration, in complete disregard of the clear terms of the Agreement and her obligations thereunder, Plaintiff initiated the instant action on January 25, 2024, alleging various causes of action against Defendant, WWE, and defendant John Laurinaitis (“Laurinaitis,” the former Head of Talent Relations and General Manager of WWE) (Compl. ¶ 37). The allegations in the Complaint are replete with falsehoods, misstatements, and irresponsible mischaracterizations of the Parties’ relationship.*
That will be a tough bar to clear if they don’t have convincing evidence that she was the one who leaked the story. Taking the allegations at face value, their relationship wasn’t exactly a secret. There were multiple people who were aware of it, to some degree. Who’s to say that it wasn’t one of them that said something? They’ll have to get a judge to believe that the most likely scenario was that she was the one who put some information out there, and that it was not likely that anyone else who was aware said anything. It’s certainly possible that that was what happened, but that’s not an easy case to make.
True. But it seems like posturing, given that this is a motion to compel arbitration and the underlying cause of action is basically irrelevant to the motion or its potential success. He may try to argue it, but he needs proof that not only did she disclose, but that he had that knowledge at the time of his refusal to pay. It would be an exceptionally risky approach because if he just suspected she was the leak, but didn’t have any evidence to rely on at the time he failed to pay (even if his suspicion was ultimately correct), he could lose his anticipatory repudiation argument. And considering the nature of the allegations, you’d expect his very capable attorneys to advise him to attempt to file a complaint against her under seal and requesting an injunction to stop the release of information rather than just refusing to pay her and letting her publish this in a complaint for the world to see.
NDAs cannot be used to hide illegality. She's fine.
Vince has yet to be charged of any crime so it’s being argued that the NDA is valid and why it should go to arbitration Vince is arguing that the NDA covered up a consensual extra marital affair. Not a crime.
This is what’s important and what people are ignoring That said, I’m unsure if the case being civil and not criminal still validates the NDA because the things being alleged in the civil case are still crimes Where is Steven P New when you actually need him?
I would assume though that a judge would likely side with an arbitration clause in the NDA since there are no criminal charges. Civil court doesn’t decide guilty or innocent. It decides based on a preponderance of evidence.
>Civil court doesn’t decide guilty or innocent. It decides based on a preponderance of evidence. I am aware, but it is still making a decision on the validity of claims. If they decide that the claims in the document are valid, then in their eyes the NDA would be invalid. The NDA is invalidated the second the action takes place, not the second criminal charges are filed. If an NDA's validity relied solely on criminal charges being filed, prosecuted, and determined, then technically no one would be able to report crimes under an NDA in the first place. Let's say I got raped and went public in an article about the person who raped me, then that person sued me for Libel. This is not a criminal case, but the courts would still have to determine the validity of my claims to determine if it was Libel or not, with or without existing criminal charges/convictions. If they determine the evidence shows I was raped, they lose the lawsuit.
That’s a fair assessment. I guess if the motion passes, we get our answer.
The judge can't decide on the spot on the validity of the NDA. That in of itself requires a trial on it's own because of all the Technicalities & potential precedents both side can argue. Nothing is clear cut and evidences still needs to be proven without a shadow of a doubt a crime has been committed. Ergo a criminal charge is still required. A judge cant skip all of this steps when a lawyer can present fact finding, precendents, legal language semantics that can argue otherwise.
Would the existence of a federal investigation not cause a judge to hesitate on that?
Breaking the terms of a contract doesn't make it void, it makes it enforceable on a court of law (plus other things like damages).
NDA is a contract with an arbitration clause, meaning if there is an alleged breach, the matter has to be settled in arbitration. She claims he breached it but it is still a contract she signed, agreeing to the arbitration clause. Right now, the criminal issue is an allegation by Janel and no charges have been filed. The NDA doesn’t have details like that lawsuit. It is just an agreement not to discuss details of their relationship.
> She claims he breached it but it is still a contract she signed, agreeing to the arbitration clause. But a contract without consideration is void, full stop.
It most likely had an arbitration clause. The NDA wasnt covering up a crime, it was covering up an extra marital affair. Well that's what Vince would say.
I'm far, far, far from a legal expert but his failure to pay and her pursuing a legal remedy is a type of dispute and the NDA says all disputes are to be handled by arbitration. To me that means even though it's all caused by him failing to pay it's still handled through arbitration That said any criminal charges being filed would likely throw all of that out the window but as of now I don't think we have seen any evidence that rises to the level of him getting charged. Could there be a bunch out there we haven't seen? Absolutely Again, I could be wrong about all of this
Crazy how the outcome can vary anywhere from "This is going to be extremely ugly and a lot of heads are going to roll" to "This might end very quietly with Vince paying the $2 million plus a little more that he owed this woman". I guess that's generally the case though.
If they settle, Vince will probably end up paying substantially more than the remaining $2 million he owes her. That said, it will still be drops in a bucket to a man who literally has hundreds of millions of dollars in *liquid cash*.
I believe in arbitration the arbitrator chooses either A or B. If she alleges she’s owed $50M for instance and Vince says it should be zero, the arbitrator hears both sides and chooses one or the other — there’s no provision for compromising at half or somewhere in between. I guess the sides could reach an agreement and drop arbitration of course. Or I could be completely wrong.
Fucking rich people.
>I hate to say it, but Vince may have the legal foundation to force this into arbitration. Even if he doesn't, settlement has always been the most likely outcome here (roughly 95% of cases end that way) So even if he can't force arbitration, this is how they start the road to settlement.
It's a civil case. As cold as it sounds, this ends with an amount of money being agreed to. It just depends on how far both sides take it.
This seems to be the reality here
Rich people dont face consequences, it seems to be a sad fact of life. edit- im sure someone will reply "but hes no longer in the company anymore, im sure hes just in torture!", to that I say. 1) Ari Emmanuel was already pushing Vince out of WWE, he'd stripped him away from creative and was turning him into a powerless figurehead by the time he was ousted he no longer was allowed to interfere in day to day runnings of WWE per Aris order. he was leaving Ari's company one way or another. 2) he's fucking rich beyond imagination how is that a punishment, yeah im sure being a billionaire must be making him weep.
It's like the Clippers old owner saying some racist stuff on tape and then having to sell the team for exponentially more than he paid for it. Crying tears into his scrooge mcduck pile of gold I'm sure.
Ehhh...being an NBA owner was a status symbol for Donald Sterling and guys like him. I think it did hurt on some level.
Yup. Here's the thing some people don't consider when it comes to the extremely wealthy, relevancy matters to them. I've seen billionaires work their whole life and have people constantly fighting to get access to them for just a few minutes and them being a constant major figure that everyone is working around. Then they retire and all of a sudden they realize the minute they stopped being useful, all the attention and the phone calls stop. Then they start getting depressed because what gave their life meaning is now over. Sterling was extremely relevant as an NBA owner and you can bet every day people were reaching out to him to do something with the Clippers. Now he's just some disgraced old fart who nobody wants to go near and has to isolate in shame since he's radioactive. Vince is in the same boat. He was wrestling, he owned one of the biggest entertainment companies on the planet, he dictated multiple weekly television shows, he just helped work out a massive deal with the biggest streaming service on the planet. Now aside from a few close friends, everyone in that industry is distancing themselves and talking about how gross he is, nobody in wrestling is calling him and trying to work with him, it's publicly very costly to be associated with him. Yeah he'll always live a life of luxury. But that's not what got a person like him off.
yeah there are way more billionaires on Earth than there are NBA owners
I think the real repercussions will show for him when his kids don’t want anything to do with him.
His kids *and* his grandkids. Vince McMahon will die a rich, lonely old man.
Can I just say how weird it is to see WWE in someone elses hands? Its been a Mcmahon company for decades. Ari is literally the largest shareholder of TKO. Why didn't Vince just leave the company in Steph and Nick Khan's hands?
Simple. Hubris, control, power.
> Why didn't Vince just leave the company in Steph and Nick Khan's hands? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSEw_AVfJBY
Because he's a selfish prick and was happier to sell the WWE and stop it from being the family business he always claimed it was if it meant he got to hold onto control a little while longer instead of being forced to step aside earlier than he wanted and watch his daughter take the reigns. And in the end it got him nothing. He came back for less than a year and then the same issues undid him. The only difference is that when he left the first time, his daughter and old business partners tried to smooth it out and led chants for him and thanked him for everything. TKO had no loyalty and rushed him out, made it very publicly that the company had nothing to do with him anymore, and spent all of WrestleMania (his baby) dancing on his grave. I guess he ended up with more money, but at the end of the day he already had more than he was ever going to spend in what remained of his life.
His ego just wouldn't let him
Guy will continue living his life and hanging out with other women attracted by money until he's dead. He doesn't need family, he's smiling to his grave with what he got away with and the freedom he's enjoying.
The Motion to Compel Arbitration needs to be decided first because if there is a valid agreement to arbitrate, then any claims and motions need to be decided by an arbitrator not a judge. A motion to compel arbitration would table an MSJ, not the other way around because of how broad the AA is. Edit: Plaintiff would assert in her opposition to his motion to compel that a valid AA was not entered into because VKM didn’t pay her consideration. Court would decide whether to compel based on whatever the law in that district/circuit is.
Vince is trying to keep the NDA and arbitration clause in tact which is why he filed this. He’s sticking to the game plan of he did nothing wrong and signed a NDA with arbitration. That’s the reason her and her atty are suing on the grounds of sex trafficking, which breaks federal law and would nullify it. Second paragraph is Vince’s Hail Mary. “In count I of her complaint, Grant seeks a judicial declaration the NDA is void under the Speak Out Act. The Act, signed by President Joe Biden in 2022, makes NDAs unenforceable when they concern sexual assault or sexual harassment issues. As mentioned above, McMahon could argue the dispute must first go to arbitration pursuant to the NDA’s arbitration clause. In doing so, he’ll likely deny Grant’s factual assertions and insist no sexual assault or sexual harassment occurred. That line of reasoning could help him argue the Speak Out Act is not on point and thus doesn’t render the NDA unenforceable.”
Indubitably 🧐 (I have no idea what the fuck you just said bro)
She's already challenging the NDA on its face. That's in the complaint. Arbitration-wise, though: Why does she have to take him to arbitration for his concrete breach but he didn't have to take her to arbitration for the breach he alleges (that he used as the reason to stop paying her) and has no proof of?
He should have. They both should have. Vince is now trying to invoke that clause and it’s up to a judge if the arbitration agreement is valid. If it is, it goes to arbitration to decide everything.
This is pretty insightful, you sound to have significant knowledge of the legal aspects. Thank you
I suppose that's at least still several million dollars, plus she managed to ruin his career for good. So that's a plus.
Not necessarily. If it indeed goes to arbitration, Vince is likely only on the hook for what is owed. Unless there is a new agreement of settlement which I would assume happens.
Summary judgments are difficult to obtain, even on a narrow issue like this.
The obviously horrible parts are what they are, atrocious and probably criminal. But I have to ask why does Vince McMahon live in a condo?
Vince lived at his desk. Any residences he owned were for when he had to take a day off of work.
That's the first thing I was wondering when all this broke. I was so confused when I saw it said she met because they lived in the same building.
From what I gathered in this thread, this wasn’t some ordinary condo that most people would live in. It was a millionaire penthouse style “condo”. It was likely massive, and she also lived in a similarly massive place a few floors below.
How could she afford to live in such a place? (No judgement just curious)
From what I've gathered it belonged to her parents. After they died it looks like she got stuck with it, which I believe was one of the reasons she was so desperate for a well paying job
I thought it was her ex that lived in the same condo space? She was staying with him and he was a lawyer.
She was engaged to a guy that's a lawyer it was probably owned/rented by him Vince's motion stated that she was cheating on that dude I would assume that after he found out they probably aren't together anymore
Only way Vince goes down now is if the feds found some real shit when they raided his house Fingers crossed they did Also: if it was all exaggerated and made up lies, why did Johnny Ace come out with his lawyer and say he was coerced too lmao
>Also: if it was all exaggerated and made up lies, why did Johnny Ace come out with his lawyer and say he was coerced too lmao That's just how things go. Deny deny deny no matter what. Minimize your involvement no matter what. Act victim and make them prove you're not.
Pretty standard. Who cares about burning bridges when you’re blackballed already now. And you’re rich.
But if they were all lies, wouldn’t Johnny Ace and his lawyer double down with Vince and accuse her of making up shit? I’m just a simple bird lawyer practicing bird law, so I don’t really know that much
Nope, cause if they can prove Vince guilty it makes him guilty. It's better to angle like this for him.
I think what they did is the wiser move Its actually pretty smart if you think about it "Yea he forced her! In fact, he forced me too! Just like he did her, he did it with her why couldn't he with me?"
johnny ace looks like the funkhouser of WWE who thinks hes in a popular frat house and dates bella twins mom
he does have a funkhouser vibe
larrrryyyyyyy i was just copying you larrrryyyy you wrecked my hot marriage. this was never suppose to leave the golf club. 😑 ye thats john
The freaky part to me is that it’s definitely possible Johnny Ace WAS coerced. His boss had tremendous power over people and if all this gross absurd shit is true, it wouldn’t be that far fetched to think Ace was another pawn in Vince’s deranged game.
I don’t know man, that raid was almost a year ago. If they had him dead to rights you’d think they would have jumped on it by now.
> if the feds found some real shit What if they found some real glass?
Question, WWE is still involved in the suit. How do you think that gets settled?
If there’s no one left at the company that’s a named individual they’ll probably just pay for it to go away. It’s very clear they’re trying to move on. Fighting the case would do themselves more harm than writing a check for it to disappear.
Vince's lawyer argues also that the NDA covers WWE as well. There are several clauses related to not pursuing legal action against Vince/WWE or Janel herself that we're actually put in and negotiated by Janel's lawyer.
As of now, yes they are.
In terms of what this filing could mean, I think much hinges on, basically, is the NDA enforceable or not? Grant's case is based off of the idea that it isn't, but that he owes her the payments agreed to as part of it. So, that's a dilemma. Either he owes her money and needs to be compelled to pay, or the NDA is invalid and she wants compensatory damages.
So the interesting part regarding this arbitration clause is the fact that her defense has had to have known about this from the beginning...prompting the question then of how much of the decisions to go public was for leverage in negotiation as well. I will not speculate on the validity of her claims as there is too much information that is revolting (on Vince's part) regardless of how consensual it was but this situation bares a stark difference from the public perception of this case being a criminal matter when in fact it's still about her compensation.
Whatever happens in this case, the content of some of Vince's text messages is enough to make sure he stays gone from wrestling and lies low for the rest of his life. Everyone knows he's acted improperly and nothing will change that. However, some of the details surrounding the complainant's relationship with her ex-boyfriend absolutely need to be investigated. "Her ex-boyfriend allowed her to stay in the apartment as she rebuilt her life and resume post-taking care of her parents. She had no job and no other financial support to lean back on." Yeah, I'm not accepting that at face value. The guy's a lawyer.
> content of some of Vince's text messages is enough to make sure he stays gone from wrestling and lies low for the rest of his life you'd be foolish to think that Vince wouldn't try to use it in a storyline angle with a wrestler he wants to bury and make an example of. the wrestling world is really fucked up in that a person like vince can have complete and total control over what people say, how they talk, how they dress, exactly how they should wrestle, what kind of gimmick and style they are going to use and pretty much every single facet of someones actual life and he did that to an entire roster/company for decades. i could only imagine the crazy twisted version of myself that I would become if I had anywhere close to that kind of power and influence over real people.
Curious how long the line to spit on his grave, would be.
Half as long as the line to piss on it, hopefully.
Gonna be the busiest public bathroom in the US
Second busiest after his orange friend.
americans will finally have their own margret thatcher grave once he and trump die
Piss??? Im gonna eat 2 day old Chipotle before heading to the cemetary.
"Ugh. I'm gonna go stand in the piss line, this shit on his grave line is taking forever to move"
Yeah but he'll enjoy that (allegedly).
Beware, he might want that
less than half of the weirdo sycophants that will worship the grave stone and eulogize the cemetery as a wrestling mecca since a lot of people still love vince and are still sticking up for him today.
There is a remarkable about of preamble material in this brief having absolutely nothing to do with the legal issue of enforceability of the arbitration provision, but which exists to gratuitously attack the character of a woman asserting that she is the victim of sex crimes. In other words, it's a press release with added legal content.
This is why he keeps selling stock. He's gonna pay his lawyers and try to pay her to make all this go away.
He doesn't need $2 billion cash to pay lawyers.
How naive are you? This will cost him a few million dollars max.
I would guess that it's more him taking the money out for something else now that it's not his company. If he's no longer invested in its success he should take that money to another venture. Or blow it all on prostitutes that are ok with him pooping on their heads.
He's a billionaire multiple times over, that's not why he's selling stock
When you really boil it all down there's only one distinction that matters in the world; wealthy vs. the rest of us. I guess that there always has to be someone wealthier than everyone else but for fuck sake it doesn't *have* to mean that the person gets away with whatever they want.
Jessica Rosenberg is a brilliant attorney she took the very tactic that Grants attorney used to file this suit, the NDA, and boxed Grant into a corner that she will likely not get out of unless this case goes before the most leftist of progressive of judges possible or that Vince is criminally charged. I'm not sure how this plays out but in Vince's response, Grant is a 43 year old attorney who was engaged to and lived with a multimillionaire attorney, that both lived in a penthouse apartment just four floors down from Vince and he was on the tenant board of the property, while being forcibly coerced in to sex with Vince for 3 years.
I highly doubt she consented to having being shit on
Completely valid to think, but none of us know the truth 100%
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We don't know the sun will rise tomorrow either.
The way I read it all, she consented to everything except the day she tried to reschedule and was told no. Consent disappeared only when the money stopped. At least that's how I read and understood this when I went over it.
the way I saw it, she probably consented to being vince's "side piece" but didnt consent to being abused and all the shit she had to put up with, no pun intended
Makes me laugh when idiots resort to "intended to garner publicity" - I haven't seen a single interview with her, haven't heard anything directly from her, wouldn't know where to find her. What publicity is she getting from it? Answer - fuck all, because that's not the reason for doing it.
Tbh I think it’s less about positive publicity for Janel and more about negative publicity for Vince and neutral to no publicity for her being their point. I think doing any sort of interview would make her look bad and they’re well aware of that.
It’s he said she said. Who do you believe? Do you have evidence?
Here’s the deal, Vince knows he could be facing criminal charges and a civil suit could go after a lot of things. This would lead to a likely lower settlement/judgment than a civil suit would. Considering the fact the guy has money to appeal for years, she wouldn’t see a fucking penny til he dies, even then, the property is probably all wrapped in convoluted trusts and such. So…if Grant wants to get paid, she likely has no other recourse except to take a settlement (if she wants to get paid), or she can do the long-game and probably not get anything for a long time. This is what sucks about our justice system.
- NDAs don't mean a thing over illegal activities - Even if they did, going into arbitration instead of court in this case is basically admitting fault and they're just trying to find any middle ground to lower any amount to pay out. - Vince is fucking disgusting and has a massive legal list about it.