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Shrekt115

This should've been how they debuted Singh


WhoaDave04

If at first you don’t succeed…


wwfmike

They should have had him walk in through the crowd. Would have looked amazing.


xGwiZ96x

Honestly looking back at this and the debut, I'm fine the way it went and played out. If Singh debuted tonight, everything that happened would've had a different feel with him beating down Moriarty and Sydal. Every bad ending leads to better journeys. This showing gave Singh a lot of character development and showed what he's truly made of. He has tons of personality and looked fluid with his moves minus the edit throwing Moriarty into the ropes. Tonight was a good second step in my eyes.


danosky

I'd rather they flop it at the beginning then rehabilitate him (Miro) than kill it at the beginning then fall into mediocrity (The Fiend)


Stumblebee

Because AEW is so much shorter on average, Singh's height feels fucking *insane* Gresham's height difference left me with my fuckin jaw on the floor


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HomieDontDeanThis_

I haven't double checked but I think Taker is a little bit taller than Jonathan Gresham, so it really makes that difference


Thedinosaurwizard

Nah I'm pretty sure that's just cuz WWE kayfabes their heights


i_broke_wahoos_leg

Maybe if Taker is in lifts and you're squinting.


Kaprak

He is actually taller than Khali by a few inches.


StevenGorefrost

Just a heads up. The mods here have said they consider comparing him to Khali to be racist. I think it's totally stupid but just giving you a heads up so you don't get banned.


Lt_Jonson

[I can’t get over this size difference, holy shit. He looks like a child next to him.](https://i.imgur.com/uYelYkq.jpg)


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https://i.imgur.com/ddlm88P.png


MyNameIs-Anthony

THE BIG BABY IS HERE FOR SOME MILK


dec92010

6'0 vs 5'11"


Chop_the_Nitro

[Looks like one of those optical illusion rooms](https://imgur.com/a/tToqQAS)


AudienceWatching

Legit how could anyone ever take this man down, that’s insane


indiansummerscience

We have a new version of that meme of Rey Mysterio facing off against Great Khali the size disparity is baffling


Justinthelaite

If we're going by billed heights, there's a 23 inch difference.


JuanjoArenas

[vibes](https://i.imgflip.com/2o8srm.jpg)


Loss_Bandage

Gresham would be short in ANY company. He is 5'3" and probably closer to 5'2". Perfect guy to show a giant against. Clearly TK knew what he was doing. And thankfully didn't listen to anyone else this time.


fluffywolfe

Nah, this may have been the idea of another 30 year veteran.


namdekan

He asked 30 month veteran Anna Jay this time


establismentsad7661

Careful what you say about greshams height. He might climb on jordynne graces shoulders like fergal on fale and will smith you


RelativeStranger

I mean Gresham looked like a smaller version of Samoa Joe and hes not that tall.


[deleted]

Bouncing Gresham like a basketball is gonna be a great GIF


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danosky

They could show me Gresham beating him down the line and I wouldn't bat an eye in disbelief. They would need some video packages of Gresham accomplishments for people new to him but still.


Caldris

Oh dear lord. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQgaeZmaIAMCDi4?format=jpg


Sauvignon_Arcenciel

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/534/034/63a.jpg


thore4

Suddenly I have a research project that needs attending to


dropperofpipebombs

6 foot vs 5'11"


Zacginger

joke went way over my head at first and i was gonna be like “bro he’s 7’3” wtf???”


dropperofpipebombs

It's okay, it went over Gresham's head too.


Pogo__the__Clown

What doesn’t?


bigchicago04

In all seriousness, is there a reason people make so many short jokes about the guy? Seems a bit mean spirited but everyone’s ok with it. Did he ok them at some point?


_drjayphd_

Cue Daniel Garcia from the Bunny's most recent vlog indignantly insisting *he's* actually 6'.


callmecyke

😢


Bystronicman08

Geeze, is this same dumb joke going to be made in every single Satnam thread? It's old and repetitive already.


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undertalemisfit

does anyone know his shoot height?


vinnyv91

I believe they are 2 feet apart, Singh being 7'3" and Gresham 5'3"


NotYujiroTakahashi

New format confirmed


we360you45

[Same energy](https://i.imgur.com/JKLojOV.jpeg)


IAmAZombieDogAMA

Every time I see this he gets smaller


we360you45

That's what playing league for 12 hours a day does to a man.


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same species.


RelativeStranger

He could knee him in the face by stepping forward


Theons-Sausage

Someone tweet this to Anthony Ogogo


Pylons

That was a *much* better debut for Satnam.


King_Ant47

Agreed. Going to pretend the other debut didn’t happen now. Haha


asilvahalo

Yeah, my fiance and I immediately agreed that they should have just introduced him here, like this.


plzsnitskyreturn

Quit bragging about your fiance I watch wrestling with ma used flesh light and a pint of cherry garcia


establismentsad7661

You wouldn’t know his fiancé anyways. They go to a different school


MYO716

Alright we’ll then how did the cherry garcia feel about his debut?


Sylverstone14

Looked dominant taking out Castle/The Boys, was fucking massive compared to Gresham, and it established his spot as the muscle in this trio with Sonjay and Jay Lethal.


Bigboi88888

Im sorry seeing Satnam and Gresham face to face was hilarious.


TheChrisDV

> Im sorry seeing Satnam and Gresham face to stomach was hilarious. FTFY.


Sneaky_Santiago

More like face to crotch


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that RULED. 10000% better way to showcase Satnam Singh than last week. he looked bloody awesome


666tranquilo

Kudos to Tony because his actual debut was only a few days ago. Tony admitted it sucked on Busted Open the day after Dynamite and then followed up with a proper debut the next night during the BOTB2 taping. He wasted no time redeeming himself


Teeth_Crook

Eh, he looks nice visually. But every move he does looks like it has 0 force / effort in it. Both times he’s thrown someone into the stairs he has absolutely no energy behind it. It’s like he’s not following thru on the throw or choke slams.


Viruszero

I think that's by design though. The Chokeslams weren't even really that. He picked them up and then let them drop, commentary even says as much, which is fine for someone of his size. The stair throw, I think what they're trying to get across is that he doesn't try to throw them, he tosses full men the way you would non-chalantly toss a ball out of your way. I agree that it doesn't really work for making it look impactful though.


kindlyfuckoffff

He actually moved with the double chokeslam. I mean, any wrestling move can fall apart when you overanalyze it, but the “he doesn’t need to put effort into the stairs throws because big” just looks like shit in both attempts.


Timqwe

If it's by design, it should look more nonchalant. It should either look like he's swatting a fly, or throwing something full force. Right now it looks like he just sucks at throwing people. (Just the steps bit, I thought the rest lookee fine)


establismentsad7661

I’m sure he’s a.) nervous and b.) green as shit. Just doesn’t want to hurt anyone. Big guys like that who aren’t assholes have to learn to be extra gentle with things. When you’re growing up and you’re two feet taller than your classmates you learn the value of a “soft touch.” Exceptionally useful in basketball. Tall people really are built for basketball.


Teeth_Crook

I don’t disagree/not bashing the dude. Just feel like maybe those little fundamentals could be tighter before putting someone up on tv to perform.


establismentsad7661

Well certainly. I wouldn’t have debuted either until he was more ready but the genie is already out of the bottle. It’s unfair to him really. When you’ve set the bar on in ring standards where AEW has it extra exposes those who are new or not very good. He’s gonna wrestle someone like Eddie Kingston who is going to tell him to just hit him for real.


ArcherChase

Basketball also takes some of the most athleticism and body control of any professional sport because once you're 6'7" and up, you're already a genetic freak. Its not easy to do what they do. Joel Embiid is a current example and hope he retires with a handful of titles and MVP awards and gets a few years of being a wrestler in!


starsandbribes

That was a smart way of getting the visual of Singh and Gresham without burying the latter. It was Jay Lethal who ultimately got the first move in on Gresham which is fine as his current rival.


godleftmefinished

signh looked so much better her


TheBrianJ

Now THIS is a fucking debut.


they_did_WHAT_

Love how fluid the title picture in ROH is right now. All three singles belts feel very very important.


wgsmeister2002

Gresham has bought the world title literally everywhere it’s incredible


establismentsad7661

While I partially agree with you I just think there are too many belts. Too many belts everywhere. Everyone is a six time champion of something or another with another few reigns scattered throughout. It’s like when wcw invaded and there was almost as many titles as wrestlers


jizzmcskeet

Don’t worry after they do the brand split and the draft, it should all fix…


KikiFlowers

I honestly think Singh could be a pretty decent wrestler given time. His debut was bad, but he looks much better here. AEW has a lot of good folks running the developmental side, if he's going to work whatever they do with ROH he'll be fine.


godleftmefinished

he has the makings of a great big man, him vs gresham could be a perfect david and goliath story


KikiFlowers

Pairing him with Jay Lethal is the right move, Lethal is an experienced vet.


_BetterRedThanDead

Also Sonjay Dutt's probably the greatest Indian-origin pro wrestler of all time. He's in good hands.


KikiFlowers

Yeah he has some great vets by his side, he'll definitely be fine.


TheDude1321

One thing he has going for him is the fact that he is coordinated enough to get drafted into the NBA, which means he may move like a big guy, but at least he will move like a functional big guy more than just being big for the sake of being big.


scisorkick

I am curious though what the scouting process was that led him to getting drafted (beyond Dallas going “Wow this guy is super tall. Let’s take a shot with him). I saw this because he finished his G League career with more fouls than he did points (43 to 42).


establismentsad7661

He’s Indian Omos. I’ve enjoyed Omos, limitations and all, so far. Bodes well for Singh I suppose.


kporter4692

I mean it’s already been beat to death in the comments but I will echo this was much better than Wednesday’s debut.


thewhisperingjoker

This is the canon debut now lol. He looked great. He looked relatively mobile and showed some emotion.


establismentsad7661

This is one of those times where AEW can learn from wwe’s revisionist history. This level of thing is fine. If they go back and pretend Cody was never there they’ve gone too far


Lucstar88

That's why I trust AEW to do good after a fuck up. Singh looked pretty good here. Just that visual between him and Gresham holy shit.


Loss_Bandage

That is why the IWC going berserk about AEW being off the rails the last few days cause of one ending was just stupid. AEW always fixes things. They would have with Cody too but Cody had other ideas.


TheKareemofWheat

I mean I get it in a way. AEW has a very good track record high quality that when they make a mistake it sticks out like a sore thumb. That being said, I think it's great that the fans hold the company to such high standards


Viruszero

This, like I sometimes gen tired of how much people will harp on a single mistake, but at the same time it's a great sign that people are used to getting a high quality product. WWE, which I will say right now is doing a lot of really good things, for so long was treated with a "Well it was bad, but it's WWE." which is what I think any promotion wants to avoid.


ArcherChase

There needs to be the balance of holding company accountable to the fans with constructive criticism and pointing out where to "tighten the screws" and then the knee jerk internet rage of idiots being idiots. I'd like to think that this should give people a reason to "let things play out" with a company who has a strong track record of doing things right for the most part.


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Sometimes I don't get the core AEW audience online. I absolutely loved Satnam's debut Wednesday. I almost feel if it was November 1990 the Smarks would say "Who is this Undertaker? LOL the audience doesn't even know who he is...what a terrible debut". I always love big giant surprise debuts. Cody wise, it felt like Tony gave him way too much free reign to come up with his own segments/storylines, which often backfired. Until Cody got fed up with the fans not treating him like 80's all American Hulk Hogan. Least for now Cody can bask in the theatrical fan adulation he felt he lacked in AEW.


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I mean, I was still a kid at the time, but I'd seen him as Mark Callous in WCW and was still blown away by him as The Undertaker. I've rewatched his first few matches recently and it's incredible just how much presence he had, and how different he looked from the norm. I suspect it would have gone more like Malakai Black's AEW debut, with most people enjoying it.


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I wish it was still on youtube, but I remember on tv Sting vs. Mean Mark. It's not quite "The Undertaker vs Sting" dream match people wanted but as closest as we'd get. The Undertaker debut felt like the first "serious" over the top characters at the ending of the "Golden Era". Before then heels were pretty goofy. Speaking of Satnam Singh, I remember first seeing El Gigante/Giant Gonzales and literally thinking he was eight foot tall. Didn't realize height in kayfabe wrestling was often exaggerated(tho Satnam seems like a legit 7'3)


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Yeah I remember him too, from WCW before WWF. Wasn't he about 7'8 in reality? Hopefully Satnam is better than him!


establismentsad7661

Never in my life have I seen a company cater to fan complaints as much as AEW. Don’t mean this in a bad way. It’s shocking to see a billionaire listen to his customers to this degree. It’s honestly fantastic customer service. Sure we won’t agree on everything but there’s typically a general consensus on how people feel about something. AEW will say “opps” and finesse it into better shape. Wwe will just double down and tell you you like it fuck you. For instance, Roman’s seven mania main events.


Mcfroman

This was a really cool like ROH showcase, really hope they have some kind of TV deal.


Gravecrawler

That was fun. Definitely better impression to leave.


pluginmatty

This whole soft launch for ROH is actually working pretty well. We now know who holds the belts and who we're supposed to cheer for, which is all you can really ask when launching/relaunching a promotion. Good work by all involved. (And an infinitely better introduction for Satnam Singh)


ArcherChase

I found the match and aftermath, and Rampage match for the TV Title to be an effective as for the potential weekly show. Any chance that could be the Big Announcement on Dynamite?


SeanOuttaCompton

He was about to hit an honest to god move then Joe had to come out way to blue ball me >:(


FrontAd683

That powerbomb would have been like falling out of a 3rd story window. I really hope thats his finish, if he could pull it off safely. The jacknife would be perfect


SeanOuttaCompton

God I want to see him hit it on Fuego he will sell it like death lmao


nWoDisciple

# **DALTON CASTLE IS AMAZING**


Labor101

So much better than how it was done on Dynamite. I really enjoyed this.


Celtic_Crown

This was how they should've debuted him.


godownaslovers

i’m rooting for satnam after this. i really hope dude is good


FrontAd683

Me too, he seemed to move about pretty well for a 7ft+ dude


DamieN62

That's more like it. Much better than the Dynamite overrun.


HomieDontDeanThis_

Joe is so fucking cool


NotQute

Lots of ROH stuff being set up, hope they get thier own show soon


Infinite-Bit-7498

much better!!!!!! now that how you do it


Known-Ad7468

Samoa Joe is such a great signing. Give him the mic!!!!


The_Albinoss

Damn fine course correction.


nianderwaltz

Singh is too tall, Gresham is too small


Thecp015

I hadn’t seen Gresham wrestle before Supercard, but between that match v Bandido and tonight he’s impressed the hell out of me. Also, the Lethal Injection is one of my least favorite finishers. You took the best part of the cutter, the surprise element, and turned it into a damn rope rebound handspring? Lame…


bigpig1054

Gresham was eyeball to belly button with him! I wouldn't advocate making the big man lose so quickly, but what a David vs Goliath type victory that would be for the champ


SanX1999

This is exactly why I didn't like Gresham as top champ of RoH, he is too short.


Downtown_Club_5633

Why would you do that to Gresham, makes him look like a chump


NeilNazzer

Seems Singh is going to be involved with Lethal\\Dutt\\ ROH stuff. Can't wait until they get their own show so I don't have to see this Giant Gonzalez rip off on my tv


crion_jb

Much better intro for Satnam. His moves didn't look great because I suspect he's not confident he can do them without hurting guys yet -- those first chokeslams on the boys were pretty rough, and nothing he did after that even approached them, notably the much safer very similar spot with Gresham. He'll need to get that confidence soon unless they plan to drag this out forever, though.


gredgex

Imagine if he squashed Gresham for the title lmao I would love that.


RomansRedditAcc

So TK hires Jay Lethal then figures out he didn't really have a place for him so he buys ROH just so Jay has some meat to work with. You ain't fooling anyone TK.


TheChrisLambert

I hate AEW’s Twitter clips. They’re puny


wordyravena

Make this man champion. Now.


xGwiZ96x

Dude this ending made Satnam Singh look SO promising. Even after the flat reveal on Wednesday, this caught my interest super quick! He looked fluid doing moves (minus that one edit throwing Moriarty into the ropes), his mannerisms were on point, his character and personality is coming out, and things are actually showing to look promising! He isn't afraid of Joe and only dipped because Dutt and Lethal were holding him back and even after leaving the ring, he wanted a piece of Joe saying he's done. This impact wouldn't have had the same effect if he didn't debut on Wednesday so I like where this is going. Satnam debuting tonight would've had a different feel but the way they're realizing their wrongs is also a good sign! Not every perfect piece is made on the first shot.


dec92010

he practically even with the top rope from the floor lol holy shit


matt_the_hypebeast

wow this was awesome they made him look like a monster here hope his run goes well


NerdLawyer55

Singh and Gresham looked like me and my 2 year old wrestling around


wizardswrath00

Singh still does absolutely nothing for me personally, but this was a *much* better showing. Goddamn is that motherfucker tall.


establismentsad7661

“First nba player in nba history to Dallas maverick” Never change taz


Nickweed

Uh, he said “first Indian player..”


ollyollyollyoioioi

To say that is Satnam's second appearance, he looked like he'd been doing it for years. I don't understand Jay Lethal though, there isn't really a story behind it