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MilesNinetyThree

Doesn’t get any easier OP. 785HRS and I still do this 🤦🏻‍♂️


Sozo_Agonai

Well to be fair I'm sure we're both pretty conditioned at this point. I put thousands of hours into fallout 3, New Vegas, and 4.. I'm sure with you coming up on 800 hours you're in the same boat. Maybe one day muscle memory will finally be overwritten. I doubt it though I still come back to the fallout games every couple months it seems lol


MilesNinetyThree

Exactly the same for me. I took a break from SF and binged playthroughs of FO3, FONV then FO4 now I’m back on SF.. shoot me 😄


Sozo_Agonai

I had just started a new playthrough on fallout 3 was about 20 hours in but decided to put it in the backseat for now since we can play with mods now. I'm having fun and all mods are great but honestly I might just jump back into fallout 3 for a couple weeks until we get some heavier better mods out.


MilesNinetyThree

Definitely do that but remember, don’t press B when you return 😜😅


Sozo_Agonai

My luck my dumbass will start hitting start every time I want to open my Pip-Boy now lol


wedloxk

🤣🤣🤣


Sozo_Agonai

I initially wanted to jump back into a modded playthrough for fallout 4 since I've been putting it off for a while waiting for the next Gen update but sadly but the last update it broke a lot of mods especially ones that touched NPCs. My original plan was to play a nice long play through a fallout 4 modded and wait for a good stack of starfield mods to come out.. kind of let down but it'll be fixed eventually.


Stunning-Ad-7745

That was my plan too, but after having to let a few mods go that I didn't want to, and spending almost a month curating and testing my LO, I ended up burning myself out. Guess it all worked out though, I finally got through The Witcher 3 plus the first DLC, and now Shadow of The Erdtree is coming out in a few days, so I've obviously gotta roll another character for one last journey into The Lands Between. I do need to get back on and at least screenshot my latest LO though, I'd hate to lose all of that work to an unannounced update, or a mod getting taken down.


Sozo_Agonai

Hell yeah which is a good game and man am I excited for the elden ring DLC. So much speculation so many theories can't wait to jump in and find out what's going on. The one thing I really do love about starfield modding as you can save load orders now which is fucking awesome. Really hoping and wishing they will do the same for fallout 4 and maybe even Skyrim. The ability to switch between load orders like it's just a regular save would be absolutely awesome. I like starfield but honestly fallout will always be my favorite game.. fallout 3, fallout new vegas, and fallout 4. Fallout 4 with mods that's probably the most fun I've had playing any game. I don't know what it is I try so hard to keep interested in starfield and it's a great game and all absolutely love it but it is absolutely nothing compared to fallout in my opinion.


crowmagnuman

Aunt B could do us a favor on FO5 and designate the 'start' button for the pipboy.


Sozo_Agonai

I honestly wouldn't mind that at all at long as the Pip-Boy starts the same.


calsnowskier

And almost place an outpost beacon…


Sozo_Agonai

Shit I'm still constantly hitting the left bumper attempting to open VATS lol


calsnowskier

To be fair, your scanner is pretty much a poor-man’s VATS And my left bumper is pretty much dead now because of my constant VATS spamming in 4 and 76. I took my controller apart and took out the little plastic “shield”, but I still have to dance with bumper sometimes to get it to respond.


Haikubaiku

Honestly the watch was such a wasted opportunity. They coulda had an animation like in fallout of lifting your arm to look at the watch and it would have been so much better. I hate the menu.


Whiteguy1x

I think it's okay.  I dislike parts of it.  I don't like the power menu.  I do however like the inventory and having a model of our character.  I also like having a "new" section. I don't know that they need to copy the pipboy style ui, as honestly it's not good in fallout it's just a cool look.


MushroomSharp9609

well i would argue that it not being “good” in fallout is kinda its charm. like it’s a shitty computer on your wrist in a nuclear wasteland


LONER18

Having it sync to your hud like the Division does for their watch would have been super cool. They could have even done the map similarly (a 3d projection around the player)


WAST_OD

I think the part of the hud that displays the planets time and environment shouldn’t be on the screen but rather you pulling up your watch to check it. Otherwise I thing the separate Menü for travel, inventory, and so on is fine and helps distinguish the game from fallout, which I think is important.


Bountsie

When I played Starfield for the first time, I had trouble understanding how the menu and inventory worked as it felt confusing and dysfunctional. Especially from Bethesda's other games it just seemed too different from their usual designs and layout.


the_revised_pratchet

Its the key controls for me, feels less intuitive because of the multifunction aspect. Sometimes short press, sometimes long, 'O' to repair ship but if you have no ship parts how about we boot you to photo mode instead. 'E' to cycle targets but mid combat you held it down too long so let's go for a walk out of the cockpit.


Bountsie

Exactly this, too many multifunctions for so many things in the game that it feels cluttered.


Sozo_Agonai

Agreed.. the menu just feels all over the place. I love survival and other Bethesda games and kind of like it in this one but having to press so many buttons just to get to my aid items and then having to dig through unsorted aid items when there's so many different types really sucks. They definitely missed an opportunity of having a nice simple Pip-Boy like watch feature. I would have much rather have had that. Hopefully some modders can do something about it though. There's no doubt in my mind somebody's eventually going to fix that wasted opportunity.


BloodMethAndTears

Just favourite your aid items, problem solved 😁


Sozo_Agonai

Yeah that's not going to work.. Food alone wouldn't have nearly enough space for favorites let alone drinks, healing, buffs, and status effect items.


BloodMethAndTears

Fine


Cheshire_Jester

Hey, at least they tricked some people into buying a terrible watch that has a straight up shoe horned connection to the game.


Sea-Warning-3188

1960 america tech > Galactic tech apparently


MirandaScribes

The mod that has my watch always appear on and the mod that allows me to be in plain clothes in my ship have been great. When the game first launched, I had expectations of watches being more like “rings” were in elder scrolls games where we can find new ones with new bonuses and stuff. I was sorely disappointed that I couldn’t even see the watch on my wrist. At least I can see it now.


TheGreatBenjie

You want the menu interface to be in that tiny circle? Doesn't sound great to me imo


starfeetstudio

Fr. The menu is clunky. No favorite wheel also is bad


Call_The_Banners

I'm the exact opposite. I don't require a diegtic reason for why a menu appears before my sight. And while the menu system in Starfield isn't *amazing* by any means, it uses up the full screen and doesn't have the dead space that a Pip-boy has. ^(The Aid items category really frustrates me) I also dislike how the Pip-boy physicallu affects any clothing or armor I wear (especially power armor in FO3/NV). A watch would be *far* less obstructive but I wonder how they'd incorporate the animation when my space suit or armor covers the wrist. However this opinion of mine only reaches as far as a BGS title. I'm just not a fan of how they incorporate in-universe devices. If we were to speak of other games I would have plenty of caveats to my beliefs (such as Metro Exodus or Dead Space). I suppose I'm just not a fan of BGS's approach.


Dinsy_Crow

I've been switching between FO4 and Starfield recently and there's always a bit of a transitionary period where I forget the controls... I should just rebind one of them so both match.


Cloud_N0ne

B? Who uses B?! EDIT: Ooooh, i forgot Xbox has a B button


Sozo_Agonai

Yeah I'm noticing a few people who play on PC are looking at this post thinking I'm a monster lol. Who the fuck uses B!?


Medason

Only an absolute savage would use the b key for the pipboy.


OnyxianRosethorn

I do it too, if the game didn't feel like Fallout in space so much, I probably would be better accustomed to it. Then again, Skyrim's inventory opens up by pressing B too..


Sozo_Agonai

I don't mind the change of the button so much as I dislike the way the inventory system and everything is. It feels unfinished almost like a placeholder like somebody said in another comment they missed a huge opportunity not actually utilizing the watch itself like the Pip-Boy.


Ashamed_Grape7683

That and VATS


Nalha_Saldana

I don't mind VATS being a fallout thing, this game works well without it.


Refute1650

Phased Time is basically VATS


MarkusB81

I use the superior Tab key.


Chevalitron

Except for when the game decides randomly that Tab will pause the game because it thinks you shouldn't be able to access your inventory within 3 seconds of doing something else.


iSmokeMDMA

That is indeed bullshit and I can’t believe the devs overlooked that. Love this game but what the fuck


CellWrong

Omg yes, I'm constantly doing the crouch dance of shame until I realize it doesn't work. I swear that watch was just a marketing gimmick.


BipedClub684000

Me: Press B Game: Nothing happens Me "Why no menu?"


Similar_Ad2094

I tend to try and boost pack the first few moments of fo4 or fo3 when I switch between starfield and fallout.


Nalha_Saldana

But it's on your lower left screen all the time :P


rac-attack

All the time


crowmagnuman

And I also tend to do a polite little curtsey when leaving a vendor.


Sozo_Agonai

Better make sure they know it's a courtesy.. lol


GalaxyStrong

Do you know a pit boy would be kind of a cool mod to make for Starfield


GrimZim

Now we need a “Pip-boy” constellation watch mod to fix that issue!


Sozo_Agonai

Fuck yeah man.. me and some other guy in the comments were talking about what a wasted opportunity it was to implement that watch open the lodge door with it and then never do anything with it again. I get that it's the radar on the bottom left but still such a wasted opportunity.


subbub99

🤣🤣 was just thinking of this earlier cause I kept doing it. Laughing at first then it started pissing me off 🤣


BintendoMan

Hand up, I still press B like crazy. Doesn’t help that I’m doing a plat run on FO4 on PS5.


seberplanet

I expected the game to have something like a mobiglass from SC when i first started, coming from FO4...anyway I was used to hitting TAB and works here as well!


Ghost403

Every damn day


HorrorPhone3601

From time to time


ThemanwhohatesSpez

in certain games, yes


WishDisastrous1645

I’m an idiot and had my key binds all crazy for FO4, so my Pip-Boy is usually my LB… which translates to being my grenade key bind on Starfield lol. Needless to say, I have to pay off a lot of bounties from accidental explosions 😅


LordByronsCup

Yep.


continius

I dont know what "B" does, but i constantly press Q on my keyboard to open VATS.


Sigma_Games

I mean, I've never used B for my Pip-Boy button, but I do still hit Tab to bring it up.


Whiskey079

I used to remap it to RS - for any Bethesda RPG I've played on console, really. It was one of the first setting changes I made for my 1st playthrough, that being said - now I'm playing on pc, that's less of an issue.


budderboat

Yup came back to starfield after rediscovering my love for fallout and I just keep trying to open the pip boy for my menus, it’s a curse


Son0fHecate

Last year, I went from Skyrim to Hogwarts Legacy, and it took me so long to break the habit of pressing B to open the menu, even though Skyrim is the only game I have ever played which has B as a menu.


Cloud_Striker

For me it's more constantly opening my scanner when trying to sneak.


iWentRogue

I was playing a lot of fallout 4 in the lead up to starfield and i like using the same button config for bethesda games. This time however the button thats supposed to bring up the menu, changes my perspective. Still getting used to it lol


supergarr

Idk, but the pipboy is the tab key on PC and I frequently use tab for the overall menu. But I also use hot keys for map, inventory, ship cargo, powers menu and mission menu.


DaemonAnguis

Yes I constantly hit LB for V.A.T.S too. lol


TegridyKrach

Never I always mapped my pip boy to Y.


HarryLamp

I had long ago re-mapped my Fallout buttons, so B is always stealth, so no worries for me.


ComplexJoker

Only all the time


AlexSergeevich

No, but I am constantly trying to exit scanning mode by hitting B. Switches to the photo capturing mode, and buttons cannot be remapped.


Mindless_Toe3139

Definitely. AND after going to Starfield from F4 I get my action and jump button mixed up every single time.


SotRekkr

Yup. All the time.


JamingtonPro

Yes, and now I try to hit my boost pack after a jump in Fallout 😫


ScottMuybridgeCorpse

I still hit V for VATS sometimes. Especially when the combat is tough.


Holdmywhiskeyhun

No but every time I'm done buying shit, I spam b to exit, but just ends up with me bowing to them instead.


sammeadows

Someday I hope someone makes a mod to make the watch provide a holographic projection of a pipboy-esque user interface for your inventory and some other stuff. You can still use the normal menus but having the holographic watch menu would be pretty sick.


Khancap123

What was the point if the smart watch? I know you need it to get into the lodge, but was it intended to be like a pip boy, and then got abandoned? I don't see the point as it stands


Lady_bro_ac

Constantly


Putrid-Enthusiasm190

Oh I've tried to activate VATS for so many Starfield fights


DarthJediWolfe

My issue is switching back to games like Fortnite and forget I dont have a jetpack anymore.


Whit3d3v1l

I do.


Whoreson-senior

Yes, but it's not as bad as me hitting X to reload in Skyrim.


Coast_watcher

Yes omg, why couldn’t they have consistent controller mapping lol On the opposite end, I go back to 4 or 76 and hit B to sneak and pull up the pip boy instead. The flashlight and power armor head lamp controls confuse me now too.


Mindless-Share

No


zacsydhan

I have a slightly different curse… In FO4 I always remapped it to Select, with crouch/sneak being B and RS changing the camera. So now I keep pressing Select for my inventory and changing the camera instead 😅


Mizar97

Surprisingly I don't. But I constantly hit the right analog stick to crouch, forgetting that it's B. (I play on PC but use an Xbox SX controller)


Xrystian90

I tried playing a little bit of skyrim the other day... near impossible! Not just the controls being different... i kept jumping off of cliffs and getting halfway down before realising im not wearing a boostpack....


TrueComplaint8847

Ngl I wish the menu was somehow done pipboy like, it feels really weird to manoeuvre especially with a controller


Nihi1986

I'm surprised the watch is completely useless, I feel like it was supposed to be similar to the pipboy but they didn't find a way to make it make sense with the UI and scrapped the idea.


bughunter47

I hit tab on PC...but yes...


Aardvark1044

It took me awhile to stop doing that but at this point I probably have more hours in Starfield than FO4. But combine FO3 and FONV to the FO4 number and I probably have a long way to go yet.


andretheclient_

They basically just cloned fallouts game mechanics and ui so yeah sure


Sturgeondtd

God I wish they had pipboys


Silver-Ad2257

Every time I go from fallout to Starfield I end up doing a lot of squatting. 😅


marx0012

Sometimes I try to use Vats!


IakeemV

I just replaced the bindings for the Scanner to the B button & the power to LB + RB Sprint, Crouch, & POV switch all Match Fallout 4’s control scheme as well I will say I wish I didn’t need a mod that disables achievements in order to see the watch on my player character’s wrist like the Pip-Boy


thefisher86

100%


MidnightTL

YES! I’m so mad that I cannot swap that binding out. It’s drives me crazy.


heyuhitsyaboi

Starfield's control scheme actually aligned with the custom keybinds ive been setting for fallout and ESO for like 15 years, i never considered this lol


angel1573

I swapped my key commands to pull up the scanner when I hit the key for pipboy (more recently Fo76) and it helped immensely lol


Lukacris12

I didnt until recently when i replayed new vegas


RuneiStillwater

Pipboy was B? Or do you mean on controller? I always remember it being tab on keyboard. As for trying to bring it up, "no, I guess" I have a tendency to just hit the hot keys for inventory, map, or skills.


Lotabatta

I love how alot of ppl thought this was gonna be a new ver of a pip boy for another game but when it came out it was just a nope nvm lol


Forsworn91

Given the build up around that watch I was expecting to do something with it. It does also still show, Starfield needs a VATS, it needed a kill cam or something, in fallout or Skyrim you get those moments that make you feel bad ass, Starfield just… feels lacking without the equivalent.


Balikye

Holy shit, yes.... It's gotten to the point that I keep considering to change B to menu, instead of crouch.


milkasaurs

Yup, I keep pressing tab.


Samurix16

Yes


REALkrazium

absolutely !


crlcan81

Oh God the constant muscle memory switch between all the Bethesda games let alone is so frustrating.


Klutzy_Category_3955

Yes, anyone else hit the wrong jump button or forget they don’t have a boost pack when you switch too fallout.


InitialDTrump

i wish it appeared on your wrist in game biggest gripe with the game imo


Big-LeBoneski

I really wanted the watch to have more functionality


Ph__drums

Yes


Stunning-Ad-7745

Yes, and I hate that you can't bind it.


AnxietyAvailable

I have remapped my pipboy a few years back


Difnull

Swapping between this and 76 lately, I keep hitting X when trying to use a vendor


Ok_Explanation3504

YES and then I hold it down for my flashlight.


BiggusM

Is there a mod for a pip-boy style menu yet?


Sozo_Agonai

As far as I know there are no menu mods on Xbox yet. I'm not sure about PC though.


Daedric_Agent

The watch makes sense for your health etc, but a scanner too, kinda ridiculous. Anyone else run while holding your watch in front of your face a presumably scanning the area in front of you through the watch face? Could’ve been better option for that.


YesteryearGG

No but I've been playing Skyrim and pressing the start menu to open up my inventory lol. Was actually surprised how different the controls were from starfield


_TheRogue_

Yuuuuup. 100% this. I hop back and forth from Starfield to FO76 and I'm constantly trying to open my Pip-Boy.


Confident_Target2892

Don't , I'm addicted to fallout and the only way I pull it up is b I tried to change controls but just no


Party_Historian2610

Yes. And then I go back to Fallout and hit start to open the pipboy.


AetheriumMantis

Yes. Yes I do


Big_Gulps_Welpp

Dont even get me started. Between that and firing my cutter at an alien because I didn’t toggle out of scan mode idk which is worse lol


BigKidGoblin

No, lol


AZULDEFILER

Controls in F04 > Starfield


WlNST0N

Assign scanner to b then you get the classic hold b flash light.


KnightsOnIce

No, because I’m wholly aware this is not Fallout.


Sozo_Agonai

No shit. I don't think any of us are confusing this game with fallout. I'm talking about the people who have put way more hours into fallout and are you still opening the menu/inventory with B


notKomithEr

no, I don't even have B bind to anything


Bomberherald

OH MY GOD YES! But in Fallout 4 I constantly press B to crouch and open the Pipboy 🤷‍♂️😂


Whiteguy1x

Switching between 76 and starfield makes this a problem for me.  I'm good if I only play one, but the second I Switch to an older game I get messed up for a day


Blue_taco13

Same but now if played so much fallout 76 that when I play fallout 4 I always press this one Butten to open the map but then I always forget that I have to do this over the Pip-Boy


Gardakkan

Why complain? You see the watch on the bottom left every time you open the scanner. edit: they just didn't do an animation like they did for the pip boy.


Separate-Score-7898

Nope because I don’t play this trash game. Honestly bewildered this sub is active or even exists. So many better games out there


john_clauseau

"B" ? lol


Sozo_Agonai

The B button on Xbox


left4candy

Pip-boy is Tab, no?


Sozo_Agonai

Yes for PC it is. I'm talking about Xbox though.


left4candy

Had a feeling it was xbox, but "B" kinda threw me off as their previous games had the pip-boy on the "Select' near the right thumbstick?


TheGreatBenjie

It's been B since 3 dude


left4candy

Damn, feels like an odd button?


TheGreatBenjie

Maybe? I guess it depends on what games you're used to, Skyrim had the menu on B as well.


left4candy

Really have no memory of that, what the hell


TheGreatBenjie

Is it possible you changed it and forgot?


left4candy

Don't think so, never mess around with keymaps except on PC.


TheGreatBenjie

Well...I dunno what to tell you then man lol


OccultStoner

Nope. But you can mod-in Pipboy - problem solved.