Mena makes Blanka look like the only s tier character in the game. Absolute steamroller in the finals against Kakeru (who I was hoping would put up a better fight).
The english stream is a "watch party" jumping between games, mostly focusing on finals for every title so I don't know how much SF6 they streamed. I'd just watch the Japanese stream for Day 2 Round 4 matches
This was my first time watching Evo Japan and it has been complete ass so far. Theres been zero hype and you can’t even watch 99% of the matches. Long ad breaks and randomly switching to other games and then switching back. Going from Redbull Kumite to this is crazy. 😭
EVO Japan improved a lot of its attendees this year but clearly still has a long way to go for spectators (to put it nicely). It's such a shame year after year because the quality of the matches on average is way higher than any other open tournament
https://www.start.gg/tournament/evo-japan-2024-presented-by-rohto/event/evo-japan-2024-street-fighter-6-2/brackets/1636338/2442833
Top 6 (bracket on website not updated for top 6) -> https://twitter.com/ft_toriaka/status/1784533756424151191
Winners
* MenaRD (C-Luke/Blanka/JP)
* Ryukichi (C-Ken)
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* Lexx (C-Guile)
* VXbao (C-JP)
Losers
* Kakeru (C-JP)
* ~~两两 (says Liang in Chinese translator) (stream lists as "Tomatoman") (C-Blanka?)~~ , Lost to Kakeru
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* Moke (C-Chun)
* ~~Xiaohai (C-Ken?, >!placed 2nd at KOFXV with Geese/Benimaru/Isla!<)~~, lost to Moke
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Of the Top 24 bracket for Modern characters used in this tournament, Tachikawa placed the highest using Ed who lost to VXbao (C-JP) and Problem-X (???).
4 best Cammy players in the world and the best we could get is top96 with 0 matches won there. And according to the recent narratives she is like top3(if not top1) character and cheap af. Sadly only bad players use her, otherwise it wouldn't fit those narratives, i guess? And Capcom will listen to those people and nerf her even more for season 2, so she can not win anything ever harder, smh.
Because i still yet to see Cammy win anything worthwhile or get anywhere near there at all. She is showing the worst result of all \*top tiers\*, but people still keep saying that she is like the cheapest and easiest character ever. Not my fault she literally can't win anything ever. I rly want to finally see things change for better, but i keep seeing such results over again T\_T
There were actually 2 Cammy’s in top 32 (1 in top 16) in evo Japan, and only one guile so there was more presence with Cammy than guile.
Also winning tourneys doesn’t make a character magically great, same as not winning tourneys don’t make characters bad. Dee jay hasn’t won a big tourney but I assume you think he is S+.
Juri won capcom cup and she didn’t magically become S+ tier.
Cammy is a top tier it is undeniable, her matchup spread is one of the best in the game, pressure is great, fast walk speed, best level 3 in the game and great buttons.
Guile representation wasn't as good, for example NuckleDu wasn't here and yet that Guile is in top6 now. At the same time Cammy was represented by pretty much top4 best players(i see Hurricane as top5). More players, all the best ones, and yet she showed muuuch worse result.
Dj showed better results throughout the year, from tournaments to CPT respresentation, while Cammy was represented by 1 guy that qualified from second place and NuckleDu who is actually Guile main.
I always saw Juri as top tier and never understood how people can downplay her, CPT showed her real colors. And apart from Uma, Nephew was in top16 too.
I think people overestimate Cammy's capabilities, as all that you described isn't anything special. A lot of characters fit to that description and usually they have much more. Cammy doesn't have anything \*the best\*, only \*one of\*, apart from maybe lvl3, but at the same time she has one of the worst lvl2 and you can argue that it's much better to have a broken lvl2 that you can use multiple times(blanka for example) than broken lvl3 that is just once per match thing. Her weaknesses are how straightforward and limited in options she is. There's only so much she can do to open you up and if it doesn't work there's no plan B, while actual top tiers can switch gears (like switch melee pressure to zoning or some setups, while Cammy can only attack you on mid-melee range with the simple hit\\throw mixup). It's enough in ranked, but for tournaments people are way too ready and it never works, no matter if you're Bravery or Punk. And i don't even think her matchup spread is that good either, people are afraid of her more than she actually deserves and most of the times when people say \*this is a favorable for Cammy MU\* she ends up losing anyway right after.
Anyway, too much text. I'm not trying to say that Cammy is trash, just that she is severely overrated. And recently there was a tierlist by FChamp+Bane+Wolfgang which i mostly agree on.
Dude cammy has the best dive kick in the game. I’m not sure where you’re coming from by saying the only tool she has that’s the clear best among the cast is her level 3. As is she has a great time moving into her most effective range and you’re ignoring her corner pressure which is insane. As a meaty option, 2HP is ridiculous in the corner because you have setups to make it naturally +4 on block I believe. The character is very strong and has all the tools to be a top tier. Her only glaring weakness is a slow drive rush
Her deivekick might be the best, but all divekicks are extremely nerfed now and it's very hard to use on high level, there's like 5 players in the world who can utilize it properly.
She has very limited tools to get into close range and all are basically the same attack pattern, there's no low or overhead or any kind of setup. Even Birds were talking that in some matchups you have to rely only on hooligan and it already makes things very bad.
Corner pressure isn't even a real topic here, since most characters have insane corner pressure, there's nothing special about Cammy's.
Just because dive kicks are worse in this game does not mean they are universally bad. Cammy’s TK dive kick is still a great neutral tool and there are definitely more than 5 people in the world that can utilize it properly. Also, yes corner pressure is a factor. What kind of fucking argument is that? She has a throw loop, a great plus on block normal which is easy to use in the corner, and TK dive kick is a great tool for blowing up opponent throw loops and for calling out the opponent’s delay tech. Yes, she does have a weakness, but she still has great strike/throw which you’re conveniently ignoring. Stop downplaying dude lol
They aren't the factor because most other characters can do the same, the point of conversation was Cammy having nothing special about her. On high level of play she is mostly full neutral wiff punish machine. There's no plan B for her, while other strong characters have most tools as strong, but plenty more on top of that. And that simplicity is the main reason why she can never win anything worthwhile. Unless Capcom rework her hooligan for 28th time, season 2 will be even worse for her.
I have quite literally listed out the reasons she is special and you chose to ignore them. You have achieved levels of downplay not seen since the Great Konakin Izumi. God speed on to your skill diff
These EVO Japan streams are a train wreck of other fighting games and infrequent SF6. I'm really disappointed. Hopefully the finals will be watchable unlike the semi-finals (top 24).
FGC tourney hosts should learn how to put on a show from Red Bull Kumite.
Edit: semi-finals and finals coverage was good. More than 26k live views online too.
[https://www.twitch.tv/evojapan01](https://www.twitch.tv/evojapan01)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qJVZO01IA8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qJVZO01IA8)
I'm not sure if you're serious but just in case, it's best to not ask players for pictures/autographs while they're about to play or right after they play. Many Japanese pros have dedicated times for fan meetings and such so that'd be the best occasion of course.
If you know the time they'll play then it's best to ask asap to not bother them when they need to focus up
Anyone else surprised not to see SnakeEyez competing? Not sure why he's constantly grinding (and bitching of course), if he's not going to compete? Weird.
According to their official website, English streams are:
[https://www.twitch.tv/animeilluminati](https://www.twitch.tv/animeilluminati)
[https://www.twitch.tv/evo](https://www.twitch.tv/evo)
[https://www.youtube.com/@EvoEvents/featured](https://www.youtube.com/@EvoEvents/featured)
You should add the seedings to the main post. They really disrespected some players with the seeding and had some odd bias in seeding random/unknown players real high.
There is an unknown Japanese player "ariken" who got seeded #10 over Punk. Has anyone else heard of him? I don't think he's ever played in any tournaments nor does he have any high level vods online. He def doesn't have any accomplishments in SF6 to warrant being seeded anywhere above Punk:
[https://www.start.gg/user/eff75fbc](https://www.start.gg/user/eff75fbc)
Ariken is a Japanese streamer who mains Dhalsim (I think around MR \~1900). I'd say he's a pretty decent player but definitely shouldn't be seeded higher than Punk. I'm sure ariken is confused as well.
Sounds contradictory because if I was to add raw seeding numbers to the post then I'd have to mention a lot of players that aren't actually notable in terms of results/level of play, which kinda gets in the way of acknowledging the players who have been doing well and deserve a mention (some snuck in but I believe I fixed it just now, might still add more JP high-level players later when it comes to MR too).
Not to mention the amount of work of going through all their seeds. Anyway Japanese tournaments are known for not having good seeding, it's a surprise when all the top players are even seeded... All things considered this is far from the worst we've seen.
Regarding Ariken: Yeah, he definitely should not be anywhere near close to a top 12 seed, afaik he's more of a personality. But there's nothing we can do because it's up to the Japanese organizers/administrators. I do what I can to focus on highlighting the competition
There's some kind of legal issues which prevents any larger payouts for events in Japan. I don't know the exact details but its related to regulations on gambling/gaming and (at the dismay of players) doesn't seem to want to change unfortunately.
If that's the case, I wonder why they didn't increase the prizes for other participants. Right now it looks like only the top 6 get any prize at all, and they're much smaller than 1st prize.
Even tougher to win this tournament than US Evo imo. The pool of talent from the Japanese side is just higher than it's ever been for SF. Gonna be fun to see..
We may not get them announced at all this time around but if they've got an Akuma-tier popular character at the end of the Season Pass it'd be good marketing.
Ah damn that's disappointing. Honda mains are scarce as it is, and we are yet to see one at a major tournament. Would be cool if Kubo pulled off an upset.
Mena makes Blanka look like the only s tier character in the game. Absolute steamroller in the finals against Kakeru (who I was hoping would put up a better fight).
MenaRD is absolutely inevitable. This dude never cracks
Kind of bummed I didn't see most of it
SF is a volatile 50/50 game between two players and in the end, MenaRD wins.
Common Blanka W
Shortest coffee break ever.
Don't talk to blanka players. Don't look at blanka players. Don't shake blanka players hands.
It's not Blanka players..it's just Mena
Holy shit Akuma
SF6 Top 6 starting after a break! https://www.twitch.tv/evo https://www.twitch.tv/evojapan01
So Akuma gameplay likely tomorrow and maybe some actual footage a week or two later. None this tease bullshit, just show some actual gameplay.
Did anyone see Punk drop his combo and then just quit playing and blamed it on his controller?
Sounds like Punk alright
Anyone have an english stream of day2 of SF6 pools? cant find a single one
The english stream is a "watch party" jumping between games, mostly focusing on finals for every title so I don't know how much SF6 they streamed. I'd just watch the Japanese stream for Day 2 Round 4 matches
Yeah thats what I am doing now on evojapan02 just hoping there was a vod w an english chat/commentary
This was my first time watching Evo Japan and it has been complete ass so far. Theres been zero hype and you can’t even watch 99% of the matches. Long ad breaks and randomly switching to other games and then switching back. Going from Redbull Kumite to this is crazy. 😭
The secret tech is to watch the streams of people who walk around the venue recording matches.
agreed, yep. Top 6 was hype with the 3 commentators at least though.
EVO Japan improved a lot of its attendees this year but clearly still has a long way to go for spectators (to put it nicely). It's such a shame year after year because the quality of the matches on average is way higher than any other open tournament
https://www.start.gg/tournament/evo-japan-2024-presented-by-rohto/event/evo-japan-2024-street-fighter-6-2/brackets/1636338/2442833 Top 6 (bracket on website not updated for top 6) -> https://twitter.com/ft_toriaka/status/1784533756424151191 Winners * MenaRD (C-Luke/Blanka/JP) * Ryukichi (C-Ken) --- * Lexx (C-Guile) * VXbao (C-JP) Losers * Kakeru (C-JP) * ~~两两 (says Liang in Chinese translator) (stream lists as "Tomatoman") (C-Blanka?)~~ , Lost to Kakeru --- * Moke (C-Chun) * ~~Xiaohai (C-Ken?, >!placed 2nd at KOFXV with Geese/Benimaru/Isla!<)~~, lost to Moke ---- Of the Top 24 bracket for Modern characters used in this tournament, Tachikawa placed the highest using Ed who lost to VXbao (C-JP) and Problem-X (???).
4 best Cammy players in the world and the best we could get is top96 with 0 matches won there. And according to the recent narratives she is like top3(if not top1) character and cheap af. Sadly only bad players use her, otherwise it wouldn't fit those narratives, i guess? And Capcom will listen to those people and nerf her even more for season 2, so she can not win anything ever harder, smh.
Why in every thread about anything you downplay Cammy whenever you can it’s crazy. Chill she’s top 5
Bro is the konakon izumi of Cammy lmao
Because i still yet to see Cammy win anything worthwhile or get anywhere near there at all. She is showing the worst result of all \*top tiers\*, but people still keep saying that she is like the cheapest and easiest character ever. Not my fault she literally can't win anything ever. I rly want to finally see things change for better, but i keep seeing such results over again T\_T
There were actually 2 Cammy’s in top 32 (1 in top 16) in evo Japan, and only one guile so there was more presence with Cammy than guile. Also winning tourneys doesn’t make a character magically great, same as not winning tourneys don’t make characters bad. Dee jay hasn’t won a big tourney but I assume you think he is S+. Juri won capcom cup and she didn’t magically become S+ tier. Cammy is a top tier it is undeniable, her matchup spread is one of the best in the game, pressure is great, fast walk speed, best level 3 in the game and great buttons.
Guile representation wasn't as good, for example NuckleDu wasn't here and yet that Guile is in top6 now. At the same time Cammy was represented by pretty much top4 best players(i see Hurricane as top5). More players, all the best ones, and yet she showed muuuch worse result. Dj showed better results throughout the year, from tournaments to CPT respresentation, while Cammy was represented by 1 guy that qualified from second place and NuckleDu who is actually Guile main. I always saw Juri as top tier and never understood how people can downplay her, CPT showed her real colors. And apart from Uma, Nephew was in top16 too. I think people overestimate Cammy's capabilities, as all that you described isn't anything special. A lot of characters fit to that description and usually they have much more. Cammy doesn't have anything \*the best\*, only \*one of\*, apart from maybe lvl3, but at the same time she has one of the worst lvl2 and you can argue that it's much better to have a broken lvl2 that you can use multiple times(blanka for example) than broken lvl3 that is just once per match thing. Her weaknesses are how straightforward and limited in options she is. There's only so much she can do to open you up and if it doesn't work there's no plan B, while actual top tiers can switch gears (like switch melee pressure to zoning or some setups, while Cammy can only attack you on mid-melee range with the simple hit\\throw mixup). It's enough in ranked, but for tournaments people are way too ready and it never works, no matter if you're Bravery or Punk. And i don't even think her matchup spread is that good either, people are afraid of her more than she actually deserves and most of the times when people say \*this is a favorable for Cammy MU\* she ends up losing anyway right after. Anyway, too much text. I'm not trying to say that Cammy is trash, just that she is severely overrated. And recently there was a tierlist by FChamp+Bane+Wolfgang which i mostly agree on.
Dude cammy has the best dive kick in the game. I’m not sure where you’re coming from by saying the only tool she has that’s the clear best among the cast is her level 3. As is she has a great time moving into her most effective range and you’re ignoring her corner pressure which is insane. As a meaty option, 2HP is ridiculous in the corner because you have setups to make it naturally +4 on block I believe. The character is very strong and has all the tools to be a top tier. Her only glaring weakness is a slow drive rush
Her deivekick might be the best, but all divekicks are extremely nerfed now and it's very hard to use on high level, there's like 5 players in the world who can utilize it properly. She has very limited tools to get into close range and all are basically the same attack pattern, there's no low or overhead or any kind of setup. Even Birds were talking that in some matchups you have to rely only on hooligan and it already makes things very bad. Corner pressure isn't even a real topic here, since most characters have insane corner pressure, there's nothing special about Cammy's.
Just because dive kicks are worse in this game does not mean they are universally bad. Cammy’s TK dive kick is still a great neutral tool and there are definitely more than 5 people in the world that can utilize it properly. Also, yes corner pressure is a factor. What kind of fucking argument is that? She has a throw loop, a great plus on block normal which is easy to use in the corner, and TK dive kick is a great tool for blowing up opponent throw loops and for calling out the opponent’s delay tech. Yes, she does have a weakness, but she still has great strike/throw which you’re conveniently ignoring. Stop downplaying dude lol
They aren't the factor because most other characters can do the same, the point of conversation was Cammy having nothing special about her. On high level of play she is mostly full neutral wiff punish machine. There's no plan B for her, while other strong characters have most tools as strong, but plenty more on top of that. And that simplicity is the main reason why she can never win anything worthwhile. Unless Capcom rework her hooligan for 28th time, season 2 will be even worse for her.
I have quite literally listed out the reasons she is special and you chose to ignore them. You have achieved levels of downplay not seen since the Great Konakin Izumi. God speed on to your skill diff
3 CN players in TOP 8 is impressive
I can't believe they didn't stream most of the top 32 matches.
These EVO Japan streams are a train wreck of other fighting games and infrequent SF6. I'm really disappointed. Hopefully the finals will be watchable unlike the semi-finals (top 24). FGC tourney hosts should learn how to put on a show from Red Bull Kumite. Edit: semi-finals and finals coverage was good. More than 26k live views online too. [https://www.twitch.tv/evojapan01](https://www.twitch.tv/evojapan01) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qJVZO01IA8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qJVZO01IA8)
UMA lost early :(
Round 2 (Top 1536) started on EVOJapan2: https://www.twitch.tv/evojapan02
Freaking pumped for my boy Hikaru!!!
Is Top 96 only going to be a couple of matches shown like on Day 1? Feels like a missed opportunity to see so little of the action
Day 1 was crazy hectic for every game, hopefully they can keep up with the schedules today
Do you think I would be able to ask hibiki for an autograph during pools? Is that BM?
I'm not sure if you're serious but just in case, it's best to not ask players for pictures/autographs while they're about to play or right after they play. Many Japanese pros have dedicated times for fan meetings and such so that'd be the best occasion of course. If you know the time they'll play then it's best to ask asap to not bother them when they need to focus up
Makes sense. I had seen people walking around in the pools area with signed plates that go in fightsticks so It made me wonder.
Hibiki, and moke. Ayeeee!! Is Babaaaa or Akutagawa in the tournament as well?
I didn't see either in the bracket, assuming they're not using a different tag
Hibiki is in the bracket. They play at 4pm today
Thanks!!!!
I'm sure OP meant Baba and Akutagawa, Hibiki is listed in the post
That's fine. That person answered another of my questions as well.
Ugh. I'm glad the Spinning Birds are getting shine. Hopefully, the Swan Lakes will triumph.
Anyone else surprised not to see SnakeEyez competing? Not sure why he's constantly grinding (and bitching of course), if he's not going to compete? Weird.
I think he knows he'll get washed and doesn't bother
I believe he’s said that Zangief isn’t good enough to try and compete with lol.
Considering the money he probably makes just by streaming I think you should be surprised when he makes it out to tournaments, not when he doesn't lol
Thanks. That is useful information!
I'm really hoping Endingwalker does well, I know he can but his bracket path seems pretty hard.
Hoping for a good showing from Momochi
I'm watching for the Gouki trailer.
According to their official website, English streams are: [https://www.twitch.tv/animeilluminati](https://www.twitch.tv/animeilluminati) [https://www.twitch.tv/evo](https://www.twitch.tv/evo) [https://www.youtube.com/@EvoEvents/featured](https://www.youtube.com/@EvoEvents/featured)
Adding to the main post, thanks
The kind of information I was looking for. Thank you!
Not in the list - Roxas \[Russia/Malaysia\] B153
Added to the APAC list since his startgg is set to Malaysia at the moment
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hope i can see jamie
Naruo and 77days will make it out of pools, I got a good feeling about it
In Europe this is a much better timezone than evo us. Excited to watch it.
I often just watch vods. It's best because I can skip the long time offs between sets and ads.
excited to watch this!
You should add the seedings to the main post. They really disrespected some players with the seeding and had some odd bias in seeding random/unknown players real high. There is an unknown Japanese player "ariken" who got seeded #10 over Punk. Has anyone else heard of him? I don't think he's ever played in any tournaments nor does he have any high level vods online. He def doesn't have any accomplishments in SF6 to warrant being seeded anywhere above Punk: [https://www.start.gg/user/eff75fbc](https://www.start.gg/user/eff75fbc)
That’s that home turf advantage
Ariken is a Japanese streamer who mains Dhalsim (I think around MR \~1900). I'd say he's a pretty decent player but definitely shouldn't be seeded higher than Punk. I'm sure ariken is confused as well.
Sounds contradictory because if I was to add raw seeding numbers to the post then I'd have to mention a lot of players that aren't actually notable in terms of results/level of play, which kinda gets in the way of acknowledging the players who have been doing well and deserve a mention (some snuck in but I believe I fixed it just now, might still add more JP high-level players later when it comes to MR too). Not to mention the amount of work of going through all their seeds. Anyway Japanese tournaments are known for not having good seeding, it's a surprise when all the top players are even seeded... All things considered this is far from the worst we've seen. Regarding Ariken: Yeah, he definitely should not be anywhere near close to a top 12 seed, afaik he's more of a personality. But there's nothing we can do because it's up to the Japanese organizers/administrators. I do what I can to focus on highlighting the competition
Kinda nutty that this is probably going to be the second most challenging SF6 tournament to win and the #1 prize is less than $7000.
There's some kind of legal issues which prevents any larger payouts for events in Japan. I don't know the exact details but its related to regulations on gambling/gaming and (at the dismay of players) doesn't seem to want to change unfortunately.
If that's the case, I wonder why they didn't increase the prizes for other participants. Right now it looks like only the top 6 get any prize at all, and they're much smaller than 1st prize.
The anti gamble laws are very strict so cash prizes are capped out or something like that. Pro gamers need to get a special license of some sort
That's why Okada and Ospreay signed with an American company.
The amount of players from Japan is insane (I get it's EVO Japan, but still)
Even tougher to win this tournament than US Evo imo. The pool of talent from the Japanese side is just higher than it's ever been for SF. Gonna be fun to see..
So hyped for this! Thank you u/Incross for all the details
Sad the Birds aren’t playing. Been a while since I’ve seen top level Angry Bird (he was sick during capcom cup)
Awesome top 6 is at monday at 5 am perfect timing
I can catch the first 30 minutes before I get to head to work.
30 mins of ads
What are the odds that the Season 2 characters get announced?
Close to zero. A gameplay trailer for Akuma is the most likely bet.
We may not get them announced at all this time around but if they've got an Akuma-tier popular character at the end of the Season Pass it'd be good marketing.
I thought SonicFox doesn't play SF6 anymore
Probably more focused on Tekken 8, but thought I'd make the inclusion just in case
Awesome, thanks 😎
Smug?!
Smug just announced a new sponsor a couple weeks back.
Yes!! KEY and StormKubo both competing. Honda mains represent.
Key picked up Blanka more recently so he may not use Honda, but always a fun player to watch
Ah damn that's disappointing. Honda mains are scarce as it is, and we are yet to see one at a major tournament. Would be cool if Kubo pulled off an upset.
hope to see some eds in top16
Momochi/Tachikawa/Dogura all prolly repping Ed, you have a good shot
Don't forget about EW and hotdog :)
MOMOCHI FIGHTIIIIING
Thanks for this. This tournament is gonna be INSANE.