Spy Magazine was making fun of him and reporting extensively what a horrible person he was too. They coined the phrase "short-fingered vulgarian" when referring to him as well.
MAD magazine constantly made fun of him through out the 80s and 90s. No body can claim they didn't know he was, has been, and always will be a huge joke. Current Affair was always talking about his gross gaudy ass being extra tacky, so everyone also knew his idea of rich was just gold plated everything.
Supposedly they would be sent cutouts from magazines with pictures of Donald Trump with his hands circled with a gold sharpie with comments along the lines of "See! Not short fingers at all!"
It’s so great they got professional film footage (by director Hal Ashby, no less) of that. Pete Townshend famously bashed Abbie Hoffman off the stage during the Who’s performance at Woodstock, but there’s only audio of that, evidently.
That's honestly what blows my mind about Trump. We ALL fucking hated him in the 80s and into the 90s, everyone knew he was a fragile loser who used his money to puff himself up into some sort of garish sexist cockatoo. The hard turn on him has been WILD.
Even well into the 2000s
[Sesame Street parody](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJAyWepNcWA)
[Trump U parody](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqg79bqEcfM)
[Even running for president](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCGf9IcRTQU)
Bonus - [Take Back America!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPTGC65F8x0)
man this show was way ahead of its time
All his worst qualities are his main appeals. They like that he’s a cruel, vindictive bully, a bigot, and a narcissist. That’s why he got elected, because that’s what so many Americans aspire to be.
Oh, plenty of the crowd that worshipped Reagan and thought Gordon Gekko was the good guy also loved Trump back then. He was Greed is Good's poster boy in the '80s. The Art of the Deal was a favourite of all the budding Alex P Keaton business weasels. He might not have written it but his name was the selling point.
Created by Mark Burnett, who started as a go-go Trumplike operator (he broke up with his 2nd wife on Howard Stern, was accused by a business partner of stiffing him for millions) who turned into a conservative evangelical.
https://www.getreligion.org/getreligion/2019/1/2/trump-is-what-matters-mark-burnett/roma-downey-faith-duet-gets-a-nod-in-the-new-yorker
The first time I really became aware of him was in the early 2000s when The Apprentice started, and even with the favorable editing, he still just seemed like an obnoxious asshole from the bits of it I did see back then.
Reminder that on his victory speech on election night 2016, Trump entered the stage while "Can't Always Get What You Want" was playing. He's petty enough for it to be a dig to the Stones.
>Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
>
>Lord, don't they help themselves, Lord?
>
>But when the taxman come to the door
>
>Lord, the house lookin' like a rummage sale
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they talk up their fitness, Lord?
But when the recruiter come to the door
Lord, the x-rays lookin' like cripplin’ bone spurs
It’s always amazing to me how many of these dopes still don’t understand their idols resent their politics.
Hell [Paul McCartney basically wrote a thinly veiled seven minute song about Trump that suggest he should be put in jail](https://youtu.be/5vDVZNOFMEM?si=e17CJUW5Xr7nPjB2). Paul’s angle is climate change denialism, but it’s not like these guys are even being subtle about it. And yet, many of these conservative classic rock fans still don’t get it.
Apparently the Clash get pissed off when conservatives think that 'Rock the Casbah' supports their politics. My dudes, one of the lines is "drop your bombs between the minarets", how did you not see that coming?
(Yes, I know they're not supposed to be American bombs. Many people who listen to the song do not know that.)
It's funny that it was only recently that MAGA got mad at them since Billie Joe has said ["MAGA agenda" since at least 2020](https://youtu.be/VxyRBiJTa_k?si=PKCl39Kq1xYi39Vb&t=137)
You are telling me the band who writes songs criticizing biblical stories with songs like Sorrow and Sky scraper where they talk about god doing evil things isnt traditional catholic?!?!? Next you are going to say in the song the new dark ages the and the line about immaculate ejaculate isnt how great the church is???
I've been seeing more and more arguments in punk forums claiming that right wing conservatism is the real punk. The mental gymnastics they go through is almost impressive.
In college there was a printer in the writing center that was infamous for sensing when you were in a hurry and shitting the bed. It would print fine if you were just being proactive or printing something unimportant. But if you needed to print a page before class or close to a deadline, it would jam or lose connection or suddenly run out of ink
honestly old former punks becoming conservatives is a bit of a meme itself. you can easily tell who was in it for the edgy imagery back in the day compared to the actual politics of it
I always do roll my eyes when people (even in this sub) cheer punks for being totally anti-Nazi by constantly kicking them out, saying "yeah, those Nazis don't represent the *real* punks!!!"
Like, no. Neo-nazis were *very* much involved in the middle to middle-late period of the punk scene. They were *always* a part of it, *especially* early on in said period, and it seems that people just don't wanna deal with that fact.
Why do they think that those "real punks" constantly find Nazi punks to kick out to begin with?
i mean in the post-war era it was easy to think they weren’t around. that’s a big part of why they felt like it was easy to play with the imagery. when it became clear that it was a real issue a lot of the big acts took action against it and very much tried to make them feel unwelcome
I think based on the former edgelord punks I've known who haven't died I think he'd probably be pretty similar. I think too many hard drugs really does irreversible damage.
Former punks are people and grow old like all people. If you're not open to your ideas being challenged and to adopting new views (something old people are famously bad at) at some point society and what is "progressive" overtakes you. Everyone runs this risk, even the progressiviest of progressives. Like, in 50 years eating meat or having gas-powered machines or whatever might be regarded like saying the n-word is today. Some weird shit that your grandchildren will be embarrassed about and excuse with "oh you know how he is, he just grew up that way when it was normal to do these things".
i mean plenty of folks have stopped being a part of the scene and didn’t turn into reactionary chuds. you don’t have to stay on the cutting edge but if you find yourself supporting Trump and other right wing figures maybe you never really understood it to begin with
Their logic is as follows: Being punk means being against the mainstream. Leftism is mainstream these days, so if you wanna be against the mainstream you have to be conservative, meaning that conservatism is punk.
The best story about that is Joey Ramone trolling Johnny Ramone with The KKK Took My Baby Away (a song about Johnny stealing Joey’s girlfriend). Johnny was extremely conservative and I’m not sure he ever got the joke.
Apparently CJ, his replacement in the band, was also a die hard right winger. Probably unintentionally one of the most conservative punk bands ever (apart from straight up neo nazi skinhead bands).
Well Danzig being Danzig
Jerry Only donated to Trump https://www.reddit.com/r/punk/comments/ejii3p/so_uh_jerry_only_misfits_made_a_bunch_of_small/
Michael Graves has a "Political Views" section on his wikipedia, wrote for an old website called Conservative Punk and was all about J6.
Thats the only ones off hand I can remember. There's been a LOT of members of The Misfits
Im a 40+ year old man and even I am seeing at this point. Ive had people try to argue that punk is actually right wing because of Johnny Ramone and that one dude from Agnostic Front who hates welfare. Its bizzare, but its also the exact type of shit fascists do and have done for as long as they have existed. They try to find small gaps as a point of entry into a community and then they slowly take it over and coopt it for their message. These folks dont create their own art and culture, they steal it from others. Just like pretty much everything else they have.
the concerts from like 2016 onward.. holy shit, he literally doesn't bother actually singing any words anymore and occasionally breaks into a Cartman impression out of no where.
> And yet, many of these conservative classic rock fans still don’t get it.
As crazy as it sounds, what you have to realize is that a lot of these people have come to view all politics as theatre where truth is treated with contempt. Even they dont believe half the shit coming out of Trump's mouth, they just view it as useful misinformation. Why wouldnt they treat their favorites musicians the same way?
It’s honestly so funny to me that classic rock is kind of seen as boomer music nowadays when it was literally the progressive counter culture of the day.
ccr’s fortunate son gets me, too. trump used to use it at rallies before he was asked not to use it again. but like… did nobody on the campaign ever actually listen to the song?
Rufus Wainwright of "Hallelujah" fame wrote a [song](https://youtu.be/wmUVy43tqw4?si=mrw14bYJljhKm6kx) that basically boils down to "the best place to fire a mortar launcher at the white house would be from the roof of the Rockefeller-Hewitt building because of minimal security and a clear line of sight to the president's bedroom" about five years ago.
I got banned for quoting that fucking video by the admins haha (they did unban me in fairness, when I assured them I did not have a club meeting under the bridge every Thursday with the password sic semper tyrannis).
I sing in a Pearl Jam tribute band in Missouri, and the few surprised looks we get when we play W.M.A. (White Male American) a song about police discrimination are always a little funny. Did they miss the memo on Pearl Jam's politics?
Pearl Jam is just about the least subtle band there is when it comes to their politics. They argued for abortion rights on SNL for crying out loud. Anyway, I always thought WMA would make a great sample for a rap song.
Been on a huge Beatles thing in the last months, being obsessed especially with George Harrison and Ringo, but having a huge appreciation for McCartney as well.
Love that he and Ringo are still kicking about. What a shame about Harrison dying though.
"Cool for turning this fun reddit political. Definitely don't want to back to that peace and prosperity phase"
Ah yes, Rock and Roll being famously known for being apolitical
Remember when NPR tweeted the Bill of Rights one sentence at a time and Trump's followers lost their shit because they thought it was against their Dear Leader?
["So, NPR is calling for revolution. Interesting way to condone the violence while trying to sound 'patriotic'. Your implications are clear."](https://twitter.com/JustEsrafel/status/882315204218019844)
At the time, I gave the guy a bit of credit for [owning up to his exceptionally stupid mistake,](https://twitter.com/JustEsrafel/status/882389763101253632) but within a week, he was back to being as aggressively fucking stupid a Trump supporter can be.
Most of the rights grievances is a problem of capitalism. Can't afford a house gas prices, the "traditional" family. All because we are broke and being priced out with people with capital
Yep, and sometimes not even "thinly veiled". I remember the stock images they used to use for their welfare queen reports were overweight black women; they knew *exactly* the image they wanted to paint in their viewers' minds, and also knew their viewers would probably need the extra help, so all subtlety was thrown out the window.
> Most of the rights grievances is a problem of capitalism. Can't afford a house gas prices, the "traditional" family. All because we are broke and being priced out with people with capital
I mean, those are their *stated* reasons, because those ones are actually sympathetic to neutral audiences, and even in the best times, there will be some people struggling. But they also stop those complaints on a dime the second Republicans are in power; just look at how radically Republican opinions on the economy flip with the presidency.
Heck, even when they complain about economic things, it's often just framed around their real complaints: 'the right people' can't afford a house or gas, because they/the country are spending too much to help out '*those* people'.
Man, it’s crazy that republicans are the party that puts such extra emphasis on the founding fathers and the constitution. The founding fathers would be *mortified* of the republican party today.
it's all optics and aesthetics. even the "legal experts" on the supreme court make originalism and textualism bend however they want it to. it's so nakedly obvious what they're doing and i don't think the average republican really cares
>The founding fathers would be *mortified* of the republican party today.
Would they? I'm pretty sure a couple of them owned slaves, so they would definitely agree with their racial views, at least.
However I do concede that they would be mortified by their religious extremism. You know things are getting bad when literal 300-400 year old men have more progressive religious beliefs than a solid chunk of one of our political parties.
Oh yeah, and I guess Washington would be mortified at the mere *existence* of political parties to begin with.
> Would they? I'm pretty sure a couple of them owned slaves, so they would definitely agree with their racial views, at least.
That some of the Founding Fathers were rich, land-/slave-owning generationally-wealthy white men ***doesn't*** mean they'd immediately change their minds on all the shit the literally fought tooth and nail to instill into the United States' DNA.
This is such an old, overused gotcha whenever someone brings up how antithetical to the wants/desires of the Founding Fathers the modern GOP is.
Poor Thomas Jefferson -- a guy who was so fucking proud of kicking the Church of England out of Virginia, and whose Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom would become the backbone of the First Amendment, that he left instructions for that to be included on his epitaph, second only to penning the Declaration -- would be absolutely fucking horrified that some [fucktacularly ignorant moron was using his name to justify his extremism.](https://i.imgur.com/FZDtR1C.png) *That's* the dude who [beheaded the Baphomet statue in Iowa back in December.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-destroyed-satanic-temple-altar-iowa-charged-hate-crime-law-rcna136688)
The Red Scare still makes some... let's say *easily influenced* people... believe that either you're with them or you're a communist.
And of course it made those same people believe communists want things like making everyone except the elite live in poverty, the rich having everything, and power concentrated in the hands of few... y'know, just things that the Republicans politicians **are** fighting for right now.
>Yep, and being Irish-American, I got a kick out of Keith Richard's response to Mick's hunger for title. It is all just a show. But don't pretend either side is more virtuous than the other.
0% chance this guy has Irish citizenship
>Thanks for the insight doctor. But both my parents were born and raised in Ireland. All four of my known grandparents Irish. My DNA search says I am 99.5% Irish. Kerry and Cork to be a bit more specific. I was raised in a Catholic parish with 6 siblings, 14 cousins, and 40 Irish friends. I listened to Irish radio every Saturday morning. Went to 30 Irish weddings and 20 Irish funerals. I crave Guinness and Jameson, met Gerry Adams family, hear Van Morrison in my sleep, and drive five miles for Irish sausages. Where can I go to get "my truth" validated, bruh.
How is this not immediately a copypasta lol.
He drives FIVE WHOLE MILES for sausages bruh. HE LISTENS TO VAN MORRISON BRUH. You know, that hidden gem Van Morrison. He drinks the most popular and widely available Irish whiskey. He's basically a leprechaun.
Oh, it gets worse: it's probably whatever leftover Bud Light the bar still has before dying it. Even the thematically Irish bars here in the US don't fucking serve a single drink that someone from Ireland would request. And even if they *do* serve Guinness, it's gonna be ice cold like most draught beers are served in the US.
All my friends make fun that I'm Irish (ancestry wise) and I'm like, dude without knowing a single fucking thing about Ireland I know they'd stab me for drinking Guinness cold and doing car bombs
As someone with an *undeniably-*Irish last name and distant relatives still living in Ireland, I cannot fucking stand these "Scotch-Irish-American" cosplayers.
"I'm proud to be Irish!"
"Oh, fuck off, Jake. Your third great-granddaddy stopped in Ireland for about a week on his voyage from Brampton to NYC, and likely ***loudly*** admitted that he wasn't Irish at Ellis Island so he wouldn't be treated like Irish immigrants were being treated at the time. You knowing *every* line from The Boondock Saints and using your 'Irish heritage' to excuse your violent alcoholism doesn't make you fucking Irish!"
I do not like celebrities but some of these are genuine bangers:
>Orlando - Governor DeSantis and Mickey Mouse are here on a date tonight. Glad to see they made up.
>Atlanta (during fan vote introduction) - We couldn’t find the missing votes.
People being surprised/shocked that the Rolling fucking Stones might not like conservatives is fucking hilarious to me.
Reminds me of when r/conservative found Dee Snider's *epic* [PMRC testimony](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Vyr1TylTE) and they got all uppity about him sounding "anti-conservative". Like no fucking shit!
But it's almost *zero* surprise that the people who think "media literacy" is a recently-coined term to mock them are so media illiterate that they think some of the biggest icons in a genre of music that's been wildly anti-conservative from day one is a surprising turn of events.
--
But, more seriously, if you like exceptionally eloquent takedowns of political "think of the children" hackery from the most surprising people, watch Snider's testimony; the juxtaposition of him being dressed like...well, Dee Snider in his Twisted Sister days and delivering a prepared statement with all the grace and eloquence of [George Carlin on Larry King](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8yV8xUorQ8) is incredible. That committee was ***not*** prepared for him to openly admit that he's a devout Christian who doesn't drink, smoke, or use drugs *while* looking like he just woke up from a month-long bender.
>You realize that’s just honorary right?
>>Yep, and being Irish-American, I got a kick out of Keith Richard's response to Mick's hunger for title. It is all just a show. But don't pretend either side is more virtuous than the other.
He's the one crying about it though? Nobody is mentioning virtue but him.
>and being Irish-American
I bet his great great great grandfather immigrated to the US and now he indentifies as irish despite not having anything to do with Ireland.
And
>I guess, we threw the BBB out 250 years ago in US and 100 years ago in Eire. So being tapped by the sword, and having your photo snapped is all so.....bullshit. Stuff Mick used to make fun of.
Is one of the most impressively stupid things I've ever seen on here. It's just fantastic.
Being knighted does not make you a conservative, no more than getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom makes you one. And it definitely does not mean you can't criticise American Republicans. I don't think Mick Jagger has claimed to be anti-capitalist anyway.
Where I live a woman who was working for the city was recently arrested after stealing almost $2mil she gave to her internet boyfriend she thought was Mick Jagger.
I have so many questions. He's *so* old. He also seems like he would have his own money.
Lol that's hilarious.
And yeah Mick is very old and incredibly wealthy. That lady must be kooky if she thinks Mick has any interest in her or needs the city's money
Mick Jagger, the guy who played a drag queen in a movie, called cops criminals and sang about police brutality back in the 70s is political? I’m shocked I tell you SHOCKED
>Being knighted does not make you a "member of of the monarchy".
Indeed. Not only do Americans apparently think Mick Jagger is a member of the monarchy, presumably they also think Lewis Hamilton and Kenny Dalgleish are. To be fair, King Kenny \_is\_ royalty.
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Friendly reminder that Keith Richards wanted to stab Donald Trump back in the 80s
Lots of people hated Trump in the 80s. Sesame Street even created a whole minor character just to make fun of him.
Spy Magazine was making fun of him and reporting extensively what a horrible person he was too. They coined the phrase "short-fingered vulgarian" when referring to him as well.
MAD magazine constantly made fun of him through out the 80s and 90s. No body can claim they didn't know he was, has been, and always will be a huge joke. Current Affair was always talking about his gross gaudy ass being extra tacky, so everyone also knew his idea of rich was just gold plated everything.
Yeah I thought everyone knew he was a joke for decades. Apparently a lot of people took him seriously, as hard as that is to believe.
We've slid a lot in the past 40 years
>short-fingered vulgarian That is a perfect description of the dipshit.
Supposedly they would be sent cutouts from magazines with pictures of Donald Trump with his hands circled with a gold sharpie with comments along the lines of "See! Not short fingers at all!"
Anyone who read Spy knew exactly what a huge pos he would be as President. Luckily for him, his voters aren’t big readers.
Biff from Back to The Future is based off of Trump
Lex Luthor in the 80s DC comics was modeled partly off of Donald Trump.
Same hair. None.
I always suspected Max Shrenk from Batman Returns was also Trump.
Dennis Hopper based his depiction of King Koopa in *Super Mario Brothers* off "what if Trump was president" its kinda terrifying to watch in hindsight
One of the things that’s made me scratch my head about his supporters is their complete brain wipe regarding his past.
Keith famously whacked a stage crasher with his Telecaster so I think he’s got it in him.
I love that video. He turns turns if off and chases the guy off then back to playing with such casual nonchalance
It’s so great they got professional film footage (by director Hal Ashby, no less) of that. Pete Townshend famously bashed Abbie Hoffman off the stage during the Who’s performance at Woodstock, but there’s only audio of that, evidently.
Yeah the footage is great, love that Mick just keeps singing and ignores the guy completely
That's honestly what blows my mind about Trump. We ALL fucking hated him in the 80s and into the 90s, everyone knew he was a fragile loser who used his money to puff himself up into some sort of garish sexist cockatoo. The hard turn on him has been WILD.
Even well into the 2000s [Sesame Street parody](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJAyWepNcWA) [Trump U parody](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqg79bqEcfM) [Even running for president](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCGf9IcRTQU) Bonus - [Take Back America!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPTGC65F8x0) man this show was way ahead of its time
All his worst qualities are his main appeals. They like that he’s a cruel, vindictive bully, a bigot, and a narcissist. That’s why he got elected, because that’s what so many Americans aspire to be.
Oh, plenty of the crowd that worshipped Reagan and thought Gordon Gekko was the good guy also loved Trump back then. He was Greed is Good's poster boy in the '80s. The Art of the Deal was a favourite of all the budding Alex P Keaton business weasels. He might not have written it but his name was the selling point.
We were coming off 8 years of a Black President. These "people" were going to vote for any white Republican male instead of Hillary.
And now Trump is back to leading in the polls, this timeline is unreal
It’s impossible to overstate how successful The Apprentice was in laundering his reputation.
Created by Mark Burnett, who started as a go-go Trumplike operator (he broke up with his 2nd wife on Howard Stern, was accused by a business partner of stiffing him for millions) who turned into a conservative evangelical. https://www.getreligion.org/getreligion/2019/1/2/trump-is-what-matters-mark-burnett/roma-downey-faith-duet-gets-a-nod-in-the-new-yorker
It's *The Apprentice.* That's all it is.
The first time I really became aware of him was in the early 2000s when The Apprentice started, and even with the favorable editing, he still just seemed like an obnoxious asshole from the bits of it I did see back then.
Reminder that on his victory speech on election night 2016, Trump entered the stage while "Can't Always Get What You Want" was playing. He's petty enough for it to be a dig to the Stones.
If only he had
That reminder doesn't seem particularly friendly.
On the contrary, I would like to take this reminder out to a lovely brunch.
Remember when Trump blared "Fortunate Son" during one of his rallies in Florida? CCR was like "dude, the song is literally about shit stains like you"
I think that event could make it into a text book as an example of irony
>Some folks are born silver spoon in hand > >Lord, don't they help themselves, Lord? > >But when the taxman come to the door > >Lord, the house lookin' like a rummage sale
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand Lord, don't they talk up their fitness, Lord? But when the recruiter come to the door Lord, the x-rays lookin' like cripplin’ bone spurs
Just like Blue Line people dancing and singing along to "Killing in the Name of" smh
And kristi using “we’re not gonna take it” followed by dee snider making fun of her
It’s always amazing to me how many of these dopes still don’t understand their idols resent their politics. Hell [Paul McCartney basically wrote a thinly veiled seven minute song about Trump that suggest he should be put in jail](https://youtu.be/5vDVZNOFMEM?si=e17CJUW5Xr7nPjB2). Paul’s angle is climate change denialism, but it’s not like these guys are even being subtle about it. And yet, many of these conservative classic rock fans still don’t get it.
It's even funnier when one of them is a fan of a punk band
I liked Bad Religion before they got political!
I can’t believe Rage Against the Machine got political. They should stfu and stick to music!
Who knew a band that would write catchy songs like ‘Rock the Casbah’ and ‘London Calling’ would be political?!?
Apparently the Clash get pissed off when conservatives think that 'Rock the Casbah' supports their politics. My dudes, one of the lines is "drop your bombs between the minarets", how did you not see that coming? (Yes, I know they're not supposed to be American bombs. Many people who listen to the song do not know that.)
“Guns of Brixton?” They must just love the second amendment!
I enjoy "Clampdown", where they sing about the greatness of capitalism and how it uplifts the working class and empowers individuals.
As long as you treat them nice with a party girl, the Clash is cool. They learned that from the advertising world.
Remember that time Green Day sang American Idiot and added political lyrics to it, ugh
I went to a Green Day concert back in 2017, and Billy Joel Armstrong said fuck Donald Trump on stage
[Pittsburgh?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN8q8f5lQ_o)
It's funny that it was only recently that MAGA got mad at them since Billie Joe has said ["MAGA agenda" since at least 2020](https://youtu.be/VxyRBiJTa_k?si=PKCl39Kq1xYi39Vb&t=137)
"which machine do you think we were raging against? The dishwasher??"
> I liked Bad Religion before they got political! You joke but I actually saw that when they released "The Kids Are Alt-Right"
They turned off the comments to the official music video for that song because some didn’t realize that they weren’t right wing
You could easily miss it in American Jesus if you don't realize the lyrics are dripping with sarcasm
It's a banger, they might not even listen to the words at all.
You are telling me the band who writes songs criticizing biblical stories with songs like Sorrow and Sky scraper where they talk about god doing evil things isnt traditional catholic?!?!? Next you are going to say in the song the new dark ages the and the line about immaculate ejaculate isnt how great the church is???
I mean... if you're looking for evidence that Bad Religion are not pro Christian... Just saying, you're doing a lot of extra work there.
I've been seeing more and more arguments in punk forums claiming that right wing conservatism is the real punk. The mental gymnastics they go through is almost impressive.
My brother has actually tried to say this. We don't talk much anymore.
Oh god.
Rage against the machine (the washing machine, because we hate chores!)
And the fucking printer. The cunt.
Only the Geto Boys can rage against the [printer](https://youtu.be/N9wsjroVlu8?si=0J3QYGltiZyX09Bp).
Wait, this is true. Can they also be against that machine? They can be against two machines.
Everyone rages against the printer, but Rage Against The Printer is definately a great nerdcore band name
In college there was a printer in the writing center that was infamous for sensing when you were in a hurry and shitting the bed. It would print fine if you were just being proactive or printing something unimportant. But if you needed to print a page before class or close to a deadline, it would jam or lose connection or suddenly run out of ink
[Been going back to this video for years and now finally have a relevant time to post it](https://youtu.be/dAXa3wTZjes)
This is hilarious, thank you.
honestly old former punks becoming conservatives is a bit of a meme itself. you can easily tell who was in it for the edgy imagery back in the day compared to the actual politics of it
John Lydon can't stop disapointing us it seems Wonder what Sid would be like today
He’d still be dead.
And rather pungent.
Seeing as he often wore a swastika T-shirt, I can imagine the cunt he would be today if he was around.
Yeah people tend to forget that a lot of early punks were basically just edgelord trolls.
I always do roll my eyes when people (even in this sub) cheer punks for being totally anti-Nazi by constantly kicking them out, saying "yeah, those Nazis don't represent the *real* punks!!!" Like, no. Neo-nazis were *very* much involved in the middle to middle-late period of the punk scene. They were *always* a part of it, *especially* early on in said period, and it seems that people just don't wanna deal with that fact. Why do they think that those "real punks" constantly find Nazi punks to kick out to begin with?
i mean in the post-war era it was easy to think they weren’t around. that’s a big part of why they felt like it was easy to play with the imagery. when it became clear that it was a real issue a lot of the big acts took action against it and very much tried to make them feel unwelcome
John Lydon was a piece of shit back in the day, and he's a piece of shit now. Not much has changed.
I think based on the former edgelord punks I've known who haven't died I think he'd probably be pretty similar. I think too many hard drugs really does irreversible damage.
I mean he was a violent edgelord who abused Nancy so definitely not better.
Former punks are people and grow old like all people. If you're not open to your ideas being challenged and to adopting new views (something old people are famously bad at) at some point society and what is "progressive" overtakes you. Everyone runs this risk, even the progressiviest of progressives. Like, in 50 years eating meat or having gas-powered machines or whatever might be regarded like saying the n-word is today. Some weird shit that your grandchildren will be embarrassed about and excuse with "oh you know how he is, he just grew up that way when it was normal to do these things".
i mean plenty of folks have stopped being a part of the scene and didn’t turn into reactionary chuds. you don’t have to stay on the cutting edge but if you find yourself supporting Trump and other right wing figures maybe you never really understood it to begin with
Yeah it's unfair for us to expect former icons of youthful rebellion to walk around in their 60s acting like a 15 year old from a broken home.
They straight up claim, without the slightest hint of irony, that "conservatism IS punk" these days.
Their logic is as follows: Being punk means being against the mainstream. Leftism is mainstream these days, so if you wanna be against the mainstream you have to be conservative, meaning that conservatism is punk.
That's a bizarre hot take. Zero of two major political parties in this country are Leftists.
I've heard that, I want to sigh and facepalm every time
The best story about that is Joey Ramone trolling Johnny Ramone with The KKK Took My Baby Away (a song about Johnny stealing Joey’s girlfriend). Johnny was extremely conservative and I’m not sure he ever got the joke.
dee dee was also quite conservative and had a 16 year old girlfriend when he was in his 40s
Apparently CJ, his replacement in the band, was also a die hard right winger. Probably unintentionally one of the most conservative punk bands ever (apart from straight up neo nazi skinhead bands).
Misfits are probably up there too
hmm haven't heard of this before. Is it a band thing or a Danzig being Danzig thing?
Well Danzig being Danzig Jerry Only donated to Trump https://www.reddit.com/r/punk/comments/ejii3p/so_uh_jerry_only_misfits_made_a_bunch_of_small/ Michael Graves has a "Political Views" section on his wikipedia, wrote for an old website called Conservative Punk and was all about J6. Thats the only ones off hand I can remember. There's been a LOT of members of The Misfits
I knew Danzig was kind of an edgy guy, but didn't know that about Jerry Only shame :(
I think he's Born Again Christian so I wasn't surprised he donated to Trump
Theres nothing funny about Nazis once again trying to infiltrate the punk scene. What happened to the skins very well could happen again.
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Im a 40+ year old man and even I am seeing at this point. Ive had people try to argue that punk is actually right wing because of Johnny Ramone and that one dude from Agnostic Front who hates welfare. Its bizzare, but its also the exact type of shit fascists do and have done for as long as they have existed. They try to find small gaps as a point of entry into a community and then they slowly take it over and coopt it for their message. These folks dont create their own art and culture, they steal it from others. Just like pretty much everything else they have.
They get Nugent and Kid Rock. That’s it.
> Kid Rock "Oh my God, help! He's having a heart attack! Is anyone here a doctor?" "No fucking way someone's a doctor here."
They had Meatloaf until he died of Covid after buying in to the whole anti-vaxx nonsense too.
He'd do anything for love, but he won't get vaxxed.
"if I die, I die" - dead person.
Vince Neil too
they can have him. Some the worst vocal performances in rock history.
It's so sad, he used to be so cute and could sing once upon a time, now days it's just shocking
the concerts from like 2016 onward.. holy shit, he literally doesn't bother actually singing any words anymore and occasionally breaks into a Cartman impression out of no where.
At least we got some funny videos out of it
*checks notes* Ah yes, the guy who killed someone drunk driving and experienced basically no consequences? Yeah, that checks out.
Didn't just kill \*someone\*, he killed Razzle from Hanoi Rocks. Also really fucked up some other people too.
There are quite a lot of right wing punk musicians.
There's a reason Dead Kennedy's wrote a song called "Nazi Punks Fuck Off."
> And yet, many of these conservative classic rock fans still don’t get it. As crazy as it sounds, what you have to realize is that a lot of these people have come to view all politics as theatre where truth is treated with contempt. Even they dont believe half the shit coming out of Trump's mouth, they just view it as useful misinformation. Why wouldnt they treat their favorites musicians the same way?
It’s honestly so funny to me that classic rock is kind of seen as boomer music nowadays when it was literally the progressive counter culture of the day.
Goes to show media illiteracy isn't a new phenomenon
I'm always a huge fan of when Republicans try to use Springsteen's *Born in the USA* unironically
ccr’s fortunate son gets me, too. trump used to use it at rallies before he was asked not to use it again. but like… did nobody on the campaign ever actually listen to the song?
Rich draft dodger using a song complaining about the inequality of the draft lol.
He used it after too!
Ronald Reagan's team reached out to Springsteen to ask permission to use it in a campaign ad. I'm not kidding
Please tell me this means Springsteen chuckled quietly to himself as he said yes
Springsteen told them no.
Nothing's ever going to beat Trump using "Fortunate Son"
Rufus Wainwright of "Hallelujah" fame wrote a [song](https://youtu.be/wmUVy43tqw4?si=mrw14bYJljhKm6kx) that basically boils down to "the best place to fire a mortar launcher at the white house would be from the roof of the Rockefeller-Hewitt building because of minimal security and a clear line of sight to the president's bedroom" about five years ago.
I’m pretty sure Whitest kids You Know used that exact quote in a video.
I got banned for quoting that fucking video by the admins haha (they did unban me in fairness, when I assured them I did not have a club meeting under the bridge every Thursday with the password sic semper tyrannis).
If you haven’t ever gotten the chance to see him live I really recommend it—his voice is like, otherworldly ethereal.
I sing in a Pearl Jam tribute band in Missouri, and the few surprised looks we get when we play W.M.A. (White Male American) a song about police discrimination are always a little funny. Did they miss the memo on Pearl Jam's politics?
“Maybe Jeremy should stop speaking and stick to singing” lol
More like "Jeremy's woke in class today" am I right?
Pearl Jam is just about the least subtle band there is when it comes to their politics. They argued for abortion rights on SNL for crying out loud. Anyway, I always thought WMA would make a great sample for a rap song.
Been on a huge Beatles thing in the last months, being obsessed especially with George Harrison and Ringo, but having a huge appreciation for McCartney as well. Love that he and Ringo are still kicking about. What a shame about Harrison dying though.
"Cool for turning this fun reddit political. Definitely don't want to back to that peace and prosperity phase" Ah yes, Rock and Roll being famously known for being apolitical
I can’t believe the band that sang “Just as every cop is a criminal” is political now 😖
Shows you how deep their brain rot is when they think criticizing American Republicans means you're anti capitalist.
Remember when NPR tweeted the Bill of Rights one sentence at a time and Trump's followers lost their shit because they thought it was against their Dear Leader?
["So, NPR is calling for revolution. Interesting way to condone the violence while trying to sound 'patriotic'. Your implications are clear."](https://twitter.com/JustEsrafel/status/882315204218019844) At the time, I gave the guy a bit of credit for [owning up to his exceptionally stupid mistake,](https://twitter.com/JustEsrafel/status/882389763101253632) but within a week, he was back to being as aggressively fucking stupid a Trump supporter can be.
Most of the rights grievances is a problem of capitalism. Can't afford a house gas prices, the "traditional" family. All because we are broke and being priced out with people with capital
And the good old days they yearn for came from government programs. Also known as (trigger warning 😱) social programs.
Which were then cut down due to hate-mongering around "welfare queens".
And the vast majority of said hatemongering was really just *very* thinly veiled racism.
Yep, and sometimes not even "thinly veiled". I remember the stock images they used to use for their welfare queen reports were overweight black women; they knew *exactly* the image they wanted to paint in their viewers' minds, and also knew their viewers would probably need the extra help, so all subtlety was thrown out the window.
> Most of the rights grievances is a problem of capitalism. Can't afford a house gas prices, the "traditional" family. All because we are broke and being priced out with people with capital I mean, those are their *stated* reasons, because those ones are actually sympathetic to neutral audiences, and even in the best times, there will be some people struggling. But they also stop those complaints on a dime the second Republicans are in power; just look at how radically Republican opinions on the economy flip with the presidency. Heck, even when they complain about economic things, it's often just framed around their real complaints: 'the right people' can't afford a house or gas, because they/the country are spending too much to help out '*those* people'.
But they think it's because people like me are transitioning
Man, it’s crazy that republicans are the party that puts such extra emphasis on the founding fathers and the constitution. The founding fathers would be *mortified* of the republican party today.
it's all optics and aesthetics. even the "legal experts" on the supreme court make originalism and textualism bend however they want it to. it's so nakedly obvious what they're doing and i don't think the average republican really cares
>The founding fathers would be *mortified* of the republican party today. Would they? I'm pretty sure a couple of them owned slaves, so they would definitely agree with their racial views, at least. However I do concede that they would be mortified by their religious extremism. You know things are getting bad when literal 300-400 year old men have more progressive religious beliefs than a solid chunk of one of our political parties. Oh yeah, and I guess Washington would be mortified at the mere *existence* of political parties to begin with.
> Would they? I'm pretty sure a couple of them owned slaves, so they would definitely agree with their racial views, at least. That some of the Founding Fathers were rich, land-/slave-owning generationally-wealthy white men ***doesn't*** mean they'd immediately change their minds on all the shit the literally fought tooth and nail to instill into the United States' DNA. This is such an old, overused gotcha whenever someone brings up how antithetical to the wants/desires of the Founding Fathers the modern GOP is. Poor Thomas Jefferson -- a guy who was so fucking proud of kicking the Church of England out of Virginia, and whose Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom would become the backbone of the First Amendment, that he left instructions for that to be included on his epitaph, second only to penning the Declaration -- would be absolutely fucking horrified that some [fucktacularly ignorant moron was using his name to justify his extremism.](https://i.imgur.com/FZDtR1C.png) *That's* the dude who [beheaded the Baphomet statue in Iowa back in December.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-destroyed-satanic-temple-altar-iowa-charged-hate-crime-law-rcna136688)
Founding fathers would want to know why the fuck regular citizens are voting for the Senate because they wanted state legislatures to vote for them.
Nah, they'd probably be upset that we let the filthy masses directly vote for anybody but local house reps
The Red Scare still makes some... let's say *easily influenced* people... believe that either you're with them or you're a communist. And of course it made those same people believe communists want things like making everyone except the elite live in poverty, the rich having everything, and power concentrated in the hands of few... y'know, just things that the Republicans politicians **are** fighting for right now.
>Yep, and being Irish-American, I got a kick out of Keith Richard's response to Mick's hunger for title. It is all just a show. But don't pretend either side is more virtuous than the other. 0% chance this guy has Irish citizenship
>Thanks for the insight doctor. But both my parents were born and raised in Ireland. All four of my known grandparents Irish. My DNA search says I am 99.5% Irish. Kerry and Cork to be a bit more specific. I was raised in a Catholic parish with 6 siblings, 14 cousins, and 40 Irish friends. I listened to Irish radio every Saturday morning. Went to 30 Irish weddings and 20 Irish funerals. I crave Guinness and Jameson, met Gerry Adams family, hear Van Morrison in my sleep, and drive five miles for Irish sausages. Where can I go to get "my truth" validated, bruh. How is this not immediately a copypasta lol. He drives FIVE WHOLE MILES for sausages bruh. HE LISTENS TO VAN MORRISON BRUH. You know, that hidden gem Van Morrison. He drinks the most popular and widely available Irish whiskey. He's basically a leprechaun.
> All four of my known grandparents Irish. Does.. does he have more than four grandparents? I also only have four that I know of.
The real worrying part is if you have less than four
I stole his lucky charms in 7th grade and he's never gotten over it.
He drinks green beer on St Paddy's it's the same shit
Green... beer?
Many bars dye beer green for St Paddy's in the US
Ew
Oh, it gets worse: it's probably whatever leftover Bud Light the bar still has before dying it. Even the thematically Irish bars here in the US don't fucking serve a single drink that someone from Ireland would request. And even if they *do* serve Guinness, it's gonna be ice cold like most draught beers are served in the US.
All my friends make fun that I'm Irish (ancestry wise) and I'm like, dude without knowing a single fucking thing about Ireland I know they'd stab me for drinking Guinness cold and doing car bombs
They referred to Ireland as Eire, there is no way there is a drop of Irish in them.
I can’t tell if this person is 14 or 60.
He said in the thread he was born in '64, lol. 60 bang on the nuts. He also, as a supposed 60 year old, typed the word "bruh". So let that sink in.
As someone with an *undeniably-*Irish last name and distant relatives still living in Ireland, I cannot fucking stand these "Scotch-Irish-American" cosplayers. "I'm proud to be Irish!" "Oh, fuck off, Jake. Your third great-granddaddy stopped in Ireland for about a week on his voyage from Brampton to NYC, and likely ***loudly*** admitted that he wasn't Irish at Ellis Island so he wouldn't be treated like Irish immigrants were being treated at the time. You knowing *every* line from The Boondock Saints and using your 'Irish heritage' to excuse your violent alcoholism doesn't make you fucking Irish!"
I do not like celebrities but some of these are genuine bangers: >Orlando - Governor DeSantis and Mickey Mouse are here on a date tonight. Glad to see they made up. >Atlanta (during fan vote introduction) - We couldn’t find the missing votes.
it's actually pretty cool that a bunch of rich skeletons from across the atlantic would even care to know details like that. i approve
My favorite one is the Rainbow one from Orlando.
>A knighted member of the monarchy That’s… that’s not how that works.
> stick to the music pal how about "stick the shitty reality show hosting" instead?
People being surprised/shocked that the Rolling fucking Stones might not like conservatives is fucking hilarious to me. Reminds me of when r/conservative found Dee Snider's *epic* [PMRC testimony](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Vyr1TylTE) and they got all uppity about him sounding "anti-conservative". Like no fucking shit! But it's almost *zero* surprise that the people who think "media literacy" is a recently-coined term to mock them are so media illiterate that they think some of the biggest icons in a genre of music that's been wildly anti-conservative from day one is a surprising turn of events. -- But, more seriously, if you like exceptionally eloquent takedowns of political "think of the children" hackery from the most surprising people, watch Snider's testimony; the juxtaposition of him being dressed like...well, Dee Snider in his Twisted Sister days and delivering a prepared statement with all the grace and eloquence of [George Carlin on Larry King](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8yV8xUorQ8) is incredible. That committee was ***not*** prepared for him to openly admit that he's a devout Christian who doesn't drink, smoke, or use drugs *while* looking like he just woke up from a month-long bender.
They knew better than to start him up
Other notable British royals according to that second guy: Terry Pratchett and Ian McKellan.
The famous Danish royal Lars Ulrich has also expressed his displeasure with Trump interestingly enough.
It's too easy to picture Lars sitting in his study with one of those Hamlet crowns cocked on his head while he catches up on international politics
Dare I say, King Nothing?
>You realize that’s just honorary right? >>Yep, and being Irish-American, I got a kick out of Keith Richard's response to Mick's hunger for title. It is all just a show. But don't pretend either side is more virtuous than the other. He's the one crying about it though? Nobody is mentioning virtue but him. >and being Irish-American I bet his great great great grandfather immigrated to the US and now he indentifies as irish despite not having anything to do with Ireland.
And >I guess, we threw the BBB out 250 years ago in US and 100 years ago in Eire. So being tapped by the sword, and having your photo snapped is all so.....bullshit. Stuff Mick used to make fun of. Is one of the most impressively stupid things I've ever seen on here. It's just fantastic.
r/ShitAmericansSay all the way
When basic human decency and integrity become "politics".
He said the same thing in Philadelphia that he said in Cleveland, but I don’t want to brigade.
Being knighted does not make you a conservative, no more than getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom makes you one. And it definitely does not mean you can't criticise American Republicans. I don't think Mick Jagger has claimed to be anti-capitalist anyway.
Where I live a woman who was working for the city was recently arrested after stealing almost $2mil she gave to her internet boyfriend she thought was Mick Jagger. I have so many questions. He's *so* old. He also seems like he would have his own money.
Holy shit are you also from Sweden??? I've heard that story too. That woman is crazy. 😂
Lol that's hilarious. And yeah Mick is very old and incredibly wealthy. That lady must be kooky if she thinks Mick has any interest in her or needs the city's money
Mick Jagger, the guy who played a drag queen in a movie, called cops criminals and sang about police brutality back in the 70s is political? I’m shocked I tell you SHOCKED
"Some users can't get no satisfaction." was *right there*.
Not making the pun too on the nose isn’t the same thing as not making the pun.
It's always funny when U.S. conservatives decide to LARP as anti-British and vice-versa.
I don’t care about either, but here’s a full throated defense of the most reprehensible people on the planet right now.
I guess everyone hasn't gotten off of Mick Jaggers cloud, or so it seems
>Being knighted does not make you a "member of of the monarchy". Indeed. Not only do Americans apparently think Mick Jagger is a member of the monarchy, presumably they also think Lewis Hamilton and Kenny Dalgleish are. To be fair, King Kenny \_is\_ royalty.
Hope those guys never go to a Roger Waters concert. Their brains may explode.
Didn't he support Putin's actions in Ukraine?
Oh yeah Waters is a nut case that's so contrarian that he's lost the plot. He's a card carrying member of /r/WayOfTheBern
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