As much as I would love to see Damian with Jordan and Jon (and see which one he would get along with) idk if that can happen simply cuz it’s a bit weird how no one has mentioned other Superheroes.
Like what would the storyline be? Batman becomes suspicious of everything in Smallvill so Brucie and his youngest go on a random vacation to there and Clark is super sus of Bruce especially since him and Lois used to date (man comics are complicated) meanwhile Damian is getting info by hanging out with the other teenagers in his public persona (what is that by the way like is it ever established in the comics how he acts in public towards others?) and him and the twins either not getting along at first or he only gets along with one of them. Both families find out about each other’s secret and get along by the end of the 3 episode arc
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It seems to me that Damian is too 'cool' to have a public persona and hang out with 'normal' people btw (and given his dark history). But it would be fun to see he was forced by Bruce to socialize with the boys and get more information from them (if things happen like your storyline).
As i said in another comment i think they could do something similar to what they did with Daredevil in She Hulk, establish him as a vigilante who is only knowed in Gotham and have him go to Smallville for some reasons, either him being sus on something that's happening there or Bruce Wayne being there for something involving Wayne Enterprises.
Btw your concept isn't bad either!
Ooo that’s a great idea. Honestly mine comes from the fact that I love Damian and comic!Jon friendship and I want to see a version of it in live action. That and in season 1 I would say he would get along with Jon more but now idk
They don't really have to do that, they've sort of already established that Oliver existed and died. (Via their retcon of making this a different universe.)
The statement was about other superpowered people, there's no indication that masked vigilantes in general don't exist in this universe, just that none of them have superpowers, or at least not super powers at anywhere near the level of Superman. There's no problem with having a Batman already, nor with Clark having met him.
So, I'm going to argue "no" on a few points.
1. John Henry Irons is already fulfilling the role of "Batman" in a lot of ways and should become that Superhero confidante for Clark. He is already holding on to the Kryptonite.
2. The cast is already big and they are already having trouble serving the Lane-Kent narrative effectively. No crossovers until we get that covered. Having Batman would just steal more narrative focus from the core four.
3. If they are going to put Batman on TV, give him a second to breath before they force a crossover. While I'm not really a fan of the Snyderverse on any level, forcing BvS before either Clark or Bruce were fully fleshed out is a consistent crtisim of that franchise.
Agreed on all points, but especially #2. My fear is the writers would get too excited and overuse Batman to the point the show morphs into “Superman and Batman”. No thank you.
I 100% agree with your second point. I didn’t get nearly enough family moments in season two so I don’t want any extra characters thrown in until things are rebalanced. Batman crossover stuff would inevitably come out of Lane-Kent screen time, not Cushing screen time.
I second that. I have been always skeptical about crossovers which ever they may be because it will only eat screentime/focus on the main characters of the show. We havent got sufficient focus on the Kents last season because they wanted to bring attention on the side characters.
Actually, there's a lot more things to explore about the super family they haven't dug yet so adding more characters will just make the Kents supporting casts yet again.
Yeah, I feel like crossovers already make pacing difficult and since that was all over the place already last season, I’m not anxious to make it any more difficult.
I think this is such a crux of the problem with season 2. For whatever reason, it felt like everything was at the expense of the Lane-Kent family.
The thing is, Lois and Clark and the boys are incredible fascinating and intresting characters. That doesn't always happen, sometimes the folks leading the show aren't (The Gifted which was an X-men spin off had this problem, the family at the center was really uninteresting and annoying compared to the rest of the cast).
If these writers are struggling with Lane-Kent story or if they find them uninteresting to write, then it's a problem with the writers, not the characters. It is pretty much universally agreed on by the audience that Superman and Lois are the best part of Superman & Lois. Like, I don't understand why that's such a hard concept.
I would have loved to see Warren Christie as a mature Batman for one season of this show.
However, after the incoherent mess of last season, and the apparent inability of the writers to do justice to the principal characters while meeting commitments to the large ensemble, I would say no.
I completely agree. Batman isn't side-character material; he's so popular that he dominates basically the entire narrative focus whenever he appears. If they want a CW Batman, it needs to be done through giving him his own show.
And the thing is, for a Batman appearance to really work for this kind of show, it wouldn't *just* be Batman. They'd have to bring in more of the extended family for the twins to have someone to play off of as well, unless we're just expected to sit through the twins fanboying over Batman for some reason for however long he's on screen. So that's even more screentime being diverted away from character development and fluff in order to facilitate the development of side-characters. I'm sure Batman and Robin character development would be infinitely more well received than Cushing development, but that doesn't really solve the initial problem of lackluster Lane-Kent development in the first place.
Good points but for the third i think they could do something similar to what they did with Daredevil in She Hulk, establish him as vigilante who is only knowed in Gotham and have him go to Smallville due to all the strange things that are happening
I think She-Hulk was such a different show in that regard. It had a sort of villain of the week, so a quick team up made sense.
I think throwing 2 additional characters into a crowded line up is too much. Often, season 2 felt like the cast of 15 stars, season regulars, and guest stars were all competing to be THE STAR (TM) which lead to too much over crowding. She-Hulk had already adjusted for that from the start.
If they did a version of BATMAN #37 to introduce "our version of Batman" in this universe I'd be super happy. [https://ew.com/books/2017/12/19/batman-37-preview-superman/](https://ew.com/books/2017/12/19/batman-37-preview-superman/)
I will say, this is the only Batman comic I own and yes, I ammend everything I said about not wanting a crossover. If this is what we got as a a Batman crossover, just Lois and Clark and Bruce and Selena on a double date with really cute Clois, then I am absolutely sold, let's get this done tomorrow.
I absolutely love that little crossover, especially the portion where Superman and Batman are telling Lois and Selina what they think of each other, and it's revealed that they both think of each other as "the better man". I live for wholesome moments like that.
It could, but there’s that fear that it could lead many to demand a CW Batman show despite the character being overexposed as it is. Or even the fear he could be overly exposed on the show itself despite not being about him. But I would love to see him on the show, and also Wonder Woman too.
I’m against them adding Batman in, unless they make/establish a batman show first and get a couple seasons in. If they had a batman show that was similar in quality, then I could see it working. But just tossing in a version of the characters that we haven’t met yet would just feel wrong
Maybe this is coming off of the hype of the supersons movie but I’m in. Preferably it’ll start with just Damian coming and have Batman be mentioned rather than actually appear in the show. That way it avoids all the red tape around the character.
It’s really confusing. I don’t think it’s necessarily “rights” more so DC/WB not giving CW permission; legally they could but WB doesn’t want them to. They don’t like characters appearing in different versions in both movies and live action TV usually. Sometimes they make weird exceptions like Flash or Smallville/Superman Returns but Batman is the #1 character they’re most protective over
It's not that they don't want them in different versions, it's that they don't want a TV version while there is a movie version...or if they are vaguely ever thinking about making a movie version in any possible timeline that could conceivably exist. (And apparently, they are always imagining making a Batman movie!)
Flash and Smallville both already existed as successful TV shows when they decided to make the movies, so they weren't going to cancel the show... Although they did pull Constantine out of Legends Of Tomorrow. (A move that looks more and more nonsensical as more and more time passes.) Superman and Lois only really exists because of Supergirl.
DC: Caring so much about not diluting their major characters that they don't bother to actually use any of their major characters.
I've always liked the idea of having Batman in the show, but *only* in flashbacks. For the present day, having him around would probably feel redundant, since John Henry Irons/Steel is basically the Bruce Wayne/Batman of the show.
Clark's been Superman for a really long time, so by this point in his history, he should have already met Batman (if he even exists in this universe). Maybe somewhere along the line, Bruce disappeared without a trace (like on Earth-Prime). This could then lead to Damian coming to Smallville looking for answers after he figures out that Clark Kent is Superman. This could then lead to him bonding with Jonathan and Jordan.
I hope so, just because it opens the possibility of a Batman show happening.
In terms of whether it would actually be conducive to a good S&L story, well maybe. It would depend on how they did it. If they made it clear he was a special guest character and not meant to be integrated into the main cast, like Superman was initially on Supergirl, and if they established he and Clark already have a relationship then sure.
The plot would be hard to justify... Batman coming to Metropolis, sure. But Batman coming to Smallville? I think it would have to be a family road trip episode where they went to him, for whatever reason
As i said in other comments we could just make Batman go to Smallville due to either him being sus on what's happening there or Bruce Wayne being there for something involving Wayne Enterprises
Btw thanks for your reply!
God, I hope so, the whole best-friend - partnership with Damian is an indispensable part of Superboy. But it's really hard with what's been going on in the Arrowverse right now so I don't think we're gonna see Batman anytime soon.
Damian, however, could still somehow finds his way (from another Earth, maybe?) to the show. We've got many hints about other Earths, Tal-Rho traveling to Bizarro World, and General Sam already mentioning seeing other Earths and teams of superheroes when he was in charge of the DoD.
It would the mind-blowing if they somehow can (properly) bring Robin to see the Kent boys. Can't wait to see Damian getting crazy with facing Jordan and Jon, doubling the troubles he's having with the comic Jon Kent :))))
As much as I would love to see Damian with Jordan and Jon (and see which one he would get along with) idk if that can happen simply cuz it’s a bit weird how no one has mentioned other Superheroes. Like what would the storyline be? Batman becomes suspicious of everything in Smallvill so Brucie and his youngest go on a random vacation to there and Clark is super sus of Bruce especially since him and Lois used to date (man comics are complicated) meanwhile Damian is getting info by hanging out with the other teenagers in his public persona (what is that by the way like is it ever established in the comics how he acts in public towards others?) and him and the twins either not getting along at first or he only gets along with one of them. Both families find out about each other’s secret and get along by the end of the 3 episode arc Edit:spelling
It seems to me that Damian is too 'cool' to have a public persona and hang out with 'normal' people btw (and given his dark history). But it would be fun to see he was forced by Bruce to socialize with the boys and get more information from them (if things happen like your storyline).
Like I kinda agree but I feel he would understand the need for it especially since Bruce, Dick and Tim all have ones to different degrees.
As i said in another comment i think they could do something similar to what they did with Daredevil in She Hulk, establish him as a vigilante who is only knowed in Gotham and have him go to Smallville for some reasons, either him being sus on something that's happening there or Bruce Wayne being there for something involving Wayne Enterprises. Btw your concept isn't bad either!
Ooo that’s a great idea. Honestly mine comes from the fact that I love Damian and comic!Jon friendship and I want to see a version of it in live action. That and in season 1 I would say he would get along with Jon more but now idk
I would really like to see Damian and Jon friendship as well, i would generaly like to see Damian in live action since we didn't get it yet
They don't really have to do that, they've sort of already established that Oliver existed and died. (Via their retcon of making this a different universe.) The statement was about other superpowered people, there's no indication that masked vigilantes in general don't exist in this universe, just that none of them have superpowers, or at least not super powers at anywhere near the level of Superman. There's no problem with having a Batman already, nor with Clark having met him.
Fair point
Batman isn't a superhero.
... how do you define superhero then?
You have SUPERpowers, Batman is just a hero.
Controversial statement but I respect it. Does that mean you don't count Steel or Iron Man as superheroes?
If it meant less Lana/Cushing drama, sure.
So, I'm going to argue "no" on a few points. 1. John Henry Irons is already fulfilling the role of "Batman" in a lot of ways and should become that Superhero confidante for Clark. He is already holding on to the Kryptonite. 2. The cast is already big and they are already having trouble serving the Lane-Kent narrative effectively. No crossovers until we get that covered. Having Batman would just steal more narrative focus from the core four. 3. If they are going to put Batman on TV, give him a second to breath before they force a crossover. While I'm not really a fan of the Snyderverse on any level, forcing BvS before either Clark or Bruce were fully fleshed out is a consistent crtisim of that franchise.
Agreed on all points, but especially #2. My fear is the writers would get too excited and overuse Batman to the point the show morphs into “Superman and Batman”. No thank you.
I 100% agree with your second point. I didn’t get nearly enough family moments in season two so I don’t want any extra characters thrown in until things are rebalanced. Batman crossover stuff would inevitably come out of Lane-Kent screen time, not Cushing screen time.
I second that. I have been always skeptical about crossovers which ever they may be because it will only eat screentime/focus on the main characters of the show. We havent got sufficient focus on the Kents last season because they wanted to bring attention on the side characters. Actually, there's a lot more things to explore about the super family they haven't dug yet so adding more characters will just make the Kents supporting casts yet again.
Yeah, I feel like crossovers already make pacing difficult and since that was all over the place already last season, I’m not anxious to make it any more difficult.
I think this is such a crux of the problem with season 2. For whatever reason, it felt like everything was at the expense of the Lane-Kent family. The thing is, Lois and Clark and the boys are incredible fascinating and intresting characters. That doesn't always happen, sometimes the folks leading the show aren't (The Gifted which was an X-men spin off had this problem, the family at the center was really uninteresting and annoying compared to the rest of the cast). If these writers are struggling with Lane-Kent story or if they find them uninteresting to write, then it's a problem with the writers, not the characters. It is pretty much universally agreed on by the audience that Superman and Lois are the best part of Superman & Lois. Like, I don't understand why that's such a hard concept.
Yeah there is a massive amount of story potential with these characters and it was frustrating to see so much stuff shuffled off to the side.
I would have loved to see Warren Christie as a mature Batman for one season of this show. However, after the incoherent mess of last season, and the apparent inability of the writers to do justice to the principal characters while meeting commitments to the large ensemble, I would say no.
I completely agree. Batman isn't side-character material; he's so popular that he dominates basically the entire narrative focus whenever he appears. If they want a CW Batman, it needs to be done through giving him his own show. And the thing is, for a Batman appearance to really work for this kind of show, it wouldn't *just* be Batman. They'd have to bring in more of the extended family for the twins to have someone to play off of as well, unless we're just expected to sit through the twins fanboying over Batman for some reason for however long he's on screen. So that's even more screentime being diverted away from character development and fluff in order to facilitate the development of side-characters. I'm sure Batman and Robin character development would be infinitely more well received than Cushing development, but that doesn't really solve the initial problem of lackluster Lane-Kent development in the first place.
Good points but for the third i think they could do something similar to what they did with Daredevil in She Hulk, establish him as vigilante who is only knowed in Gotham and have him go to Smallville due to all the strange things that are happening
I think She-Hulk was such a different show in that regard. It had a sort of villain of the week, so a quick team up made sense. I think throwing 2 additional characters into a crowded line up is too much. Often, season 2 felt like the cast of 15 stars, season regulars, and guest stars were all competing to be THE STAR (TM) which lead to too much over crowding. She-Hulk had already adjusted for that from the start.
If they did a version of BATMAN #37 to introduce "our version of Batman" in this universe I'd be super happy. [https://ew.com/books/2017/12/19/batman-37-preview-superman/](https://ew.com/books/2017/12/19/batman-37-preview-superman/)
I will say, this is the only Batman comic I own and yes, I ammend everything I said about not wanting a crossover. If this is what we got as a a Batman crossover, just Lois and Clark and Bruce and Selena on a double date with really cute Clois, then I am absolutely sold, let's get this done tomorrow.
I absolutely love that little crossover, especially the portion where Superman and Batman are telling Lois and Selina what they think of each other, and it's revealed that they both think of each other as "the better man". I live for wholesome moments like that.
It could, but there’s that fear that it could lead many to demand a CW Batman show despite the character being overexposed as it is. Or even the fear he could be overly exposed on the show itself despite not being about him. But I would love to see him on the show, and also Wonder Woman too.
I’m against them adding Batman in, unless they make/establish a batman show first and get a couple seasons in. If they had a batman show that was similar in quality, then I could see it working. But just tossing in a version of the characters that we haven’t met yet would just feel wrong
Maybe this is coming off of the hype of the supersons movie but I’m in. Preferably it’ll start with just Damian coming and have Batman be mentioned rather than actually appear in the show. That way it avoids all the red tape around the character.
No,WBTV don’t have rights for using Batman,only DCEU can use him
Wait really? I didn't knew WBTV didn't have the rights to Batman, who have it then?
It’s really confusing. I don’t think it’s necessarily “rights” more so DC/WB not giving CW permission; legally they could but WB doesn’t want them to. They don’t like characters appearing in different versions in both movies and live action TV usually. Sometimes they make weird exceptions like Flash or Smallville/Superman Returns but Batman is the #1 character they’re most protective over
It's not that they don't want them in different versions, it's that they don't want a TV version while there is a movie version...or if they are vaguely ever thinking about making a movie version in any possible timeline that could conceivably exist. (And apparently, they are always imagining making a Batman movie!) Flash and Smallville both already existed as successful TV shows when they decided to make the movies, so they weren't going to cancel the show... Although they did pull Constantine out of Legends Of Tomorrow. (A move that looks more and more nonsensical as more and more time passes.) Superman and Lois only really exists because of Supergirl. DC: Caring so much about not diluting their major characters that they don't bother to actually use any of their major characters.
Why just to put him on show of his own then say he's a different batman from another earth. Nahh, I'm good.
I can see Sean Kanan and Gavin Casalegno as Batman/Bruce Wayne and Robin/Damian Wayne respectively.
I've always liked the idea of having Batman in the show, but *only* in flashbacks. For the present day, having him around would probably feel redundant, since John Henry Irons/Steel is basically the Bruce Wayne/Batman of the show. Clark's been Superman for a really long time, so by this point in his history, he should have already met Batman (if he even exists in this universe). Maybe somewhere along the line, Bruce disappeared without a trace (like on Earth-Prime). This could then lead to Damian coming to Smallville looking for answers after he figures out that Clark Kent is Superman. This could then lead to him bonding with Jonathan and Jordan.
I hope so, just because it opens the possibility of a Batman show happening. In terms of whether it would actually be conducive to a good S&L story, well maybe. It would depend on how they did it. If they made it clear he was a special guest character and not meant to be integrated into the main cast, like Superman was initially on Supergirl, and if they established he and Clark already have a relationship then sure. The plot would be hard to justify... Batman coming to Metropolis, sure. But Batman coming to Smallville? I think it would have to be a family road trip episode where they went to him, for whatever reason
As i said in other comments we could just make Batman go to Smallville due to either him being sus on what's happening there or Bruce Wayne being there for something involving Wayne Enterprises Btw thanks for your reply!
God, I hope so, the whole best-friend - partnership with Damian is an indispensable part of Superboy. But it's really hard with what's been going on in the Arrowverse right now so I don't think we're gonna see Batman anytime soon. Damian, however, could still somehow finds his way (from another Earth, maybe?) to the show. We've got many hints about other Earths, Tal-Rho traveling to Bizarro World, and General Sam already mentioning seeing other Earths and teams of superheroes when he was in charge of the DoD. It would the mind-blowing if they somehow can (properly) bring Robin to see the Kent boys. Can't wait to see Damian getting crazy with facing Jordan and Jon, doubling the troubles he's having with the comic Jon Kent :))))