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Bonk_Paradise

kapatid is ok or just follow the customs of others countries and just let them call you by your name


carlorb

tol or utol?


jammingkambing

I think a lot of other people here gave good suggestions (kap, kapatid, etc.). Pero kung ako lang parang mas maganda gumawa ka na lang ng sarili mong salita na angkop talaga sa iyo at sa iyong pagkatao. That being said: parang ang ganda ng tunog ng Boss haha


Coffeee24

\+ 1000 sa Boss hahaha (I have a friend na pag naglolokohan kami, we call each other "Boss")


ChikubiUtong

Ka + (pangalan) Kaka Boss


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intergalacticninja

>Mamser Please read the rules for /r/Tagalog (see sidebar) before commenting here. Please don't troll or mislead people by posting joke responses to questions.


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intergalacticninja

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intergalacticninja

> Eows pows. > 🤣 Please read the rules for /r/Tagalog (see sidebar) before commenting here. Please don't troll or mislead people by posting joke responses to questions.


Kaye_Kat

I'm sorry for all the enbyphobic replies


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Thanks! Not as much as I expected tho so that makes me happy


bruhidkanymore1

You can let then use “tol” Although it’s kinda used like “dude,” it comes from the word “utol” from “kap**utol**,” which means “kapatid,” a gender neutral word.


gineannedile

KUTE (pronounced as ku-te) Naalala ko lang na yan ang tawag ni Maya (Jodi Sta. maria) kay Ice Seguerra sa Be Careful with my heart. 😊


TonguetiedTalker

I don't really have a recommendation because I'm sure others have it covered, but I want to say that it's so cool that we're trying to patch up that gap in our language. While others would say "we don't have a word for that" or "English is better because it already has those words", others try to pitch in and bridge that gap. Queering a language can be difficult but it is possible. Just look at local beki-/swardspeak, a locally made queer language that's popularly used by gay men that's even bled to mainstream usage. We will continue queering the language, whether homophobes push back or not. We've been doing it for years and irrelevant comments on the Internet will not stop people from finding words that validate their experience. I hope you find yours <333


DeicideRegalia

Oi? Pst? Ate-Kuya? Kapatid?


CookingMistake

I used Kapatid hanggang maalala ko na tawagan nga pala ng INC members yun. Sib/Sibs, Kap/Kaps.


Potential_Pitch_7618

Lods


choasdaemon

Bes


Dude080504

Kaka


EmmaTheRuthless

Ka or Kaka


roelm2

Are you the eldest sibling? They can use *kakâ*.


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intergalacticninja

> mamser Please read the rules for /r/Tagalog (see sidebar) before commenting here. Please don't troll or mislead people by posting joke responses to questions.


Honorary_Badger

Tol is probably the best. Or just your first name/nickname.


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Budget_Speech_3078

Ahahaha. Call me master. Haha


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godofnature

is this enbyphobic


Budget_Speech_3078

Yes, it is possible na discrimination ito. Ganun talaga, bago ito and this type of thing comes from west na nakakainis yung pronoun nila, yung they/them na di mo maintindihan kung isa lang ba sila o madami. Meron naman tayong gender neutral pronoun. Hindi naman tayo katulad ng sa west. We already have a list of gender neutral pronoun that was developed through the years aside from "sya" or other gender neutral pronoun natin. Example of gender neutral that was developed through the years are: lodi or idol. Master Boss, Mamser, At madami pa. Our language evolve easily than the others. You cam create your own.


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>Mamser, Ayaw ni mod ng mamser even if this is an actual colloquial phenomenon that is not used to insult a gender/sexuality but more of a morphing of "hello/dear ma'am/sir" Kapag sinabi sao ng guard."hello mamser", insulto ba yun?


intergalacticninja

> Kapag sinabi sao ng guard."hello mamser", insulto ba yun? Basahin mo post ni OP. Hindi tinatanong ni OP kung ano dapat itawag sa kanya ng guard. Tinatanong ni OP kung ano ang dapat itawag sa kanya ng mga kapatid niya. >I need a gender neutral way for my younger siblings to address me **** >a morphing of "hello/dear ma'am/sir" Bakit mo tatawaging ma'am / sir ang *kapatid* mo? Kung nagbibiruan o nagpapatawa ka pwede, kung hindi, rule 2 sa sidebar.


Budget_Speech_3078

Yes, i agree. Tama ka. Di ko din nabasa ng maayos yung tinatanong nung OP. Literal na kapatid pala.


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Budget_Speech_3078

O yeah! Pati ba naman dito sa pinas. Potek, naiirita talaga ko dun sa they/them nila. Di mo maintindihan kung isa lang ba o madami.


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yes_that-guy

Sis


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RoyalSereneHighness

Isn’t mamser kinda offensive like how “ladyboy” has a negative connotation? With Filipino, I think I would call the non-binaries “Kaibigan” or “Kababayan” .


RoyalSereneHighness

This is why I prefer the English more since it’s more updated with correct political terms. Like for transgendered people, they’re still referred to as “bakla” in Filipino. But I came across this article proposing to call them “Palitsari”


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Bakla does not really mean gay or homosexual men. It is however, often **mis**translated to gay/homosexual men because the conception of noncisgender in the Philippines and in the West are not exactly the same The problem here is that the conversation of LGBTQ+ in non Western countries is often deemed as "wrong" or "inferior" to the Western interpretation as if only the Western discussion is the "correct way". Bakla has more to do with *performative* than actual sexuality. That is why "effeminate men", feminine gay men, transgender are under the *bakla* umbrella. And yes, there are baklas that are in a genuine heterosexual relationships because bakla does not exclusively mean homosexual men. It is a term that is used to refer to those who were born with the XY chromosomes but express themselves as feminine. It does not matter if they are attracted to straight males, gay men, transgender woman, straight woman, etc... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14649370050141140?journalCode=riac20 *Bakla* is like the word Badjao or Igorot. There are people who use it as derogatory but its original meaning isn't [Badjao is an actual ethnic group](https://bch.bangsamoro.gov.ph/bangsamoro-cultural-heritage/bangsamoro-tribes-muslim/badjao/), but has been used by many people to mean "beggar"; while Igorot used to be a word that meant "backward and uncivilized people" but actual indigenous Cordillerans have reclaimed the world the past few years and has become a source of pride with the declaration of ["Igorotak".](https://www.flickr.com/photos/father05/4540957068) *Bakla* (and Badjao) should be the same. It should be **reclaimed** instead of being "banned" because some people attached negative connotation to it.


RoyalSereneHighness

Yeah I know that Bakla isn’t the precise terminology for Homosexual guys either since it’s referred to gender expression, I don’t know why you assumed I meant Bakla as homosexual guys. A word for homosexual men that has a more neutral connotation is “Binabae” and with Lesbians as “Binalaki”. I also didn’t say that the West has the only deserving and correct conversation or terms for the LGBT, but we can’t deny how it’s more specific than the Filipino language in this regard, which may prevent further confusion and misunderstanding of the community. Yes, the implication of the word “bakla” is dependent on the user and social context. There are effeminate men and ever other ppl in the LGBT+ spectrum who use it to each other in an endearing way. Truly reclaiming a word takes a long time, but in the present there are members of the LGBT+ community who may still have associations with “bakla” of their unpleasant or traumatic homophobic/queer-phobic experiences.


bruhidkanymore1

> A word for homosexual that has a more neutral connotation is “Binabae” and with Lesbians as “Binalaki” These terms are quite outdated. Hindi lahat ng homosexual men ay babae gumalaw o gusto maging babae. So not as neutral as you might think. In fact, they may be limiting. Marami ding mga gay men attracted lang sa same sex pero lalaki din kung gumalaw. Tinatawag pa silang “paminta” dahil doon. Hindi kami limitado sa mga bakla na nagsusuot ng pambabaeng damit. Iba sa amin nasa leather scene o nagpapamacho lalo (o minsan magpataba nang kaunti para maging “bear”) para magmukhang kaakit-akit. Ganoon din sa mga lesbians. May mga lesbians na feminine traits pa rin, attracted lang sa same sex. Kaya nakaka-limit pakinggan na tawagin bilang “binabae” o “binalaki” as if na porke attracted ka sa same-sex, dapat bihis/galaw-babae ka kung gay man ka o bihis/galaw-lalaki kung lesbian ka.


RoyalSereneHighness

I know the distinctions between sexual orientation and gender expression, so I don’t appreciate you mansplaining it to me. If you think those words aren’t updated or neutral, then what Filipino words would you propose to describe the SEXUAL ORIENTATION then? ( a follow up question to you so that your comment is value adding and not just for the sake of arguing and mansplaining like you’re doing now ) Binabae and binalake/i don’t require a person to act feminine or masculine, respectively. That word has multiple meanings, which I acknowledge is not the perfectly concise word for homosexuals but at least it’s more neutral sounding and specific than “bakla” (effeminate). Another Filipino word for a homosexual guy is “bayot” which I think is commonly used by people as something negative as well. Your own hypocritical comment shows bias and limiting/restricting beliefs also on the words “bae” and “laki” with gender stereotypes of femininity and masculinity. http://intersections.anu.edu.au/issue19/ricordeau_review.htm


bruhidkanymore1

Foreign-based words are usually being used now. I apologize if you felt like I’m being hypocritical or mansplaining everything to you. It wasn’t my intention and thank you for providing me this source. I was just worried people might still resort to further stereotypes even when binabae and binalaki are used no matter how much you explain to them because of their root words. Even if binabae doesn’t necessarily mean a man should be feminine, if these words are reintroduced in modern Pinoy lingo, there’s a worry that common people might just make fun of it


RoyalSereneHighness

Hii I would also like to apologize for my accusatory tone. I understand naman na we both have the same positive hopes and regards for the lgbtq+ community. Thank you for still being respectful :) May love always win.


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intergalacticninja

> kuyate Please read the rules for /r/Tagalog (see sidebar) before commenting here. Please don't troll or mislead people by posting joke responses to questions.


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intergalacticninja

Please read the rules for /r/Tagalog (see sidebar) before commenting here. Please don't troll or mislead people by posting joke responses to questions.


DocNightfall

Not joking. Please see the following references for "mamser" as a nonbinary Tagalog term of address. It has been part of the Tagalog colloquial for years already. https://interaksyon.philstar.com/trends-spotlights/2022/07/26/223332/just-use-filipinos-san-diego-comic-con-page-draws-flak-for-using-filipinx-term/amp/ https://www.tagalog.com/dictionary/also_spelled.php?translation_entry_id=14641&e=3d46a3 https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/imxf3c/gender_neutral_for_filipinos/ Thanks for your concern as a mod. Keep up the good work!


intergalacticninja

Using that word in the context specified by OP, is a joke. Links 1 and 3 both reference the word in a joke context. Both are from posts by random social media users. I don't think tagalog.com is a valid scholarly/academic reference, especially since its definition is devoid of the context on how the word is used.


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movingcloser

Tol


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I'd go by first name


ShibariEmpress

kabise haha


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BananaSunday4627

Yo


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intergalacticninja

> Putangina > 😁 Please read the rules for /r/Tagalog (see sidebar) before commenting here. Please don't troll or mislead people by posting joke responses to questions.


Mako_Shark_

ik ure nnbnry but me n my sister call eahch other boi in a way that it's used as a gn term. it's like bro, or man, or dude. ig using these sorts of terms depend a bit on yalls relationship i.e. if youre close enough to act like friends n stuff. u could also always use kapatid, but who even calls their sibs that anymore even. if none r applicable, get referred by your name/nickname


PaRantLangUlit

Hi OP, I understand you want to be acknowledged with your gender, however it seems we dont have here at Ph. But do you have anything in mind you want to be called with in that equivalent? Like a nickname specifically for them to call you?


qalejaw

>Hi OP, I understand you want to be acknowledged with your gender, They went to be addressed *without* reference to gender. >however it seems we dont have here at Ph. Meron nga tayo—*kakâ*.


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Budget_Speech_3078

Wala pa tayong gender neutral for kuya or ate. We have some alternatives naman. We have lodi, kute, master, mamser at iba pa. Bago pa lang kasi sya. In writing, meron tayong "sya" at "nya" . Kung wala dun ang pinag-uusapan, "sya" din ang ginagamit if you don't want to identify yung gender "nya". Pero you guys just make a new one. Wag naman they/them, gagamitin naman namin yun eh.


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intergalacticninja

> "Old you". Most direct and simple alternative. How is "Old you" Tagalog?


Linkirer

Tagalog includes any and all english words by the very definition of the language. Or do you think that anyone knowing Tagalog will not know those 2 words (old + you)?


intergalacticninja

>Tagalog includes any and all english words by the very definition of the language I'm confused. Why would Tagalog include any and all English words? They're different languages. Pretty sure "old you" is English, not Tagalog. It doesn't even make sense in the context of OP's question. Why would OP's siblings call OP "old you"? OP is looking for a *Tagalog* word, that's why they posted in /r/Tagalog, not in /r/EnglishLearning.


Linkirer

You are confusing Tagalog with Malay. Yeah, Malay includes only Malay. Add English and Spanish and you got Tagalog.


intergalacticninja

>Tagalog includes any and all english words by the very definition of the language. >Add English and Spanish and you got Tagalog. I'm not sure what definition you're talking about. Any Tagalog-speaker could tell you that Tagalog only has *some* English and Spanish words, and *not* "any and all" English/Spanish words. >You are confusing Tagalog with Malay. Yeah, Malay includes only Malay. I'm not sure how Malay is related here. Malay is a different language and is not mutually intelligible with Tagalog.


capulongjopoy

PAR, this is a gender neutral term of endearment. You can say "Sige, una ulo. San na kasama niyo Par? Wala na par"


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Par/Pards/Pare is actually gendered. The feminine version of it is Mar/Mars/Mare


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GingFreecss536

lodz boss


BringItOnHotdog

Boss. I call my former LGBT colleagues boss and they don't mind it. They will tell you what you should address them pag ayaw nila nung boss. ('name' na lang or sir na lang or ate na lang)


Every-Function-3181

i feel like after a certain age people stop using ate/kuya anyway. my younger cousins stopped referring to me as such now that we’re all 18+ and just refer to me by my first name. hindi naman ako nababastusan, unless you don’t feel comfortable na tawagin ka lang ng first name by people younger than you.


Pin_aaaata

These are suggestions from some of my kids when I tried a similar activity on fun pet names. Master(ma), overseer(ver), warden(ard), geriatric (ger), and my personal favourite elder (el-el). I try to make it as fun for the kids as possible. It helps them build vocabulary. Hahahahaha


ReginaGeorge_1

Ung nickname mo nalang


PreparationOld4233

kiti.


chro000

You could make one up. I’d suggest “Teks”, a shortened version of “atekuya”. Or “Maning”, a neutral sounding form of Manong/Manang (Cebuano for sibling Kuya/Ate, not old person). Or “Dugs/Kads” short for Kadugo. Okay the first one sounds like “dugyot” hahaha but whatever.


Kulog555

Kabsat


Designer_Apricot_802

Hoy or Ikaw


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Yung gamit ng mga tao sa malls. MamSir


Clifferent_Enough

We called our uncle's gay kasambahay "Kute" (mix of kuya and ate)


pickled_luya

My friend is called "idol" by their younger siblings, nieces and nephews. Old Southern Tagalog uses kakâ for an older sibling. Pero generation na lang ng nanay ko ang naririnig Kong gumagamit nun - 60s to 70s people


Born-Masterpiece-583

nakshie/ kapatidshie


qalejaw

*Kakâ* is older sibling. It's also from Proto-Austronesian unlike *kuya* & *ate* which are from Hokkien Chinese. You can have them call you *ka + name*. I have also seen *kuyate* from Filipino-Americans. You may want to look into that. Another possibility would be to create one based on *manong*/*manang*. *Maneng*, maybe?