I hope he does eventually. Look I know this probably won’t be popular here but imo we deserve to know as stakeholders.
To adapt a quote from Ted Lasso “it’s our team, Nancy is just borrowing it”
I think it’s perfectly fair for the reporter to ask that question and fans wanting transparency. I also think Nancy can handle it however he sees fit and keeping it on the low is his choice. In Nancy we trust.
That being said, Cucho could have been huge for us tonight. Hopefully it’s all squared away now and he gets a little time this weekend before getting absolutely unleashed in Mexico next week
For those that think this is a terrible look on Nancy, what do you think it would say if Cucho faced no repercussions for attacking staff?
I think a lot of folks here are underselling Nancy’s man management and are more concerned with catering to our best player and rolling out the red carpet. Yes, it would have been a game changer for Cucho to have played tonight. But we also should have made more on the opportunities that we didn’t capitalize on.
The problem isn’t that there is punishment for action, the problem is that they are afraid to communicate it to the fans. Fans know Cucho is the star, so just say:
“We have policies on this team about the way we expect players to interact with their teammates, coaches, and staff, and we don’t think Cucho has lived up to those policies. It was a difficult situation as we know how much he means to the team and how passionate he is on the field, but in the end no player is above the rules. As a result we have suspended him for 2 games and he will be back when we take on DC United this Saturday”.
Why is that so hard?
Entitlement. That's why it's hard.
You don't deserve to know.
HR shouldn't blast why someone gets fired.
The team shouldn't blast their own internal drama.
With the insane amount of money we pay the team for tickets, souvenirs, concessions, we are deserved more of an answer than that. I don't trust the FO and probably never will.
Exactly. Also, how can Cucho save face if they air dirty laundry out to the media? This is as much about protecting Nancy and leadership as it is the disciplined player.
Feels damned if you do and damned if you don’t to me. Say nothing and we suspect the worst. There is no win here, I think they may as well keep us informed.
To be fair, that's social media for your. Most arguments are a spectrum, but social media forces us into a false dichotomy - "you're either with me or against me."
Sucks, to be honest.
I'm in the camp that we don't have to be informed unless it's corrupt. Nancy isn't corrupt in my opinion. In fact, I see him as a Ted Lasso
I don’t think this is a case of them being afraid to address the issues publicly, they are clearly trying to keep the rift internal. I agree that your statement would have been much simpler (well written btw), but there may be other factors in play we aren’t aware of.
I’m of the opinion that fans don’t need to know details so long as management can see a path forward, but both sides are valid. If things deteriorate further though, they certainly can’t stay silent.
I guess that’s the life of MLS. Lack of information and leaving fans in the dark about player availability. No other popular sports league in the world comes close to the non-visibility we have here
If anything it brings more questions. Could we have won if our best offensive player who accounts for about half the goals and was involved in most other goals was active?
Yeah, but press conferences happen after hard games. It is litterally the time where uninformed people ask informed people for information. Facing these question is so much a part of the job coaches get fined for not doing it. It’s also why issuing a statement is called “getting ahead of it” or “controlling the narrative”.
A VERY common post game presser question is “what do you feel you could’ve done differently?” And when an available answer to that is to made the choice to NOT bench your best player, it deserves to be asked.
"deserves" lol.
Entitlement.
If you suspect corruption, sure.
This isn't corruption. This is ignorance on behalf of the fans supporting click bait media.
I mean, a game where the best player on this team could have made the difference between a tie and a loss? They’re going to ask… yall make it seem like Cucho isn’t an MVP candidate to this point.
And he has every right to answer like that.
Nobody is saying that about Cucho. Everyone knows what he means to the team but this could be a situation that if Nancy ignored it, it could have killed the locker room.
Yeah Ramirez and his entire family would’ve been like “nah bro, you can’t go feed giraffes with us anymore” grow up. Nancy is handling this horribly and everybody is circle jerking it
So you'd allow a player that stepped way out of line to circumvent the outlined process for penance on the team? Easy to see why you aren't fit to make the decisions.
Cucho fucked up and he's the one to blame for the draw if you're so inclined to point the finger.
Way out of line? You got the proof of what was said? People argue with their coaches all the time. Travis Kelce yelled at his coach in the middle of the game. Did he get suspended? Or do people in the club not understand that competitive passion can come with outbursts in the middle of competition? You’re an idiot.
I disagree. And again you miss what that means.
Let's say Cucho wasn't suspended for lets just assume the fit. Then a week later Yaw does the same thing and gets sat for 2 games, do you think the locker room is going to be fine with that? That is what I mean by could.
Unjustifiable. Did you not watch Steve scream at Malte spring because he was making some mistakes on the pitch? After every match they would hug and move on. These guys are paid competitors. Nancy LITERALLY wasn’t even there. Can he say he heard both sides? Can he tell us he wanted to let Cucho resolve it alone and he didn’t?
We deserve clarity in to WHY he chose suspension for an incident he was states away from.
Cucho is friends with plenty in the locker room. I doubt him being upset about being pulled off in a game that he could impact will cost his friendships.
Not what I meant by destroying a locker room.
Anyone that thinks he is going to say why is going to be sadly waiting for awhile. He is doing what he feels is the right move and by his track record im going to trust his decision.
My biggest complaint is that by doing this Nancy allows speculation, rumors, and theories to grow. Instead of saying “Cucho did this.. we said he would miss this many games and then he will be back” it allows the media to speculate and the fans to speculate. It’s not good for anyone and in a game where we tied where he may have been a difference maker? Now a pretty picture.
I get that bit I think Nancy is trying to respect Cucho by not releasing what happened. I think it started in Charlotte and carried over to a training session. And the last thing Nancy wants to say is that Cucho is throwing fits or causing issues in the staff because it would hurt his image.
He can easily say “Cucho broke team policy, as a result we mutually agreed he would miss two games” instead it’s growing into something the entire league is focusing on. That’s the issue.
And we controlled that game without Cucho and Camacho?
Maybe you should focus on the good our 'secondary' guys did, instead of condoning the team attacks our star did?
It's more like the same people who think of themselves as ultra fans want ultra inside information, even if damaging to the club, because of how much they support the team but also are paying customers that are entitled to selection information because they may not have decided to patron if a single player isn't fielded.
What? The people who want a public statement why our best player wasn’t available are the people who think that situation should have been behind closed doors? I don’t understand how you reached that logical conclusion
I'm with Nancy.
I know, as fans, it's frustrating to not know the whole picture. But they didn't give us the details before the Nashville match. They didn't tell us after the Nashville match. They didn't tell us before the Tigres match. What made anyone think he was going to tell us five minutes after the Tigres match?
We just played our hearts out in an international game, got a draw, and had some (real or perceived) questionable officiating. And people want to ask about someone that wasn't on the field? Wrong time, wrong place.
Nancy isn't sitting him for X # of games for a "rule violation". Willing to bet this isn't about someone serving their time for a crime as it is about getting parole for being rehabilitated with the system.
I'm willing to bet a 25 year old is reading headlines and stat sheets and his ego is seen as perhaps starting to exceed that of his team or more likely coaching staff (100% speculation).
I'm also willing to bet that Nancy's internal constitution on team/system/greater good is so strong that if his current best player can't buy into that concept and his role + the team dynamics (ie. Finishing, chance creation etc) are becoming too dependent on that player that is becoming bigger than the tean - he may not be the best player for this team anymore........just the best player on it.
I'm a huge Cucho fan. I want this resolved for all parties for the long term health of the team, vs seeing someone serve their time and get back out there without being fixed.
Welcome to leadership - I think Nancy is playing chess and many on here are playing checkers. Hoping for a good outcome.
I'm certainly in support of possibly the greatest coach we've had that we're lucky to retain for a short number of years. Can't believe fans want to burn him early and entice him to leave sooner over having some integrity. Feels more like the melodramatics want a shitty manager with lots of transparency so they can have more to whinge about and feel their twitter input is important. They should just go back to professional wrestling for their sports drama fix instead of demanding we turn this club into a soap opera.
I guess I took it wrong tbh read it first as like “we aren’t talking about Cucho because he wants it to be tennis, not football” type of way. But reread it and makes more sense now
I wasn’t worried after Saturday. I’m very worried now. Something feels off about this. I really hope this isn’t the beginning of the end of Cucho with the Crew. He’s such a huge part of what drives the whole feel of this team. Someone talk me off the ledge please 🙏
If it's the beginning of the end of Cucho with the Crew, then maybe he shouldn't be here anyway. As in, either he did something _really_ bad, or he isn't handling discipline well and thinks he's above having to behave himself and follow team rules.
I'm sure if that's the way it goes, Crew would get top value for him. Everyone is replaceable.
For those that keep saying “let them handle it indoors” it’s going to continue to be an issue when Cucho is our best player. Ignoring the problem doesn’t mean it’ll go away. The media will speculate. The fans will speculate. God forbid cucho doesn’t play Saturday because it will continue to get worse. Ignoring the issue doesn’t make it go away. For the fans saying we don’t deserve an explanation, that’s fine, just don’t be pissed when people try to find one.
Edit: do you think if the Lakers suddenly sat LeBron with no explanation people wouldn’t ask wtf is happening? It’s the same thing.
He hasn't ignored it. He has made it clear by saying it was a rule violation. I feel that should answer it. Nancy has been pretty honest, thinking he is hiding something or anything else is kinda silly.
> Nancy has been pretty honest, thinking he is hiding something or anything else is kinda silly.
How in the world can you twist your mind around enough to seriously say this? He’s given one non-answer and one “I won’t answer that.” No one has ANY idea why the best player on the team has been punished and Nancy absolutely is hiding whatever that reason is.
No one has any idea?
I saw him turn on his coaching staff and fellow players.
The fact that Nancy isn't discussing it is classy - take a lesson from him.
You’re guessing. There has been zero official answer.
It could be that. It could be something completely different. Cucho could have done something illegal. We have no idea because the person who is supposed to communicate that has not done so.
I can’t believe this sub wants to defend the team benching its best player with zero explanation like it’s normal.
Can you imagine if Pat Mahomes just…didn’t play for the Chiefs one day and no one ever explained why? That would never happen.
A “rule violation” doesn’t answer anything when Nagbe sat one game for it last year and then was right back. Now the standards are changing. We don’t know for how long, etc.
Well like in life I bet the different violations probably carry different punishments. So it absolutely does answer it.
If Nancy said what Cucho did and it embarrassed him or tarnished his image or even his value that would cause an even bigger issue with current or future players. By keeping it to a rule violation it only makes fans and reporters mad because we are in an age of needing every bit of info no matter what.
There's 11 fucking dudes on the field.
Maybe some of us aren't egomaniacs who understand that one player can't solo 11.
It's ignorant to think that we - the people who you refer to - don't want Cucho playing.
Name the rule then that is worth benching the best player the club has for a match of this magnitude. Because if it’s for an ugly argument, it’s time to grow the fuck up. We didn’t play our best player today BY CHOICE.
The explanation has been stated, Cucho violated team policy. Not sure what else you want here. Of course Nancy isn't going to get into the minutiae of it. I really don't know what you aren't understanding about this.
This whole situation has turned fans on each other and it’s crazy to see. People act like you’re a terrible person for having a vested interest in the player and the team. There were Colombian fans at the game last night with signs for Cucho, people are going to be upset and disappointed and they’re going to want to make sure things are okay. Curiosity is human nature.
I think they are scared because the more we know the more it makes a bad situation worse which is totally reasonable. But the idea that this will keep people from wanting to know or pretending as if the public doesn’t have a vested interest in the best player on their team and possibly the best player in the league not named Messi, seems a bit hyperbolic. It’s literally why sports journalism exists.
We got out put on our ass physically this game. We should be asking how we are going to keep our composure and beat them at home when our offense was on their ass most of the game not figuring out why Cucho hasn’t played
The first question in next Tuesdays post game after we get eliminated better be “are you ready to talk about benching one of the best players on the continent costing you this matchup?”
This is 1000% how I feel. The CCC is imo the most important competition for our club this year by a lot. Playoffs are a crapshoot, no US Open cup (thanks MLS) maybe the shield but CCC is HUGE. I get punishing a player for breaking rules. Sure. Do it against Nashville who cares but last night he was the biggest game for us unless we get to a conference final. We needed a goal or two advantage going on the road and now we’re all but done.
Let’s not forget it is VERY likely that Cucho moves in the summer. Which would have been fine for CCC since it’s done June 1. But Nancy held him out for the biggest game of the season for “reasons” and everyone is line “it’s fine, trust the coach, you don’t know shit dumb fan”
Your right I don’t know what happened but I know we just sat our best player in the biggest game we’ll have all year and your telling me we don’t deserve an answer? We better get one next Tuesday or they better win.
We have fans that are too dense to realize the impact qualifying for Club World Cup would have on our club. It’s pure ignorance. People who don’t know soccer are the people holding that opinion.
We’re not part of the team period. I can all but guarantee there’s transparency in the locker room. We do not need and answer and if given one the vocal minority on the internet would be even worse than it is now further getting into a head of a twenty something.
Stop acting like we deserve to know any conflict going on in the locker room. Like every good coach, you damage control and save face for your team.
It’s not a locker room issue though. Cucho has now been held from two games, which we as fans pay to see. Why do we do not deserve the simplest bit of communication such as “Cucho has been suspended for x number of games due to violation of team rules”? The club exists because the fans are here to support it. I don’t understand why this sub seems to think we deserve nothing as fans. I just fundamentally disagree with that idea.
It’s an ongoing issue and immediately making a statement saying he is suspended could be jumping the gun in a dramatic way. It obviously is something Nancy feels can be solved sooner rather than later albeit warranting action and is giving Cucho an opportunity to avoid any further punishment.
For everyone that is demanding an answer or saying this only happens in the MLS needs to calm down.
In 2021 Pierre Emerick Aubameyang was suspended by Arteta. A while later it was revealed why he was suspended.
The benching for Cucho was on Saturday and then last night and It's only been 5 days.
Probably the biggest mistake Nancy has made as a coach since he joined the Crew. Tried to teach a player a lesson by holding him out of 2 games, and instead showed just how important that player is to our success… and then gets upset when he’s called out in the press conference
I had a highly upvoted comment last game where I said this was all coach talk, he would be punished for one game, and be back on the field. I was obviously very incorrect.
I now completely disagree with Nancy on this unless Cucho did something seriously HENIOUS which from all reports he didn't. In any job you get reprimanded, apologize, and are punished appropriately. Then as adults you fucking move on. One away MLS game suspension was appropriate. A HOME CHAMPIONS CUP GAME THAT WE HAVE TO WIN IS NOT.
This has become just petulant from Nancy at this point because he wasn't on the bench on the Charlotte game. This can seriously escalate to very bad places now with Cucho posting on IG of himself alone in the Columbus training grounds.
Everybody seems to forget that Nancy wasn’t even there to witness the event.
This could’ve easily been handled with “you don’t talk to me like that on the pitch. You will not talk to any coach representing this club like that on this pitch. You’re out Saturday. Take care of your body and your mind and let’s take the first leg against Tigres”.
That solution acknowledges the issue, addresses why it’s unacceptable, directly punishes the player, and shows that you still believe in him.
This is literally what I thought was happening from him missing the last game and why I posted what I did. But two games and one is a home game where he isn't even allowed in the bench or locker room? I REALLY don't like how this is being handled now.
>Everybody seems to forget that Nancy wasn’t even there to witness the event.
How is this relevant? The coaching staff, multiple players, and Cucho were all witnesses. If there was any question on what happened there would have been multiple accounts.
I doubt this is a he said/they said situation, this is more likely he had some words with the coaches that day (and if any of them were poor choices in words it could be so much more than "don't talk to your coach like that"), he then tried to storm off the field, and for all we know he could have continued to throw his fit after the game or to Nancy when he got the chance.
You know why so many people are saying "we don't need the details, and Nancy is making the punishment fit Cucho's actions?" Because we don't know what happened, but apparently it warranted more than a one game suspension. Nancy has not given us any reason not to trust him when it comes to player issues. So the fact that people are going off the deep end on this is the exact lesson he's trying to teach Cucho.
Your star player is not above any other player on the field. Your star player does not get a pass if he did something that warrants multiple games missed. If Cucho wanted to play for this game he shouldn't have done whatever warranted at least a 2 game suspension. And Nancy is going to stick to his principles and not go "okay big game lol you totes learned your lesson get out there you scamp".
And by not bringing it all to the spotlight, he's not throwing his player under the bus and potentially ruining his morale or other players if/when a similar situation happens. Be patient.
I'm not ready to go that far. Maybe the punishment was a one-week suspension, and it just happened to occur during a week where we had two matches. Maybe.
Maybe.
Yup. And Eloy Room tweeting “look familiar?” is a little concerning to me. If Cucho remains benched Saturday and we drop points AGAIN, and this time at home, we better get some answers. It can be vague, but a distinct answer on if/when Cucho returns will be necessary.
Between injuries and Cucho being held out, we are terribly thin. Thank goodness Hinestroza seems to be coming into his own a little more. Chemistry isn’t very good up top at all still or we’d actually be scoring more than a goal a game.
Obviously he's not going to talk about that tonight
I hope he does eventually. Look I know this probably won’t be popular here but imo we deserve to know as stakeholders. To adapt a quote from Ted Lasso “it’s our team, Nancy is just borrowing it”
Idk, Sir Alex would never have aired the dirty laundry. I think a lot of managers would feel similarly.
I think it’s perfectly fair for the reporter to ask that question and fans wanting transparency. I also think Nancy can handle it however he sees fit and keeping it on the low is his choice. In Nancy we trust. That being said, Cucho could have been huge for us tonight. Hopefully it’s all squared away now and he gets a little time this weekend before getting absolutely unleashed in Mexico next week
Brianna has a slightly different and more promising quote https://twitter.com/brimackay15/status/1775377771608383968?t=irjtGVUHzpZXGHuE_DmeuQ&s=19
Yeah, that's an entirely different tone.
Yeah the "be patient" is an okay sign I suppose... Ugh I wish we could've won tonight it's hard to be optimistic lol
Can we please put this up on the sub instead of one that seems to shorten the response to drive a different narrative?
For those that think this is a terrible look on Nancy, what do you think it would say if Cucho faced no repercussions for attacking staff? I think a lot of folks here are underselling Nancy’s man management and are more concerned with catering to our best player and rolling out the red carpet. Yes, it would have been a game changer for Cucho to have played tonight. But we also should have made more on the opportunities that we didn’t capitalize on.
You don’t even know that’s what this is. You making up a reason for Cuchos absence. Nancy has said absolutely nothing publicly about it
The problem isn’t that there is punishment for action, the problem is that they are afraid to communicate it to the fans. Fans know Cucho is the star, so just say: “We have policies on this team about the way we expect players to interact with their teammates, coaches, and staff, and we don’t think Cucho has lived up to those policies. It was a difficult situation as we know how much he means to the team and how passionate he is on the field, but in the end no player is above the rules. As a result we have suspended him for 2 games and he will be back when we take on DC United this Saturday”. Why is that so hard?
Entitlement. That's why it's hard. You don't deserve to know. HR shouldn't blast why someone gets fired. The team shouldn't blast their own internal drama.
With the insane amount of money we pay the team for tickets, souvenirs, concessions, we are deserved more of an answer than that. I don't trust the FO and probably never will.
What the heck are you talking about
You being entitled? You don't deserve to know the internal drama. Stop falling for click bait, this isn't corruption.
Exactly. Also, how can Cucho save face if they air dirty laundry out to the media? This is as much about protecting Nancy and leadership as it is the disciplined player.
These "WE DESERVE TO KNOW" people don't understand that. The way this is being handled is win-win-win via Cucho -Nancy-club.
Feels damned if you do and damned if you don’t to me. Say nothing and we suspect the worst. There is no win here, I think they may as well keep us informed.
To be fair, that's social media for your. Most arguments are a spectrum, but social media forces us into a false dichotomy - "you're either with me or against me." Sucks, to be honest. I'm in the camp that we don't have to be informed unless it's corrupt. Nancy isn't corrupt in my opinion. In fact, I see him as a Ted Lasso
I don’t think this is a case of them being afraid to address the issues publicly, they are clearly trying to keep the rift internal. I agree that your statement would have been much simpler (well written btw), but there may be other factors in play we aren’t aware of. I’m of the opinion that fans don’t need to know details so long as management can see a path forward, but both sides are valid. If things deteriorate further though, they certainly can’t stay silent.
I sincerely appreciated your compliment on my statement. I’m no PR expert, but you saying it was well written made my day. Thank you.
Same people who are demanding an explanation are most likely the same people who said Gregg should have kept the Reyna issue behind closed doors....
I mean Nancy benched our best player for two straight games, one being one of the largest games we will have this season. People are going to ask
Yes they will but asking immediately after a tough fought game that saw good performances by multiple players deserves a short response.
Well people will keep asking until he answers. I mean Cucho was on top of everyone’s minds tonight
I think it's clear there won't be an answer
I guess that’s the life of MLS. Lack of information and leaving fans in the dark about player availability. No other popular sports league in the world comes close to the non-visibility we have here
If anything it brings more questions. Could we have won if our best offensive player who accounts for about half the goals and was involved in most other goals was active?
Yeah, but press conferences happen after hard games. It is litterally the time where uninformed people ask informed people for information. Facing these question is so much a part of the job coaches get fined for not doing it. It’s also why issuing a statement is called “getting ahead of it” or “controlling the narrative”.
Yes, but these clickbait questions have no foundation other than getting ignorant people angry. Unnecessary, ignorant drama.
Every article YOU don’t like is clickbait.
A VERY common post game presser question is “what do you feel you could’ve done differently?” And when an available answer to that is to made the choice to NOT bench your best player, it deserves to be asked.
It most certainly can be asked and it will be brushed off. All is well.
"deserves" lol. Entitlement. If you suspect corruption, sure. This isn't corruption. This is ignorance on behalf of the fans supporting click bait media.
Yeah? The media deserves to be able to ask tough questions? Stupid take
I mean, a game where the best player on this team could have made the difference between a tie and a loss? They’re going to ask… yall make it seem like Cucho isn’t an MVP candidate to this point.
And he has every right to answer like that. Nobody is saying that about Cucho. Everyone knows what he means to the team but this could be a situation that if Nancy ignored it, it could have killed the locker room.
He literally went to the zoo with Ramirez’s family days later. That locker room is fine.
You missed the "could" part.
Yeah Ramirez and his entire family would’ve been like “nah bro, you can’t go feed giraffes with us anymore” grow up. Nancy is handling this horribly and everybody is circle jerking it
So you'd allow a player that stepped way out of line to circumvent the outlined process for penance on the team? Easy to see why you aren't fit to make the decisions. Cucho fucked up and he's the one to blame for the draw if you're so inclined to point the finger.
Way out of line? You got the proof of what was said? People argue with their coaches all the time. Travis Kelce yelled at his coach in the middle of the game. Did he get suspended? Or do people in the club not understand that competitive passion can come with outbursts in the middle of competition? You’re an idiot.
I disagree. And again you miss what that means. Let's say Cucho wasn't suspended for lets just assume the fit. Then a week later Yaw does the same thing and gets sat for 2 games, do you think the locker room is going to be fine with that? That is what I mean by could.
Unjustifiable. Did you not watch Steve scream at Malte spring because he was making some mistakes on the pitch? After every match they would hug and move on. These guys are paid competitors. Nancy LITERALLY wasn’t even there. Can he say he heard both sides? Can he tell us he wanted to let Cucho resolve it alone and he didn’t? We deserve clarity in to WHY he chose suspension for an incident he was states away from.
Cucho is friends with plenty in the locker room. I doubt him being upset about being pulled off in a game that he could impact will cost his friendships.
Not what I meant by destroying a locker room. Anyone that thinks he is going to say why is going to be sadly waiting for awhile. He is doing what he feels is the right move and by his track record im going to trust his decision.
My biggest complaint is that by doing this Nancy allows speculation, rumors, and theories to grow. Instead of saying “Cucho did this.. we said he would miss this many games and then he will be back” it allows the media to speculate and the fans to speculate. It’s not good for anyone and in a game where we tied where he may have been a difference maker? Now a pretty picture.
I get that bit I think Nancy is trying to respect Cucho by not releasing what happened. I think it started in Charlotte and carried over to a training session. And the last thing Nancy wants to say is that Cucho is throwing fits or causing issues in the staff because it would hurt his image.
He can easily say “Cucho broke team policy, as a result we mutually agreed he would miss two games” instead it’s growing into something the entire league is focusing on. That’s the issue.
And we controlled that game without Cucho and Camacho? Maybe you should focus on the good our 'secondary' guys did, instead of condoning the team attacks our star did?
That's a great point.
It's more like the same people who think of themselves as ultra fans want ultra inside information, even if damaging to the club, because of how much they support the team but also are paying customers that are entitled to selection information because they may not have decided to patron if a single player isn't fielded.
What? The people who want a public statement why our best player wasn’t available are the people who think that situation should have been behind closed doors? I don’t understand how you reached that logical conclusion
No, I do not equate the two. Thanks
I'm with Nancy. I know, as fans, it's frustrating to not know the whole picture. But they didn't give us the details before the Nashville match. They didn't tell us after the Nashville match. They didn't tell us before the Tigres match. What made anyone think he was going to tell us five minutes after the Tigres match? We just played our hearts out in an international game, got a draw, and had some (real or perceived) questionable officiating. And people want to ask about someone that wasn't on the field? Wrong time, wrong place.
This is so bizarre
Nancy isn't sitting him for X # of games for a "rule violation". Willing to bet this isn't about someone serving their time for a crime as it is about getting parole for being rehabilitated with the system. I'm willing to bet a 25 year old is reading headlines and stat sheets and his ego is seen as perhaps starting to exceed that of his team or more likely coaching staff (100% speculation). I'm also willing to bet that Nancy's internal constitution on team/system/greater good is so strong that if his current best player can't buy into that concept and his role + the team dynamics (ie. Finishing, chance creation etc) are becoming too dependent on that player that is becoming bigger than the tean - he may not be the best player for this team anymore........just the best player on it. I'm a huge Cucho fan. I want this resolved for all parties for the long term health of the team, vs seeing someone serve their time and get back out there without being fixed. Welcome to leadership - I think Nancy is playing chess and many on here are playing checkers. Hoping for a good outcome.
Nancy hasn’t really given me a reason to not trust him so far, and we’re probably going to hear Cucho’s side at some point anyway.
I'm with Nancy.
I'm certainly in support of possibly the greatest coach we've had that we're lucky to retain for a short number of years. Can't believe fans want to burn him early and entice him to leave sooner over having some integrity. Feels more like the melodramatics want a shitty manager with lots of transparency so they can have more to whinge about and feel their twitter input is important. They should just go back to professional wrestling for their sports drama fix instead of demanding we turn this club into a soap opera.
Absolutely agreed. I'm already so tired of hearing about it lol
What does he mean by that tennis comment?
It’s not an individual sport
Oof that’s not a good look
He’s clearly pissed off with the result
I guess I took it wrong tbh read it first as like “we aren’t talking about Cucho because he wants it to be tennis, not football” type of way. But reread it and makes more sense now
Almost like we could have gotten a different result had Nancy made different decisions. Should be pissed at himself
11 players working together is what wins. Look at Miami.
I wasn’t worried after Saturday. I’m very worried now. Something feels off about this. I really hope this isn’t the beginning of the end of Cucho with the Crew. He’s such a huge part of what drives the whole feel of this team. Someone talk me off the ledge please 🙏
If it's the beginning of the end of Cucho with the Crew, then maybe he shouldn't be here anyway. As in, either he did something _really_ bad, or he isn't handling discipline well and thinks he's above having to behave himself and follow team rules. I'm sure if that's the way it goes, Crew would get top value for him. Everyone is replaceable.
Can’t wait for Cucho’s first media availability when he’s back. Somebody needs to have the balls to ask him for an explanation.
For those that keep saying “let them handle it indoors” it’s going to continue to be an issue when Cucho is our best player. Ignoring the problem doesn’t mean it’ll go away. The media will speculate. The fans will speculate. God forbid cucho doesn’t play Saturday because it will continue to get worse. Ignoring the issue doesn’t make it go away. For the fans saying we don’t deserve an explanation, that’s fine, just don’t be pissed when people try to find one. Edit: do you think if the Lakers suddenly sat LeBron with no explanation people wouldn’t ask wtf is happening? It’s the same thing.
He hasn't ignored it. He has made it clear by saying it was a rule violation. I feel that should answer it. Nancy has been pretty honest, thinking he is hiding something or anything else is kinda silly.
> Nancy has been pretty honest, thinking he is hiding something or anything else is kinda silly. How in the world can you twist your mind around enough to seriously say this? He’s given one non-answer and one “I won’t answer that.” No one has ANY idea why the best player on the team has been punished and Nancy absolutely is hiding whatever that reason is.
No one has any idea? I saw him turn on his coaching staff and fellow players. The fact that Nancy isn't discussing it is classy - take a lesson from him.
You’re guessing. There has been zero official answer. It could be that. It could be something completely different. Cucho could have done something illegal. We have no idea because the person who is supposed to communicate that has not done so. I can’t believe this sub wants to defend the team benching its best player with zero explanation like it’s normal. Can you imagine if Pat Mahomes just…didn’t play for the Chiefs one day and no one ever explained why? That would never happen.
It was more on the fact that until now he hasn't lied or any reporter has pointed to him lying. Not about the situation more over his career.
A “rule violation” doesn’t answer anything when Nagbe sat one game for it last year and then was right back. Now the standards are changing. We don’t know for how long, etc.
Well like in life I bet the different violations probably carry different punishments. So it absolutely does answer it. If Nancy said what Cucho did and it embarrassed him or tarnished his image or even his value that would cause an even bigger issue with current or future players. By keeping it to a rule violation it only makes fans and reporters mad because we are in an age of needing every bit of info no matter what.
Yall are wild like Cucho wasn’t the biggest factor for us winning the title.
Who is saying this?
A lot of people acting like Cucho being gone isn’t an issue.
There's 11 fucking dudes on the field. Maybe some of us aren't egomaniacs who understand that one player can't solo 11. It's ignorant to think that we - the people who you refer to - don't want Cucho playing.
Or maybe, Nagbe learned the lesson faster.
Maybe the standard operating procedure is a one-week suspension, and Cucho committed his violation at a time where we had two matches in his week.
Name the rule then that is worth benching the best player the club has for a match of this magnitude. Because if it’s for an ugly argument, it’s time to grow the fuck up. We didn’t play our best player today BY CHOICE.
The explanation has been stated, Cucho violated team policy. Not sure what else you want here. Of course Nancy isn't going to get into the minutiae of it. I really don't know what you aren't understanding about this.
Add the fact that this is a weird city to say “it’s not our club, we don’t get to know”.
This whole situation has turned fans on each other and it’s crazy to see. People act like you’re a terrible person for having a vested interest in the player and the team. There were Colombian fans at the game last night with signs for Cucho, people are going to be upset and disappointed and they’re going to want to make sure things are okay. Curiosity is human nature.
I think they are scared because the more we know the more it makes a bad situation worse which is totally reasonable. But the idea that this will keep people from wanting to know or pretending as if the public doesn’t have a vested interest in the best player on their team and possibly the best player in the league not named Messi, seems a bit hyperbolic. It’s literally why sports journalism exists.
We got out put on our ass physically this game. We should be asking how we are going to keep our composure and beat them at home when our offense was on their ass most of the game not figuring out why Cucho hasn’t played
The first question in next Tuesdays post game after we get eliminated better be “are you ready to talk about benching one of the best players on the continent costing you this matchup?”
This is 1000% how I feel. The CCC is imo the most important competition for our club this year by a lot. Playoffs are a crapshoot, no US Open cup (thanks MLS) maybe the shield but CCC is HUGE. I get punishing a player for breaking rules. Sure. Do it against Nashville who cares but last night he was the biggest game for us unless we get to a conference final. We needed a goal or two advantage going on the road and now we’re all but done. Let’s not forget it is VERY likely that Cucho moves in the summer. Which would have been fine for CCC since it’s done June 1. But Nancy held him out for the biggest game of the season for “reasons” and everyone is line “it’s fine, trust the coach, you don’t know shit dumb fan” Your right I don’t know what happened but I know we just sat our best player in the biggest game we’ll have all year and your telling me we don’t deserve an answer? We better get one next Tuesday or they better win.
We have fans that are too dense to realize the impact qualifying for Club World Cup would have on our club. It’s pure ignorance. People who don’t know soccer are the people holding that opinion.
Is there somewhere we can watch the post game presser live?
What did Cucho do? Attack a member of the coaching staff?
This is a pretty terrible answer
I think anyone who has seen a successful team with together understands the answer. I'm sorry you didn't get it
Because the only way to have a successful team is to have 0 transparency and keep everything secret. Glad you cracked the code!
We’re not part of the team period. I can all but guarantee there’s transparency in the locker room. We do not need and answer and if given one the vocal minority on the internet would be even worse than it is now further getting into a head of a twenty something. Stop acting like we deserve to know any conflict going on in the locker room. Like every good coach, you damage control and save face for your team.
It’s not a locker room issue though. Cucho has now been held from two games, which we as fans pay to see. Why do we do not deserve the simplest bit of communication such as “Cucho has been suspended for x number of games due to violation of team rules”? The club exists because the fans are here to support it. I don’t understand why this sub seems to think we deserve nothing as fans. I just fundamentally disagree with that idea.
It’s an ongoing issue and immediately making a statement saying he is suspended could be jumping the gun in a dramatic way. It obviously is something Nancy feels can be solved sooner rather than later albeit warranting action and is giving Cucho an opportunity to avoid any further punishment.
Everything you just said is an assumption. You have no actual facts of what’s going on because the team won’t communicate anything.
For everyone that is demanding an answer or saying this only happens in the MLS needs to calm down. In 2021 Pierre Emerick Aubameyang was suspended by Arteta. A while later it was revealed why he was suspended. The benching for Cucho was on Saturday and then last night and It's only been 5 days.
With every new statement Nancy looks worse and this becomes more obscure.
Umm… we play a team sport and he’s our best player. Nancy wtf are you doingv
Probably the biggest mistake Nancy has made as a coach since he joined the Crew. Tried to teach a player a lesson by holding him out of 2 games, and instead showed just how important that player is to our success… and then gets upset when he’s called out in the press conference
nah. no player is bigger than the club
> Probably the biggest mistake Nancy has made as a coach since he joined the Crew. Quite literally the opposite of that.
Careful with that. The “if you’ve ever been a leader….” Tool bags will call for your head
I had a highly upvoted comment last game where I said this was all coach talk, he would be punished for one game, and be back on the field. I was obviously very incorrect. I now completely disagree with Nancy on this unless Cucho did something seriously HENIOUS which from all reports he didn't. In any job you get reprimanded, apologize, and are punished appropriately. Then as adults you fucking move on. One away MLS game suspension was appropriate. A HOME CHAMPIONS CUP GAME THAT WE HAVE TO WIN IS NOT. This has become just petulant from Nancy at this point because he wasn't on the bench on the Charlotte game. This can seriously escalate to very bad places now with Cucho posting on IG of himself alone in the Columbus training grounds.
Everybody seems to forget that Nancy wasn’t even there to witness the event. This could’ve easily been handled with “you don’t talk to me like that on the pitch. You will not talk to any coach representing this club like that on this pitch. You’re out Saturday. Take care of your body and your mind and let’s take the first leg against Tigres”. That solution acknowledges the issue, addresses why it’s unacceptable, directly punishes the player, and shows that you still believe in him.
This is literally what I thought was happening from him missing the last game and why I posted what I did. But two games and one is a home game where he isn't even allowed in the bench or locker room? I REALLY don't like how this is being handled now.
One other game and you turn from “cool” to “no fucking way”? Really?
>Everybody seems to forget that Nancy wasn’t even there to witness the event. How is this relevant? The coaching staff, multiple players, and Cucho were all witnesses. If there was any question on what happened there would have been multiple accounts. I doubt this is a he said/they said situation, this is more likely he had some words with the coaches that day (and if any of them were poor choices in words it could be so much more than "don't talk to your coach like that"), he then tried to storm off the field, and for all we know he could have continued to throw his fit after the game or to Nancy when he got the chance. You know why so many people are saying "we don't need the details, and Nancy is making the punishment fit Cucho's actions?" Because we don't know what happened, but apparently it warranted more than a one game suspension. Nancy has not given us any reason not to trust him when it comes to player issues. So the fact that people are going off the deep end on this is the exact lesson he's trying to teach Cucho. Your star player is not above any other player on the field. Your star player does not get a pass if he did something that warrants multiple games missed. If Cucho wanted to play for this game he shouldn't have done whatever warranted at least a 2 game suspension. And Nancy is going to stick to his principles and not go "okay big game lol you totes learned your lesson get out there you scamp". And by not bringing it all to the spotlight, he's not throwing his player under the bus and potentially ruining his morale or other players if/when a similar situation happens. Be patient.
I'm not ready to go that far. Maybe the punishment was a one-week suspension, and it just happened to occur during a week where we had two matches. Maybe. Maybe.
Or maybe it was two games
But is it? We don’t know
Guess we’ll have to wait. Was that so hard?
Yup. And Eloy Room tweeting “look familiar?” is a little concerning to me. If Cucho remains benched Saturday and we drop points AGAIN, and this time at home, we better get some answers. It can be vague, but a distinct answer on if/when Cucho returns will be necessary. Between injuries and Cucho being held out, we are terribly thin. Thank goodness Hinestroza seems to be coming into his own a little more. Chemistry isn’t very good up top at all still or we’d actually be scoring more than a goal a game.
You'll get an answer after Tigres blows you out next week, dissapointing CCC for MLS this year. Miami won't get past Monterrey.
Guys, it's ok, he just went out to get cigarettes and milk, he'll be back