I was thinking the same thing.
I'd say the big 4 of pop-punk are Green Day, Blink 182, New Found Glory, Sum 41.
I personally think Offspring fits better in the California skate-punk group. So the big 4 would be them, NOFX, Rancid, Pennywise.
Bad Religion definitely could have a spot there too (maybe replacing Pennywise), but it might make more sense to put them with the folks from the previous generation (Dead Kennedys, Social Distortion, TSOL, for example).
It might be my own taste but I see Bad Religion as above all the 90s acts and "below" the previous generation, not in terms of quality but - they did something differently. Suffer, No Control and Against the Grain opened the door for the new generation.
Oh yeah I definitely get what you mean, and I pretty much agree. Hard to group them together with others because they're kinda their own thing. Really speaks to their quality if anything. Easily my second-favourite band.
Ok, but to be fair, when did Offspring transition into pop punk? Do you have an answer?
You could say Americana, but then have you heard Splinter? Most of it is closer to old-school punk rock than anything Blink and other acts have done.
I agree with the comment that The Offspring come from the same group as Bad Religion and Pennywise.
Yeah, fair, it wasn’t a full transition, but Americana and Conspiracy of One definitely leaned into pop punk with their more prominent tracks. I can’t really weigh in on Pennywise, because I never really got into them, but I wouldn’t fully put The Offspring in the same league as Bad Religion. I’m not hating, because I like The Offspring better, but I don’t remember Bad Religion leaning very far into the realm of pop punk. They were always a bit more of a serious and wordy band. The Offspring were kind of like Diet Bad Religion.
CO1 had Want You Bad and One Fine Day. These two tracks sound like happy pop punk more than anything else. But the rest? Million Miles Away, Come Out Swinging, Dammit I Changed Again, All Along, Title track...
Half of every Offspring record since Ixnay is old-school punk rock. The other half is "the other half", whether it's rock, funny quirky pop track, Ska, OC Guns and any other shit.
Blink 182 released their debut in 1995, one year after The Offspring's third record Smash (which came out after 10 years of being a band). I refuse to put them in the same bracket.
I also think 4 is 5
He asked for a 5 but got a 4
Where's the 5th?
The 5th is the friends we made along the way
I like that. I'm going with that.
It’s the big four
Ah, guess I was thrown off by the title.
So why did you title this "The Big 5"
Oh my bad I miss spelled
He's taking the picture.
There are…four bands.
No. Offspring isn't Pop Punk and it's not even the same generation. They're more comparable to NOFX, Bad Religion, Pennywise etc.
The Offspring is the crossover band from Bad Religion to Green Day.
I was thinking the same thing. I'd say the big 4 of pop-punk are Green Day, Blink 182, New Found Glory, Sum 41. I personally think Offspring fits better in the California skate-punk group. So the big 4 would be them, NOFX, Rancid, Pennywise. Bad Religion definitely could have a spot there too (maybe replacing Pennywise), but it might make more sense to put them with the folks from the previous generation (Dead Kennedys, Social Distortion, TSOL, for example).
It might be my own taste but I see Bad Religion as above all the 90s acts and "below" the previous generation, not in terms of quality but - they did something differently. Suffer, No Control and Against the Grain opened the door for the new generation.
Oh yeah I definitely get what you mean, and I pretty much agree. Hard to group them together with others because they're kinda their own thing. Really speaks to their quality if anything. Easily my second-favourite band.
They blew up the same year as Green Day, and they transitioned somewhat into pop punk as time went on.
Ok, but to be fair, when did Offspring transition into pop punk? Do you have an answer? You could say Americana, but then have you heard Splinter? Most of it is closer to old-school punk rock than anything Blink and other acts have done. I agree with the comment that The Offspring come from the same group as Bad Religion and Pennywise.
Yeah, fair, it wasn’t a full transition, but Americana and Conspiracy of One definitely leaned into pop punk with their more prominent tracks. I can’t really weigh in on Pennywise, because I never really got into them, but I wouldn’t fully put The Offspring in the same league as Bad Religion. I’m not hating, because I like The Offspring better, but I don’t remember Bad Religion leaning very far into the realm of pop punk. They were always a bit more of a serious and wordy band. The Offspring were kind of like Diet Bad Religion.
CO1 had Want You Bad and One Fine Day. These two tracks sound like happy pop punk more than anything else. But the rest? Million Miles Away, Come Out Swinging, Dammit I Changed Again, All Along, Title track... Half of every Offspring record since Ixnay is old-school punk rock. The other half is "the other half", whether it's rock, funny quirky pop track, Ska, OC Guns and any other shit.
Yeah, fair enough.
Definitely pop punk and the easy answer is with the release of Americana.
Even Americana is not THAT pop punk. No Brakes, Americana, Pay the Man, etc aren't pop punk songs
They were successful in the 90s, for sure, but they had equal success in the 2000s as well, like all these other bands.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. You are right.
Look at their latest collab, iwouldn't be so sure about "not pop"
You’re going to assess their role as a big late-90s pop punk band based on their mid-2020s release?
Blink 182 released their debut in 1995, one year after The Offspring's third record Smash (which came out after 10 years of being a band). I refuse to put them in the same bracket.
I used to like Blink, but I keep removing their songs off my playlists
Same. They are annoying. Early Green Day awesome, I don’t like them much at all after Nimrod.
Sum 41 really in the same discussion as those bands…? 🤔
In their peak? Yes, they were absolutely one of the big 4/5 of late-90s/early-00s pop punk.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Sum 41. Fat Lip was my senior football anthem. That said, I wouldn’t put them in the same tier as the others.
It's Ron and Greg K, and Dexter still has braids!
I had that last offspring poster for years!
The big 4/5 in regards to what genre and what years we are talking about? This needs to be specified otherwise this selection makes no sense
5?
Glad to see both Sum 41 and Green Day with the big 4
And 1 band shouldn't be there
5. nofx
I’d add New Found Glory. Still true pop punk to this day.
Hell yeah! They are awesome. I'm seeing them for Mt birthday.
I mean, thats 4, and i reeeeally dont think sum 41 can make the cut, much as i respect the guys
Do the chili peppers count