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It's amazing that the comic author wants to:
a) get across that white people are superior to black people, even if they're Jewish; while also
b) get across that Jewish people are inferior to "real" white people
Racism would be an absolutely fascinating field of study if it weren't so horrifically damaging in the real world.
Not to downplay the antisemitism at all, but IMO the depiction of the black man is about 50 times worse. As heinous and racist as it is, at least the Jewish man is depicted in power and the only feature that’s exaggerated is the nose. The black man is literally depicted as a sub human primate type creature.
It’s not really worse, it’s just “different”. Antisemites never really depicted Jewish people as dumb, because the real threat in their minds is the intelligence and the treachery of the Jews. The Nazis saw them as a parasite which was permanently trying to exterminate the white german arian race - so the intelligence of jews was the reason why they had to be killed according to the Nazis. Contrary to that, Blacks were lesser human (or not human at all) because they were just considered to be too stupid/primitive so they just “don’t know any better”.
You mean [this drawing?](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/q9b6md/when_it_comes_down_to_it_this_sums_up_a_lot_of/) (focus on bottom right corner)
Caen, can yu sin mai ortograf???//???/?!11!!!!!!
Tahnks , mistah sqid gaem.
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No. Korean people don’t actually believe this, and the DPRK government has never once claimed that this is the case. You’re just regurgitating western capitalist-imperialist propaganda. If you want to learn more about the realities of the DPRK, here’s some sources.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1we5OEdteZFfAh11v0s_RVh3LWAkVICGrFnvksVynGxw/edit
https://youtu.be/ktE_3PrJZO0
https://youtu.be/nSd48emp0lI
https://prolespod.libsyn.com/prt-episode-11-the-rich-history-of-the-dprk
Jews are just the popular go to for problem blaming when you are really lazy and have no imagination to make up a new boogieman. I like to keep things fresh but I dont think im cut out for this racism thing. Blamed Neptunians when I couldnt find my phone. My friends got cross and said, how are we supposed to keep our conspiracy theories straight when your picking random things out of a hat? Keep it close to the same planet at least (we tried martians in the illuminati but it didnt take) ! So I said how about the Dutch or maybe Luxemborg? They just looked at me in disgust and walked away. Traditionalists are the worst, am I right?
Funnily enough, it's a [Nation of Islam claim](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Relationship_Between_Blacks_and_Jews) originally, though it's obviously been modified with more mainstream racism here.
Don't hear much about them any more, but they are there own special kind of whack-a-doodle. An insane take on Jews does sound a little more like their style.
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For real. Certain tribes would actually kidnap other tribe members or sell their own to slave traders.
But what the hell does that have to do with slave owning.
The fact that they also are still on about this shit is stupid.
"Well it was normal back then"
Ok, great, nobody is denying that. It's still terrible. Why are you trying to defend it in the 21st century? You tryna bring it back or some shit?
Edit: I am just now noticing the depiction of the Africans' faces yeah wow that's a whole 'nother level of awful
They say from one side of their mouth that it was a different time back then, it was normal, everyone did bad things like this. And from the other side of their mouth they say that white people fought a war to free the slaves almost 200 years ago, they should be *grateful*.
So did people back then not think it was wrong or was society bitterly divided over the issue because people knew it was wrong?? Was everyone doing it which means we can’t judge people back then for owning slaves or did half the country succeed specifically because the other half didn’t want slavery?
These racist smooth-brain fucks lose their only shitty defense of the past if they acknowledge that tons of people back then opposed slavery and imperialism and colonialism, and all the other horrible things they claim are “just the way the world works”.
Yup that’s it exactly. But making people look it up themselves to figure out what I’m talking about gives me the op to avoid arguements, usually i'm all up for arguements, but todays been.... stressful.
yea haha, i knew what you meant right away cuz the quote i commented is drilled into my memory. been a stressful day for me too, hope it gets better for you!
I mean, the only reason they would go and capture other nations' citizens is because Europeans effectively engaged in market manipulation by flooding the continent with goods that would give any group an incredible advantage over all of their neighbors. If aliens were to suddenly come to Earth and say they'd give whatever country is willing to give them as many semiconductors as possible the ability to produce unlimited energy, don't you think that a lot of people would start attacking Taiwan?
I really don't know why the fuck slavery apologists think "yeah we did slavery against black people but we bought the slaves from other black people so it's not bad". Like, imagine saying "yeah, I beat a woman but another woman beat her first and told me I could so it's ok"
And it really wasn’t “normal.” Atlantic chattel slavery was unique in that:
1) It was based on race.
2) It was permanent; you weren’t eventually released.
3) It was hereditary; your children are slaves as soon as they’re born.
That’s why the whole “bUt WhAt AbOuT tHe IrIsH?!” point is bullshit.
Even some Native Americans took slaves during war - but slaves were eventually adopted as members of the tribe and granted full rights.
This conception still has to be decolonized. Dahomey and some of the other actors in the slave trade were organized, regionally powerful kingdoms. Not so much tribal warfare as just plain warfare
What does selling slaves have to do with slave ownership? I would think a lot actually. This meme is garbage and the point even devoid of the blatant racism is still just whataboutism, but that's kind of a weird way to phrase your criticism.
Sorry, meant what does it have to do with the morals of it.
In a sense of, I guess you could say: if murdering someone (owning slaves) is made easier because you're being given weapons (receiving slaves from tribes), it doesn't make it any less immoral.
Also of note, even though African tribes did participate in slavery it pales in comparison to American slavery. American slavery was brutal for too many reasons to count at the moment. African slavery was honestly more akin to a criminal working out their sentence as opposed to humans being property. Even in the cases where African slavery was cruel, it doesn’t somehow excuse western slavery in any capacity like you said
It goes hand in hand with the right wing talking point of “only X amount of slaves were brought over from Africa,” which conveniently ignores the intentional breeding of more slaves and the growth of the population.
Yeah, slavery in Rome (into the Byzantine period) was very much a case of it depending on where your owner put you. You could be educated to serve as a highly demanded paedagogus, or more likely you could be spending the rest of your life working on some aristocrat's cash crop plantation. Or worst case scenario you're mining salt or silver. Slavery in the Muslim world was similar; you could well be a professional soldier or administrator, or you could be doing manual labor in a sugar plantation.
Yes, and some actually had contracts where they had to have time off and food provided etc, which is pretty strange really. Apparently they had more leave than modern Americans (well who doesn't!?)
May come as ableist as certain disabilities Can actually cause disorganized thought. Bullying/teasing someone you don’t know for using the ‘wrong word’ or spelling something a silly way could be a bad move bc you don’t know if this person has disabilities that can cause word salading, misplaced speech, etc
lmfaooo. Im not sure why I’m getting downvoted bc I’m definitely not coming for OP. Someone asked how and I gave an answer as to why OP may think that 😭 people need to stop asking questions then getting mad when answers happen to them haha
Aside from the fact that you can't really successfully argue with people who believe this anyways, given that they believe in antisemitic conspiracies, the reality is that colonial slave trade is not comparable to slavery among most African tribal cultures at the time. Colonial slavery commodified human beings, turning them into property to be excited by the slaver as wish. Whereas slavery in Africa at the time was more about tribal political structures. Slaves among tribal groups in Africa were not treated as beasts of burden based on a definition of race, but rather were integrated into the new tribe. Nor was their slave status inherited.
This is not to say it was a great system, but when they sold slaves to Europeans they had a whole different concept of what being a slave was meant to be. So i image African groups who sold Europeans slaves didn't exactly understand to what extent African slaves would be abused, and what the implications were on their own position in colonial Africa (that is becoming racified to be exploited for slave labour for the emerging economic conditions). So it isn't about opportunitistic Africans trying to get resources at any cost, but different economic condition in Africa at the time that was probably more akin feudalism.
Well it would be just so terrible to not give them a place to stay (work them for the rest of their lives) and provide for their children (sell them for profit).
It was the Christian thing to do. For four hundred years. And fight a war to prevent the end of. And fight every attempt to allow them to gain rights./s
The hoops they jump through to justify their bigotry while both taking credit for and denying any guilt is astonishing.
Yeah there is a better way to communicate the fact that it was more complicated and nuanced than is often portrayed. They could have started a healthy discussion but nooo, they had to make an bigoted cartoon.
This comic sort of looks like it's trying to say American/European slavery didn't happen with how it calls it fiction. Both of these things are reality(except for the part about slaves getting bought by exclusively Jewish people, like what the fuck person who made this) and I don't think anybody who knows anything about history will try to deny that. But let's face it, a lot of people who bring up black slavery or Native American slavery or white people enslaving other white people don't do it to talk about history, they do it to say "SEEEEEEEE, the not white people did slavery too, but the liberals don't want to bring it up because they want to make us believe that all white people are evil and all not white people are victims who can do no wrong, listen to me I'm enlightened!!!!!!!!"
Probably the same reason that I lurk on r/conspiracy. People are dumb and I sometimes think that I’m dumb so I go there to see how much less dumb I am than everyone there. It’s like trading brain cells for some self-esteem points.
Jesus, I just spent like 5 minutes scrolling through there and it’s all anti-vaxx stuff. Not even any genuine conspiracies, just angry, stubborn people who refuse to be considerate. What a shitshow.
ever since the right wing subs got purged the crazies all had nowhere to go so they went to a lot of good subreddits like r/conspiracy, r/watchredditdie, and for some fucking reason im noticing a lot in r/justunsubbed. its sad because i loved those stupid little conspiracies that were mostly made for fun and not OBAMA DID 911 COVID IS A DEMOCRAT MADE VIRUS TO KILL ALL PATRIOTIC AMERICANS! THE VACCINE IS USED TO CONTROL YOUR MINDS!!!!
idk why you got downvoted, every minute spent on a Nazi message board is...
well it's time spent on a Nazi message board, personally not in my top 1312 ways to spend my free time
Friendly reminder to anyone who sees this - you are not immune to the propaganda. Maybe not this one in particular, but it is insidious by nature. Always take a moment to reflect on that when delving into the depths of hatred.
Some people do spend time in alt-right online space to monitor what’s going on/being said.
Talia Lavin wrote a book about it, Culture Warlords. She went undercover to a bunch of alt-right spaces to expose them to the world. Unfortunately, she also found out she was a target as well.
I always try to have the mindset that I might be wrong with my opinions and beliefs and so I try to spend the little time I have for the Internet on places with differing opinions from mine. So far the nazis haven't convinced me :))))) One fault of left leaning reddit is how much of an echo chamber most subs have become. I even got banned from some subs I've been posting on because I strayed away a tiny bit from the allowed worldwiev.
This one reallly captures the insane nonsense that is the molten core of this kind of thinking. You’re going to try to blame other people for slavery, say it wasn’t white peoples fault and that the black people in question were just as much the villains, which… isn’t true, and even if it was true, it was still white Americans owning and beating and raping the slaves once they got here, I really don’t know why you would think that the slave TRADE was the problem. But then, while you’re trying to make this idiotic and evil argument, you’re going to use the sort of racist visual language the Nazis used in portraying Black and Jewish people… is it just me, or wouldn’t it make just as much sense if you’re going to be that racist to just stop trying to dodge guilt from slavery and just say you think slavery is a good thing? Cause if you’re going to use “untermenschen” imagery, I’m just not gonna buy that you think Africans or Jews deserve equal rights and treatment, call me crazy
Holy fuck! Managed to throw all the blame of slavery if Africans onto the Africans, and also blame the Jews.
That's a rascism double whammy with a side of conspiracy theory. Their bigotry truly knows know bounds.
Yes various kingdoms and tribes in Africa did sell other Africans as part of the slave trade
And many Africans profited off of selling people into slavery
No that doesn’t justify it
And it sure as fuck does not justify making racist charictatures
Nor acting like the slave trade was “done by the jews”
I mean the bottom one definitely happened too, but its a shitty excuse for shitty practices. (Edit: The Africans selling other Africans part, idk who the guy on the left is supposed to be. He just looks white to me.)
How the FUCK can someone actually defend slavery?
"OH but they're better off here than they would be in africa" yeah only because we (white people) have exploited the fuck out of every other country.
Also, I think its worth mentioning that anyone who makes these absurdly hideous caricatures in 2021 shouldn't have an opinion. Like you clearly aren't making a point in good faith, so your throwing your opinion out the window right there.
Right, I was referring to Africans selling other Africans into slavery. I wasn't aware that was supposed to be a Jewish guy, im bad at reading these. Hell im probably still not getting it.
Like tbh I can't tell the difference between different groups of people aside from really obvious traits. Racism just confuses me on many levels, how tf people have the time to sit down and decide who is what when it's not even important is beyond me.
Large noses and beards are often used to stereotype Jewish people.
A great example is the old three little pigs cartoon from 1933. The fox disguises himself in a suit with a large nose, beard, and spoke with a Yiddish accent. It was changed in a re-release in 1948 but the message still stays.
Also, the guy is wearing a Kippah with a star of David on it, a dead giveaway that this is supposed to be a Jewish stereotype.
Yeah. My mind just glosses over that stuff a lot of the time. It's something I don't like to touch with a 10 foot pole out of fear of being wrong and offending someone. oh and also autism.
Like imma be honest I don't even know if Jewish is a race or a religion and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
>Like imma be honest I don't even know if Jewish is a race or a religion and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
Yeah that is a very touchy subject.
Generally, its both. Someone who practices Judaism is Jewish by religion.
But we also consider the descendants of the Israelites (who conquered the Canaanites in order to reach the promised land) to be Jewish by race.
However, there is a lot of discourse on whether it should be considered a race. Over the last Millenium, as Jews migrated west into Europe, they were treated with extreme prejudice, and would often be forced to live on their own, away from local communities. The result of this was that there is a specific genetic difference between ethnic Jews and other Europeans.
When faced with immigration, the already existing population has a tendency to have a prejudice against the immigrating population, we see this all the time. Problem is that, because the Jewish population was so extremely ostracised, they never got to assimilate to the European population, leading to antisemitism never really going away.
Of course, this culminated in Germany, where the loss during the Great War combined with the economic struggle during the 1930s gave way to the Nazis. Fascism always needs a scapegoat, there has to be someone to shift the blame to for the population's troubles. There was already rampant antisemitism across Europe, so it became the Jews who were blamed. The Holocaust was possibly the single greatest tragedy in human history, with the goal of wiping out the Jews completely.
The justification for all kinds of racism, including antisemitism, almost always boils down to some kind of genetic difference. The existence of a Jewish race, defined by the descendants of the Israelites, implies that there is some sort of genetic difference, which could be used as justification for antisemitism.
So while a lot of people consider there to be a sort of Jewish race, it would be advisable to avoid these types of conversations, since the same ideas could be used by far-right nationalists.
Just a question,i don't know if you know but where did the idea that jews did the slave trade come from?I'm seeing a growing number of the alt right that are trying to blame jews for it.They even go as far as say that most whites had nothing to do with slavery.In fact,they claim it was all part of the jews plan to genocide whites.
Thing is, the descendents of slaves in America aren't necessarily better off than if they were in an African nation. Some of the deprivation in the USA is horrendous.
The worst part of this is that when tribes in Africa sold slaves to european slave traders, this tribes didn't even know what would happen to the slaves, because they were sold in America. Slavery in the USA was worst that it was in Africa. Don't get me wrong, slavery is always bad, but the slavery practised in the USA was more brutal. There were many tribes that didn't practise slavery.
Swapping out the white slaver does make it ok either.
I was thinking at what point is it ok to buy and trade in humans; seems like this is saying it wasn’t white people doing it.
Ok, so some African tribes did sell other Africans from other tribes into slavery but this graphic is racist and anti-Semitic and tries to deflect the act of literally owning another human being onto someone else.
Well certain African tribes made a lot of money with slave trading
But I don't see how Jewish??? People had anything to do with that. It was still Christians who shipped them to the USA. Christians weren't the investors of slave trade but they sure did huge amounts of crime and use Christianity to justify it.
This meme is just antisemitic
Also the portrayal of the black ppl is... Weird...
Only point they rly have is that some people profited from slave trades in Africa. But what kind of a point is that? Feels like they wanna justify it somehow
My last sentence basically. Doesn't change the crimes committed in America.
Ohh people had slaves in Africa aswell? Totally justifies what slave traders in the US did totally!
Even if that was historically accurate, it doesn't absolve Americans and Europeans of their part in the atrocities of slavery and the destruction of entire cultures. Racists act like slavery and the systemic racism that grew from it are somehow less bad if Africans sold other Africans to white people.
Reality: British merchants were a significant force behind the Atlantic slave trade between the sixteenth and nineteenth centuries.
By the 18th century, the slave trade became a major economic mainstay for such cities as Bristol, Liverpool and Glasgow, engaged in the so-called "Triangular trade". The ships set out from Britain, loaded with trade goods which were exchanged on the West African shores for slaves captured by local rulers from deeper inland; the slaves were transported through the infamous "Middle Passage" across the Atlantic, and were sold at considerable profit for labour in plantations. The ships were loaded with export crops and commodities, the products of slave labour, such as cotton, sugar and rum, and returned to Britain to sell the items.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery\_in\_Britain
It's an interesting part of history to study (well all history is really). What amazed me, was although I knew that the British, once they decided to abolish slavery in all colonies then enforced no slavery in the seas, they actually spent a quarter of their budget at the time, a quarter!, policing the seas and preventing slaves being transported to the USA and other places. Pretty crazy. Imagine if nations were willing to apply that level of funding to deal with climate change in modern times!! We'd actually get somewhere!!
Yes. Also Britain had the resources, after all the British navy was the biggest in the world at the time. When Spain abolished slavery (1869), we were broke and the country was complete chaos.
okay but this doesn't take away from the fact that BOTH were bad? even if jewish people were buying slaves, that doesn't mean slavery was suddenly okay? i really feel like these idiots made this as like a "GOTCHA!" when really it just doesn't change the fact that it's still fucking horrible 😭
also the amount of antisemitism i've been seeing recently is really upsetting 🙃
To me even being capable of creating this and having amusement in the process shows that the person who made this would do even darker things for far less than what he’s depicting in this POS cartoon
It's interesting because the british uses a "soyjack" as a template whereas the "jew" is drawn using the "chad" as a template impliying that he is superior over the british imperial, still terribly racist but interesting nontheless.
The only real thing that's wrong is the Jewish caricature shouldn't be there and the Black caricature is inherently racist. Africans of the time did trade slaves for weapons since the slaves were their enemies / criminals.
It’s ridiculously (and with malice, racism and antisemitism) trying to take the blame from white Europeans and put it on the Jews and black Africans for the TransAtlantic slave trade.
It is true that African rulers were directly involved in selling their own people to the European colonial powers, but I don't see how that makes it any less tragic or barbaric. If anything it makes it worse.
The drawings are racist and obviously Jewish people didn’t spearhead the African slave trade. But if you know your history you’d know that the majority of slaves were willingly sold to Europeans in exchange for modern weapons and similar goods. African leaders would mostly sell criminals and prisoners, but that wasn’t always the case. I’m not saying this was the case 100% of the time, but most of the slaves Europe acquired in the transatlantic slave trade were sold willingly by their leaders.
Why are they Jews? White people owned the most amount of slaves and occupied every single position in the federal and state governments that were pro slavery
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"Why do these snowflakes keep calling me racist?"
"gee you can't have a different opinion these days without a libtard calling you racist!"
“Relax libtard, it’s just a joke, no need to get all triggered“
Racist in many ways, especially the way they drew the black men.
Or the Jewish man. It's exactly how the Nazis used to draw Jewish people.
It's amazing that the comic author wants to: a) get across that white people are superior to black people, even if they're Jewish; while also b) get across that Jewish people are inferior to "real" white people Racism would be an absolutely fascinating field of study if it weren't so horrifically damaging in the real world.
At least the worst thing about the Jew is the big nose… I’ve seen worse depictions.
Not to downplay the antisemitism at all, but IMO the depiction of the black man is about 50 times worse. As heinous and racist as it is, at least the Jewish man is depicted in power and the only feature that’s exaggerated is the nose. The black man is literally depicted as a sub human primate type creature.
It’s not really worse, it’s just “different”. Antisemites never really depicted Jewish people as dumb, because the real threat in their minds is the intelligence and the treachery of the Jews. The Nazis saw them as a parasite which was permanently trying to exterminate the white german arian race - so the intelligence of jews was the reason why they had to be killed according to the Nazis. Contrary to that, Blacks were lesser human (or not human at all) because they were just considered to be too stupid/primitive so they just “don’t know any better”.
You mean [this drawing?](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/q9b6md/when_it_comes_down_to_it_this_sums_up_a_lot_of/) (focus on bottom right corner)
Fuck whoever drew this. Hopefully something happens to his hands one day that will prevent this in the future.
Racism. Just racism.
And antisemitism. Btw. are you the real Kim Jong Un or just pretenting?
The one and only, comrade.
Congrats on your weight loss Mr. Kim!
Thank you! Need to be fit to beat the shit out of Amerikkkan imperialism
With no butt hole, weightloss is inevitable.
I thougth it would be the other way
With weight loss, no butthole is inevetible? I dont get it
A pleasure to meet you mr. Un
Mr. Kim* in Korean, much like Chinese, the family name comes first.
He truly possesses all the knowledge
kk... korean... isnt that the thing from sqid gaem.????!!!@!!111!
Average Westoid
Mr Kim I waved at your motorcade when you came to my city to wrangle terms with the westoids!
Caen, can yu sin mai ortograf???//???/?!11!!!!!! Tahnks , mistah sqid gaem. omgomgomgomgomgomgomgogmomgogmogmogmogomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgogogogomgogmogmo
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No way, the real Kim never uses underscores
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No. Korean people don’t actually believe this, and the DPRK government has never once claimed that this is the case. You’re just regurgitating western capitalist-imperialist propaganda. If you want to learn more about the realities of the DPRK, here’s some sources. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1we5OEdteZFfAh11v0s_RVh3LWAkVICGrFnvksVynGxw/edit https://youtu.be/ktE_3PrJZO0 https://youtu.be/nSd48emp0lI https://prolespod.libsyn.com/prt-episode-11-the-rich-history-of-the-dprk
I mean, isn't that still racism?
Anti-Semitism is more broad than just racism because it also includes cultural and religious prejudice.
So just bigotry. We shouldn’t put one type above another
I wasn’t putting one above the other. I was just stating a fact. Anti-Semitism covers a range of different types of bigotry.
Exactly how are the Jews supposed to have been responsible for slavery of all things? This is dumb even by Y'all Qaeda standards.
Jews are just the popular go to for problem blaming when you are really lazy and have no imagination to make up a new boogieman. I like to keep things fresh but I dont think im cut out for this racism thing. Blamed Neptunians when I couldnt find my phone. My friends got cross and said, how are we supposed to keep our conspiracy theories straight when your picking random things out of a hat? Keep it close to the same planet at least (we tried martians in the illuminati but it didnt take) ! So I said how about the Dutch or maybe Luxemborg? They just looked at me in disgust and walked away. Traditionalists are the worst, am I right?
Blame the Belgians. They're the worst, 'cause they're BELGIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fucking Belgians think they are better than me! (They are probably right but still.)
Funnily enough, it's a [Nation of Islam claim](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Relationship_Between_Blacks_and_Jews) originally, though it's obviously been modified with more mainstream racism here.
Don't hear much about them any more, but they are there own special kind of whack-a-doodle. An insane take on Jews does sound a little more like their style.
there is so much racism here you could make a republican cream their trousers just by showing it to them
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Even Kim Jong Un hates racism
You’re damn right.
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Yeah he cool
Thank you kim very epic
I mean you’re saying that like you have uncovered their hidden plot? I don’t think this is even trying to pretend it is otherwise.
They think that because some African tribes did terrible things it somehow negates the terrible act of owning/ trading humans.
For real. Certain tribes would actually kidnap other tribe members or sell their own to slave traders. But what the hell does that have to do with slave owning. The fact that they also are still on about this shit is stupid. "Well it was normal back then" Ok, great, nobody is denying that. It's still terrible. Why are you trying to defend it in the 21st century? You tryna bring it back or some shit? Edit: I am just now noticing the depiction of the Africans' faces yeah wow that's a whole 'nother level of awful
Not to mention that even if it was "normal" back then, there were still plenty of people opposed to it because they understood how abhorrent it was.
They say from one side of their mouth that it was a different time back then, it was normal, everyone did bad things like this. And from the other side of their mouth they say that white people fought a war to free the slaves almost 200 years ago, they should be *grateful*. So did people back then not think it was wrong or was society bitterly divided over the issue because people knew it was wrong?? Was everyone doing it which means we can’t judge people back then for owning slaves or did half the country succeed specifically because the other half didn’t want slavery? These racist smooth-brain fucks lose their only shitty defense of the past if they acknowledge that tons of people back then opposed slavery and imperialism and colonialism, and all the other horrible things they claim are “just the way the world works”.
They're trying to say they want it to be normal again
“Again” mate it’s still constitutional under certain circumstances
Pretty sure Southern conservatives would repeal the Reconstruction Amendments if they could.
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“Slavery was abolished, unless you are in prison You think I am bullshittin', then read the 13th Amendment” - Killer Mike
Yup that’s it exactly. But making people look it up themselves to figure out what I’m talking about gives me the op to avoid arguements, usually i'm all up for arguements, but todays been.... stressful.
yea haha, i knew what you meant right away cuz the quote i commented is drilled into my memory. been a stressful day for me too, hope it gets better for you!
Thanks, what I’m stressing about is 3 days away so it prolly won’t go away for a few days xD,but I hope it gets better for you!!!
ah gotcha, best of luck to you, and thank you!
Mike gets down on some history. I love seeing him pop up when conversations turn toward racist policy.
I mean, the only reason they would go and capture other nations' citizens is because Europeans effectively engaged in market manipulation by flooding the continent with goods that would give any group an incredible advantage over all of their neighbors. If aliens were to suddenly come to Earth and say they'd give whatever country is willing to give them as many semiconductors as possible the ability to produce unlimited energy, don't you think that a lot of people would start attacking Taiwan?
I really don't know why the fuck slavery apologists think "yeah we did slavery against black people but we bought the slaves from other black people so it's not bad". Like, imagine saying "yeah, I beat a woman but another woman beat her first and told me I could so it's ok"
And it really wasn’t “normal.” Atlantic chattel slavery was unique in that: 1) It was based on race. 2) It was permanent; you weren’t eventually released. 3) It was hereditary; your children are slaves as soon as they’re born. That’s why the whole “bUt WhAt AbOuT tHe IrIsH?!” point is bullshit. Even some Native Americans took slaves during war - but slaves were eventually adopted as members of the tribe and granted full rights.
This conception still has to be decolonized. Dahomey and some of the other actors in the slave trade were organized, regionally powerful kingdoms. Not so much tribal warfare as just plain warfare
What does selling slaves have to do with slave ownership? I would think a lot actually. This meme is garbage and the point even devoid of the blatant racism is still just whataboutism, but that's kind of a weird way to phrase your criticism.
Sorry, meant what does it have to do with the morals of it. In a sense of, I guess you could say: if murdering someone (owning slaves) is made easier because you're being given weapons (receiving slaves from tribes), it doesn't make it any less immoral.
Also of note, even though African tribes did participate in slavery it pales in comparison to American slavery. American slavery was brutal for too many reasons to count at the moment. African slavery was honestly more akin to a criminal working out their sentence as opposed to humans being property. Even in the cases where African slavery was cruel, it doesn’t somehow excuse western slavery in any capacity like you said
It goes hand in hand with the right wing talking point of “only X amount of slaves were brought over from Africa,” which conveniently ignores the intentional breeding of more slaves and the growth of the population.
That’s another thing yeah. You could be BORN into slavery in America.
same with Roman slavery
Some Roman slavery. I read where the rural slaves could have it pretty, pretty badly — in comparison to the urban Roman slaves.
Or those sent to salt mines or the fulleries. Nasty ways to go.
Yeah, slavery in Rome (into the Byzantine period) was very much a case of it depending on where your owner put you. You could be educated to serve as a highly demanded paedagogus, or more likely you could be spending the rest of your life working on some aristocrat's cash crop plantation. Or worst case scenario you're mining salt or silver. Slavery in the Muslim world was similar; you could well be a professional soldier or administrator, or you could be doing manual labor in a sugar plantation.
Yes, and some actually had contracts where they had to have time off and food provided etc, which is pretty strange really. Apparently they had more leave than modern Americans (well who doesn't!?)
the average life expectancy for rural roman slaves was something like 30 years, so yeah pretty fucking bad
A millenia of genocide at the hands of white trash vs indigenous tribal wars....I cAnT TELL wHicH is WoRsEr
Sorry if it seems ableist but do you know what the word "millenium" means?
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May come as ableist as certain disabilities Can actually cause disorganized thought. Bullying/teasing someone you don’t know for using the ‘wrong word’ or spelling something a silly way could be a bad move bc you don’t know if this person has disabilities that can cause word salading, misplaced speech, etc
For the record, I appreciated the empathetic approach in your comment. Thanks for being you!
Hey you too! :)
can i toss your word salad /s
lmfaooo. Im not sure why I’m getting downvoted bc I’m definitely not coming for OP. Someone asked how and I gave an answer as to why OP may think that 😭 people need to stop asking questions then getting mad when answers happen to them haha
Aside from the fact that you can't really successfully argue with people who believe this anyways, given that they believe in antisemitic conspiracies, the reality is that colonial slave trade is not comparable to slavery among most African tribal cultures at the time. Colonial slavery commodified human beings, turning them into property to be excited by the slaver as wish. Whereas slavery in Africa at the time was more about tribal political structures. Slaves among tribal groups in Africa were not treated as beasts of burden based on a definition of race, but rather were integrated into the new tribe. Nor was their slave status inherited. This is not to say it was a great system, but when they sold slaves to Europeans they had a whole different concept of what being a slave was meant to be. So i image African groups who sold Europeans slaves didn't exactly understand to what extent African slaves would be abused, and what the implications were on their own position in colonial Africa (that is becoming racified to be exploited for slave labour for the emerging economic conditions). So it isn't about opportunitistic Africans trying to get resources at any cost, but different economic condition in Africa at the time that was probably more akin feudalism.
It's a clear victim blaming mindset.
Well it would be just so terrible to not give them a place to stay (work them for the rest of their lives) and provide for their children (sell them for profit). It was the Christian thing to do. For four hundred years. And fight a war to prevent the end of. And fight every attempt to allow them to gain rights./s The hoops they jump through to justify their bigotry while both taking credit for and denying any guilt is astonishing.
Also "Don't worry only Jews were slave traders", white people definitely didn't do any of that.
Yeah there is a better way to communicate the fact that it was more complicated and nuanced than is often portrayed. They could have started a healthy discussion but nooo, they had to make an bigoted cartoon.
This comic sort of looks like it's trying to say American/European slavery didn't happen with how it calls it fiction. Both of these things are reality(except for the part about slaves getting bought by exclusively Jewish people, like what the fuck person who made this) and I don't think anybody who knows anything about history will try to deny that. But let's face it, a lot of people who bring up black slavery or Native American slavery or white people enslaving other white people don't do it to talk about history, they do it to say "SEEEEEEEE, the not white people did slavery too, but the liberals don't want to bring it up because they want to make us believe that all white people are evil and all not white people are victims who can do no wrong, listen to me I'm enlightened!!!!!!!!"
*\*I\** may have raped her, but her mother sold her to me, checkmate SJWs!
Well thats racist as fuck.
…and antisemetic.
Isn’t antisemitism just racism? Edit: I forgot that Judaism is a religion too my bad lol
Eh, it’s complicated. Most antisemites hate the racial aspect of Judaism and not the beliefs.
Who made this?
I found it on a nazi board. I doubt reddid would allow
Ok, so it probably is people defending slavery becuase they want to bring it back
I gotta ask, what makes you want to look at Nazi boards?
Probably the same reason that I lurk on r/conspiracy. People are dumb and I sometimes think that I’m dumb so I go there to see how much less dumb I am than everyone there. It’s like trading brain cells for some self-esteem points.
Jesus, I just spent like 5 minutes scrolling through there and it’s all anti-vaxx stuff. Not even any genuine conspiracies, just angry, stubborn people who refuse to be considerate. What a shitshow.
ever since the right wing subs got purged the crazies all had nowhere to go so they went to a lot of good subreddits like r/conspiracy, r/watchredditdie, and for some fucking reason im noticing a lot in r/justunsubbed. its sad because i loved those stupid little conspiracies that were mostly made for fun and not OBAMA DID 911 COVID IS A DEMOCRAT MADE VIRUS TO KILL ALL PATRIOTIC AMERICANS! THE VACCINE IS USED TO CONTROL YOUR MINDS!!!!
idk why you got downvoted, every minute spent on a Nazi message board is... well it's time spent on a Nazi message board, personally not in my top 1312 ways to spend my free time
Friendly reminder to anyone who sees this - you are not immune to the propaganda. Maybe not this one in particular, but it is insidious by nature. Always take a moment to reflect on that when delving into the depths of hatred.
I’m just so curious as to why somebody would willingly expose themselves to that sort of thing.
Morbid curiosity about just how much worse of a human you can be. Makes me feel a bit better for not being that.
1312
Some people do spend time in alt-right online space to monitor what’s going on/being said. Talia Lavin wrote a book about it, Culture Warlords. She went undercover to a bunch of alt-right spaces to expose them to the world. Unfortunately, she also found out she was a target as well.
The same reason I look at r/idiotsincars probably. It's hard to look away from a car wreck
I always try to have the mindset that I might be wrong with my opinions and beliefs and so I try to spend the little time I have for the Internet on places with differing opinions from mine. So far the nazis haven't convinced me :))))) One fault of left leaning reddit is how much of an echo chamber most subs have become. I even got banned from some subs I've been posting on because I strayed away a tiny bit from the allowed worldwiev.
im sure TLCM would find a way to defend this shit or downplay it...
This one reallly captures the insane nonsense that is the molten core of this kind of thinking. You’re going to try to blame other people for slavery, say it wasn’t white peoples fault and that the black people in question were just as much the villains, which… isn’t true, and even if it was true, it was still white Americans owning and beating and raping the slaves once they got here, I really don’t know why you would think that the slave TRADE was the problem. But then, while you’re trying to make this idiotic and evil argument, you’re going to use the sort of racist visual language the Nazis used in portraying Black and Jewish people… is it just me, or wouldn’t it make just as much sense if you’re going to be that racist to just stop trying to dodge guilt from slavery and just say you think slavery is a good thing? Cause if you’re going to use “untermenschen” imagery, I’m just not gonna buy that you think Africans or Jews deserve equal rights and treatment, call me crazy
I had the same questions.
wow, they're trying to hit all the racism boxes at once
Holy fuck! Managed to throw all the blame of slavery if Africans onto the Africans, and also blame the Jews. That's a rascism double whammy with a side of conspiracy theory. Their bigotry truly knows know bounds.
Did...did they just draw a chad jew? Didn't know they had it in 'em.
Wow. The racism is… just wow. Lotta beta male energy with this one…
That is racist as fuck Not even a dog whistle just pure unfiltered racism. I fucking hate the world.
wait. lol. now they're saying slavery was also a jewish conspiracy?
“No, you see, black people sold other black people to white people so it was a perfectly legitimate transaction.”
Yes various kingdoms and tribes in Africa did sell other Africans as part of the slave trade And many Africans profited off of selling people into slavery No that doesn’t justify it And it sure as fuck does not justify making racist charictatures Nor acting like the slave trade was “done by the jews”
There's too much to unpack here so let's just throw away the whole suitcase.
Ain’t no way boy…
“We’re not racist, our cartoons are.”
“Slavery wasn’t that bad, and even if the it was bad it was the Jews and African’s fault”
they made a "chad jew" and then gave him a big nose. I just dont know what to say
Ik he cried when he had to draw the jew as the chad
Fucking disgusting how they drew black people here
thank you for your input master Yoda
Hmmm welcome you are
I mean the bottom one definitely happened too, but its a shitty excuse for shitty practices. (Edit: The Africans selling other Africans part, idk who the guy on the left is supposed to be. He just looks white to me.) How the FUCK can someone actually defend slavery? "OH but they're better off here than they would be in africa" yeah only because we (white people) have exploited the fuck out of every other country. Also, I think its worth mentioning that anyone who makes these absurdly hideous caricatures in 2021 shouldn't have an opinion. Like you clearly aren't making a point in good faith, so your throwing your opinion out the window right there.
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Right, I was referring to Africans selling other Africans into slavery. I wasn't aware that was supposed to be a Jewish guy, im bad at reading these. Hell im probably still not getting it. Like tbh I can't tell the difference between different groups of people aside from really obvious traits. Racism just confuses me on many levels, how tf people have the time to sit down and decide who is what when it's not even important is beyond me.
Large noses and beards are often used to stereotype Jewish people. A great example is the old three little pigs cartoon from 1933. The fox disguises himself in a suit with a large nose, beard, and spoke with a Yiddish accent. It was changed in a re-release in 1948 but the message still stays. Also, the guy is wearing a Kippah with a star of David on it, a dead giveaway that this is supposed to be a Jewish stereotype.
Yeah. My mind just glosses over that stuff a lot of the time. It's something I don't like to touch with a 10 foot pole out of fear of being wrong and offending someone. oh and also autism. Like imma be honest I don't even know if Jewish is a race or a religion and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
>Like imma be honest I don't even know if Jewish is a race or a religion and at this point I'm too afraid to ask. Yeah that is a very touchy subject. Generally, its both. Someone who practices Judaism is Jewish by religion. But we also consider the descendants of the Israelites (who conquered the Canaanites in order to reach the promised land) to be Jewish by race. However, there is a lot of discourse on whether it should be considered a race. Over the last Millenium, as Jews migrated west into Europe, they were treated with extreme prejudice, and would often be forced to live on their own, away from local communities. The result of this was that there is a specific genetic difference between ethnic Jews and other Europeans. When faced with immigration, the already existing population has a tendency to have a prejudice against the immigrating population, we see this all the time. Problem is that, because the Jewish population was so extremely ostracised, they never got to assimilate to the European population, leading to antisemitism never really going away. Of course, this culminated in Germany, where the loss during the Great War combined with the economic struggle during the 1930s gave way to the Nazis. Fascism always needs a scapegoat, there has to be someone to shift the blame to for the population's troubles. There was already rampant antisemitism across Europe, so it became the Jews who were blamed. The Holocaust was possibly the single greatest tragedy in human history, with the goal of wiping out the Jews completely. The justification for all kinds of racism, including antisemitism, almost always boils down to some kind of genetic difference. The existence of a Jewish race, defined by the descendants of the Israelites, implies that there is some sort of genetic difference, which could be used as justification for antisemitism. So while a lot of people consider there to be a sort of Jewish race, it would be advisable to avoid these types of conversations, since the same ideas could be used by far-right nationalists.
White dude on the bottom has a yamulka on, jewish
Yeah I missed that, mb
Just a question,i don't know if you know but where did the idea that jews did the slave trade come from?I'm seeing a growing number of the alt right that are trying to blame jews for it.They even go as far as say that most whites had nothing to do with slavery.In fact,they claim it was all part of the jews plan to genocide whites.
Thing is, the descendents of slaves in America aren't necessarily better off than if they were in an African nation. Some of the deprivation in the USA is horrendous.
this is so racist it's not even funny
The worst part of this is that when tribes in Africa sold slaves to european slave traders, this tribes didn't even know what would happen to the slaves, because they were sold in America. Slavery in the USA was worst that it was in Africa. Don't get me wrong, slavery is always bad, but the slavery practised in the USA was more brutal. There were many tribes that didn't practise slavery.
African tribes selling members of other tribes captured the in tribal warfare doesn’t make slavery ok
Swapping out the white slaver does make it ok either. I was thinking at what point is it ok to buy and trade in humans; seems like this is saying it wasn’t white people doing it.
This is all wrong, historically Africans had better teeth than the British.
Wow. "I'm not racist, its the Jews that are racist! All of the Jews, every single one!" Yeah that's just racist
Wait do they thing jews are chad now?
Only when they're slavers, apparently
Ok, so some African tribes did sell other Africans from other tribes into slavery but this graphic is racist and anti-Semitic and tries to deflect the act of literally owning another human being onto someone else.
Well certain African tribes made a lot of money with slave trading But I don't see how Jewish??? People had anything to do with that. It was still Christians who shipped them to the USA. Christians weren't the investors of slave trade but they sure did huge amounts of crime and use Christianity to justify it. This meme is just antisemitic Also the portrayal of the black ppl is... Weird... Only point they rly have is that some people profited from slave trades in Africa. But what kind of a point is that? Feels like they wanna justify it somehow
They act like it matters who may or may not have made money off slavery. Does not change people being held as slaves. Does not erase the racism.
My last sentence basically. Doesn't change the crimes committed in America. Ohh people had slaves in Africa aswell? Totally justifies what slave traders in the US did totally!
Even if that was historically accurate, it doesn't absolve Americans and Europeans of their part in the atrocities of slavery and the destruction of entire cultures. Racists act like slavery and the systemic racism that grew from it are somehow less bad if Africans sold other Africans to white people.
"No, It wasn't the europeans fault, the real bad guys were black people and jews" Literally a nazi.
Holy mother of racism
Looks like somebody could use a rather physical, unpleasant learning experience.
Okay,so racism AND antisemitism,cool
Yes, that's the point but thank you for making it clear for people who wouldn't have otherwise gotten it
Ohhhh so it's the JEWS' fault that white Christian Americans owned slaves. Okay I get it now 👍
Reality: British merchants were a significant force behind the Atlantic slave trade between the sixteenth and nineteenth centuries. By the 18th century, the slave trade became a major economic mainstay for such cities as Bristol, Liverpool and Glasgow, engaged in the so-called "Triangular trade". The ships set out from Britain, loaded with trade goods which were exchanged on the West African shores for slaves captured by local rulers from deeper inland; the slaves were transported through the infamous "Middle Passage" across the Atlantic, and were sold at considerable profit for labour in plantations. The ships were loaded with export crops and commodities, the products of slave labour, such as cotton, sugar and rum, and returned to Britain to sell the items. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery\_in\_Britain
It's an interesting part of history to study (well all history is really). What amazed me, was although I knew that the British, once they decided to abolish slavery in all colonies then enforced no slavery in the seas, they actually spent a quarter of their budget at the time, a quarter!, policing the seas and preventing slaves being transported to the USA and other places. Pretty crazy. Imagine if nations were willing to apply that level of funding to deal with climate change in modern times!! We'd actually get somewhere!!
Yes. Also Britain had the resources, after all the British navy was the biggest in the world at the time. When Spain abolished slavery (1869), we were broke and the country was complete chaos.
This is just obvious racism
This is just…..Jesus Christ where do I begin? How do people actually think like this….
It's times like this where I want to throw myself into the sun
i feel genuinely disgusted
What sort of nerdy little e-dwelling cartoon bitch-goblin spent time making this “meme”
Wow there were stereotypes I didn't know existed in this
okay but this doesn't take away from the fact that BOTH were bad? even if jewish people were buying slaves, that doesn't mean slavery was suddenly okay? i really feel like these idiots made this as like a "GOTCHA!" when really it just doesn't change the fact that it's still fucking horrible 😭 also the amount of antisemitism i've been seeing recently is really upsetting 🙃
exacly
Cannot be more racists, narrow minded, ignorant, simple minded.
To me even being capable of creating this and having amusement in the process shows that the person who made this would do even darker things for far less than what he’s depicting in this POS cartoon
Jesus Christ, burn this
I just want to talk to him
I know many black men and me myself being half black. No one looks like this. Even if they do. Is that a bad thing?
It's interesting because the british uses a "soyjack" as a template whereas the "jew" is drawn using the "chad" as a template impliying that he is superior over the british imperial, still terribly racist but interesting nontheless.
The only real thing that's wrong is the Jewish caricature shouldn't be there and the Black caricature is inherently racist. Africans of the time did trade slaves for weapons since the slaves were their enemies / criminals.
Really didn’t need to see this. At all.
The real fiction is that the British have chins.
What’s the point of this “meme”?
slavery was ok because african tribes bad and jews bad
It’s ridiculously (and with malice, racism and antisemitism) trying to take the blame from white Europeans and put it on the Jews and black Africans for the TransAtlantic slave trade.
Huh, I wonder why the "civilized" brit isn't some racist depiction but everyone else is? /s
It is true that African rulers were directly involved in selling their own people to the European colonial powers, but I don't see how that makes it any less tragic or barbaric. If anything it makes it worse.
I hate reddit so fucking much
This is so fucking awful and inaccurate. What the fuck are they talking about?
The drawings are racist and obviously Jewish people didn’t spearhead the African slave trade. But if you know your history you’d know that the majority of slaves were willingly sold to Europeans in exchange for modern weapons and similar goods. African leaders would mostly sell criminals and prisoners, but that wasn’t always the case. I’m not saying this was the case 100% of the time, but most of the slaves Europe acquired in the transatlantic slave trade were sold willingly by their leaders.
Why are they Jews? White people owned the most amount of slaves and occupied every single position in the federal and state governments that were pro slavery
“If we just rewrite history completely, we’ll be *Right*”
Woah that’s like…REALLY bad
Wow, lots of hate in there. Get some help