Too many coincidences that don’t make sense, crime scene not well explained by a fall, combined with plenty of marital drama as a motivator. Despite this, I think they needed some reliable forensic evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and he shouldn’t have been convicted.
When I first watched it through a couple of years ago, there was no doubt in my mind that he was guilty. Nothing I have seen or read since (the HBO series was awful btw) has made me think any differently. In fact, since I joind this sub, I've read very interesting takes on parts of the case that I would never have considered before.
For instance, MP's "she's still breathing" comment during the 911 call. *Still* breathing. Why would he specify this? To me, that's a red flag right there.
MP telling the 911 operator that she fell down the stairs. If you found a family member lying in that position, covered in so much blood, would that really be your first thought?
Anyway, his whole demeanour throughout the series was completely the opposite of what you would expect of someone who had been through that sort of trauma.
Finally, when he told the reporters "I've whispered her name more than 1,000 times, and I can't stop crying", all I saw was a man simply playing to the cameras, but not doing a very good job.
> For instance, MP's "she's still breathing" comment during the 911 call. Still breathing. Why would he specify this? To me, that's a red flag right there.
IMO, I don't think KP was actually breathing at all. However, that's what MP wanted 911 dispatch to think. It's why called back a few minutes later asking where EMT were ("Where are they?) and then stating KP was no longer breathing. I think he was setting the narrative that because the ambulance hadn't arrived within minutes, it cost KP her life. She wasn't breathing period. Not even on the first call.
> MP telling the 911 operator that she fell down the stairs. If you found a family member lying in that position, covered in so much blood, would that really be your first thought?
Notice too that MP only says she fell down the stairs when asked by the dispatcher "what kind of accident?". You'd honestly think he instead he would say he walked inside to find his wife bleeding at the bottom of the stairs but doesn't know what happened. Not only bleeding from the head, but that he found her lying on up against the wall.
nothing has ever explained why there was a footprint UNDERNEATH her.
Also, being dead long before paramedics, partial clean up of the crime scene and then the changing timeline.
No fall or bird can explain away that evidence.
>nothing has ever explained why there was a footprint UNDERNEATH her.
Yes, there is an explanation and is the simplest one if you take a look at the crime scene photos. The shoeprint on Kathleen's sweatpants was made ***after the body was found*** by Peterson, not during the attack. It is a clear impression, with no sideways movement.
[PHOTO](https://gyazo.com/7b04e659af958b48f158e62b05a26e80)
During the trial:
>RUDOLF: "You can't tell exactly how that happened, right?"
>PETZKA: "Right"
>RUDOLF: "Or when it happened?"
>PETZKA "Correct."
>RUDOLF: "And wouldn't the bloody shoeprint have been smeared if Kathleen
Peterson was moving at the time it was placed on her pants, or if
Peterson was violently kicking his foot?"
>PETZKA: "It could be (...) I didn't note any smears."
>RUDOLF: "What we can deduce from that is that there was no movement going on
when that impression was made, right?"
>PETZKA: "Not sideways movement. No."
Yes - overwhelming evidence:
- He was the only one around when she was murdered.
- There were no break-ins.
- He'd found a close friend dead, murdered in the same way previously.
- Kathleen was the bread winner and the only way he could get his hands on her money is if she were dead.
- He was leading a double life, meeting with male prostitutes in Kathleen's house. She found out and was not at all happy.
- There was no murder weapon, he used his hands to bash her skull on the stairs
- He waited to call after he murdered her and attempted to clean up. Paramedics said she was already cold when they arrived
Ignore the blood splatter evidence as this was given by Weaver who lied about his experience.
He took an Alford plea second time around which acknowledges the state had enough evidence to prove the case and convict him.
> Paramedics said she was already cold when they arrived
This is exactly why I think he stated in the first call that she was "still breathing". He was setting the narrative that she was soon about to not be breathing which is what he stated on the second call minutes later with 911 dispatch. I believe he waited sometime after KP was long gone for sure to make his call. Notice in the call he makes it sounds as if he knows KP fell down the stairs as if he was present when it happened, and he immediately called 911. LE would only learn after these calls that according to MP, he was outside by the pool for a period of time when he supposedly returned inside to find KP at the bottom of the stairs (his story).
He's a malignant narcissist and a leech, not to mention a terrible actor. Also, there was evidence that KP had been dead for a long time prior to the 911 call. The other stuff is circumstantial, but not irrelevant.
His body language was giving off extreme deception. I believe he killed her in a rage and then tried to arrange the scene. Nothing he said made any sense about the timeline. The doc doesn't talk about her neck injuries and the hundreds of emails deleted the day before and after her death that talk about his deep money issues. I'm not sure about the first woman's death but he definitely had something to do with his wife's death.
And a serial killer if you think two women were killed the same way and were very similar to each other! Even how many cuts they had on the head was the same! I can't believe he was released from prison!
*Edit: typo
Guilty FOR SURE. He's clearly a narcissist, and perhaps even a psychopath. In addition to what other people said: one thing that was mentioned right in the beginning of the documentary and never mentioned again was the scalp tissue with hairs on the entrance to the stairs, I think it was a door frame or an arch/wall. The cuts on the head seem to have been done with something sharp, which is why that tool (I don't remember the name, I'm not an English native speaker, but the one used on the fireplace, something blower), that tool seemed to have a round cane. Later there was the owl theory that she died trying to defend herself and hit her head on wall/stairs. Terrible theory. The guy is a writer and thinks we are fools, makes up a completely nonsense story. Falling down the stairs is also completely nonsense for the kind of wounds she had. One more thing, there was a lot that was left out from the documentary (I watched the Netflix one, which takes his side, it was done to make the public think he was innocent), but I read online that the dog pooped somewhere wrong in his house, and he beat the dog's head until it bled. Someone who is capable of doing that to an animal is also capable of doing that to a human, that act shows how sick a person can be, and the lack of empathy they have.
Whoa whoa whoa. I did not know this about the dog. I also didn't know about the severity of his financial issues. Really wish the original doc mentioned these things.
Me too! The story is explained better online, i read it one of those days when I was googling to find out if he really was guilty or not, I think it's good to keep challenging our own opinions, I felt he was guilty but maybe I was wrong you know? I got only more proof that the was guilty instead. There's nothing that says he's innocent
I think yes guilty based solely on 1 belief - if you stumble upon your spouse traumatically and horrifically dead, you know you did not kill or hurt or but you were the only other person in the house then you do not lie or have the foresight to even want to lie in your statements during the investigation any reason - because you’re life was just shattered and that of your kids who really gives a shit about what porn you liked or even what casual sex you paid for if you’re innocent, you don’t want to create false red herrings for the police to be distracted by you want justice and to understand - his claiming she knew about his sexuality is total bullshit, while perhaps some marriages allow that - this woman clearly didn’t and it was obvious that those lies turned her family against him and closed them off to other possible answers husband gets caused cheating and with porn he “shouldn’t” have so he kills wife makes sense to people particularly with her injuries no further brainstorming needed
And his entire demeanor was just wrong my sister lost her husband unexpectedly and just random crying or gets angry, mutters how her life sucks If frustrated, most of her general responses to everyone and everything is a confused and hurt person, angry she can’t understand or change it he was strangely happy almost jovial at times, angry at her sisters and her daughter for grieving her more than trusting him very odd
At the end of the series when he is talking about the support he received from his kids, he says something like “the next time one of us fucks up…” which is enough proof for me.
I watched that whole thing thinking he was innocent until the end with his last interview and I felt like I had been played the whole time. The woman he dated from France felt the same way (according to the HBO series which of course is only based on the documentary so we don’t know for sure).
Too many coincidences that don’t make sense, crime scene not well explained by a fall, combined with plenty of marital drama as a motivator. Despite this, I think they needed some reliable forensic evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and he shouldn’t have been convicted.
When I first watched it through a couple of years ago, there was no doubt in my mind that he was guilty. Nothing I have seen or read since (the HBO series was awful btw) has made me think any differently. In fact, since I joind this sub, I've read very interesting takes on parts of the case that I would never have considered before. For instance, MP's "she's still breathing" comment during the 911 call. *Still* breathing. Why would he specify this? To me, that's a red flag right there. MP telling the 911 operator that she fell down the stairs. If you found a family member lying in that position, covered in so much blood, would that really be your first thought? Anyway, his whole demeanour throughout the series was completely the opposite of what you would expect of someone who had been through that sort of trauma. Finally, when he told the reporters "I've whispered her name more than 1,000 times, and I can't stop crying", all I saw was a man simply playing to the cameras, but not doing a very good job.
Thank you very well said. It’s sad that SOME people actually bought his charade attempt at acting.
> For instance, MP's "she's still breathing" comment during the 911 call. Still breathing. Why would he specify this? To me, that's a red flag right there. IMO, I don't think KP was actually breathing at all. However, that's what MP wanted 911 dispatch to think. It's why called back a few minutes later asking where EMT were ("Where are they?) and then stating KP was no longer breathing. I think he was setting the narrative that because the ambulance hadn't arrived within minutes, it cost KP her life. She wasn't breathing period. Not even on the first call. > MP telling the 911 operator that she fell down the stairs. If you found a family member lying in that position, covered in so much blood, would that really be your first thought? Notice too that MP only says she fell down the stairs when asked by the dispatcher "what kind of accident?". You'd honestly think he instead he would say he walked inside to find his wife bleeding at the bottom of the stairs but doesn't know what happened. Not only bleeding from the head, but that he found her lying on up against the wall.
nothing has ever explained why there was a footprint UNDERNEATH her. Also, being dead long before paramedics, partial clean up of the crime scene and then the changing timeline. No fall or bird can explain away that evidence.
>nothing has ever explained why there was a footprint UNDERNEATH her. Yes, there is an explanation and is the simplest one if you take a look at the crime scene photos. The shoeprint on Kathleen's sweatpants was made ***after the body was found*** by Peterson, not during the attack. It is a clear impression, with no sideways movement. [PHOTO](https://gyazo.com/7b04e659af958b48f158e62b05a26e80) During the trial: >RUDOLF: "You can't tell exactly how that happened, right?" >PETZKA: "Right" >RUDOLF: "Or when it happened?" >PETZKA "Correct." >RUDOLF: "And wouldn't the bloody shoeprint have been smeared if Kathleen Peterson was moving at the time it was placed on her pants, or if Peterson was violently kicking his foot?" >PETZKA: "It could be (...) I didn't note any smears." >RUDOLF: "What we can deduce from that is that there was no movement going on when that impression was made, right?" >PETZKA: "Not sideways movement. No."
Yes - overwhelming evidence: - He was the only one around when she was murdered. - There were no break-ins. - He'd found a close friend dead, murdered in the same way previously. - Kathleen was the bread winner and the only way he could get his hands on her money is if she were dead. - He was leading a double life, meeting with male prostitutes in Kathleen's house. She found out and was not at all happy. - There was no murder weapon, he used his hands to bash her skull on the stairs - He waited to call after he murdered her and attempted to clean up. Paramedics said she was already cold when they arrived Ignore the blood splatter evidence as this was given by Weaver who lied about his experience. He took an Alford plea second time around which acknowledges the state had enough evidence to prove the case and convict him.
> Paramedics said she was already cold when they arrived This is exactly why I think he stated in the first call that she was "still breathing". He was setting the narrative that she was soon about to not be breathing which is what he stated on the second call minutes later with 911 dispatch. I believe he waited sometime after KP was long gone for sure to make his call. Notice in the call he makes it sounds as if he knows KP fell down the stairs as if he was present when it happened, and he immediately called 911. LE would only learn after these calls that according to MP, he was outside by the pool for a period of time when he supposedly returned inside to find KP at the bottom of the stairs (his story).
He's a malignant narcissist and a leech, not to mention a terrible actor. Also, there was evidence that KP had been dead for a long time prior to the 911 call. The other stuff is circumstantial, but not irrelevant.
His body language was giving off extreme deception. I believe he killed her in a rage and then tried to arrange the scene. Nothing he said made any sense about the timeline. The doc doesn't talk about her neck injuries and the hundreds of emails deleted the day before and after her death that talk about his deep money issues. I'm not sure about the first woman's death but he definitely had something to do with his wife's death.
He's a serial liar amd Kathleen was long dead when the paramedics arrived.
And a serial killer if you think two women were killed the same way and were very similar to each other! Even how many cuts they had on the head was the same! I can't believe he was released from prison! *Edit: typo
Guilty FOR SURE. He's clearly a narcissist, and perhaps even a psychopath. In addition to what other people said: one thing that was mentioned right in the beginning of the documentary and never mentioned again was the scalp tissue with hairs on the entrance to the stairs, I think it was a door frame or an arch/wall. The cuts on the head seem to have been done with something sharp, which is why that tool (I don't remember the name, I'm not an English native speaker, but the one used on the fireplace, something blower), that tool seemed to have a round cane. Later there was the owl theory that she died trying to defend herself and hit her head on wall/stairs. Terrible theory. The guy is a writer and thinks we are fools, makes up a completely nonsense story. Falling down the stairs is also completely nonsense for the kind of wounds she had. One more thing, there was a lot that was left out from the documentary (I watched the Netflix one, which takes his side, it was done to make the public think he was innocent), but I read online that the dog pooped somewhere wrong in his house, and he beat the dog's head until it bled. Someone who is capable of doing that to an animal is also capable of doing that to a human, that act shows how sick a person can be, and the lack of empathy they have.
>but the one used on the fireplace, something blower Blowpoke.
Thanks! 😊
Whoa whoa whoa. I did not know this about the dog. I also didn't know about the severity of his financial issues. Really wish the original doc mentioned these things.
Me too! The story is explained better online, i read it one of those days when I was googling to find out if he really was guilty or not, I think it's good to keep challenging our own opinions, I felt he was guilty but maybe I was wrong you know? I got only more proof that the was guilty instead. There's nothing that says he's innocent
Blood evidence, autopsy evidence, Liz Ratliff injuries, finances, shady timeline, infidelity evidence likely accessed by Kathleen, 911 call.
He may have just don't feel there was reasonable doubt
I think yes guilty based solely on 1 belief - if you stumble upon your spouse traumatically and horrifically dead, you know you did not kill or hurt or but you were the only other person in the house then you do not lie or have the foresight to even want to lie in your statements during the investigation any reason - because you’re life was just shattered and that of your kids who really gives a shit about what porn you liked or even what casual sex you paid for if you’re innocent, you don’t want to create false red herrings for the police to be distracted by you want justice and to understand - his claiming she knew about his sexuality is total bullshit, while perhaps some marriages allow that - this woman clearly didn’t and it was obvious that those lies turned her family against him and closed them off to other possible answers husband gets caused cheating and with porn he “shouldn’t” have so he kills wife makes sense to people particularly with her injuries no further brainstorming needed And his entire demeanor was just wrong my sister lost her husband unexpectedly and just random crying or gets angry, mutters how her life sucks If frustrated, most of her general responses to everyone and everything is a confused and hurt person, angry she can’t understand or change it he was strangely happy almost jovial at times, angry at her sisters and her daughter for grieving her more than trusting him very odd
At the end of the series when he is talking about the support he received from his kids, he says something like “the next time one of us fucks up…” which is enough proof for me.
I watched that whole thing thinking he was innocent until the end with his last interview and I felt like I had been played the whole time. The woman he dated from France felt the same way (according to the HBO series which of course is only based on the documentary so we don’t know for sure).