It's Southgate job to either design a system that works for those top players OR if he can't do that be ruthless and pick players to fit a system that he can make work.
Yes he has to be ruthless, but I can sympathise with him why he is unable to be ruthless.
With the previous golden generation, great managers struggled with being ruthless as well.
It would take the biggest managers in the world to drop Foden or Bellingham or even Kane if they don’t perform.
Quite honestly, and I know history has been a little rewritten here, under the previous golden generation we were never consistently this bad at a tournament. Not even close.
2010 was an almost carbon copy of the group stage performances. England vs Algeria is still the worst game in football history. But it was the very end of the “golden generation”
I wasn't including 2010 as golden generation. Too many of the "golden" players gone or past their best by now.
When I think of the Golden generation I think of the squads we took to the 2002, 2004 and 2006 tournaments.
Those teams were far from perfect but were miles above what we've seen from this team so far.
>I know history has been a little rewritten here, under the previous golden generation we were never consistently this bad at a tournament. Not even close.
We didn't even qualify for 2008 and we were crap in the groups in 2002.
This is definitely our worst showing under Southgate, but arguably our worst team too.
Which tournament did we do well in? I mean the generation with Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney, JT, Rio, Ashley Cole, Sol Campbell, G.Neville, J.Cole.
We actually underperformed with those guys.
At least Southgate has reached a major final.
We didn't do "well" but neither did we play anything like as badly as we've been playing thus far.
We've drawn with Denmark, Slovenia and Slovakia in normal time. The golden generation were never that poor.
Bro in the 2010 World Cup we drew 0-0 with Algeria. 🤣🤣 beat Slovenia narrowly 1-0, drew with the USA 1-1. 🤣🤣🤣. Narrowly got out of that group and then got hammered 4-1 by Germany in the round of 16. We were not bad, we were disgusting. 🤢
Why do you *have* to play them?
Just take a look at Germany and you’ll see it’s not true. Wirtz was the best player in the Bundesliga last year and is on the bench because their coach can see that forcing all the big names into the first 11 without a thought for tactics isn’t the way to achieve success.
No you don't have to play them
Man hasn't played Trent at fullback because we had other fullbacks, he hasn't played one of chillwell or Shaw when they were good, he had to choose sterling or rashford
It's very easy, bench the player who has never once performed in an England shirt. Don't bench the two players that get goals even when they're crap
He's talking specifically about Southgate.
Gareth **has** to play them because he's an incompetent, tactically inept pizza delivery boy who got a club relegated and then somehow found himself managing England (because he's a bit nice).
>But what would you do as a coach? Bench Foden? EPL best player?
Yes. It's a tough call. But international managers have to make tough calls. It's not like club football, you can't buy and sell players. That means that national teams much more commonly end up with squads that are stacked in one part of the pitch and light in others.
That's the challenge of international football and what makes it so interesting. Successful international coaches have to make tough decisions for the good of the system. Almost every successful international team ever has had to deal with this. You have to make tough calls and sometimes that means all your best players don't get in your best XI.
>When you have the best player from Bundesliga, Laliga and EPL, you have to play them.
No you don't. You should be playing the players that will create the best team for you to get the desired result in the next match.
Foden should be benched (although it won't happen) and Gordon should play instead.
He should consider playing TAA at right back (Walker would then go to left back), although this would be a bigger risk than dropping Foden and playing Gordon and he won't do this either.
You don’t “have to play them” though. It’s his literal job to make the tough decisions but instead he is just trying to play who he thinks he should play.
I was having a look at the lineup against france at the world cup, and although england lost the team still put up a fight. The only players that weren’t playing then but started the slovakia game are guehi, trippier and mainoo. I think it’s the lack of a genuine left back that is the biggest issue with this team, and if shaw isn’t fit for switzerland we’re out.
It's Southgate job to either design a system that works for those top players OR if he can't do that be ruthless and pick players to fit a system that he can make work.
Yes he has to be ruthless, but I can sympathise with him why he is unable to be ruthless. With the previous golden generation, great managers struggled with being ruthless as well. It would take the biggest managers in the world to drop Foden or Bellingham or even Kane if they don’t perform.
Quite honestly, and I know history has been a little rewritten here, under the previous golden generation we were never consistently this bad at a tournament. Not even close.
2010 was an almost carbon copy of the group stage performances. England vs Algeria is still the worst game in football history. But it was the very end of the “golden generation”
I wasn't including 2010 as golden generation. Too many of the "golden" players gone or past their best by now. When I think of the Golden generation I think of the squads we took to the 2002, 2004 and 2006 tournaments. Those teams were far from perfect but were miles above what we've seen from this team so far.
I concede on that one. Meaning we have always been trash. 🤣🤣🤣
>I know history has been a little rewritten here, under the previous golden generation we were never consistently this bad at a tournament. Not even close. We didn't even qualify for 2008 and we were crap in the groups in 2002. This is definitely our worst showing under Southgate, but arguably our worst team too.
2008 was obviously terrible but we weren't all that bad in the groups in 2002. We beat Argentina who were the pre tournament favourites
Which tournament did we do well in? I mean the generation with Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney, JT, Rio, Ashley Cole, Sol Campbell, G.Neville, J.Cole. We actually underperformed with those guys. At least Southgate has reached a major final.
We didn't do "well" but neither did we play anything like as badly as we've been playing thus far. We've drawn with Denmark, Slovenia and Slovakia in normal time. The golden generation were never that poor.
Bro in the 2010 World Cup we drew 0-0 with Algeria. 🤣🤣 beat Slovenia narrowly 1-0, drew with the USA 1-1. 🤣🤣🤣. Narrowly got out of that group and then got hammered 4-1 by Germany in the round of 16. We were not bad, we were disgusting. 🤢
You’re about 4-10 years late there
And that wasn't the "golden generation"
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And not only that, one who's had a great season.
Why do you *have* to play them? Just take a look at Germany and you’ll see it’s not true. Wirtz was the best player in the Bundesliga last year and is on the bench because their coach can see that forcing all the big names into the first 11 without a thought for tactics isn’t the way to achieve success.
No you don't have to play them Man hasn't played Trent at fullback because we had other fullbacks, he hasn't played one of chillwell or Shaw when they were good, he had to choose sterling or rashford It's very easy, bench the player who has never once performed in an England shirt. Don't bench the two players that get goals even when they're crap
He's talking specifically about Southgate. Gareth **has** to play them because he's an incompetent, tactically inept pizza delivery boy who got a club relegated and then somehow found himself managing England (because he's a bit nice).
>But what would you do as a coach? Bench Foden? EPL best player? Yes. It's a tough call. But international managers have to make tough calls. It's not like club football, you can't buy and sell players. That means that national teams much more commonly end up with squads that are stacked in one part of the pitch and light in others. That's the challenge of international football and what makes it so interesting. Successful international coaches have to make tough decisions for the good of the system. Almost every successful international team ever has had to deal with this. You have to make tough calls and sometimes that means all your best players don't get in your best XI.
You pick your best team, not your best players.
>When you have the best player from Bundesliga, Laliga and EPL, you have to play them. No you don't. You should be playing the players that will create the best team for you to get the desired result in the next match. Foden should be benched (although it won't happen) and Gordon should play instead. He should consider playing TAA at right back (Walker would then go to left back), although this would be a bigger risk than dropping Foden and playing Gordon and he won't do this either.
He gets 100k a week and has kept a job he is shit at for far too long and you feel sorry for him?
You don’t “have to play them” though. It’s his literal job to make the tough decisions but instead he is just trying to play who he thinks he should play.
Please tell me this is a joke lol
I was having a look at the lineup against france at the world cup, and although england lost the team still put up a fight. The only players that weren’t playing then but started the slovakia game are guehi, trippier and mainoo. I think it’s the lack of a genuine left back that is the biggest issue with this team, and if shaw isn’t fit for switzerland we’re out.
£5m per year…my heart bleeds.
Well that's what he gets paid for. I don't get why he hasn't opted for playing Bellingham in the 8. If anything, that's his best position!