What the fuck is wrong with people? Building cages, installing cameras. The amount of effort they put into abusing these kids is amazing. It would have been easier to just be a good parent
They obviously don't have the tools to be a good parent. I wish people like this would just relinquish custody to a family member or the state. It's so evil.
I know you’re talking about having the maturity, empathy and other behavioural qualities of being a parent, but what you said reminded me of something else.
In the bodycam footage you can see several large flat screen TVs, a shelf that is literally stacked to the ceiling with plush dolls and other things you wouldn’t expect to see in a house living on the poverty line, not to mention the security tech they had installed to imprison the kids.
They’re not rich, but they clearly had the means to buy non-essential items, which makes it all the more astounding that they chose to spend so much cash specifically on products for the express purpose of abusing the kids.
Saw a video of this on YouTube. Those poor kids. She made her girlfriend have her on call while the cops interviewed her. They are the worst people in the world and those weren't even her kids. She was also in trouble before for child abuse and the local cops ignored it until the State got involved. Disgusting!
I wish the feds or someone was investigating the local cops. So many people tried to report these women, but someone tipped them off so that they could cover things up with the local cps & cops. Local law enforcement was involved in supporting this abuse.
Right?! These kids could have been saved YEARS before something was actually done. I hate when their excuse is "stealing food". No kid is stealing food from their own home. They are hungry! This case made my blood boil
Exactly. “Stealing food” is either A.) child’s just hungry and is taking food to eat or B.) child has experienced hunger & food insecurity therefore feels a need to take food even when not actively hungry &/or hide it for later.
So regardless of which one it was (I’m leaning towards B) it’s foul that they tried using that as a justification
Definitely. It’s not a behaviour that should be punished, it’s behaviour that needs an empathetic approach and possibly therapy. My uncle is adopted and had been through a lot of trauma before becoming part of our family, and he would hide food because of his past. It took years of therapy to help him. Kids need compassion not punishment in those types of scenarios.
>Those poor kids. She made her girlfriend have her on call while the cops interviewed her.
This part was absolutely insane. It could have gotten someone killed or evidence destroyed.
I watched a youtube summary that included a lot of the investigation footage. On top of what was mentioned here there was also a lot of horrific and bizarre “creative” methods of torture. Like Jayme filling kiddie pools with huge amounts of spaghetti or pudding and forcing the kids to get in the pools and eat beyond the point of satiety as she filmed them. The sheriff was suspiciously blasé and insisted on his prior checks to the home he had seen nothing out of the ordinary. It left me with the impression that the abuse of the children was the tip of the iceberg… glad they’re behind bars.
It really reminded me of Sarah Boone how Jayme Kushman had self-incriminating videos on her own phone at the time of arrest. It really takes low to a whole new level to not only do something despicable, but to _record yourself doing it_ as well. Is it supposed to be some sort of keepsake or something?
Probably. There's really only three reasons for being an abuser: one, you're someone who has an obsessive need for control to the point your 'control' becomes abusive; two, you're full of so much self hate, anger and emotional immaturity you direct it outwards at those around you; three, you enjoy (sexually or otherwise) inflicting pain and suffering. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money she enjoyed what she did to those children.
I'd imagine that behavior is similar to a serial killer taking pics or vids of their torture and killing of their victims. They like to relive the high they feel when committing their acts
Yeah Jamie Sena’s sentence was ridiculous, especially considering it included time served in the lead up to the trial AND the phone thing during her interview
Didn’t the Turpins both get 25-life? How is this any different? Or are NM state child abuse laws and sentencing guidelines just grossly inferior to CA?
I’m six months pregnant and occasionally I worry that I’m a bad mom because my older kids have more TV time than I’d like.
Then I read about stuff like this, and I wonder if I can somehow manage to take in five extra kids where excessive TV time is my biggest worry with them.
Same here. My oldest is severely autistic and almost 6, and demands custody of our living room TV so my 16 month old watches a lot of little baby bum because that's what my oldest watches. And then you see this and it puts it all into perspective
I have a 2.5 year old and a 2 month old. We’re all sick right now and it’s the middle of winter, you would not BELIEVE the amount of tv we’re watching. You’re good! 😊
I have a 1 year old and sometimes I feel like I'm bad parent because of how much tv time she bad that day, but then I think about cases like this and realize, my kid is very happy and healthy so I must be doing a pretty damn good job
We once hired a play therapist for my son when he was a toddler. He told us it took serious effort to cause long lasting damage on a child. Made me feel better about the days I lose my cool!
How were they given such light sentences? It genuinely boggles my mind. This is unfathomable torture of children. In my opinion, unless these women were suffering from severe mental illness, they cannot be rehabilitated and should be jailed for life. If they can do this to a child, they are a clear and present danger to society as a whole. Sena is only 30 - she will still be of a childbearing age when she's released. Unbelievable.
I hope those kids find peace and happiness in their life.
there is a documented gender disconcordance for sentencing in the US...as well as a racial one. I usually get downvoted for mentioning it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentencing_disparity#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States%20men,average%2063%25%20longer%20prison%20sentences.
Reminds me of the time an obese woman raped and bit her boyfriend, but was let off because “the boyfriend could have defended himself” or another woman who attempted to murder her boyfriend by stabbing him and was let off because “she had a bright career ahead of her”.
On the other hand you can go into prison for insulting someone.
Did they do it for state foster care money or something? Like what was the motive other than evil? To others points it takes a lot of effort to be that cruel.
It’s not really clear from what I read. Apparently they were known drug users, and even some of the kids tested positive for meth after they were taken by CPS.
I think they just saw the kids as pets or really just living playthings
I watched a YouTube video about these two. Absolute pieces of scum. Sena tried to play innocent with the police while she had her lover on the phone listening to the entire interrogation, that what the perverting charge is for. These women are MONSTERS and do not deserve to get out of jail. Getting these two consequences took a long time and many tries. I just hope against all hope that the kids are in a place where they can live their lives without fear, and grow up healthy, provided for, and loved.
Jesus christ why did i read this.... my 8 year old had a meltdown in the car earlier and i was so mad at him and he can be such a challenging kid that i get cross easier than i'd like, but even im the darkest, worst thoughts i have ever had i could not imagine doing THIS shit. I dont even spank. This is sadism.
The scratches on the walls. Someone was so desperate to get out, a CHILD was scrambling at the wall to try and escape that. I legit think im gonna throw up.
I watched Jamie Sena’s interrogation on YouTube. She claimed she had no idea, BIG lie. Kushman’s ex wife also was aiding in the abuse of the children in my opinion.
I just watched a youtube episode of one of Sena's interrogations where she secretly had her phone in her pocket so Kushman could hear. I was absolutely blown away that they would be so brazen.
These two women should have been given life with no parole. I'd have preferred the desth penalty.
Child abusers like them deserve no sympathy and certainly no fucking parole. Outrageous. Those poor kids.
They are 100% evil, but forced sterilisation of criminals and other ‘undesirables’ was one of the tactics used by the Nazis before and during WWII.
Besides, one of the children living in the house was part of an informal foster agreement between Kushman and a homeless couple who stayed with her for a time.
No, America's program of forced sterilization of mentally ill, native Americans, and those considered intellectually disabled is what inspired the Nazis.
One of them came to America to see how the program worked.
My brother in Christ, many countries participated in it, but it wasn't only the USA's eugenics that inspired Germany. You know the country much closer to it? That remained neutral during WW2?
"Founded in 1922, the institute inspired the creation of a similar institute in Germany in 1927.
“German philosophers and German scientists came to Uppsala and took everything from this race Institute to Germany and started the race biological Institute in Berlin, which led to the establishment of Nazism and so on,” said Masoud Kamali, an author and a world-leading professor of sociology and social work"
It's hilarious that yet again people want to ignore the bullshit within the euro sphere to solely place blame on the US. You know why the USA always get shit? Because it's the biggest and most influential in general. Norway, Denmark too participates in eugenics. Stop pretending that Germany had no idea what these countries were doing and instead looked only to the USA. Germany was inspired by everyone.
Jesus.
Every time I read about child abuse cases it’s so distressing. I wouldn’t do any of these things to my pet rabbit, let alone a child. I wouldn’t do it to a stranger’s child, to my worst *enemy’s* child. I just cannot fathom it.
The Watts children were also locked up 14 hours a day, with no access to food, water, or toilet. The only difference was that the house was beautiful….
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What the fuck is wrong with people? Building cages, installing cameras. The amount of effort they put into abusing these kids is amazing. It would have been easier to just be a good parent
How does anyone find themself making a cage to put kids in and not stop and realize what they're doing is beyond fucked up? I don't understand people.
Because they lack the thought processes that make us human
I have friends that have locks on the outside of the children’s bedroom doors… I felt that was too much. Why would you need to lock a child in a room?
Why are they still your friends?! That’s absurd
They don’t get off on being a good parent. That’s the whole point. They get off on abuse as all abusers do.
Thank you for saying that, a lot of people don't understand that abusers enjoy abusing people.
They enjoy abusing weaker people, which is honestly really pathetic.
It’s a mental problem usually right? Like sociopathy
no. mentally ill people are more likely to be victims.
Kids were also chained to their beds and made to eat dinner out of a bathtub…
They obviously don't have the tools to be a good parent. I wish people like this would just relinquish custody to a family member or the state. It's so evil.
I know you’re talking about having the maturity, empathy and other behavioural qualities of being a parent, but what you said reminded me of something else. In the bodycam footage you can see several large flat screen TVs, a shelf that is literally stacked to the ceiling with plush dolls and other things you wouldn’t expect to see in a house living on the poverty line, not to mention the security tech they had installed to imprison the kids. They’re not rich, but they clearly had the means to buy non-essential items, which makes it all the more astounding that they chose to spend so much cash specifically on products for the express purpose of abusing the kids.
They did have the tools to construct a pretty nice cage, though...is that wood stained??. Little dark humor there, fr though wtf.
Disturbing, not amazing.
Saw a video of this on YouTube. Those poor kids. She made her girlfriend have her on call while the cops interviewed her. They are the worst people in the world and those weren't even her kids. She was also in trouble before for child abuse and the local cops ignored it until the State got involved. Disgusting!
I wish the feds or someone was investigating the local cops. So many people tried to report these women, but someone tipped them off so that they could cover things up with the local cps & cops. Local law enforcement was involved in supporting this abuse.
Right?! These kids could have been saved YEARS before something was actually done. I hate when their excuse is "stealing food". No kid is stealing food from their own home. They are hungry! This case made my blood boil
Exactly. “Stealing food” is either A.) child’s just hungry and is taking food to eat or B.) child has experienced hunger & food insecurity therefore feels a need to take food even when not actively hungry &/or hide it for later. So regardless of which one it was (I’m leaning towards B) it’s foul that they tried using that as a justification
Exactly. If it’s B then you try to figure out why and help them.
Definitely. It’s not a behaviour that should be punished, it’s behaviour that needs an empathetic approach and possibly therapy. My uncle is adopted and had been through a lot of trauma before becoming part of our family, and he would hide food because of his past. It took years of therapy to help him. Kids need compassion not punishment in those types of scenarios.
>Those poor kids. She made her girlfriend have her on call while the cops interviewed her. This part was absolutely insane. It could have gotten someone killed or evidence destroyed.
I watched that documentary, too, and it was almost more than I could take.
I saw that too. They're absolutely vile
Those poor kids :( I can’t begin to imagine. I wonder how they are doing now.
I watched a youtube summary that included a lot of the investigation footage. On top of what was mentioned here there was also a lot of horrific and bizarre “creative” methods of torture. Like Jayme filling kiddie pools with huge amounts of spaghetti or pudding and forcing the kids to get in the pools and eat beyond the point of satiety as she filmed them. The sheriff was suspiciously blasé and insisted on his prior checks to the home he had seen nothing out of the ordinary. It left me with the impression that the abuse of the children was the tip of the iceberg… glad they’re behind bars.
The sheriff should be indicted for child neglect. He failed to do even the bare minimum for those poor kids. I hope he lives a life of unending pain.
It really reminded me of Sarah Boone how Jayme Kushman had self-incriminating videos on her own phone at the time of arrest. It really takes low to a whole new level to not only do something despicable, but to _record yourself doing it_ as well. Is it supposed to be some sort of keepsake or something?
Probably. There's really only three reasons for being an abuser: one, you're someone who has an obsessive need for control to the point your 'control' becomes abusive; two, you're full of so much self hate, anger and emotional immaturity you direct it outwards at those around you; three, you enjoy (sexually or otherwise) inflicting pain and suffering. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money she enjoyed what she did to those children.
I'd imagine that behavior is similar to a serial killer taking pics or vids of their torture and killing of their victims. They like to relive the high they feel when committing their acts
WTF. Filming that definitely gives me CSAM vibes. I hope these children get therapy and eventually find peace.
15 years and 5 years? WTF. A life sentence wouldn’t have been long enough….
5 years for torturing multiple children over an extended period of time is just crazy lenient.
That's an injustice ! Imagine those poor kids learning these monsters will be out of jail before they're even adults
Yeah Jamie Sena’s sentence was ridiculous, especially considering it included time served in the lead up to the trial AND the phone thing during her interview
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Seriously. This can’t be rehabilitated, or atoned for
Right, some people are just too far gone
“pushing his face into his own vomit.” what in the absolute fuck
Didn’t the Turpins both get 25-life? How is this any different? Or are NM state child abuse laws and sentencing guidelines just grossly inferior to CA?
I think they are in with the police
I’m six months pregnant and occasionally I worry that I’m a bad mom because my older kids have more TV time than I’d like. Then I read about stuff like this, and I wonder if I can somehow manage to take in five extra kids where excessive TV time is my biggest worry with them.
I've always heard that if you worry about whether or not you're a good parent, you are. Congrats on the baby!
Same here. My oldest is severely autistic and almost 6, and demands custody of our living room TV so my 16 month old watches a lot of little baby bum because that's what my oldest watches. And then you see this and it puts it all into perspective
I have a 2.5 year old and a 2 month old. We’re all sick right now and it’s the middle of winter, you would not BELIEVE the amount of tv we’re watching. You’re good! 😊
The fact that you are worried means you are a good parent.
I have a 1 year old and sometimes I feel like I'm bad parent because of how much tv time she bad that day, but then I think about cases like this and realize, my kid is very happy and healthy so I must be doing a pretty damn good job
We once hired a play therapist for my son when he was a toddler. He told us it took serious effort to cause long lasting damage on a child. Made me feel better about the days I lose my cool!
This was on ewu, I gasped when she revealed that she had her partner on the phone in her pocket during the police interview.
Ewu?
It’s a YouTube channel, explore with us. They cover these cases
All I could find about EWU was: https://ewynstudio s.com/
>explore with us
https://youtu.be/UY_ZW6M8K9g?si=Rrup3Lo57aDgMp7k
Ooh I saw Jamie's police interview. Terrible people
How were they given such light sentences? It genuinely boggles my mind. This is unfathomable torture of children. In my opinion, unless these women were suffering from severe mental illness, they cannot be rehabilitated and should be jailed for life. If they can do this to a child, they are a clear and present danger to society as a whole. Sena is only 30 - she will still be of a childbearing age when she's released. Unbelievable. I hope those kids find peace and happiness in their life.
there is a documented gender disconcordance for sentencing in the US...as well as a racial one. I usually get downvoted for mentioning it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentencing_disparity#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States%20men,average%2063%25%20longer%20prison%20sentences.
Oh two black women wouldve gotten life. Dont stop bringing it up
same in the uk
Reminds me of the time an obese woman raped and bit her boyfriend, but was let off because “the boyfriend could have defended himself” or another woman who attempted to murder her boyfriend by stabbing him and was let off because “she had a bright career ahead of her”. On the other hand you can go into prison for insulting someone.
Did they do it for state foster care money or something? Like what was the motive other than evil? To others points it takes a lot of effort to be that cruel.
It’s not really clear from what I read. Apparently they were known drug users, and even some of the kids tested positive for meth after they were taken by CPS. I think they just saw the kids as pets or really just living playthings
I watched a YouTube video about these two. Absolute pieces of scum. Sena tried to play innocent with the police while she had her lover on the phone listening to the entire interrogation, that what the perverting charge is for. These women are MONSTERS and do not deserve to get out of jail. Getting these two consequences took a long time and many tries. I just hope against all hope that the kids are in a place where they can live their lives without fear, and grow up healthy, provided for, and loved.
Jesus christ why did i read this.... my 8 year old had a meltdown in the car earlier and i was so mad at him and he can be such a challenging kid that i get cross easier than i'd like, but even im the darkest, worst thoughts i have ever had i could not imagine doing THIS shit. I dont even spank. This is sadism. The scratches on the walls. Someone was so desperate to get out, a CHILD was scrambling at the wall to try and escape that. I legit think im gonna throw up.
Their punishment was way too lenient in my opinion. They're both fucking monsters.
The scratch marks all over the wall. The clear signs of the children’s fear and desperation. I can’t take it.
They deserve life in prison.
I worked with a child who was kept in a situation like this. Their parents hardly got any time either.
I watched Jamie Sena’s interrogation on YouTube. She claimed she had no idea, BIG lie. Kushman’s ex wife also was aiding in the abuse of the children in my opinion.
Both named Jamie? And one charged with 5 counts as the other 4. 15/6 years? They should have received the same and not less than 25.
I just watched a youtube episode of one of Sena's interrogations where she secretly had her phone in her pocket so Kushman could hear. I was absolutely blown away that they would be so brazen.
These two women should have been given life with no parole. I'd have preferred the desth penalty. Child abusers like them deserve no sympathy and certainly no fucking parole. Outrageous. Those poor kids.
They both deserve LIFE! Even more so the bitch gf that had had the main instigator ON THE PHONE SECRETLY during her fucking interrogation!!!!
They need to be put away for a long long time,
There’s the whole bodycam footage / story on YouTube They are both unhinged trash
Besides how heinous and disturbing the crimes were committed by these awful humans… it’s so odd that this case has 3 people involved named Jamie lol.
I noticed the same thing, Jamie and Jaymie from Texico, New Mexico. It sounds like it’s supposed to be the start of a joke and I really wish it was.
They got off quite lightly….
Stick those 2 in there for a week. Out on display in the downtown area.
"Explore with us" on YouTube has a episode on this one. Left me pretty pissed off
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They are 100% evil, but forced sterilisation of criminals and other ‘undesirables’ was one of the tactics used by the Nazis before and during WWII. Besides, one of the children living in the house was part of an informal foster agreement between Kushman and a homeless couple who stayed with her for a time.
I mean, the swedish did it well after WW2. So not just the Nazis. Though I believe their program may have originally inspired the Nazis.
No, America's program of forced sterilization of mentally ill, native Americans, and those considered intellectually disabled is what inspired the Nazis. One of them came to America to see how the program worked.
[No. ](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/why-did-sweden-sterilize-more-than-60-000-people-against-their-will/3160534)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#:~:text=The%20most%20significant%20era%20of,legislation%20in%20the%20United%20States.
My brother in Christ, many countries participated in it, but it wasn't only the USA's eugenics that inspired Germany. You know the country much closer to it? That remained neutral during WW2? "Founded in 1922, the institute inspired the creation of a similar institute in Germany in 1927. “German philosophers and German scientists came to Uppsala and took everything from this race Institute to Germany and started the race biological Institute in Berlin, which led to the establishment of Nazism and so on,” said Masoud Kamali, an author and a world-leading professor of sociology and social work" It's hilarious that yet again people want to ignore the bullshit within the euro sphere to solely place blame on the US. You know why the USA always get shit? Because it's the biggest and most influential in general. Norway, Denmark too participates in eugenics. Stop pretending that Germany had no idea what these countries were doing and instead looked only to the USA. Germany was inspired by everyone. Jesus.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1127045/
Breh all i can do is ask why?
Every time I read about child abuse cases it’s so distressing. I wouldn’t do any of these things to my pet rabbit, let alone a child. I wouldn’t do it to a stranger’s child, to my worst *enemy’s* child. I just cannot fathom it.
Those sentences are way too short.
Why not give the kids up for adoption? If I was unhappy I had to care for kids, I would give them up for adoption before resorting to this bs.
Poor babies, lock those monsters to humanity up.
Monsters.
What’s good for the goose….
Prison is particularly appropriate for them
Christ, the evil of humanity knows no bounds 😞
Not long enough prison time for these two disgusting monsters.
15 years ? That's it? It should be life!
Did any of the kids at least survive?
The Watts children were also locked up 14 hours a day, with no access to food, water, or toilet. The only difference was that the house was beautiful….
Their lifestyle was so erie. Poor kids
Death penalty if I were in charge of meting out justice for those poor children.
Five years..
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Save em. I have a use for those. Hey ladies step right over here…/s What a couple of malignant human beings.
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Let’s discuss the case, not forced sterilisation as punishment because that is internationally recognised as a gross violation of human rights
Did I say they should be forcibly sterilized????
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Only five years for torturing children is insane. Pays to be a female child abuser, I guess.
Death penalty in these type of cases.
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