I think an equally strong reason is that people feel like they're being gaslighted by politicians.
It's one thing to see chaos happening, and it's another thing completely to be told that it's perfectly normal and you're a bad person for even questioning it.
It’s even worse in Britain. Most of the time they do gaslight us into thinking mass immigration is a good thing, how dare you question it you racist! Some of the time, like right now, in the run up to an election they will make all of noise about immigration being too high and how we’re going to control it, bring it down to the low tens of thousands. Lies upon lies.
I had an argument with a friend once about banning of nativity plays in school and the cancellation of the term “Merry Christmas” as opposed to “Happy Holidays” and he genuinely felt like we should stop these things in order to make foreigners feel more comfortable in the west. Why is it that people can come here and we have to change our culture and customs in order to make them feel more at home? When I go to a foreign country I am a foreigner and I respect that. When in Rome you do as the Romans do
I honestly think a lot of Western countries have a strong guilt complex. That guilt complex was likely magnified after WW2 and Hitler's embracing of Aryan superiority. Tons of Westerners are afraid of seeming like Nazis, and they're overcompensating so much that they're losing control of their societies. That's my theory at least. A lot of modern "equality/equity" ideas came after the 1940s, but it's gotten to the point of absurdity. Why allow your country to change it's identity over a tiny minority? I say this as a minority in America.
People need to find the balance of being themselves while being kind to others. The West is being destroyed by suicidal tendencies. It's so bad right now that if you even question the narrative, you're immediately called a Nazi or fascist.
Canada is royally fucked and sadly the people who immigrate there game the system and have no desire to assimilate into the culture. In 20 years at this point it’ll become overrun by a certain ethnic group. The reality is that temporary visas can stay but the ability to seek permanent residency has to be on halt to allow countries the ability to grow its population.
Yes. Went to a rural library today outside major Canadian city. There were a dozen Indian children running and screaming all through the library. Running, hiding, screeching, playing hide and seek in the bathrooms etc. Indian mothers did nothing. It was so loud. Playground loud. I had my four kids with me and never would allow that behaviour!! Looked over at the city library staff… Indians. Okay. Must be a cultural thing, does India not have public libraries????
I think the conservatives are definitely working the immigration angle, but I doubt they’ll actually deliver what they’re promising (or what people are expecting)
Call me jaded, but I think they’ll make some mostly symbolic changes, but will generally pick the status quo.
I do wonder if the PPC will get some seats in the next election…
The NDP might lose a couple of seats and maybe that will trigger Jagmeet to eventually step down, and having a new leader (Eby?) that might give the federal NDP the kick in the ass they need to be more relevant again? (Wishful thinking and wild ass guesses are getting mixed here)
I’m pretty certain the cons are completely onboard with all of the immigration.
Unless my information is out of date, last I checked their party had zero plans to actually reduce immigration.
Feel free to correct me here but the immigration supports their overlords as much as the liberals.
Poilievre has been saying he’ll tie immigration to housing, or that he will restrict immigration to less than 50% of its current levels.
I think he will axe some refugee programs programs, and _maybe_ cut down on the federal paths to PR, but I agree with you that most likely, overall immigration levels will stay the same.
Now that I think about it, there might be some “horn” effect from a conservative government too, that fewer people decide to immigrate here because they start seeing Canada as unwelcoming and instead move somewhere else or stay put, but I’m just speculating here.
Conservatives and right wingers absolutely love immigrants. Suppresses wages, pushes up housing and rent prices, increases GDP. Why would they not want more immigration?
Are there really that many employers as a voting bloc? Money they have, but how does that translate to votes?
Will conservative donors give to left wing candidates?
I don't know how unpopular this opinion really is, even as someone on the left I absolutely agree with you. I think this is also a result of the left feeling like they need to run to the extremes and leaving a lot of us who used to be left feeling more like the middle. There's such a thing as responsible immigration but in order to show how "not right wing" they are, the left has gone completely mental with their positions on this and many other issues.
Rampant, unchecked illegal immigration is unsustainable economically. Also, the refusal to assimilate creates a large and growing population of "others", which only leads to more resentment and greater enmity toward illegals. A lot of places here in the US barely have the infrastructure to support the population they have, it's just not possible to continuously bring in and support more.
National and right wing movements are gaining traction because people feel forgotten in their own country. Left wing governments are too busy trying to appeal to outsiders and show how virtuous they are, they're starting to forget their own people at home. The result will be what we're already starting to see, a rise in support for the right throughout the western world.
To be fair, this "Assimilation" thing has only been a fairly recent thing in our nation's history.
- California has always had hispanic only speaking communities since it's state's inception, it's not illegal immigration that has made it more prevalent, but their growing population. With that said, there ARE a lot of illegal immigration that has added to this problem. But my neighbors who live in the apartment next to me have had a family who's been in the US since before CA was the US, and they have members that have never learned english; they're from Calexico, initially, and their family can be traced back to the rancheros out that way in the desert.
- Germanic communities, swiss communities, Irish communities, Italian communities, Chines and japanese communities have historically always been present.
- Holtville, CA, was almost entirely populated by swiss immigrants, and still hosts a lot of swiss culture and the swiss club of the imperial valley. My great grandma(Paternal) only learned how to speak english fluantly in her 80's, and she had moved there when she immigrated in the 1910's.
- Many german only speaking communities in the midwest, such as Pleasantdale Nebraska(Which is still a very small community) used to exclusively have families that never spoke english and only spoke German up until WW2, with many of these people being 4+ Generations borne in the US. My great grandfather(maternal) is buried there, and never learned english, and his family line can date back all the way to the Pilgrims(A marriage of someone who used to speak english into a US german only speaking community and their kids learning only german). The community up until the reflex against germans did not "Integrate" with major US Society, and this was echoed all OVER the midwest, with many of these old german pockets only taking steps to be "American" because they didn't want to be discriminated against or considered Nazi germans.
- Terminal Island in Los Angeles used to be a Japanese speaking community that still lived like they did in japan, and were a primarily fishing only village. They were forcefully evicted from their homes and moved to concentration camps in the deserts of CA, and their land was perminently taken by the state to make a harbor. They never got paid for what they had initially owned. Sure, they assimilated after that, because they HAD to, just as the Germans did, especially after WW2.
There are many other examples like that, we even glorify many parts of traditional, non-integrated pockets of cultures, often calling them X-towns or Little-x, like chinatown or Little Italy, etc. Swiss pockets have been called "Swiss Villages" which is kinda funny IMO.
We've always been a melting pot, but we are stretching at the seams, and communities that used to not be integrated have been pushed into eachother, and this has created an issue where what was always something seems more prevalent than it was. Many of us in the US are only 2-3 generations "Fluent" in english and "assimilated", and we've lost track of that, but we're still weird and "proud" of what we are, and tell people we're "Irish-American" or "German-American" or "Swiss-American". We didn't make those steps to integrate, it was our forebearers, and often it was a war that forced integration, especially for Italians, Spaniards(from spain), Germans, and Japanese.
Like the California hispanic speaking communities moving from places like El Centro into San Diego county in the 2K's as they gained more purchasing power and settled in former english-only places, making bilingual signage in once English only stores pop up. This, and blatant cultural prejudice, and lack of knowledge of indigenous, and precursor peoples in the land we're in, or even of cultures within our own states that aren't the same as our own is definitely causing a backlash. When I used to live in Santee, east county San Diego, I've seen people yell at native americans of the Viejas tribe, and other tribes who have reservations around the city as if they're hispanic people, just a lot of ignorance around skin color happens when it comes to the immigration issue currently. They even overlook some of it from those who have skin colors that they share, and try to lump all the issues on those with darker skin. No one bats an eye if they say their grandma only speaks Italian, or Russian, or ... any other European language basically, but if that's "Spanish" or some asian/middle eastern language instead, suddenly they're not "integrating".
It's like... the Amish, in a way. They're nothing new to people in the East, but if they randomly popped up in CA somewhere, started buying up land, affecting the flow of traffic on the roads, new signage started appearing to account for their ways of travel, and many of the stores started catering to them specifically, it'd raise a lot of brows, and cause a bit of unnecessary and irrelevant anger.
I view the cause of this, though, as a failure of education in teaching about a state's subcultures and different communities. I guess, as someone with deep connections to the area around Holtville, and specifically my swiss heritage, we always made trips down to El Centro and the Imperial Valley. It's always been super high populated with Hispanic people, and more than often you were hearing spanish spoken there even well before our current "Immigration crisis". I remember my dad taking me to a restauraunt there he claimed served the best "Chili Colorado" when I was 8 or 9 in the 80's, and no one else there was speaking english. I had to point to what I wanted on the menu because the server didn't speak english either, and their menu even then was pictures and not just words. Not everyone grows up with that kind of exposure, though, but change is always hard, even for the most well-adjusted and exposed person.
The left is fucking dumb for automatically taking the polar opposite side of anything they deem to be "right wing" and immediately demonizing whatever the "right" believe with their go-to label - "racist."
Like, I'm pretty fucking liberal, but I can see that letting people stream across the border isn't good. And if that's not what's happening, it's still a legitimate concern, so maybe a friendly "I understand your fears but..." instead of "You fucking racist! You fucking Nazi!" You're gift wrapping votes for the Republican party when you do that.
Not really, the poorest whites in the nation (which outnumber poor immigrants) lean far more Republican. The Democratic party is actually becoming more the party of upper-middle class people, especially women. The "real left" (which means Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein, Cornel West, etc) is very different from the establishment liberal Democrats. I don't consider people like Hillary Clinton, Biden, Schumer, Pelosi to be "left" because they all hate poor people and love wealth inequality; instead, I consider them "liberal" not "left".
Classes have shifted from economic to indentitarian. The poorest *whites* vote very differently from the poorest immigrants. Race, as part of identity, means they can import voters.
They will demonize someone who agrees with 90% of things they agree with, all because of the remaining 10%, and then they wonder why they keep pushing people to the right.
JK Rowling and Joe Rogan are left-leaning and there's no doubt about that to anyone who has actually heard them talk. But since they disagreed with the left on one or two hot button topics, they're treated as pariahs and the right has had no problems accepting them as their own (even if they clearly aren't right-leaning).
This hold true with almost everyone. I can bet you right now, if you take an icon of the left who embodies everything that the left stands for (idc who, choose anyone), and they come out tomorrow as supporting Israel or something else that goes against the party line, they wouldnt hesistant to devour them and label them a traitor.
That's exactly it. I was demonised by an entire leftist music scene just because I don't agree with Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Which is a VERY NORMAL view to have. But so many leftists have become tankies, I was seen as the enemy. It was crazy to see people in their late 20s and 30s bully me online and in public.
The only people who weren't afraid to comfort me during that time (others were scared of being cancelled by association) were centrists and right wingers. They didn't care AND they also didn't care that I will always be a leftist despite what happened to me.
Pretty much the vile "spit in the face of those who disagree with you with no chance of redemption" is why I left the left. The cracks were forming after Charlottesville when the "punch a Nazi" thing was said a lot. I was thinking... Wait... You called Mitt Romney a Nazi. Mitt motherfucking Romney. You call everyone who disagrees with you a Nazi. Looks like you just want to punch anyone you disagree with. Suddenly saw "my side" as violent minded and hate filled. I remember where I was when I "woke" up.
Then the "good people on both sides" lie happened and I finally took my friend up on actually listening to some conservative voices. So much more peaceful stepping across the aisle not having to worry about proving that I'm more liberal or "woke" than you. One of the books that I've read recently that really explains why people are leaving the left is "Morning after the Revolution". She was a journalist for the New York times deep in the progressive circle and her experience of going from someone thrilled to be in the cancel mob to suddenly waking up to realize it's become a cult is similar to what I experienced, though on a much, much, much bigger scale.
Yea I've been called a Nazi 20 fucking times for bringing up the fact that the left would rather focus on lgbtq and BLM then things that actually affect everyday lives. Like the economy immigration or healthcare
I'm not saying lgbtq or BLM doesn't matter it's just that why focus all your political strength on that when people are dirt poor and borders are virtually non-existent
I don't even think the LGBTQ represents the average, everyday lgbtq member. My sister has been in a lesbian relationship for a few years and whenever I bring up some online LGBTQ shit, neither she nor her girlfriend knows what the fuck I'm talking about.
Your sister is what I think of when I think of a gay/lesbian
An everyday person who just has different preferences
I advocate for EQUAL rights and "let them live their lives"
I think making it legal was all that was needed
But having it taught kids like it's this very special distinct preference is wrong.
If they can't understand long divisions then they can't understand lgbtq let alone transition or come out
The example I'm thinking of is that I go to a super progressive climbing gym. So one day I see this poster hanging up:
https://i.imgur.com/N8MCw7N.png
And I'm like "what the fuck?" Clearly there's some innuendo there. And the gym is a family environment. They have a kids team, kids birthday parties, kids running around. I'm not a prude, but I just can't imagine heterosexual innuendo being appropriate on posters hanging up in the gym, think "Come get 69ed (free minutes of climbing) [not that 69 is inherently heterosexual, but you get my meaning]." Right? Like, that would just never fly.
So, I asked my sister and her girlfriend what they thought about it, and they didn't even know what "topped" meant, nor had they ever even heard about drag story hour. But, yeah, they thought the poster was weird as fuck.
THATS EXACTLY THE POINT ALL THESE "TRANSPHOBIC" CONSERVATIVE HAVE BEEN MAKING
Like I get that lgbtq folk are persecuted and stuff
BUT INCLUDING SEXUAL IMAGRY AND INNUENDO ESPECIALLY IN FAMILY AND CHILD AREAS IS FUCKING GROSS
And even "scouts" is associated with children, and so are stuffed animals. And it's like, if it were just "queer scouts," okay, but no sooner have I even heard of "queer scouts" than I'm confronted with references to sodomy.
The thing that bothers me about it isn't even the sexualization. It's that they do it then claim it's not happening, that all they want is equality.
Yeah well conservatives seem to get a lot more pissed off when brown people are the ones immigrating... And you’ve got people like Trump calling illegal immigrants rapists and killers, when the fact is the vast majority of them are just desperate people looking for a way to support their families, or escaping unimaginable situations.
The real kicker is that the people complaining the loudest about it seem to ignore the bigger question , which is WHY are all of these people desperate enough to leave their homes and loved ones? In the case of the USA, it’s because our government played a pivotal role in destabilizing and fucking these countries over in the not so recent past. Check out what we did in Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua and so many others.
I can only speak for the USA, but this country would not function without immigrants. What happened to “give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses?” I live in a region with many undocumented people, and they work harder and are more honest than most true-blue US citizens. They don’t want to be here either, in many cases. The sacrifices these people make are astounding. They’re the ones who truly embody the American Dream, not the hateful people who call for their deportation while also hiring them to clean their house or mow their lawn. The hypocrisy is crazy.
And also the fact that everything is fucking expensive. People are starting to think conservative economic policy may fix inflation. Not sure whether it actually will or not, but nobody likes spending $100 every time they step outside of their house. And the democrats are flat out denying that it's real. They are touting this great economy under biden, meanwhile nobody can buy a home, and everything from groceries, to restaurants, to entertainment has ballooned in price ever since biden was elected.
As a British chiming in here After 14 years of conservative leadership They certainly done jack fucking shit to fix this
It's not like labour is any better
Hopefully the smaller parties can get enough constituencies to at least influence policy particularly the lib dems
As I don’t follow British politics much, I’m curious as to how “conservative” politics/policies is the same or different in the US vs. Britain. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
It’s important for a country to accept immigrants that want to be a part of that country and its values. The immigrants that want to come here to just work and send money home can stay home imo. They often don’t value the same ideals, don’t assimilate at all, and sometimes hate their host-country.
Seasonal migrant workers are ok if they come legally and leave. The problem is when they’re illegal and need benefits when the work dries up and they don’t leave
I once saw a part of a documentary where Moroccan women who had never even left Morocco had a husband that once worked in the Netherlands (my country). After they passed away, apparently those women had the right to get a unemployment benefit for life from the Netherlands while living in Morocco because they were married to them. Even if the marriage lasted only like 2 years before the husband died. And it was like 3x the average wage of normal Moroccans. Absolutely unfair.
If a man dies after only working 2 years in the netherlands while their spouses live outside of the country, they should not be owed life long benefits. At the very max, for the next 2 years or so if the husband worked for that long.
If her husband was legally working or was a citizen of the Netherlands how is it unfair that his spouse gets a benefit that was agreed upon as part of his employment?
They are commenting on the policy, not the application thereof. There should not be a government policy which grants foreign nationals free money for life if their spouse works in the Netherlands for two years. That’s absurdly bad financial management and a huge breach of the social contract.
I've searched for a while and it seems like i found the video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWY-HT6P2Yk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWY-HT6P2Yk)
Though i believe it actually may have been a piece of the news instead of documentary.
Basically what happened back then is that the Dutch government decided to actually look at local living prices and adjust benefits to that. In the video women whose husband had worked in the Netherlands but had already passed away are still receiving benefits. And in one case it seems like much much more than the average wage in Morocco. First woman you see was married to her husband when she was 15 in Morocco and died when she was 17. She received benefits of 1400 euro a month from the Dutch government despite never having lived there nor having a Dutch passport, which was shortened to 835 euro a month because of the adjustment. That is still way higher than the national minimum wage of Morocco back then in 2013.
In the video we also get a tour of the house this woman lives in. Looks twice as big as an average house in the Netherlands.
You should read the comments as well. Pretty interesting.
Because when you join a group you should want to be a part of that group. You wouldn’t join a book club and then just bitch about having to read and how much you hate books. You don’t just go to book club meetings to eat the snacks and use the AC; and if you do then you shouldn’t be voicing your opinions on your hatred of reading.
I mean I guess from an economic standpoint it’s important if the population needs more people to grow/replace the elderly.
There’s the idea that people don’t ‘choose’ where they are born so if they fit in better with the ideas and values of another nation they would be happier there.
You’ve asked a very good and hard to answer question. In my personal opinion I love immigrants and think they bring a lot of value to the US in terms of culture, food, different ways of looking at things. I find most of them, the vast majority, are very happy to be Americans and while the country has a lot of problems, they’re here to live and work and be respectful of others. If someone is happier to be my neighbor, and is a good neighbor, then I’m happy to have them in my neighborhood
Every nation has border laws and should enforce them. There's no exception for 1st world countries, USA, and white nations. If people want to come in, they need to do it through a legal process. This ain't rocket science. We can't let people in just because they can tell a sob story and are already knocking at the door. It's not even tangentially related to racism, all it does is allow more human trafficking, increase crime, compromise national security, and enable the flow of illegal drugs and fentanyl. Hell, a lot of them have been deported multiple times and they just keep trying until they get in because there's no punishment for being caught. And it just makes shit harder for people trying to legally get in.
Sanctuary cities, de-funding ICE, and uncontrolled immigration are nonsensical. Call 'em undocumented immigrants if you want, they're still illegal immigrants and this type of behavior shouldn't be encouraged.
You want people who take defense into their own hands by being armed and supporting 2A and support people who can put their foot down like Trump? Because that's how you end up with a rightward swing.
“They need to do it through a legal process” but also “we can’t let people in just because they can tell a sob story and are already knocking at the door.”
But, seeking asylum IS a legal process. Telling a “sob story” IS how you apply for asylum. Showing up at the board IS what you have to do to apply for asylum.
I completely agree that immigration is a disaster right now and something needs to be done. But it doesn’t make sense when people say “just do it the legal way” because this IS a legal way and has been for a very long time.
Last time I checked, most people coming in ain't even attempting to apply for asylum. Then when they are told to go back, the sob stories come and the bleeding hearts come out to say how evil ICE is. Particularly, the southern border is so bad that there's a legal presumption that they aren't doing it for asylum and they have to overcome that.
Oh, we have a lot of experience with this shit on Hispanic countries. Those of us who live in a banana republic (yes, even Spain is a banana republic at this point) know very well governments really benefit from a more brutish population, it's easier to control with their cheap socialist ideology. Y'all are just experiencing this for the first time. If you believe that Venezuela can't happen again on your country, think again. So we used to think in Spain. And a lot of fault lies on the society itself, who let itself be fooled with the siren chants of the left.
Populism is indeed a very dangerous thing. If a politician can manipulate a large demographic to vote for them it becomes quite easy to gain power. Erdogan of course is a great example, and another I heard of was an African nation where the president promised shoes for everyone.
I had this exact thought today— I feel like the collective “we” is still recovering from spending months inside of our homes in absolutely paranoid states as we Clorox-wiped everything down so our older relatives would be safe.
Also, it’s mind-boggling that governments all over the world don’t realize that any scraps of remaining goodwill or crumbs of trust that their civilians had in them is **LONG GONE.**
It makes me sad because I really adore the concept wholesome communities surrounded by wholesome and decent people.
The incompetence and indifference shamelessly displayed by our governments and our society’s celebrities and elites during the Pandemic bothers me to this day.
Absolutely. It is not even that people have anything against immigration. But is mostly it is uncontrolled mass immigration. There are clearly problems to be worked on BEFORE we allow more immigration...but the government just doesn't want to do that, let them all in,, fix the problems later. But that's not how it sould happen.
And I do feel very sorry for all the immigrants that just want a better life and get thrown into the same pool with the people that cause the problems over here.
But what can you do...
You just can't support foreigners coming to your country financially, if your own people live in poverty once they retire etc.
You can't allow immigration if you don't send back criminals.
You can't allow immigration if you promise qualified workers but then either invite absolutely unqualified people that don't even speak English let alone the native language or actually invite people with skills but then not allow them to work.
Can't allow foreign families if you can't get the family clan scene under control.
(Speaking about Germany in all of this btw)
I think we have a duty to help the less fortunate. And I also believe being pushed out of a vagina in a random place on earth should not be a marker for where you can and cannot live in the future.
But you also can't just come into another culture and expect to get help. And many immigrants don't do that, the are hard working and very thankful for what they receive.
The problem is that we don't trow out the ungrateful ones, the ones that leach of the system or commit crimes.
We have enough problem people of our own kind who we are responsible for as a society, we don't need any more.
Thanks for putting all that into words, felt the same sentiment for a while now and I've tried to talk to my lefty friends about it and their default programmed response to any questions regarding immigration gets you hit with the "actual Nazi" bullshit line of thinking.
The left, the supposed champion of the poor and downtrodden, are losing the American inner city poor and downtrodden as they do more to help illegal immigrants than their own citizens. It's pathetic, immoral, and disgusting. These citizens continue to struggle despite all sorts of promises and now see illegals getting better housing, care, and benefits than they could dream of. And oh yeah, some are coming from countries that think rape is acceptable and women are less than second class citizens and our catch and release programs will suit them just fine.
Extrapolate this out for another 4 years if Biden or someone with an equally ridiculous open door policy is in office and guess where it goes next - to the suburbs these lefty social justice warriors live. I'm afraid for them questioning these immigration policies will only be OK to do once it's already too late. Side note, these are the same people who also think they should have a say in how any of us protect ourselves and our families. Lunacy.
The left is so out of touch with all of this. A prominent area here in downtown Toronto just voted conservative after being a liberal stronghold for decades. It's unprecedented, and the support
for conservatives is just continuing to grow rapidly. Yet all the terminally online people here just think "Am I out of touch? No, it must be the majority of the population who are just turning into alt-right Nazis"
As a lgbt person I couldn't agree more. Why do I want a bunch of people who think gay people should get stoned or die or go to hell should be allowed to flood into the country!?
Exactly. Immigrants are fine if the current population is taken care of and supported. But right now they are not. Why should I want immigrants legal or illegal if they are taking jobs and housing from people born here that are being neglected.
47% of Toronto are immigrants, and most of them are just from the past 20 years. You cannot assimilate that large of a percentage that come that quickly.
Because even if you respected a culture, and were the sole immigrant, it still takes time to learn the nuances. Often, it's the next generation which assimilates. The problem here is that the majority culture for these areas will most likely not be Canadian come that next generation when they come of age.
The Texas & Florida shipping of illegal aliens to the rich NIMBY enclaves of the north has brought about a fairly substantial shift in opinion of them.
That's part of the problem, is that these liberals often don't have to deal with the consequences of their policies. But once you force them into their backyards, they will change.
They think the immigrants will help the economy (re: be more productive workers for businesses) more than citizens who have been poor their entire lives in the US. They're probably right. Doesn't make it moral though.
I’m probably considered a communist for this subreddit’s standards, but I think you’re onto something. I’d also add that the left has dropped the ball on pro-labour/workers to a certain extent, and that vacuum has been picked up by conservatives and right wing parties.
The left is rapidly shifting from (or involuntarily losing) the working class. They are the new Rockefeller Republicans living in their Newport mansions and Manhattan towers. The image of the rich man used to be Republican, but more and more the farmer and factory worker are being identified as the Republicans.
Canada is an absolute joke country nowadays.
If your name was Canadistan people would be talking about the infringements on women's basic rights and the Orwellian, put ppl in jail who disagree with us, or worse, put ppl in jail who don't use the "right" pronoun, or worse, put parents in jail for saying get leave my autistic kid alone she doesn't need her breasts removed draconian laws.
Don't worry Ireland, Scotland, Australia all do the same.
You know who else votes right. All the legal immigrants who see this happening and think it's bonkers and insulting to those who came to contribute and be part of the society.
Oh yeah, I'm south Asian and this new wave of immigrants are not it. Most of them don't integrate and can hardly speak English. Half the time I have to speak in Hindi/Punjabi , I thought passing an English exam was a requirement to come here.
I'm working on bringing my wife and kids to the US from Mexico and it infuriates us that people can just flock across the border while we're in the middle of a nearly two-year process to do everything legally. We want to be together here in the States, work, and raise our family, but we're being cuckolded by the government and paying fee after fee after fee while Miguel from Nicaragua hops across without an issue and gets food, water, and transportation inland.
People want to preserve their culture and heritage. Politicians who aren't neighbours to these new arrivals want to open the doors to so many people.
The Refugee Convention agreements create a meat market for criminals to move bodies from the worst places in the world to the best places. Every nation needs to withdraw from that agreement and close this human trafficking market that is creating these mass migrations. The sooner it happens the bettwr for the globe. If you think I'm crazy 30k people signed a petition to end this agreement in the UK. The government of courae rejected it.
I'm not sure it's running to the right, as a left leaning voter in the early 2000s to mid 2010s, the entire Democratic political party has completely shifted their stance to the most radical version of the subject, and I suddenly found myself in the middle.
I remember, "Safe, Legal and Rare," being the Democrat position for abortions, now its very much 6ish or more months for any reason.
I remember the position on Gun Control for Democrats was to take them out of the hands of Felons, now its only 1 or 2 per law abiding citizen household.
Social programs to financially aid veterans, or those who fell down on their luck, and they had 2 years of benefits before they needed to show improvement, now you can work at a coffee shop for 8 hrs a week forever sucking off the teet of taxpayers.
The tent poles have shifted, and 40% or more of this country found themselves in the category of moderate. Thats why there are now more independent voters than a major party.
100%. I remembered reading this article when it came out and just found it again. David Frum's title is "enforce the borders or the fascists will". Honestly this might one of the few times I have ever said or thought this - David Frum was correct!
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/david-frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252/
1 or 2? You can purchase a new gun every 30 days in California, for instance, and there is no limit to how many you can own. What are you talking about? Vermont you can also own way more than that. Please name me a state that limits your total gun ownership to 1 or 2. I'm not anti-gun at all, but let's not create straw men.
So true. Centrist and left wing political parties will be voted out if they don't crack down on immigration. I am left wing, but if parties don't listen to the majority, they will get kicked out. Simples.
I'm from Australia and we are bringing so many people in, that we are making our housing crisis even worse. Importing people at the expense of making our own homeless. Countries should only bring in people that share our same views, have a sense of pride in being in said country and only bring them in when the infrastructure can support it.
The USA will be unrecognizable in 50 years thanks to mass immigration. When people find themselves living in gated communities with armed security, barbed wire and fencing around their houses, maybe then they will understand.
Look to South Africa or Brazil to see what security precautions people have to take to stay safe. That’s what’s in store for the USA and Europe.
We will have went from a nation that was once united, safe and an undisputed beacon freedom and prosperity in the world to just a typical third world favela. All thanks to mass immigration.
This. As much as I do want people to immigrate here and better their lives, we need to do it in a sustainable fashion that ensures assimilation, we also shouldn't be using American tax payer money to help people who illegally entered the country. 15 years ago this was the common held belief among the left, today you say this and you're called a fascist.
A simple study of the Roman Empire shows how unsustainable immigration can bring down an entire civilization, no matter how powerful.
It's not just about that. The left was in power for decades and its values were disconnected from reality. To run a country, you need to take it step by step. First, you address basic livelihood issues, like crime rates and essential living needs, so hard-working people can live decently. Next, you tackle more advanced problems, such as education and healthcare. Then, you ensure a stable job market. Finally, you focus on long-term goals like social justice, environmental issues, and minority rights.
While we've made progress through these steps, the whole system has aged and deteriorated over time. For the past decade, we've been stuck on the long-term goals, assuming we've already taken care of the basics. But the first three steps have become shaky. It's like building a castle in the air—no matter how beautifully you decorate it, if the foundation is weak, it's unsustainable. This approach puts at risk the essential elements many people rely on to survive. That's why more and more people are shifting to the right, seeking stability and solutions to the immediate issues we face.
Very very well said and spot on. I think it’s also very clear that the left, over the past 10 or so years, has been moving way too quickly on certain things and it’s driving people away. Progress takes time, and when you try to force progress on several different things, it pushes a lot of people the opposite direction. There’s nothing wrong with change, but it’s the way you go about it that matters. It’s just like the saying, “It’s not always what you say, but how you say it”. There’s so many things wrong in this country, and instead of focusing on those things and strengthening our own people, they focus on everything else while our people are falling like flies. I really like your foundation analogy, because that’s exactly right!
Don't forget the tech industry corruption that has been revealed over the last 8 years. People found out that there are only 9 major media companies in the US and only one of them Isn't owned directly by the DNC. Thus making us nearly impossible to get news that doesn't just flat out lie to make the right look bad. It's all literal propaganda.
The trend extends everywhere else too. The major news network of Canada, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, simped for Prime Minister Blackface because he was the candidate that promised to increase their budget the most.
Now look at Europe. They label anything even remotely conservative as "FAR right". Frances primary right wing party is winning the recent election big time because they imported 10% of the population from the middle east and you can watch videos of these people firing AK 47's into the air to chase people out of their homes so more migrants can move in. If you dare suggest sending them back then you are also a "far right" extremist.
There is absolutely a global leftist movement towards a globalized world that has been going on. The WEF being a mouth piece for it. This isn't a crazy conspiracy anymore but just truth. EVERY SINGLE LEADER, and I do mean 100% of them, that allies with this global movement is ruining the country they are in with these crazy policies.
I don't think it's just immigration.
Let's go through a little history:
1940s: Russia starts racing with the US for nuclear and space superiority. Spy games ensue, people in both countries are reasonably concerned about espionage and psyops.
1950s: McCartyism! Everyone who disagrees with us is a Communist! *You're* a Communist! *You're* a Communist! *You* might not be a Communist, but we'll bet you're Communist-sympathizing or Communist-adjacent! Report your neighbors! Take this pledge! Snitch on your own parents and childre - hey, where are you going?
1960s: A giant cultural movement around peace, love, personal freedom, and economic socialism springs out of a *massive* revolt against the excesses of McCarthyism and nationalistic 50s values
Or how about:
1970s: Hey, this whole hippie-dippie thing is getting out of hand. Flowers and stoners and music is fine - but for our whole *culture?* How about some old-fashioned work ethic, responsibility, and national pride?
1980s: Religious Right: "Hello there! We're the Moral Majority! Have you considered that every form of entertainment that you enjoy is probably both Satanic and Anti-American? We're here to help! Hey, where are you going?"
1990s: *Rebels*
So now we're onto:
2000s: Hey, isn't it weird that as far as we've come, we still see racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination in statistics? The Civil Rights movement was 40 years ago - when are we finally going to get to see results-
2010s: Social Justice Warriors / the Woke movement / #metoo / #gamergate / etc: "Hello there! We're the Right Side of History! Have you considered that every form of entertainment you enjoy is Bigoted and Problematic? We're here to help!"
2020s: "Hey, where are you going?"
...I think it might be cultural.
No, the hippie movement springs out of McCarthy being right, but not doing the job properly. So leftist professors infected the universities.
Everything went down hill from that point, it just took a while to gradually infect the rest of society.
The Soviets didn't lose the Cold War, they lost a battle because their crappy marxist culture finally collapsed their economy.
All they have to do now is to wait for their crappy leftist culture to collapse the West as well. And it will. It's already very weakened and it keeps weakening.
Think about it: the US is supposedly the most powerful country on Earth. Yet it lost pretty much every single war since WW2.
I’m more right aligned than before primarily because of culture issues. The left could win me back if they dropped the pro-trans and anti-white rhetoric.
Immigration is a big deal, but I disagree that the democrats are substantially more friendly to immigration. Biden’s bill was fine for it, and the right proved that they don’t actually care.
My understanding regarding the border bill was the fact that the republicans didn’t agree to the large amount of money being designated to Ukraine. They agreed to the bipartisan border bill, but they did not agree with the money aspect to Ukraine. I could be completely wrong, so please correct me if so, because I definitely haven’t dug too deep into it!
Nobody is running to the right, the left has simply moved so far left that everything else appears to have moved right. In 2016, Trump was milquetoast centrist. Now that centrism has turned into "far right wing extremism" according to the mockingbird media. And most people are gullible enough to believe it. It wasn't so long ago that the democrats were the party trying to limit immigration because those greedy Republicans didn't want to pay American workers a fair wage. That was the narrative most of my life.
I've seen every Republican president/presidential candidate in my life time (starting with Reagan) called an extremist and a fascist by those on the left. Then, when the next election comes around, they say "Hey, we didn't really mean it when we said it about the previous guy, but ***this guy*** really is a fascist!"
And, to be clear, I am not exaggerating. I saw them use the exact same playbook against Bush 2, Romney, McCain, and Trump
Donald Trump has been a famous capitalist longer than I've been alive, and I'm pushing 40. They expect me to believe Trump's last 40 years in public life were all part of a secret plot to win the presidency, then destroy the American government? So he can rule over the ashes? Are you fucking kidding me?
It's also always the most important election ever or else the world will end. At some point people stop listening to the boy who cried wolf. Hyperbole tires a lot of people out.
Agree. I take those political tests to see where you land every so often, and for me, it hasn't changed. I'm slightly left of center. But compared to everyone around me, I'm a hard right fascist. I dread to see how they'd view actual fascists, though, I'm a believer in the horseshoe theory, that they'd probably get along just fine.
Over the last 4 years of bidens presidency over 10 millions immigrants came over the border illegally you want to know how many were already here before his presidency 9 million. We doubled the number of illegal immigrants in the us in 4 years. That’s a crazy amount of people in a short amount of time and the citizens are suffering for it.
I’m being pushed right and could not care less about immigration. What did it for me was moving to a blue state and seeing how wholly ineffective their leadership and policies are. My city is overrun by homeless drug addicts and the dems do Jack shit about it. It’s like a drug addict utopia here.
They were smart enough to be right about the general idea, but not smart enough to realize leftism was infecting the education system and, as such, pretty much every institution, both at national and international level. And absolutely not smart enough to do anything about it. They're only somewhat starting now, at least in the US, but I'm not sure they still have time. I hope they do manage to turn things around, but I'm not sure.
I don't know about Canada, but here in the USA it's all about importing new Democrat voters. The Dems see it as the road to unending election victories, and they're not wrong about the results. Bring masses of people in from wherever, give them all sorts of free stuff, and they'll vote for more free stuff and never vote for the party that want to limit that free stuff.
Some optimists like to say "Look at Florida! They mass-imported Cubans by the literal boatload and now, a few generations later, many of those Cuban descendants are Conservatives."
We are allowing so many illegals in that once they get the "pathway to citizenship," they'll always vote for the free stuff. Sure, some small percentage may end up realizing how much taxes they're paying for other people to live on welfare and decide to vote Conservative, but it's so few that it won't matter.
And we're already hearing about the pathway to citizenship from lib politicians, so in 5 years, at this rate, Conservatives will never win another election.
This isn’t an unpopular opinion, it’s not even an opinion, it’s a fact that immigration policies is the number one driving force behind peoples voting these days.
Having this opinion even a year ago would be a bannable offense. It was absolutely an opinion you weren’t allowed to have until it simply got untenable recently.
I used to be left leaning most of my life.....but with the left being so dishonest about things such as supporting womens rights...but then allowing biological males in women spaces such as toilets and prisons and then those biological males abusing/hurting women when they are with them in those spaces which should be safe for women from men.....
Or biological males competing in female sports....go look up the male rugby union player in Cananda that was awarded one year for being one of the hardest hitting tacklers in the male competition to injury female oppoostion players from his tackles the following year because he identifies as a female....The guy is balding and is very stocky.....and doesnt even try to present as female....
The international Rugby Union governing body has already outlawed it but because Canada is number #1 in idiocracy their local governing bodies dont care.
As someone with a young daughter I dont want to have to see her being injured by a biological male.
Thats only a few issues but there are many where they claim to support something but their actions show otherwise and also the blatant lying about so many issues/topics/policies.
People have eyes and ears we arent stupid....u cant tell use the sky is red when its clearly blue....
It’s true. Global migration crisis is a thing & reactionary/nativist pushback is also global reaction to it. I think it’s unhelpful given how the 1930s worked out but people as a group have poor memories
You are probably right, although this is not the reason in my case. In the US I have not been directly affected by immigration because I’m in a very suburban area and have a job where I don’t interact with them.
My #1 reason for shifting from libertarian to republican is anger over how the democrat controlled state governments handled Covid policy.
I think to prevent culture shock, an afghani for instance would not come straight to Canada, but maybe go to India for a couple years, then Hungary then idk somewhere else. The idea is slower adjusting. If you rise up from the depths too fast you get the bends.
Yep, anyone with half a brain can understand this concept and see it through to its natural conclusion.
The left wants the problems that come with mass migration though, so they’ll gas light and try to shame you about it. Ignore them, they’re either evil, useful idiots, or both.
This is so misguided but also accurate. Yeah obviously having this many immigrants coming to Canada is fucking us over but not because they don’t want to assimilate into Canadian culture. It’s because there’s no infrastructure. Theres no housing, no jobs, no doctors and no one in charge cares because we need immigrants to do our shitty jobs for even less than we used to pay 10 years ago. We want wage slaves not assimilation. It’s far easier for companies like Tim Hortons and Walmart to steal from their employees when their employees are beholden to them for their PR and because they don’t know their rights and how things should work.
First post on this sub that I think I agree on. I'm a leftist and judge anyone who would not condemn the current Republican party's actions, but I do believe this wave of support comes from an inevitable realization that mass migration isn't sustainable without a very strong set of checks and balances. This, as well as the inflation following the pandemic, is the perfect combination to stir up anger, fear and desire for a change - no matter which. It is just disheartening to see to which extent people are willing to create narrative to cope with that decision.
I'm extremely concerned by what is unfolding in the USA. As a fellow Canadian I feel extremely anxious sharing a border with it. It feels like being in Poland prior to WW2.
I consider myself left leaning economically and moderate socially. I haven't ran to the right at all, but unfortunately to many liberals and progressives I sound very right wing even though my political views were pretty standard among the left back in the early 2010s. I stayed put while the rest of the left kept it pushing and now I've found myself agreeing with the Republicans more and more (I'll still never vote for them though).
The left chose to focus on fringe social ideological issues in order to keep up the facade of meaningful progress while pretty much abandoning truly progressive economic policy. To the modern left, opening the border to millions of illegal immigrants is somehow "progressive" even though these migrants come and work in slave-like conditions. And will likely never be able to afford a nice home or get a decent paying job. In what world is this progressive or liberal? They somehow used compassion to justify shitty working conditions and a sub-par quality of life lmao.
The left who said Joe Biden should be a 1 term president is the same left trying to gas-light the world into thinking he's cognitively fit to for run office AGAIN, and whatever beat down is coming for the democrats in November is 110% deserved. There's a real thirst for genuinely progressive economic policy in this country and the democrats and the establishment left refuse to tap into it. Instead they're more worried about which bathrooms someone can use and making sure we pretend that someone is the gender they're physically not. I could go on and on about how stupid the modern left has become, but I'll still never vote Republican.
My ideal candidate is someone with the same economic ideas as Bernie Sanders, the same social ideas as 2012 Obama, and the same foreign policy as Eisenhower. Who famously warned about America's growing military-industrial complex. Even I agree with Trump that NATO is a leech and American tax payers should NOT be footing the bill for complacent Europeans. To the modern left this is radical, but Obama back in his time in office was also urging the Europeans to start taking their defense seriously. It's like the parties have slowly started realigning.
I guess this might be true if you live in an area where it didn’t exist previously. Ironically it’s very similar to the much more left wing discussion about gentrification. There’s a lot to talk about here in terms of human tribalism and the why of this kind of immigration but that wasn’t the point of your post so I won’t dive into it. I mainly wanted to say from where I’m sitting it seems to have more to do with people getting tired of “woke” culture and having their speech policed by ignorant 20 year olds that don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. It’s why this pro-choice, pro universal healthcare, defund the police pinko commie liberal dirt bag is distancing himself.
Agreed
The mainstream parties have done fuck all. And not just with limiting immigration, but by refusing to actually DEPORT immigrants who break the law.
I am an immigrant myself, in Asia. If I broke the law here, I would be departed so quickly my feet wouldn't even touch the ground.
In Europe, there are endless cases of rapists and murderers and thieves and more being allowed to stay rather than deported.
It's baffling, as it would be a simple way to nip the far-right in the bud -- "if you break the law, you're gone" and they can't even manage that.
> In 2019, 25 percent of men and 21 percent of women voted for National Rally — in line with traditional patterns. This year, however, the poll found that 33 percent of women had voted for Le Pen’s far-right party, outpacing 30 percent of men. That’s a striking 12 percentage point increase from women voters over five years.
Why you may ask, is it women that are increasingly moving to the right?
Simple, in western countries (sans the US of course) women’s rights like abortion are settled issues so increasingly it’s right-wing parties *that are becoming defenders of women rights & safety*.
[In a video Bardella argued that his party supported advances for women’s rights, from medical support to protection for women suffering domestic abuse. He also said he’d deport “foreign delinquents and criminals” and introduce stricter sentences for violence against women. “No woman should ever have to fear going out into the streets of our country, whatever the time of day or night,” he said.](https://www.politico.eu/article/france-eu-elections-2024-women-vote-far-right-policy-emmanuel-macron-july-7/)
I don’t even think your opinion is that unpopular anymore. I think the unpopular opinion is the left is no longer the defender of women’s rights in western democracies (again, sans USA).
Immigration has its place. It's just that there's a ton of immigration without vetting, without a port of entry, without proper asylum seeking. I work with the full gambit of people in my job, and I couldn't care less. However, there are laws that need to be followed when it comes to immigration. You can be compassionate without being stupid about it.
I totally understand the frustrations about immigrants who refuse to assimilate, but it's also unfortunate because there are also people who do want to. I'm currently attending a university in Canada as an international student from the U.S. with the hopes of obtaining a citizenship. I'm already embracing Canadian culture and want to become a part of it—but because of the bad reputation that immigrants have made for themselves, Canadians are becoming more opposed to them.
I honestly don’t think much will change even if Trump is elected. Wealthy people love low wage labor. And Americans love shit for cheap. And no American is raising their kids to take low wage work or is willing to take low wage work themselves. I cant speak for anywhere else but here in America, people are complaining that “no one wants to work anymore”-well there’s a solution. There’s always been an immigration “problem” in this country.
I really don't think the right are going to deliver on their promises regarding immigration, I do not think anyone one in the modern day has the will to really do what is necessary to fix the issue. The entire west will be Haiti.
Agreed. BREXIT happened for one reason and one reason only: migrant panic brought on by the "Migrant Crisis", itself caused by Syrian refugees fleeing Bashar's regime (as orchestrated by Putin). It almost worked in France too, it's just taken another 8 years.
I think it’s a big danger of our system that people who fundamentally don’t agree with western values are coming in at such high rates. However, I think jumping to supporting far right politics as a reaction is likely more dangerous. Implementing third world style politics and government as a response to too many people coming from the third world is illogical and a recipe for disaster.
Another concern is that our systems are built on immigration. We can’t survive without it. Our entire economic system is built around it. You want social security? You’re going to need immigrants to come in continuously to pay for it. You want a strong military? Well the pentagon reported that 77% of young Americans are not healthy enough to qualify for the military, so we’re going to need immigrants to come and fill these slots. I think we’ve pigeonholed ourselves into a sticky situation by progressing socially faster than the rest of the world. I support this social progress because it promotes and protects liberty and freedom. But when you have millions of people coming in who don’t share these values, and millions of people already in the country who were left out of this social progress and are more in line value wise with the third world immigrants, it doesn’t leave a whole lot of room for us to continue the social progress or ensure it lasts into future generations.
I will however point out a saving grace, and that’s that by and large, first generation Americans are very assimilated and in line with western values. It doesn’t mean the original immigrants will be able to get on board, but look how many first generation Americans we have here that are passionate about things that are simply not cared about by the vast majority of people in the countries their parents came from. Issues such as women’s rights, gay rights, racism, police brutality. It gives me hope for the future, because even if most of the immigrants can’t fully assimilate to our values, their children are, and that will insure our trajectory into the future. But it’s definitely a flaw of our system that we believe in freedom so much that we can allow in too many people with fundamental differences in a short period of time. People need to understand that they aren’t just coming here to make money. The promises of western civilization and values goes far beyond that, and they need to be on board with that if they want to be here. It’s already bad enough that we have to deal with millions of people who have been here for generations who aren’t on board with our values and want us to operate more like a third world country
Yes. It is the number one reason. But the number one reason for deterioration of those societies is not immigration. It's not even top ten.
It's privatization of national assets, excessive lending, (proxy)wars that ruin those countries' stances in the international community, mismanaged economies in general and more of such things.
Immigrants would drastically be less if we didn't go and bomb their countries back into the dark ages, so that's also a bit of accountability we must take.
The UK is a mess on this. The right wing voted to slash spending on border security and immigration staff and drop out of all immigration control treaties. Now it is such a big issue that centrist parties like Labour are campaigning on it.
Canadian here, feeling this. If you look back in history, the only time where more ‘strong ideologies’ come into light, is when things go south in the economy. People tend to uphold nationalism in such times, meaning leaning to the right for example.
Same as all fascist regimes.
At which point is immigration policy left winged? Isn't the argument usually that immigrants are like, low cost wage for hard labour, which sounds a lot more like an economic argument, therefore right leaning?
I mean, that's the way it's presented generally speaking. At least in Europe.
Not just that, but as a black man that is also a part of the alphabet community, I've grown tired of the left constantly trying to sell me victimhood and oppression. Watching a bunch of people constantly pandering, assuming that I'm somehow "lesser than" and need things handed to me simply because of my skin color (on top of them not realizing how racist that actually is) did not sit right with me in the slightest.
I'm also not a fan of how increasingly hyperbolic they have gotten, relying on gaslighting, fearmongering, and downright lies to get people to fall in line. They've become the very thing they hate about right-wingers.
Hell yeah! Too many people coming in and getting treated well in the big cities. They’re living the life, hotels in the nice parts of the cities, feee food, allowance, road to citizenship, and they DON’T HAVE TO WORK! Woo-hoo! 🙌
Meanwhile the U.S govt has completely neglected the homeless citizens, the army veterans, and the millions of immigrants who pay taxes and contribute to the economy.
no its because the left wants to put trans drag queens in schools for story hour.
I bailed on the left and am pulling my kids from public schools because of this shit
This combined with no real progress being made on social programs/economic policies is pushing a lot of people to simply not believe the politicians claiming to be on the left in the west are actually on the left and are believing more and more that passing real left wing policy isn't even possible. In the US, Biden hasn't even raised the minimum wage, let alone fulfilled his bigger promises like a public healthcare option.
Instead, the democrats have decided attacking Trump and Republicans from the right is somehow the winning strategy and far more important than actually passing things to help poor people. It's to the point where I know fairly left wing people who genuinely believe the democrats have veered right on criminal justice, because of their "nobody is above the law" rhetoric and attack of Trump as a "convicted felon" based on a non-violent misdemeanor. It doesn't help that Trump actually passed criminal justice reform either.
Don't use left or right wing they're stupid terms that don't represent political nuance well. I disagree with uncontrolled immigration yet by all other accounts I'm a lefty
I think an equally strong reason is that people feel like they're being gaslighted by politicians. It's one thing to see chaos happening, and it's another thing completely to be told that it's perfectly normal and you're a bad person for even questioning it.
It’s even worse in Britain. Most of the time they do gaslight us into thinking mass immigration is a good thing, how dare you question it you racist! Some of the time, like right now, in the run up to an election they will make all of noise about immigration being too high and how we’re going to control it, bring it down to the low tens of thousands. Lies upon lies.
Ya both about immigration and the economy
I had an argument with a friend once about banning of nativity plays in school and the cancellation of the term “Merry Christmas” as opposed to “Happy Holidays” and he genuinely felt like we should stop these things in order to make foreigners feel more comfortable in the west. Why is it that people can come here and we have to change our culture and customs in order to make them feel more at home? When I go to a foreign country I am a foreigner and I respect that. When in Rome you do as the Romans do
I honestly think a lot of Western countries have a strong guilt complex. That guilt complex was likely magnified after WW2 and Hitler's embracing of Aryan superiority. Tons of Westerners are afraid of seeming like Nazis, and they're overcompensating so much that they're losing control of their societies. That's my theory at least. A lot of modern "equality/equity" ideas came after the 1940s, but it's gotten to the point of absurdity. Why allow your country to change it's identity over a tiny minority? I say this as a minority in America. People need to find the balance of being themselves while being kind to others. The West is being destroyed by suicidal tendencies. It's so bad right now that if you even question the narrative, you're immediately called a Nazi or fascist.
Yeah I completely agree. Westerners are the ones being offended on behalf of people from other countries! White saviour complex
Canadian here... Absofuckinglutely.
Canada is royally fucked and sadly the people who immigrate there game the system and have no desire to assimilate into the culture. In 20 years at this point it’ll become overrun by a certain ethnic group. The reality is that temporary visas can stay but the ability to seek permanent residency has to be on halt to allow countries the ability to grow its population.
Yes. Went to a rural library today outside major Canadian city. There were a dozen Indian children running and screaming all through the library. Running, hiding, screeching, playing hide and seek in the bathrooms etc. Indian mothers did nothing. It was so loud. Playground loud. I had my four kids with me and never would allow that behaviour!! Looked over at the city library staff… Indians. Okay. Must be a cultural thing, does India not have public libraries????
I think the conservatives are definitely working the immigration angle, but I doubt they’ll actually deliver what they’re promising (or what people are expecting) Call me jaded, but I think they’ll make some mostly symbolic changes, but will generally pick the status quo. I do wonder if the PPC will get some seats in the next election…
Nothing will change. Absolutely nothing
The NDP might lose a couple of seats and maybe that will trigger Jagmeet to eventually step down, and having a new leader (Eby?) that might give the federal NDP the kick in the ass they need to be more relevant again? (Wishful thinking and wild ass guesses are getting mixed here)
I’m pretty certain the cons are completely onboard with all of the immigration. Unless my information is out of date, last I checked their party had zero plans to actually reduce immigration. Feel free to correct me here but the immigration supports their overlords as much as the liberals.
Poilievre has been saying he’ll tie immigration to housing, or that he will restrict immigration to less than 50% of its current levels. I think he will axe some refugee programs programs, and _maybe_ cut down on the federal paths to PR, but I agree with you that most likely, overall immigration levels will stay the same. Now that I think about it, there might be some “horn” effect from a conservative government too, that fewer people decide to immigrate here because they start seeing Canada as unwelcoming and instead move somewhere else or stay put, but I’m just speculating here.
Conservatives and right wingers absolutely love immigrants. Suppresses wages, pushes up housing and rent prices, increases GDP. Why would they not want more immigration?
I've been absolutely assured by everyone that importing cheap labor does not suppress wages /s
Are there really that many employers as a voting bloc? Money they have, but how does that translate to votes? Will conservative donors give to left wing candidates?
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I don't know how unpopular this opinion really is, even as someone on the left I absolutely agree with you. I think this is also a result of the left feeling like they need to run to the extremes and leaving a lot of us who used to be left feeling more like the middle. There's such a thing as responsible immigration but in order to show how "not right wing" they are, the left has gone completely mental with their positions on this and many other issues. Rampant, unchecked illegal immigration is unsustainable economically. Also, the refusal to assimilate creates a large and growing population of "others", which only leads to more resentment and greater enmity toward illegals. A lot of places here in the US barely have the infrastructure to support the population they have, it's just not possible to continuously bring in and support more. National and right wing movements are gaining traction because people feel forgotten in their own country. Left wing governments are too busy trying to appeal to outsiders and show how virtuous they are, they're starting to forget their own people at home. The result will be what we're already starting to see, a rise in support for the right throughout the western world.
To be fair, this "Assimilation" thing has only been a fairly recent thing in our nation's history. - California has always had hispanic only speaking communities since it's state's inception, it's not illegal immigration that has made it more prevalent, but their growing population. With that said, there ARE a lot of illegal immigration that has added to this problem. But my neighbors who live in the apartment next to me have had a family who's been in the US since before CA was the US, and they have members that have never learned english; they're from Calexico, initially, and their family can be traced back to the rancheros out that way in the desert. - Germanic communities, swiss communities, Irish communities, Italian communities, Chines and japanese communities have historically always been present. - Holtville, CA, was almost entirely populated by swiss immigrants, and still hosts a lot of swiss culture and the swiss club of the imperial valley. My great grandma(Paternal) only learned how to speak english fluantly in her 80's, and she had moved there when she immigrated in the 1910's. - Many german only speaking communities in the midwest, such as Pleasantdale Nebraska(Which is still a very small community) used to exclusively have families that never spoke english and only spoke German up until WW2, with many of these people being 4+ Generations borne in the US. My great grandfather(maternal) is buried there, and never learned english, and his family line can date back all the way to the Pilgrims(A marriage of someone who used to speak english into a US german only speaking community and their kids learning only german). The community up until the reflex against germans did not "Integrate" with major US Society, and this was echoed all OVER the midwest, with many of these old german pockets only taking steps to be "American" because they didn't want to be discriminated against or considered Nazi germans. - Terminal Island in Los Angeles used to be a Japanese speaking community that still lived like they did in japan, and were a primarily fishing only village. They were forcefully evicted from their homes and moved to concentration camps in the deserts of CA, and their land was perminently taken by the state to make a harbor. They never got paid for what they had initially owned. Sure, they assimilated after that, because they HAD to, just as the Germans did, especially after WW2. There are many other examples like that, we even glorify many parts of traditional, non-integrated pockets of cultures, often calling them X-towns or Little-x, like chinatown or Little Italy, etc. Swiss pockets have been called "Swiss Villages" which is kinda funny IMO. We've always been a melting pot, but we are stretching at the seams, and communities that used to not be integrated have been pushed into eachother, and this has created an issue where what was always something seems more prevalent than it was. Many of us in the US are only 2-3 generations "Fluent" in english and "assimilated", and we've lost track of that, but we're still weird and "proud" of what we are, and tell people we're "Irish-American" or "German-American" or "Swiss-American". We didn't make those steps to integrate, it was our forebearers, and often it was a war that forced integration, especially for Italians, Spaniards(from spain), Germans, and Japanese. Like the California hispanic speaking communities moving from places like El Centro into San Diego county in the 2K's as they gained more purchasing power and settled in former english-only places, making bilingual signage in once English only stores pop up. This, and blatant cultural prejudice, and lack of knowledge of indigenous, and precursor peoples in the land we're in, or even of cultures within our own states that aren't the same as our own is definitely causing a backlash. When I used to live in Santee, east county San Diego, I've seen people yell at native americans of the Viejas tribe, and other tribes who have reservations around the city as if they're hispanic people, just a lot of ignorance around skin color happens when it comes to the immigration issue currently. They even overlook some of it from those who have skin colors that they share, and try to lump all the issues on those with darker skin. No one bats an eye if they say their grandma only speaks Italian, or Russian, or ... any other European language basically, but if that's "Spanish" or some asian/middle eastern language instead, suddenly they're not "integrating". It's like... the Amish, in a way. They're nothing new to people in the East, but if they randomly popped up in CA somewhere, started buying up land, affecting the flow of traffic on the roads, new signage started appearing to account for their ways of travel, and many of the stores started catering to them specifically, it'd raise a lot of brows, and cause a bit of unnecessary and irrelevant anger. I view the cause of this, though, as a failure of education in teaching about a state's subcultures and different communities. I guess, as someone with deep connections to the area around Holtville, and specifically my swiss heritage, we always made trips down to El Centro and the Imperial Valley. It's always been super high populated with Hispanic people, and more than often you were hearing spanish spoken there even well before our current "Immigration crisis". I remember my dad taking me to a restauraunt there he claimed served the best "Chili Colorado" when I was 8 or 9 in the 80's, and no one else there was speaking english. I had to point to what I wanted on the menu because the server didn't speak english either, and their menu even then was pictures and not just words. Not everyone grows up with that kind of exposure, though, but change is always hard, even for the most well-adjusted and exposed person.
The left is fucking dumb for automatically taking the polar opposite side of anything they deem to be "right wing" and immediately demonizing whatever the "right" believe with their go-to label - "racist." Like, I'm pretty fucking liberal, but I can see that letting people stream across the border isn't good. And if that's not what's happening, it's still a legitimate concern, so maybe a friendly "I understand your fears but..." instead of "You fucking racist! You fucking Nazi!" You're gift wrapping votes for the Republican party when you do that.
The left powers itself on class warfare. They are simply importing their next generation of poor and needy supporters.
Not really, the poorest whites in the nation (which outnumber poor immigrants) lean far more Republican. The Democratic party is actually becoming more the party of upper-middle class people, especially women. The "real left" (which means Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein, Cornel West, etc) is very different from the establishment liberal Democrats. I don't consider people like Hillary Clinton, Biden, Schumer, Pelosi to be "left" because they all hate poor people and love wealth inequality; instead, I consider them "liberal" not "left".
Classes have shifted from economic to indentitarian. The poorest *whites* vote very differently from the poorest immigrants. Race, as part of identity, means they can import voters.
I totally agree. The left really know how to make enemies of the average person. They need to cut it out.
They will demonize someone who agrees with 90% of things they agree with, all because of the remaining 10%, and then they wonder why they keep pushing people to the right. JK Rowling and Joe Rogan are left-leaning and there's no doubt about that to anyone who has actually heard them talk. But since they disagreed with the left on one or two hot button topics, they're treated as pariahs and the right has had no problems accepting them as their own (even if they clearly aren't right-leaning). This hold true with almost everyone. I can bet you right now, if you take an icon of the left who embodies everything that the left stands for (idc who, choose anyone), and they come out tomorrow as supporting Israel or something else that goes against the party line, they wouldnt hesistant to devour them and label them a traitor.
That's exactly it. I was demonised by an entire leftist music scene just because I don't agree with Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Which is a VERY NORMAL view to have. But so many leftists have become tankies, I was seen as the enemy. It was crazy to see people in their late 20s and 30s bully me online and in public. The only people who weren't afraid to comfort me during that time (others were scared of being cancelled by association) were centrists and right wingers. They didn't care AND they also didn't care that I will always be a leftist despite what happened to me.
I think this factionalism will eventually doom the Democrat party. I wonder how long so many opposed forces can exist under one tent.
There's some evidence that bits of it are starting to unravel, maybe. See pro-palestine protests vs pride parades.
That's been really hilarious to watch.
Pretty much the vile "spit in the face of those who disagree with you with no chance of redemption" is why I left the left. The cracks were forming after Charlottesville when the "punch a Nazi" thing was said a lot. I was thinking... Wait... You called Mitt Romney a Nazi. Mitt motherfucking Romney. You call everyone who disagrees with you a Nazi. Looks like you just want to punch anyone you disagree with. Suddenly saw "my side" as violent minded and hate filled. I remember where I was when I "woke" up. Then the "good people on both sides" lie happened and I finally took my friend up on actually listening to some conservative voices. So much more peaceful stepping across the aisle not having to worry about proving that I'm more liberal or "woke" than you. One of the books that I've read recently that really explains why people are leaving the left is "Morning after the Revolution". She was a journalist for the New York times deep in the progressive circle and her experience of going from someone thrilled to be in the cancel mob to suddenly waking up to realize it's become a cult is similar to what I experienced, though on a much, much, much bigger scale.
Yea I've been called a Nazi 20 fucking times for bringing up the fact that the left would rather focus on lgbtq and BLM then things that actually affect everyday lives. Like the economy immigration or healthcare I'm not saying lgbtq or BLM doesn't matter it's just that why focus all your political strength on that when people are dirt poor and borders are virtually non-existent
I don't even think the LGBTQ represents the average, everyday lgbtq member. My sister has been in a lesbian relationship for a few years and whenever I bring up some online LGBTQ shit, neither she nor her girlfriend knows what the fuck I'm talking about.
Your sister is what I think of when I think of a gay/lesbian An everyday person who just has different preferences I advocate for EQUAL rights and "let them live their lives" I think making it legal was all that was needed But having it taught kids like it's this very special distinct preference is wrong. If they can't understand long divisions then they can't understand lgbtq let alone transition or come out
The example I'm thinking of is that I go to a super progressive climbing gym. So one day I see this poster hanging up: https://i.imgur.com/N8MCw7N.png And I'm like "what the fuck?" Clearly there's some innuendo there. And the gym is a family environment. They have a kids team, kids birthday parties, kids running around. I'm not a prude, but I just can't imagine heterosexual innuendo being appropriate on posters hanging up in the gym, think "Come get 69ed (free minutes of climbing) [not that 69 is inherently heterosexual, but you get my meaning]." Right? Like, that would just never fly. So, I asked my sister and her girlfriend what they thought about it, and they didn't even know what "topped" meant, nor had they ever even heard about drag story hour. But, yeah, they thought the poster was weird as fuck.
THATS EXACTLY THE POINT ALL THESE "TRANSPHOBIC" CONSERVATIVE HAVE BEEN MAKING Like I get that lgbtq folk are persecuted and stuff BUT INCLUDING SEXUAL IMAGRY AND INNUENDO ESPECIALLY IN FAMILY AND CHILD AREAS IS FUCKING GROSS
And even "scouts" is associated with children, and so are stuffed animals. And it's like, if it were just "queer scouts," okay, but no sooner have I even heard of "queer scouts" than I'm confronted with references to sodomy. The thing that bothers me about it isn't even the sexualization. It's that they do it then claim it's not happening, that all they want is equality.
EXACTLY What the luck happened to "let us live our live" Now the movement is "use my pronouns or go to jail"
Yeah well conservatives seem to get a lot more pissed off when brown people are the ones immigrating... And you’ve got people like Trump calling illegal immigrants rapists and killers, when the fact is the vast majority of them are just desperate people looking for a way to support their families, or escaping unimaginable situations. The real kicker is that the people complaining the loudest about it seem to ignore the bigger question , which is WHY are all of these people desperate enough to leave their homes and loved ones? In the case of the USA, it’s because our government played a pivotal role in destabilizing and fucking these countries over in the not so recent past. Check out what we did in Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua and so many others. I can only speak for the USA, but this country would not function without immigrants. What happened to “give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses?” I live in a region with many undocumented people, and they work harder and are more honest than most true-blue US citizens. They don’t want to be here either, in many cases. The sacrifices these people make are astounding. They’re the ones who truly embody the American Dream, not the hateful people who call for their deportation while also hiring them to clean their house or mow their lawn. The hypocrisy is crazy.
"The left is fucking dumb" thats all you needed to say lol
And also the fact that everything is fucking expensive. People are starting to think conservative economic policy may fix inflation. Not sure whether it actually will or not, but nobody likes spending $100 every time they step outside of their house. And the democrats are flat out denying that it's real. They are touting this great economy under biden, meanwhile nobody can buy a home, and everything from groceries, to restaurants, to entertainment has ballooned in price ever since biden was elected.
As a British chiming in here After 14 years of conservative leadership They certainly done jack fucking shit to fix this It's not like labour is any better Hopefully the smaller parties can get enough constituencies to at least influence policy particularly the lib dems
This is Canada not the UK bro
I know but the smell logic applies here too I'm 2 years away from voting and i hope the government that we elect won't fuck shit up
As I don’t follow British politics much, I’m curious as to how “conservative” politics/policies is the same or different in the US vs. Britain. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
Yeah, you definitely need to learn a little bit about basic civics.
It’s important for a country to accept immigrants that want to be a part of that country and its values. The immigrants that want to come here to just work and send money home can stay home imo. They often don’t value the same ideals, don’t assimilate at all, and sometimes hate their host-country.
Seasonal migrant workers are ok if they come legally and leave. The problem is when they’re illegal and need benefits when the work dries up and they don’t leave
I once saw a part of a documentary where Moroccan women who had never even left Morocco had a husband that once worked in the Netherlands (my country). After they passed away, apparently those women had the right to get a unemployment benefit for life from the Netherlands while living in Morocco because they were married to them. Even if the marriage lasted only like 2 years before the husband died. And it was like 3x the average wage of normal Moroccans. Absolutely unfair.
If he signed an employment contract saying his spouse is owed that amount, she has every right to pursue it citizen or not
If a man dies after only working 2 years in the netherlands while their spouses live outside of the country, they should not be owed life long benefits. At the very max, for the next 2 years or so if the husband worked for that long.
If her husband was legally working or was a citizen of the Netherlands how is it unfair that his spouse gets a benefit that was agreed upon as part of his employment?
They are commenting on the policy, not the application thereof. There should not be a government policy which grants foreign nationals free money for life if their spouse works in the Netherlands for two years. That’s absurdly bad financial management and a huge breach of the social contract.
Documentary name? Would love to watcg
I've searched for a while and it seems like i found the video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWY-HT6P2Yk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWY-HT6P2Yk) Though i believe it actually may have been a piece of the news instead of documentary. Basically what happened back then is that the Dutch government decided to actually look at local living prices and adjust benefits to that. In the video women whose husband had worked in the Netherlands but had already passed away are still receiving benefits. And in one case it seems like much much more than the average wage in Morocco. First woman you see was married to her husband when she was 15 in Morocco and died when she was 17. She received benefits of 1400 euro a month from the Dutch government despite never having lived there nor having a Dutch passport, which was shortened to 835 euro a month because of the adjustment. That is still way higher than the national minimum wage of Morocco back then in 2013. In the video we also get a tour of the house this woman lives in. Looks twice as big as an average house in the Netherlands. You should read the comments as well. Pretty interesting.
This is wrong why?
>It’s important for a country to accept immigrants that want to be a part of that country and its values. Why?
Because when you join a group you should want to be a part of that group. You wouldn’t join a book club and then just bitch about having to read and how much you hate books. You don’t just go to book club meetings to eat the snacks and use the AC; and if you do then you shouldn’t be voicing your opinions on your hatred of reading.
I didn't mean *only* those immigrants, I meant *even*.
I’m confused on what youre trying to say
Why is it important to accept *any* immigrants?
I mean I guess from an economic standpoint it’s important if the population needs more people to grow/replace the elderly. There’s the idea that people don’t ‘choose’ where they are born so if they fit in better with the ideas and values of another nation they would be happier there. You’ve asked a very good and hard to answer question. In my personal opinion I love immigrants and think they bring a lot of value to the US in terms of culture, food, different ways of looking at things. I find most of them, the vast majority, are very happy to be Americans and while the country has a lot of problems, they’re here to live and work and be respectful of others. If someone is happier to be my neighbor, and is a good neighbor, then I’m happy to have them in my neighborhood
As long as it's done properly, the better question to ask is why you'd be against it.
Every nation has border laws and should enforce them. There's no exception for 1st world countries, USA, and white nations. If people want to come in, they need to do it through a legal process. This ain't rocket science. We can't let people in just because they can tell a sob story and are already knocking at the door. It's not even tangentially related to racism, all it does is allow more human trafficking, increase crime, compromise national security, and enable the flow of illegal drugs and fentanyl. Hell, a lot of them have been deported multiple times and they just keep trying until they get in because there's no punishment for being caught. And it just makes shit harder for people trying to legally get in. Sanctuary cities, de-funding ICE, and uncontrolled immigration are nonsensical. Call 'em undocumented immigrants if you want, they're still illegal immigrants and this type of behavior shouldn't be encouraged. You want people who take defense into their own hands by being armed and supporting 2A and support people who can put their foot down like Trump? Because that's how you end up with a rightward swing.
“They need to do it through a legal process” but also “we can’t let people in just because they can tell a sob story and are already knocking at the door.” But, seeking asylum IS a legal process. Telling a “sob story” IS how you apply for asylum. Showing up at the board IS what you have to do to apply for asylum. I completely agree that immigration is a disaster right now and something needs to be done. But it doesn’t make sense when people say “just do it the legal way” because this IS a legal way and has been for a very long time.
The asylum process is so loose that it equates to open borders. Hence the hordes of people that have flooded the border over the past several years.
Last time I checked, most people coming in ain't even attempting to apply for asylum. Then when they are told to go back, the sob stories come and the bleeding hearts come out to say how evil ICE is. Particularly, the southern border is so bad that there's a legal presumption that they aren't doing it for asylum and they have to overcome that.
Oh, we have a lot of experience with this shit on Hispanic countries. Those of us who live in a banana republic (yes, even Spain is a banana republic at this point) know very well governments really benefit from a more brutish population, it's easier to control with their cheap socialist ideology. Y'all are just experiencing this for the first time. If you believe that Venezuela can't happen again on your country, think again. So we used to think in Spain. And a lot of fault lies on the society itself, who let itself be fooled with the siren chants of the left.
Populism is indeed a very dangerous thing. If a politician can manipulate a large demographic to vote for them it becomes quite easy to gain power. Erdogan of course is a great example, and another I heard of was an African nation where the president promised shoes for everyone.
The lockdowns also had a strong influence on this phenomenon
I had this exact thought today— I feel like the collective “we” is still recovering from spending months inside of our homes in absolutely paranoid states as we Clorox-wiped everything down so our older relatives would be safe. Also, it’s mind-boggling that governments all over the world don’t realize that any scraps of remaining goodwill or crumbs of trust that their civilians had in them is **LONG GONE.** It makes me sad because I really adore the concept wholesome communities surrounded by wholesome and decent people. The incompetence and indifference shamelessly displayed by our governments and our society’s celebrities and elites during the Pandemic bothers me to this day.
I could be considered woke before the pandemic, now i want nothing to with those people, they've showed me who they are
Absolutely. It is not even that people have anything against immigration. But is mostly it is uncontrolled mass immigration. There are clearly problems to be worked on BEFORE we allow more immigration...but the government just doesn't want to do that, let them all in,, fix the problems later. But that's not how it sould happen. And I do feel very sorry for all the immigrants that just want a better life and get thrown into the same pool with the people that cause the problems over here. But what can you do... You just can't support foreigners coming to your country financially, if your own people live in poverty once they retire etc. You can't allow immigration if you don't send back criminals. You can't allow immigration if you promise qualified workers but then either invite absolutely unqualified people that don't even speak English let alone the native language or actually invite people with skills but then not allow them to work. Can't allow foreign families if you can't get the family clan scene under control. (Speaking about Germany in all of this btw) I think we have a duty to help the less fortunate. And I also believe being pushed out of a vagina in a random place on earth should not be a marker for where you can and cannot live in the future. But you also can't just come into another culture and expect to get help. And many immigrants don't do that, the are hard working and very thankful for what they receive. The problem is that we don't trow out the ungrateful ones, the ones that leach of the system or commit crimes. We have enough problem people of our own kind who we are responsible for as a society, we don't need any more.
Thanks for putting all that into words, felt the same sentiment for a while now and I've tried to talk to my lefty friends about it and their default programmed response to any questions regarding immigration gets you hit with the "actual Nazi" bullshit line of thinking. The left, the supposed champion of the poor and downtrodden, are losing the American inner city poor and downtrodden as they do more to help illegal immigrants than their own citizens. It's pathetic, immoral, and disgusting. These citizens continue to struggle despite all sorts of promises and now see illegals getting better housing, care, and benefits than they could dream of. And oh yeah, some are coming from countries that think rape is acceptable and women are less than second class citizens and our catch and release programs will suit them just fine. Extrapolate this out for another 4 years if Biden or someone with an equally ridiculous open door policy is in office and guess where it goes next - to the suburbs these lefty social justice warriors live. I'm afraid for them questioning these immigration policies will only be OK to do once it's already too late. Side note, these are the same people who also think they should have a say in how any of us protect ourselves and our families. Lunacy.
The left is so out of touch with all of this. A prominent area here in downtown Toronto just voted conservative after being a liberal stronghold for decades. It's unprecedented, and the support for conservatives is just continuing to grow rapidly. Yet all the terminally online people here just think "Am I out of touch? No, it must be the majority of the population who are just turning into alt-right Nazis"
As a lgbt person I couldn't agree more. Why do I want a bunch of people who think gay people should get stoned or die or go to hell should be allowed to flood into the country!?
Exactly. Immigrants are fine if the current population is taken care of and supported. But right now they are not. Why should I want immigrants legal or illegal if they are taking jobs and housing from people born here that are being neglected.
47% of Toronto are immigrants, and most of them are just from the past 20 years. You cannot assimilate that large of a percentage that come that quickly. Because even if you respected a culture, and were the sole immigrant, it still takes time to learn the nuances. Often, it's the next generation which assimilates. The problem here is that the majority culture for these areas will most likely not be Canadian come that next generation when they come of age.
Holy fucking shit that last line is basically all of reddit
Correct. White liberals will only learn the hard way.
Nah usually they double down and don't learn. Also project and blame Russia/China.
The Texas & Florida shipping of illegal aliens to the rich NIMBY enclaves of the north has brought about a fairly substantial shift in opinion of them. That's part of the problem, is that these liberals often don't have to deal with the consequences of their policies. But once you force them into their backyards, they will change.
Almost like they think they should be above it.
Yeah. Texas and Florida’s immigrant tactics were pretty crazy but they are proving the point which you made.
What's wrong with being white?
Nothing at all. Just pointing out that white liberals are the most naive people on earth. They won’t realize how wrong they are until it’s too late. ⏰
They have been brainwashed into white guilt. That won't be fixed unless you fix the educational system.
They think the immigrants will help the economy (re: be more productive workers for businesses) more than citizens who have been poor their entire lives in the US. They're probably right. Doesn't make it moral though.
Yeah, maybe more productive, certainly for less money, which I suppose helps the corporations and the politicians who they support.
I’m probably considered a communist for this subreddit’s standards, but I think you’re onto something. I’d also add that the left has dropped the ball on pro-labour/workers to a certain extent, and that vacuum has been picked up by conservatives and right wing parties.
The left is rapidly shifting from (or involuntarily losing) the working class. They are the new Rockefeller Republicans living in their Newport mansions and Manhattan towers. The image of the rich man used to be Republican, but more and more the farmer and factory worker are being identified as the Republicans.
This is why Biden is going to lose in November.
Canada is an absolute joke country nowadays. If your name was Canadistan people would be talking about the infringements on women's basic rights and the Orwellian, put ppl in jail who disagree with us, or worse, put ppl in jail who don't use the "right" pronoun, or worse, put parents in jail for saying get leave my autistic kid alone she doesn't need her breasts removed draconian laws. Don't worry Ireland, Scotland, Australia all do the same. You know who else votes right. All the legal immigrants who see this happening and think it's bonkers and insulting to those who came to contribute and be part of the society.
Oh yeah, I'm south Asian and this new wave of immigrants are not it. Most of them don't integrate and can hardly speak English. Half the time I have to speak in Hindi/Punjabi , I thought passing an English exam was a requirement to come here.
Its the west Indian confederation now
The open border is so in your face, it’s like they’re daring you to react.
I'm working on bringing my wife and kids to the US from Mexico and it infuriates us that people can just flock across the border while we're in the middle of a nearly two-year process to do everything legally. We want to be together here in the States, work, and raise our family, but we're being cuckolded by the government and paying fee after fee after fee while Miguel from Nicaragua hops across without an issue and gets food, water, and transportation inland.
Thank you for doing things the right way, I pray that it pays off.
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I'm gonna do the same and leave CanadaStan
I am Canadian and every word of this post is 100% accurate. Our once prosperous nation is now a dumpster fire, breaks my heart to see
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People want to preserve their culture and heritage. Politicians who aren't neighbours to these new arrivals want to open the doors to so many people. The Refugee Convention agreements create a meat market for criminals to move bodies from the worst places in the world to the best places. Every nation needs to withdraw from that agreement and close this human trafficking market that is creating these mass migrations. The sooner it happens the bettwr for the globe. If you think I'm crazy 30k people signed a petition to end this agreement in the UK. The government of courae rejected it.
I'm not sure it's running to the right, as a left leaning voter in the early 2000s to mid 2010s, the entire Democratic political party has completely shifted their stance to the most radical version of the subject, and I suddenly found myself in the middle. I remember, "Safe, Legal and Rare," being the Democrat position for abortions, now its very much 6ish or more months for any reason. I remember the position on Gun Control for Democrats was to take them out of the hands of Felons, now its only 1 or 2 per law abiding citizen household. Social programs to financially aid veterans, or those who fell down on their luck, and they had 2 years of benefits before they needed to show improvement, now you can work at a coffee shop for 8 hrs a week forever sucking off the teet of taxpayers. The tent poles have shifted, and 40% or more of this country found themselves in the category of moderate. Thats why there are now more independent voters than a major party.
100%. I remembered reading this article when it came out and just found it again. David Frum's title is "enforce the borders or the fascists will". Honestly this might one of the few times I have ever said or thought this - David Frum was correct! https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/david-frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252/
1 or 2? You can purchase a new gun every 30 days in California, for instance, and there is no limit to how many you can own. What are you talking about? Vermont you can also own way more than that. Please name me a state that limits your total gun ownership to 1 or 2. I'm not anti-gun at all, but let's not create straw men.
So true. Centrist and left wing political parties will be voted out if they don't crack down on immigration. I am left wing, but if parties don't listen to the majority, they will get kicked out. Simples. I'm from Australia and we are bringing so many people in, that we are making our housing crisis even worse. Importing people at the expense of making our own homeless. Countries should only bring in people that share our same views, have a sense of pride in being in said country and only bring them in when the infrastructure can support it.
The USA will be unrecognizable in 50 years thanks to mass immigration. When people find themselves living in gated communities with armed security, barbed wire and fencing around their houses, maybe then they will understand. Look to South Africa or Brazil to see what security precautions people have to take to stay safe. That’s what’s in store for the USA and Europe. We will have went from a nation that was once united, safe and an undisputed beacon freedom and prosperity in the world to just a typical third world favela. All thanks to mass immigration.
This. As much as I do want people to immigrate here and better their lives, we need to do it in a sustainable fashion that ensures assimilation, we also shouldn't be using American tax payer money to help people who illegally entered the country. 15 years ago this was the common held belief among the left, today you say this and you're called a fascist. A simple study of the Roman Empire shows how unsustainable immigration can bring down an entire civilization, no matter how powerful.
It's not just about that. The left was in power for decades and its values were disconnected from reality. To run a country, you need to take it step by step. First, you address basic livelihood issues, like crime rates and essential living needs, so hard-working people can live decently. Next, you tackle more advanced problems, such as education and healthcare. Then, you ensure a stable job market. Finally, you focus on long-term goals like social justice, environmental issues, and minority rights. While we've made progress through these steps, the whole system has aged and deteriorated over time. For the past decade, we've been stuck on the long-term goals, assuming we've already taken care of the basics. But the first three steps have become shaky. It's like building a castle in the air—no matter how beautifully you decorate it, if the foundation is weak, it's unsustainable. This approach puts at risk the essential elements many people rely on to survive. That's why more and more people are shifting to the right, seeking stability and solutions to the immediate issues we face.
Very very well said and spot on. I think it’s also very clear that the left, over the past 10 or so years, has been moving way too quickly on certain things and it’s driving people away. Progress takes time, and when you try to force progress on several different things, it pushes a lot of people the opposite direction. There’s nothing wrong with change, but it’s the way you go about it that matters. It’s just like the saying, “It’s not always what you say, but how you say it”. There’s so many things wrong in this country, and instead of focusing on those things and strengthening our own people, they focus on everything else while our people are falling like flies. I really like your foundation analogy, because that’s exactly right!
If the left does anything well, it is hitting the limit and then saying fuck it and going balls to the wall over it.
Don't forget the tech industry corruption that has been revealed over the last 8 years. People found out that there are only 9 major media companies in the US and only one of them Isn't owned directly by the DNC. Thus making us nearly impossible to get news that doesn't just flat out lie to make the right look bad. It's all literal propaganda. The trend extends everywhere else too. The major news network of Canada, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, simped for Prime Minister Blackface because he was the candidate that promised to increase their budget the most. Now look at Europe. They label anything even remotely conservative as "FAR right". Frances primary right wing party is winning the recent election big time because they imported 10% of the population from the middle east and you can watch videos of these people firing AK 47's into the air to chase people out of their homes so more migrants can move in. If you dare suggest sending them back then you are also a "far right" extremist. There is absolutely a global leftist movement towards a globalized world that has been going on. The WEF being a mouth piece for it. This isn't a crazy conspiracy anymore but just truth. EVERY SINGLE LEADER, and I do mean 100% of them, that allies with this global movement is ruining the country they are in with these crazy policies.
I don't think it's just immigration. Let's go through a little history: 1940s: Russia starts racing with the US for nuclear and space superiority. Spy games ensue, people in both countries are reasonably concerned about espionage and psyops. 1950s: McCartyism! Everyone who disagrees with us is a Communist! *You're* a Communist! *You're* a Communist! *You* might not be a Communist, but we'll bet you're Communist-sympathizing or Communist-adjacent! Report your neighbors! Take this pledge! Snitch on your own parents and childre - hey, where are you going? 1960s: A giant cultural movement around peace, love, personal freedom, and economic socialism springs out of a *massive* revolt against the excesses of McCarthyism and nationalistic 50s values Or how about: 1970s: Hey, this whole hippie-dippie thing is getting out of hand. Flowers and stoners and music is fine - but for our whole *culture?* How about some old-fashioned work ethic, responsibility, and national pride? 1980s: Religious Right: "Hello there! We're the Moral Majority! Have you considered that every form of entertainment that you enjoy is probably both Satanic and Anti-American? We're here to help! Hey, where are you going?" 1990s: *Rebels* So now we're onto: 2000s: Hey, isn't it weird that as far as we've come, we still see racism, sexism and other forms of discrimination in statistics? The Civil Rights movement was 40 years ago - when are we finally going to get to see results- 2010s: Social Justice Warriors / the Woke movement / #metoo / #gamergate / etc: "Hello there! We're the Right Side of History! Have you considered that every form of entertainment you enjoy is Bigoted and Problematic? We're here to help!" 2020s: "Hey, where are you going?" ...I think it might be cultural.
Slight correction - early 2000’s Terrorists and “if you’re not with us you’re against us.”
No, the hippie movement springs out of McCarthy being right, but not doing the job properly. So leftist professors infected the universities. Everything went down hill from that point, it just took a while to gradually infect the rest of society. The Soviets didn't lose the Cold War, they lost a battle because their crappy marxist culture finally collapsed their economy. All they have to do now is to wait for their crappy leftist culture to collapse the West as well. And it will. It's already very weakened and it keeps weakening. Think about it: the US is supposedly the most powerful country on Earth. Yet it lost pretty much every single war since WW2.
I’m more right aligned than before primarily because of culture issues. The left could win me back if they dropped the pro-trans and anti-white rhetoric. Immigration is a big deal, but I disagree that the democrats are substantially more friendly to immigration. Biden’s bill was fine for it, and the right proved that they don’t actually care.
My understanding regarding the border bill was the fact that the republicans didn’t agree to the large amount of money being designated to Ukraine. They agreed to the bipartisan border bill, but they did not agree with the money aspect to Ukraine. I could be completely wrong, so please correct me if so, because I definitely haven’t dug too deep into it!
Nobody is running to the right, the left has simply moved so far left that everything else appears to have moved right. In 2016, Trump was milquetoast centrist. Now that centrism has turned into "far right wing extremism" according to the mockingbird media. And most people are gullible enough to believe it. It wasn't so long ago that the democrats were the party trying to limit immigration because those greedy Republicans didn't want to pay American workers a fair wage. That was the narrative most of my life.
I've seen every Republican president/presidential candidate in my life time (starting with Reagan) called an extremist and a fascist by those on the left. Then, when the next election comes around, they say "Hey, we didn't really mean it when we said it about the previous guy, but ***this guy*** really is a fascist!" And, to be clear, I am not exaggerating. I saw them use the exact same playbook against Bush 2, Romney, McCain, and Trump Donald Trump has been a famous capitalist longer than I've been alive, and I'm pushing 40. They expect me to believe Trump's last 40 years in public life were all part of a secret plot to win the presidency, then destroy the American government? So he can rule over the ashes? Are you fucking kidding me?
It's also always the most important election ever or else the world will end. At some point people stop listening to the boy who cried wolf. Hyperbole tires a lot of people out.
Agree. I take those political tests to see where you land every so often, and for me, it hasn't changed. I'm slightly left of center. But compared to everyone around me, I'm a hard right fascist. I dread to see how they'd view actual fascists, though, I'm a believer in the horseshoe theory, that they'd probably get along just fine.
Over the last 4 years of bidens presidency over 10 millions immigrants came over the border illegally you want to know how many were already here before his presidency 9 million. We doubled the number of illegal immigrants in the us in 4 years. That’s a crazy amount of people in a short amount of time and the citizens are suffering for it.
Isn't it something absolutely obvious to anyone so that we even need a specific topic?
Its a huge portion of it.. Among other thing like local lefty politics destroying entire communities. See portland, LA, chicago, etc
Economy as well but world wide in western nations people are DONE with the endless immigration
I’m being pushed right and could not care less about immigration. What did it for me was moving to a blue state and seeing how wholly ineffective their leadership and policies are. My city is overrun by homeless drug addicts and the dems do Jack shit about it. It’s like a drug addict utopia here.
Same here Been right wing since 2020
Further unpopular opinion: Maybe because the right has been right all along… again!
They were smart enough to be right about the general idea, but not smart enough to realize leftism was infecting the education system and, as such, pretty much every institution, both at national and international level. And absolutely not smart enough to do anything about it. They're only somewhat starting now, at least in the US, but I'm not sure they still have time. I hope they do manage to turn things around, but I'm not sure.
Well a majority of Republicans do not have even a 2 year degree so of course they're not in academics.
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I don't know about Canada, but here in the USA it's all about importing new Democrat voters. The Dems see it as the road to unending election victories, and they're not wrong about the results. Bring masses of people in from wherever, give them all sorts of free stuff, and they'll vote for more free stuff and never vote for the party that want to limit that free stuff. Some optimists like to say "Look at Florida! They mass-imported Cubans by the literal boatload and now, a few generations later, many of those Cuban descendants are Conservatives." We are allowing so many illegals in that once they get the "pathway to citizenship," they'll always vote for the free stuff. Sure, some small percentage may end up realizing how much taxes they're paying for other people to live on welfare and decide to vote Conservative, but it's so few that it won't matter. And we're already hearing about the pathway to citizenship from lib politicians, so in 5 years, at this rate, Conservatives will never win another election.
That one reason is enough. Don’t ya think?
No people are running to the right because the left & democrats generally speaking are out of touch…..
This isn’t an unpopular opinion, it’s not even an opinion, it’s a fact that immigration policies is the number one driving force behind peoples voting these days.
Having this opinion even a year ago would be a bannable offense. It was absolutely an opinion you weren’t allowed to have until it simply got untenable recently.
I used to be left leaning most of my life.....but with the left being so dishonest about things such as supporting womens rights...but then allowing biological males in women spaces such as toilets and prisons and then those biological males abusing/hurting women when they are with them in those spaces which should be safe for women from men..... Or biological males competing in female sports....go look up the male rugby union player in Cananda that was awarded one year for being one of the hardest hitting tacklers in the male competition to injury female oppoostion players from his tackles the following year because he identifies as a female....The guy is balding and is very stocky.....and doesnt even try to present as female.... The international Rugby Union governing body has already outlawed it but because Canada is number #1 in idiocracy their local governing bodies dont care. As someone with a young daughter I dont want to have to see her being injured by a biological male. Thats only a few issues but there are many where they claim to support something but their actions show otherwise and also the blatant lying about so many issues/topics/policies. People have eyes and ears we arent stupid....u cant tell use the sky is red when its clearly blue....
It’s true. Global migration crisis is a thing & reactionary/nativist pushback is also global reaction to it. I think it’s unhelpful given how the 1930s worked out but people as a group have poor memories
You are probably right, although this is not the reason in my case. In the US I have not been directly affected by immigration because I’m in a very suburban area and have a job where I don’t interact with them. My #1 reason for shifting from libertarian to republican is anger over how the democrat controlled state governments handled Covid policy.
American here….very well said and 100% true
I think to prevent culture shock, an afghani for instance would not come straight to Canada, but maybe go to India for a couple years, then Hungary then idk somewhere else. The idea is slower adjusting. If you rise up from the depths too fast you get the bends.
And also because of the green policies in Europe, which are affecting the regular citizens with more taxes
Yep, anyone with half a brain can understand this concept and see it through to its natural conclusion. The left wants the problems that come with mass migration though, so they’ll gas light and try to shame you about it. Ignore them, they’re either evil, useful idiots, or both.
Would it be the same reason in the USA as well?
Most of the new immigrants are also leaning conservative, especially the ones from Asia and Africa.
"If liberals won't police borders, then facists will"
This is so misguided but also accurate. Yeah obviously having this many immigrants coming to Canada is fucking us over but not because they don’t want to assimilate into Canadian culture. It’s because there’s no infrastructure. Theres no housing, no jobs, no doctors and no one in charge cares because we need immigrants to do our shitty jobs for even less than we used to pay 10 years ago. We want wage slaves not assimilation. It’s far easier for companies like Tim Hortons and Walmart to steal from their employees when their employees are beholden to them for their PR and because they don’t know their rights and how things should work.
First post on this sub that I think I agree on. I'm a leftist and judge anyone who would not condemn the current Republican party's actions, but I do believe this wave of support comes from an inevitable realization that mass migration isn't sustainable without a very strong set of checks and balances. This, as well as the inflation following the pandemic, is the perfect combination to stir up anger, fear and desire for a change - no matter which. It is just disheartening to see to which extent people are willing to create narrative to cope with that decision. I'm extremely concerned by what is unfolding in the USA. As a fellow Canadian I feel extremely anxious sharing a border with it. It feels like being in Poland prior to WW2.
I consider myself left leaning economically and moderate socially. I haven't ran to the right at all, but unfortunately to many liberals and progressives I sound very right wing even though my political views were pretty standard among the left back in the early 2010s. I stayed put while the rest of the left kept it pushing and now I've found myself agreeing with the Republicans more and more (I'll still never vote for them though). The left chose to focus on fringe social ideological issues in order to keep up the facade of meaningful progress while pretty much abandoning truly progressive economic policy. To the modern left, opening the border to millions of illegal immigrants is somehow "progressive" even though these migrants come and work in slave-like conditions. And will likely never be able to afford a nice home or get a decent paying job. In what world is this progressive or liberal? They somehow used compassion to justify shitty working conditions and a sub-par quality of life lmao. The left who said Joe Biden should be a 1 term president is the same left trying to gas-light the world into thinking he's cognitively fit to for run office AGAIN, and whatever beat down is coming for the democrats in November is 110% deserved. There's a real thirst for genuinely progressive economic policy in this country and the democrats and the establishment left refuse to tap into it. Instead they're more worried about which bathrooms someone can use and making sure we pretend that someone is the gender they're physically not. I could go on and on about how stupid the modern left has become, but I'll still never vote Republican. My ideal candidate is someone with the same economic ideas as Bernie Sanders, the same social ideas as 2012 Obama, and the same foreign policy as Eisenhower. Who famously warned about America's growing military-industrial complex. Even I agree with Trump that NATO is a leech and American tax payers should NOT be footing the bill for complacent Europeans. To the modern left this is radical, but Obama back in his time in office was also urging the Europeans to start taking their defense seriously. It's like the parties have slowly started realigning.
I guess this might be true if you live in an area where it didn’t exist previously. Ironically it’s very similar to the much more left wing discussion about gentrification. There’s a lot to talk about here in terms of human tribalism and the why of this kind of immigration but that wasn’t the point of your post so I won’t dive into it. I mainly wanted to say from where I’m sitting it seems to have more to do with people getting tired of “woke” culture and having their speech policed by ignorant 20 year olds that don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. It’s why this pro-choice, pro universal healthcare, defund the police pinko commie liberal dirt bag is distancing himself.
Agreed The mainstream parties have done fuck all. And not just with limiting immigration, but by refusing to actually DEPORT immigrants who break the law. I am an immigrant myself, in Asia. If I broke the law here, I would be departed so quickly my feet wouldn't even touch the ground. In Europe, there are endless cases of rapists and murderers and thieves and more being allowed to stay rather than deported. It's baffling, as it would be a simple way to nip the far-right in the bud -- "if you break the law, you're gone" and they can't even manage that.
Yep. Nobody should be getting BLOWN UP in Europe because their colleague drew a cartoon of Mohammed. We shouldn't accept that.
> In 2019, 25 percent of men and 21 percent of women voted for National Rally — in line with traditional patterns. This year, however, the poll found that 33 percent of women had voted for Le Pen’s far-right party, outpacing 30 percent of men. That’s a striking 12 percentage point increase from women voters over five years. Why you may ask, is it women that are increasingly moving to the right? Simple, in western countries (sans the US of course) women’s rights like abortion are settled issues so increasingly it’s right-wing parties *that are becoming defenders of women rights & safety*. [In a video Bardella argued that his party supported advances for women’s rights, from medical support to protection for women suffering domestic abuse. He also said he’d deport “foreign delinquents and criminals” and introduce stricter sentences for violence against women. “No woman should ever have to fear going out into the streets of our country, whatever the time of day or night,” he said.](https://www.politico.eu/article/france-eu-elections-2024-women-vote-far-right-policy-emmanuel-macron-july-7/) I don’t even think your opinion is that unpopular anymore. I think the unpopular opinion is the left is no longer the defender of women’s rights in western democracies (again, sans USA).
Immigration has its place. It's just that there's a ton of immigration without vetting, without a port of entry, without proper asylum seeking. I work with the full gambit of people in my job, and I couldn't care less. However, there are laws that need to be followed when it comes to immigration. You can be compassionate without being stupid about it.
For me it is the ubiquitous men hating
You must hate ubiquitous gay hating from the right, if you hate men loving men then you don't support men.
A note: Immigrants in Europe are not left parties project, but right and liberal right. Madame Merkel is good example.
I totally understand the frustrations about immigrants who refuse to assimilate, but it's also unfortunate because there are also people who do want to. I'm currently attending a university in Canada as an international student from the U.S. with the hopes of obtaining a citizenship. I'm already embracing Canadian culture and want to become a part of it—but because of the bad reputation that immigrants have made for themselves, Canadians are becoming more opposed to them.
I honestly don’t think much will change even if Trump is elected. Wealthy people love low wage labor. And Americans love shit for cheap. And no American is raising their kids to take low wage work or is willing to take low wage work themselves. I cant speak for anywhere else but here in America, people are complaining that “no one wants to work anymore”-well there’s a solution. There’s always been an immigration “problem” in this country.
I really don't think the right are going to deliver on their promises regarding immigration, I do not think anyone one in the modern day has the will to really do what is necessary to fix the issue. The entire west will be Haiti.
Agreed. BREXIT happened for one reason and one reason only: migrant panic brought on by the "Migrant Crisis", itself caused by Syrian refugees fleeing Bashar's regime (as orchestrated by Putin). It almost worked in France too, it's just taken another 8 years.
100% true
I think it’s a big danger of our system that people who fundamentally don’t agree with western values are coming in at such high rates. However, I think jumping to supporting far right politics as a reaction is likely more dangerous. Implementing third world style politics and government as a response to too many people coming from the third world is illogical and a recipe for disaster. Another concern is that our systems are built on immigration. We can’t survive without it. Our entire economic system is built around it. You want social security? You’re going to need immigrants to come in continuously to pay for it. You want a strong military? Well the pentagon reported that 77% of young Americans are not healthy enough to qualify for the military, so we’re going to need immigrants to come and fill these slots. I think we’ve pigeonholed ourselves into a sticky situation by progressing socially faster than the rest of the world. I support this social progress because it promotes and protects liberty and freedom. But when you have millions of people coming in who don’t share these values, and millions of people already in the country who were left out of this social progress and are more in line value wise with the third world immigrants, it doesn’t leave a whole lot of room for us to continue the social progress or ensure it lasts into future generations. I will however point out a saving grace, and that’s that by and large, first generation Americans are very assimilated and in line with western values. It doesn’t mean the original immigrants will be able to get on board, but look how many first generation Americans we have here that are passionate about things that are simply not cared about by the vast majority of people in the countries their parents came from. Issues such as women’s rights, gay rights, racism, police brutality. It gives me hope for the future, because even if most of the immigrants can’t fully assimilate to our values, their children are, and that will insure our trajectory into the future. But it’s definitely a flaw of our system that we believe in freedom so much that we can allow in too many people with fundamental differences in a short period of time. People need to understand that they aren’t just coming here to make money. The promises of western civilization and values goes far beyond that, and they need to be on board with that if they want to be here. It’s already bad enough that we have to deal with millions of people who have been here for generations who aren’t on board with our values and want us to operate more like a third world country
Yes. It is the number one reason. But the number one reason for deterioration of those societies is not immigration. It's not even top ten. It's privatization of national assets, excessive lending, (proxy)wars that ruin those countries' stances in the international community, mismanaged economies in general and more of such things. Immigrants would drastically be less if we didn't go and bomb their countries back into the dark ages, so that's also a bit of accountability we must take.
The UK is a mess on this. The right wing voted to slash spending on border security and immigration staff and drop out of all immigration control treaties. Now it is such a big issue that centrist parties like Labour are campaigning on it.
My name is Mario, and the reason I run to the right is the screen stops scrolling when I try to go left.
let's a go.
Canadian here, feeling this. If you look back in history, the only time where more ‘strong ideologies’ come into light, is when things go south in the economy. People tend to uphold nationalism in such times, meaning leaning to the right for example. Same as all fascist regimes.
At which point is immigration policy left winged? Isn't the argument usually that immigrants are like, low cost wage for hard labour, which sounds a lot more like an economic argument, therefore right leaning? I mean, that's the way it's presented generally speaking. At least in Europe.
Not just that, but as a black man that is also a part of the alphabet community, I've grown tired of the left constantly trying to sell me victimhood and oppression. Watching a bunch of people constantly pandering, assuming that I'm somehow "lesser than" and need things handed to me simply because of my skin color (on top of them not realizing how racist that actually is) did not sit right with me in the slightest. I'm also not a fan of how increasingly hyperbolic they have gotten, relying on gaslighting, fearmongering, and downright lies to get people to fall in line. They've become the very thing they hate about right-wingers.
Mostly this and the economy. Yet there are soccer moms in middle America that think abortion is the biggest issue. Everyone has their views.
Hell yeah! Too many people coming in and getting treated well in the big cities. They’re living the life, hotels in the nice parts of the cities, feee food, allowance, road to citizenship, and they DON’T HAVE TO WORK! Woo-hoo! 🙌 Meanwhile the U.S govt has completely neglected the homeless citizens, the army veterans, and the millions of immigrants who pay taxes and contribute to the economy.
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Facts
no its because the left wants to put trans drag queens in schools for story hour. I bailed on the left and am pulling my kids from public schools because of this shit
This combined with no real progress being made on social programs/economic policies is pushing a lot of people to simply not believe the politicians claiming to be on the left in the west are actually on the left and are believing more and more that passing real left wing policy isn't even possible. In the US, Biden hasn't even raised the minimum wage, let alone fulfilled his bigger promises like a public healthcare option. Instead, the democrats have decided attacking Trump and Republicans from the right is somehow the winning strategy and far more important than actually passing things to help poor people. It's to the point where I know fairly left wing people who genuinely believe the democrats have veered right on criminal justice, because of their "nobody is above the law" rhetoric and attack of Trump as a "convicted felon" based on a non-violent misdemeanor. It doesn't help that Trump actually passed criminal justice reform either.
Don't use left or right wing they're stupid terms that don't represent political nuance well. I disagree with uncontrolled immigration yet by all other accounts I'm a lefty