Uhmm.. you know the blackbay monochrome is closer in dimensions to the sub than the 54 right?
If ppl are looking for a cheaper sub... they already got it with the monochrome.
I think that that’s half true. Rolex will never allow Tudor to make a watch that can stand toe-to-toe with the Submariner, but not because Rolex buyers will opt for it. Those who buy Rolex will always buy Rolex. I think it’s more so that they don’t want Tudor buyers to view them as alternatives. Rolex want Tudor buyers to view their watches as compromises and upgrade later.
I don't know man. Everyone said Tudor would never do a black white BB but here we are. Rolex is no longer entry level and people buy Rolexes for the brand not necessarily for the watch itself. The BB will never replace the Sub because of the brand recognition and the difference in price point. Two completely different markets IMHO
I think we’re in agreement in all honesty. As nice as the Black Bay Monochrome is, the BB54 has a much more Rolex-like case taper, and it’s a far more unique watch in terms of size. It harkens back to the initial Submariner, and will thus always have a target audience. The Monochrome has a very modest amount of text, and a relatively unbalanced dial. It also has an imperfect case taper, like most of Tudor’s lineup. It’s a cool watch, but it’s not something that one could ever substitute in place of a Submariner. A BB54 in a monochromatic colour scheme might be the ultimate diver for many people.
Agreed if I weren't feeling so broke I'd buy one quick time. I love my GMT but it feels too chunky often. But alas it's fused to my body at this point.
It’s less about dimensions and more so about the appeal of the timepiece. The monochrome is a similarly-sized watch with gimped Tudor case taper, and is just overall a worse watch that looks kinda comparable. The BB54 has the best case refinement out of any Tudor dive watch, and has its own unique appeal.
You’d need to put them side by side, but notice that the BB54 has shorter lugs, and the lugs are slightly more squared than with other Black Bays. It has a nicer looking taper. Most Tudors look too elongated. It’s almost a feature of the brand by this point. I know that the BB54’s lug change was mentioned by a few reviewers, but only once I saw it next to a BB58, did I understand how significant the change was.
Are you comparing the bb54 to the bb58 or the 41? The 41 is the monochrome.
And I've seen both side by side. The cases are not noticeablly different other than dimensions.
And you mentioned shorter lug sizes? How is that not literally a product of having smaller dimensions lol.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Tudor/s/VfINofXeAX
It’s not just the length but the overall thickness. There was a SOTC posted on Reddit not so long ago, where the difference is very noticeable when the individual had the 58 and 54 side by side. The 40.5mm Monochrome has the less tapered, elongated, case that most Tudors have.
All that I’m saying is, the BB54 doesn’t feel like a watch that necessarily has an upgrade path. If one is into 50s Bond-style Submariners, then a monochromatic BB54 would be the perfect watch. It has a good wrist presence, a balanced dial, and an overall style that cannot be compared to anything that Rolex (or anyone else) makes. It’s the perfect dive watch, but the gilt puts many of us off.
I’m not saying I want a smaller Submariner. I like the Submariner as it is. However, I definitely do like when Tudor makes Rolex-adjacent watches. I don’t care for them to make their own designs, because Tudor and Rolex are the same brand and they were always intended to be. Rolex is just the higher end model of whatever Tudor makes. They’re owned by the same foundation, and the profits go to the same place. They are literally not competing.
What I am saying, is that a BB54 in a monochromatic colour scheme would not be something owners would aspire to upgrade. Someone that owns a standard Black Bay or a BB58 will always look at the Submariner, or perhaps the SD43. A BB54 is a class of watch that just doesn’t get made anymore, and the case lacks the elongation that we see on other models.
Rolex makes the best designs, and it’s because of the case dimensions and design choices they make. Their watches sit prominently on the wrist. The BB54 is the only watch from Tudor that sort-of creates that illusion.
Just make it blue and everyone wins. Rolex protects their black dial sub and it would contrast the guilt model very well.
I’d buy a blue 54 without hesitation.
With a t fit clasp that would be an instant buy for me, instant
This is Tudor basically printing money if they made this
Lol I’d like mine with a mil sub bezel 😀
That would be KILLER
This is my ideal Tudor, which is why they will never make it. 😂
I feel like Rolex won't allow them because people will get this instead of the Rolex Submariner 😂 One can dream...
Uhmm.. you know the blackbay monochrome is closer in dimensions to the sub than the 54 right? If ppl are looking for a cheaper sub... they already got it with the monochrome.
I know but a vintage sized Black Bay Monochrome would be a cool option
At the end of the day most Rolex purchasers want a Rolex for the status (I love both brands).
Imo it loses a bit of charm that the 54 had
I agree with you but Tudor likes to offer choices
That would be a good buy but I would probably not find a need to sell my BB54.
Same here!! I love my BB54 but I can see people who don't have a Black Bay would LOVE this!!! Gives me 5513 Submariner vibes
Indeed!
Kinda ruins the whole point of the 54 to me.
I'm with you on that but I think this could be a good addition to the 54 lineup
Instant and I mean instant purchase. The wife would have to understand
37mm correct?
YEP
I’d wear this watch everyday
Would buy in a millisecond
need it in the 58!
If the next BB58 went monochrome, METAS movement and a T Fit clasp....the watch internet would BREAK
It’s coming don’t worry. The new gmt is pretty much it. Just needs monochrome treatment and I’m sold 100%
Did you put your watch in a copy machine?
Black and white filter when I took this pic on my phone
I think that that’s half true. Rolex will never allow Tudor to make a watch that can stand toe-to-toe with the Submariner, but not because Rolex buyers will opt for it. Those who buy Rolex will always buy Rolex. I think it’s more so that they don’t want Tudor buyers to view them as alternatives. Rolex want Tudor buyers to view their watches as compromises and upgrade later.
I don't know man. Everyone said Tudor would never do a black white BB but here we are. Rolex is no longer entry level and people buy Rolexes for the brand not necessarily for the watch itself. The BB will never replace the Sub because of the brand recognition and the difference in price point. Two completely different markets IMHO
I think we’re in agreement in all honesty. As nice as the Black Bay Monochrome is, the BB54 has a much more Rolex-like case taper, and it’s a far more unique watch in terms of size. It harkens back to the initial Submariner, and will thus always have a target audience. The Monochrome has a very modest amount of text, and a relatively unbalanced dial. It also has an imperfect case taper, like most of Tudor’s lineup. It’s a cool watch, but it’s not something that one could ever substitute in place of a Submariner. A BB54 in a monochromatic colour scheme might be the ultimate diver for many people.
Agreed if I weren't feeling so broke I'd buy one quick time. I love my GMT but it feels too chunky often. But alas it's fused to my body at this point.
The monochrome IS the tudor that stands toe to toe with the sub... The dimensions of the monochrome are closer to the sub than the 54....
It’s less about dimensions and more so about the appeal of the timepiece. The monochrome is a similarly-sized watch with gimped Tudor case taper, and is just overall a worse watch that looks kinda comparable. The BB54 has the best case refinement out of any Tudor dive watch, and has its own unique appeal.
Explain how the bb54 case is more refined than the monochrome....without talking about dimensions. Lol. I think you are splitting hairs here.
You’d need to put them side by side, but notice that the BB54 has shorter lugs, and the lugs are slightly more squared than with other Black Bays. It has a nicer looking taper. Most Tudors look too elongated. It’s almost a feature of the brand by this point. I know that the BB54’s lug change was mentioned by a few reviewers, but only once I saw it next to a BB58, did I understand how significant the change was.
Are you comparing the bb54 to the bb58 or the 41? The 41 is the monochrome. And I've seen both side by side. The cases are not noticeablly different other than dimensions. And you mentioned shorter lug sizes? How is that not literally a product of having smaller dimensions lol. https://www.reddit.com/r/Tudor/s/VfINofXeAX
It’s not just the length but the overall thickness. There was a SOTC posted on Reddit not so long ago, where the difference is very noticeable when the individual had the 58 and 54 side by side. The 40.5mm Monochrome has the less tapered, elongated, case that most Tudors have. All that I’m saying is, the BB54 doesn’t feel like a watch that necessarily has an upgrade path. If one is into 50s Bond-style Submariners, then a monochromatic BB54 would be the perfect watch. It has a good wrist presence, a balanced dial, and an overall style that cannot be compared to anything that Rolex (or anyone else) makes. It’s the perfect dive watch, but the gilt puts many of us off.
You can just go ahead and say it...and stop hiding behind stuff like " but the gilt puts us off". Y'all basically want a smaller submariner.
I’m not saying I want a smaller Submariner. I like the Submariner as it is. However, I definitely do like when Tudor makes Rolex-adjacent watches. I don’t care for them to make their own designs, because Tudor and Rolex are the same brand and they were always intended to be. Rolex is just the higher end model of whatever Tudor makes. They’re owned by the same foundation, and the profits go to the same place. They are literally not competing. What I am saying, is that a BB54 in a monochromatic colour scheme would not be something owners would aspire to upgrade. Someone that owns a standard Black Bay or a BB58 will always look at the Submariner, or perhaps the SD43. A BB54 is a class of watch that just doesn’t get made anymore, and the case lacks the elongation that we see on other models. Rolex makes the best designs, and it’s because of the case dimensions and design choices they make. Their watches sit prominently on the wrist. The BB54 is the only watch from Tudor that sort-of creates that illusion.
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Haha, definitely not. Tudor and Rolex are effectively the same company. The profits go to the same foundation, so they’re not really competitors.
I like the gilt dial but you’re right. People would go apeshit if there were a monochrome.
I like the gilt dial too but I feel this would sell like CRAZY
pretty good
Literally a perfect watch
Just make it blue and everyone wins. Rolex protects their black dial sub and it would contrast the guilt model very well. I’d buy a blue 54 without hesitation.
This, and ditch those fake rivets
That would please a lot of people!! I personally don't mind the fake rivets but it's all preference