Having police is riot gear in the formations they’re holding is incredibly surreal. Whether for some reason you’re on a “side” still at this point, you should be ANGRY that this is how administration decided to “come to a solution”. It’s so sickening
I don’t go here, I’m all the way on the east coast but this was on my home feed. But regardless of where you stand, please stay safe guys.
And really tho what a great start to a Monday. Columbia main graduation cancelled and UCSD raided.
Yeah and guess by who?
There's a reason our nation supports them so vehemently. It's because they are a testing ground for the policing and surveillance technology the us government eventually uses on all of us.
October 7th was a massive failure of their supposed "techniques" and they are lashing out trying to paper over that face
Not only riot gear but snipers, police officers with assault weapons standing in front of peaceful protestors with their fingers in the trigger. Medics and professors arrested alongside students thrown to the ground.
This video news report also talks about the snipers: https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/police-clearing-uc-san-diego-protest-west-campus-operations-suspended/amp/
Fingers on the trigger? I guarantee none of those cops had their fingers on the trigger, this is basic gun safety. If any of the cops actually did that I guarantee they would be immediately reprimanded. Take a picture if you see it, otherwise don't spread this bullshit
Police in riot gear with rubber bullets AND border patrol. Why would they need 3-4 security units or border patrol who doesn't even need to be on campus.
UCSD is no longer safe for undocumented students and refugees, nor do they value free speech.
Mutual aid agreements between departments so that if any one agency is overwhelmed ofher departments send their extra personnel, including federal agents like those of border patrol, who also tend to be more professional and better trained. It was border patrol guys who ended the nightmare scenario at Uvalde after realizing nobody else was going to.
Well, border patrol agents don't have undocumented student radar, they're likely acting in the same riot control role they were called in for. The greatest risk would be for an undocumented student to be arrested by any means for whatever reason, and later being turned over at some point while in custody. And I can't imagine any undocumented student willingly calling attention to themselves in such a risky manner.
Apparently undocumented students intentionally try to get deported by attacking the nearest border patrol agent -- because as has been said, border patrol agents don't automatically assume every Hispanic person is undocumented and wouldn't think anything bad of them if not given a reason to.
From my experience federal agencies are almost never as shorthanded or as busy as most people are led to believe, namely due to the limited mandate and excellent benefits.
My son was a student until March 2021 when he withdrew due to depression. He sadly died on campus July 2021. Admins made the conscious decision not to announce his death claiming it was not necessary because, “he wasn’t a student at the time of his death.” In reality, they blindsided us after months of drafting an announcement for the sake of PR given Aaron Fan’s on campus death in October 2021. Students are only valued for their money. inconvenience or bad PR are not tolerated by admins. They are grotesque to the very top.
I’m Really sorry to hear that. I have heard that this happens a lot with on campus deaths. They don’t want these incidents to become stories so it’s quickly swept under the rug
not a student or an alum, just an sd local that has firsthand experience with direct action protests. I think it is being largely overlooked/ignored on this sub that getting arrested or facing other consequences is a very real and common consequence of participating in a direct action protest. often the expectation is that you will be at least detained at some point throughout the protest, so I just don’t understand how anyone is surprised by this outcome. not saying it’s right, just saying it seems like a lot of people had unrealistic expectations about how this would conclude
I think it’s specifically the fact that the University, an institution that endlessly pretends to be moral and just regarding to social matters, would go so fully mask off about this. It’s one thing if a local government called in riot police, but for the place that supposedly welcomes free thought and community to do some is more disheartening.
Personally it’s not SURPRISING to me in the slightest since it was hard for to believe any of the bullshit the institution pretends to care about in the first place. In the end it’s always just going to be about the $$$ to them, and nothing else. It might be naive for people to react in this way, but I understand where it’s coming from.
Students and faculty are actually right to be surprised and incredibly disgusted that their university would deploy riot cops on them on their own campus for camping on a lawn. Not everything is about you and the times you've protested against Donald Trump, darling.
One-Adhesiveness3140 sounds like a bot name to me. two word name followed by numbers, and they are in like half the threads of the post. that said, I wasn’t protesting Trump getting elected; I was protesting SDPD’s police brutality with United Against Police Terror’s help
Nowadays I'm not sure if you can even make a custom username? I made a new reddit account a while ago and it automatically assigned me a name, I don't think I got the choice.
It has far less tents? And access to the tents isn’t blocked off by a plywood fence. It probably wasn’t ok in the eyes of the admin, but it was small enough to ignore.
Nobody wants police in riot gear arresting students. That was ugly.
But one thing you really need to consider: While the encampment itself can be peaceful, it can also be a *target*. It you look at what happened at UCLA with a counter protest group arriving to protest the encampment and physical fights breaking out, it’s not just about whether the encampment is peaceful, but whether the campus can keep those in the encampment safe, especially as it was *continuing to grow*. As the size increases, resources are stretched should something happen. And with the tents and boards shielding everything from outside view, imagine if someone had infiltrated that peaceful group to do it harm (or cause a violent action that they then try to blame on the group)
It’s not unheard of. Remember that several peaceful protests during BLM were straight up rammed with vehicles.
How, do you propose, would they have prevented the Israeli counter protesters from entering a public campus with no gates?
Would they have just lined up the same cops at the entrances instead, blocking a protest that would probably also describe themselves as peaceful, and violate their 1st amendment rights?
Remember that protesting itself is not the unlawful issue, so they couldn’t block them from coming to campus
It wasn't being there that was trespass. It's the establishment of an encampment. Remember a couple months ago when there was a massive Palestinian Protest that campus did not stop and in fact coordinated with and helped ensure everyone was safe in. Campus isn't against the freedom to protest but like any other freedom it isn't carte blanche to behave how you like. If you are going to engage in civil disobedience and break the law then you need to be prepared to be arrested for it. MLK was arrested multiple times for his peaceful protests which still broke the law. Thats just the way things operate.
Its California's Senate Bill 1011 specifically, banning people from camping within 500 feet of a public space such as a public school or major transit stop.
okay. thats a nice technicality to have; introduced a couple months ago to stop homeless people LOL and its not even PASSED YET from what I can see.... interesting law there. did any cops or any authority cite this "law" recently?
Where did you hear about this "law"?
okay lets just pretend thats real. what laws did previous student protestors break in the past that allowed cops to crack down and even kill some students?
Universities have the power to regulate the time, place, and manner of protests to ensure they don't interfere with the university's mission (part of which is to guarantee the safety of its students).
https://www.thefire.org/news/campus-encampment-bans-rarely-violate-first-amendment-heres-why
When you convert public space to your personal use to the detriment of its intended use, it's a trespass. If I lend you my car to go to the store, but you use it to go off road racing, it is a trespass to my chattel. It's a similar concept.
hilarious. i love going to school and taking classes in your car as I pay tuition for your car.
whats the next excuse after this one? i forget the script sometimes.
Thus flew over your head. If their issue really was safety, they would have used this same level of force right from the beginning or when the Israeli counter protest showed up.
UCLA is smack dab in the middle of one of the largest mizrahi Jewish communities outside of Israel. 90% of mizrahi Jews live in Israel. All of the thousands of mizrahi Jews in LA have family and friends in Israel in the IDF and don’t take kindly to being accused of wanting to kill babies like the ayatollahs used to do in places like Iran instigating riots against us.
You can be against the US Military Complex and still thank a veteran for their service.
Same way I can condemn Israel for their blatant attacks on civilian life and still greet my Jewish neighbor with a smile and open arms.
Tell me what you think Israel should have done after 10/7 while Hamas held hostages while simultaneously firing missiles into Israel from civilian structures? Are you really expecting Israel not to respond to missile fire? Honest question.
Pure imagination, supported by absolutely zero facts and based on nothing but your own baseless speculation. In reality, UCPD stood by while students and faculty at UCLA were brutally attacked for hours. It's clear they have no interest in keeping students or faculty safe if they are demonstrators on that campus, and there is NO reason to think they give a shit here.
It seems more like you were just completely consumed by a narrative that you've made up in your head and so are determined to view yourself and others as oppressed as humanly possible
Putting aside personal opinions and feelings on the topic of those involved, this was going to happen. Sure, this time it might have been an encampment of people in your favor but if this was repeatedly allowed it could have been an encampment of Sister Cindy types etc.
It was also way too many randos who clearly weren’t even students.
If anything I think doing this right after Sungod was lame, should have just gotten it over with ASAP if thats what was going to happen
Even then UCR didnt really do anything, they just promised to form a committee about forming a committee and pretty much got the protesters to cease by actually doing nothing.
There’s nothing more American than students exercising their constitutional right to assemble and redress their grievances with their government.
There’s nothing more fascist than cops and right wing agitators attacking and beating students to protect a wannabe dictator 5,000 miles away.
I honestly think police riot gear is a precaution. The day the encampment was set up the people were told they were not allowed to have tents. That's the only reason people are being arrested. You can still have signs, banners, large groups of chanting people, you just can't have tents.
People really think a cop is going to go near hundreds of people without the proper gear to handle a crowd of this size. All it takes is for one protestor to get wild and violent and dozens of people could get hurt or killed. You bring more than what you need, not less.
Would students feel like their rights were being violated if a group decided to have a week-long camping trip on rimmac field and then refused to move after being notified repeatedly that they were in violation of established campus rules?
I see posts on here all the time talking about how students see unhoused individuals who are not students spending time in the price center, would people feel as outraged if a homeless encampment became established on campus and this happened after a week of refusing the move?
Whose idea was the encampment anyway? We saw what chancellors at other campuses were willing to do in response to encampments, and we also have seen successful and entirely peaceful protests/marches at UCSD in the last year NOT result in riot police and arrests. The first amendment doesn’t protect you from doing whatever you want just because you happen to be engaging in public speech protected by the first amendment.
Well, you're right.
Is this sub not moderated? Why do we have so many disgusting genocide apologizers here openly campaigning for more violence against UCSD students?
Btw I refuse to engage with people replying because the fact that they can talk about “free speech” and in the same breath make fun of protesters is just completely insane.
The thing that saddens me about this as an alum is that every single student who acts like that is a failure of our university to properly educate the community
You're literally asking for reddit mods to come in and squash free speech, when the post is angry that their perceived free speech was violated?
That's a joke right? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Holy 🤦
Is supplying weapons in violation of the Leahy law legal? Is supplying weapons to a country armed with nukes but who has refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty legal?
it appears legality is thrown to the wind when it means keeping the war machine going, but god forbid you ask for it to stop by peacefully occupying a space.
What about … (million other things). Any factual comments about rules and regulations of UCSD? They still allowed to protest any place without disrupting services and camping.
you made an appeal to legality which is hypocritical in the context of this issue, if you dont care to address the violations of the law on the other side, which preceded the encampments, I dont see why I need to comment on UCSD rules, have a good day.
1) In a strict sense no, but there’s enough wiggle room there that sending weapons to Israel doesn’t violate the Leahy law.
2) The only law there is there prevents transferring nuclear materials to Israel, has no enforcement on weapons.
Yes and no. It should be somewhat legal insofar as UCSD’s supposed to be public property. It’s not legal bc the state of California’s decided it’s okay to treat it and enforce laws on it, as if it is not public property. So it’s not legal, but the basis on which it’s not legal is a violation of federal law
I'm sympathetic to the protestors cause. Can someone explain why the cops showing up in riot gear is an escalation though? What else should the administration have done realistically?
If the protestors were just peacefully marching I'd get it but they're setting up tents on land which they don't own. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they were restricting access to the land they're camping on as well. The protestors have the responsibility of being accountable for the crime they commit.
they should have just left them alone and ignored them, the first rule of engagement with rebel (I use this word literally, as in rebellion, purely bc I can't think of another) groups is not to make martyrs and to let them wear themselves out.
that's why people say peaceful protest is ineffective because it can just kind of be... ignored. Imagine if they were just camping out there for the rest of this month, maybe an occasional news report on them, and then in June the quarter would end and there wouldn't really be any point for them to continue. It would have simply just fizzled out if UCSD hadn't escalated
(and I do believe that our secluded la Jolla campus, a minimum 20+ minute commute w/parking from off campus, wouldn't face violent counter protests like in other unis had they just ignored the encampment)
100% agree. I don't care what they stand for but I do support a peaceful protest. I believe praying and a crochet workshop was on the agenda today... seriously. Campus just couldn't just let it go. They had to kick the bees nest 🙄
It doesnt seem like you have seen the encampment, it was a TINY patch of grass off the street like many others sprinkled around UCSD and was set up to get the administration to rethink collaboration and funding of a state in breach of a UN security council resolution. Sure you may use force to clear the camp and arrest your own students but it should be a last resort. In this case there was no attempt at dialogue from the administration and jumped straight to violence after day 5. Sad.
I have seen the encampment many times and talked to people there. I agree this encampment wasn't blocking anyone from going to classes like in other colleges. I'm referring to the fact they're taking land which doesn't belong to them and essentially enforcing security within that area as if they're the owner.
The framing most people including your comment seems to adopt is that just because you believe the protest is morally good and correct then you can a free pass from accountability. Feel free to correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you're saying. Like I said in another comment if admin starts negotiating then they're setting a precedent for future demonstrations setting up encampments that they will listen to their demands. That's just creating more problems.
I am not saying that you get a free pass from accountability, what I am saying and where we seem to disagree is that civil disobedience and protests do and have in many situations in the past led to positive changes (thankfully) and that negotiating in good faith is what helps us to evolve as a society. I do not see opening the door to more negotiations and more change as a bad thing (for women's right, for under-represented communities, for people with disabilities...). Maybe not all demands are met but listening and considering ways to address the concerns, that's how you deal with today's and tomorrow's problems.
Edit: of course all of the above is moot when you are dealing with an administration or a person in a position of power refuse to have those conversation then the subject of morality arises. How far are you willing to go to bring about change? Some remain idle and some take the risk of being arrested as a form or protest. The powerful have an array of means to enforce their rules but that doesn't make them right. Only time will tell if the price the student pay (accountability) will make others think and join the movement.
Why are they in riot gear? Says the hordes of people screaming fuck the police, death to pigs, fuck you and throwing things all while hiding their face with masks.
Mob mentality takes over real quick.
You think admin has an obligation to negotiate with protestors just because they're camping illegally? If administration sets the precedent they will negotiate with people making demands like this there's no going back. Let's say a month from now some other random political protest group sets up an encampment, then if admin doesn't negotiate it looks like favoritism and endorsement of the other group.
Communication is and diplomacy is better than violence and physical force. Even if they know their final answer will be no, people usually protest because they feel unheard and that they have no other way of communicating effectively with authority. Is there a forum for discussing these types of issues with administration? I haven’t really looked into it. I’m not trying to start a heated debate here. I agree that the university shouldn’t just give into demands because people are threatening to continue doing something illegal, and setting that precedent would be bad. We do need better communication between the students and the administration
The protesters also are not attempting a diplomatic resolution. It goes both ways. If they want divestment, it starts with those who are investing into the institution. People don't get that. The protests of BLM and Occupy never changed anything- it was those who arranged organizations to go and speak with those of authority, signing petitions, etc. that brought change- and those changes take a long time. Those things aren't as easy to do when it's an international affair, but the solution starts with us.
If they are on the frontlines in a protest, they are definitely not having the time doing the real work. I've witnessed 30 years of protests and know that the people bringing changes don't step foot on the same grounds as protestors. They are actually working.
Protests occur out of helplessness. Activism occurs out of determination for change.
I'm glad you guys are correctly identifying fascism. It's a very important step in fighting back. Fascism relies on lies and deception to maintain itself, it needs to manipulate people to agree to its base principles, because they don't stand up to the scrutiny of logic and reason.
Keep fighting and you'll win.
> UC San Diego Police reported 64 arrests during the event. The university said 40 of those were students while 24 were unaffiliated or their relationship to the university unknown at this time.
I wonder if the outsiders came in with the intent to escalate.
[https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/police-clearing-uc-san-diego-protest-west-campus-operations-suspended/](https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/police-clearing-uc-san-diego-protest-west-campus-operations-suspended/)
So was the Chinse government justified in suppressing the peaceful encampment at tiananmen if instead of the army they brought in riot police?
You sounds like you would cheer if the state brought in the tanks to clear out the student protestors. Morons.
Tell me what is the difference? Or do you want the student to risk their life by resisting arrest with rocks and molotov cocktails?
Or are you a chinese bot? Maybe you think tiananmen happened in a different universe than this one. Didn't know we still have tankies.
I‘m curious about why the chancellor said in the first letter about the protesters' promise not to expand the encampments. This also became one of his excuses to use the police. If the organizers did agree to the chancellor's request, then I think this action goes against their original intentions. Second, I object to you simply labeling this behavior as fascism. I think you do not understand what fascism is. Rather, such an anti-Israel movement is likely to develop into an anti-Semitic movement. It's fascist. Third, I think my campus life has been disturbed. I feel that such a large camp may bring security risks, and this behavior is not authorized by the school. Fourth, as the chancellor said, in March the school organized a demonstration in support of Palestine with more than 2,000 people. Obviously, this time was far less than 2,000 people. If you really want to support, you can demonstrate every day instead of building A campground with such a huge safety hazard. Fifth the chancellor twice sent letters hoping for a peaceful cessation. Apparently, many people did not know the meaning of the word "bottom line." Arrests and forced demolitions began two days after these letters were sent. These factors force me to fully support the school’s decision.
Guys it’s school policy lol it’s legit in the policy books , there is no exceptions!!! They are breaking that you can protest out side and around campus but not camping out it’s the rules , I studied night and day for an exam today and it got moved , now I’m having breakfast so thank you rioters
It's not actually, just means setting up a tent is a stupid, lazy way to protest. Your little tiny weak arms would get too tired if you had to hold up a sign.
they did not bring in the fire Marshal because of legitimate concern for safety, he was certain to say that some minor code was in violation (ie. non fire-proof sleeping bags, too many tents, etc.) UCSD brought those administrative people only to try to shut down the encampment, and at least begin removing the protestors' things. there was no chance that he would have said it's all clear.
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Problem is you eventually get vandalism and people taking over buildings. This feels like the BLM protests that started out peaceful and inevitably go too far with vandalism and destruction. The bigger the crowd and the more time it hangs around, the more likely things will get out of control.
This is not fascism. This is being told you can’t have an encampment where you control part of campus. You still have freedom of speech to do your undercover anti Jew chants.
SDSU student here but my friend said he and his girlfriend felt extremely unsafe when the police in riot gear and snipers were on campus, but when they passed by the encampment prior to it being taken down he said it seemed really chill and nice.
after canceling sun god some artists actually reached out wanting to still perform at the camps. admin called them and threatened to shut them down too if they came
I agree and am disappointed in the administration. But I’m very proud of the students who took a risk to their careers and stood up for their beliefs, I’m not affiliated with UCSD but am a successful local biotecher and I will say their actions have not gone unnoticed.
If you think this is what fascism is then you are not educated. It's disrespectful to the real victims of fascism who would have killed to have been in your situation.
Their protests are threatening basic civility on campuses across the country, especially to Jewish students who have a right like everybody else paying tuition. These protesters mostly lack an achievable goal. This is all a bunch of performative radicalism supported by many people don’t have skin in the game/simply don’t understand wtf they are chanting about. What river?! What sea?! They don’t fucking know! 😂 Global intifada; GTFO with that shit!! Bullshit virtue signaling with no effective outcome for any larger cause. If the goal of these protests was to develop sympathy, empathy for the suffering of people in Gaza, it's done almost the exact opposite. Perhaps they are capturing the heart of some brainless, spineless ne’er do wells, but if you don’t have your head straight up your ass you can clearly see this is a well thought out brainwashing campaign to smear the relationship the United States has with it’s only democratic friend in the entire middle east, and quite frankly it’s a disgusting antisemitic crusade and anti American. There are no Jews I know that don’t feel horrible for the deaths of innocent civilians in Gaza that their own “government” so clearly gives zero fucks about; complete cannon fodder to hamas.
Clearly our own country doesn’t see other races as Human.. I see our country as animals. And so are the people supporting this genocide. And we all know which ones (meaning all) but the main one. I have a 1 year old daughter and it makes me sick seeing videos of babies her age either having no limbs, no head, or just a torso..
The encampment posed no physical threat, yes, but the university HAS to remove the encampment. Failure to do so would open the university up to lawsuits from other groups barred from doing the same thing due to viewpoint discrimination.
You may support the encampment, but imagine if a group you really dislike did the same thing.
That's fair. I am okay with the encampment being cleared.
Yet I also think there is undue escalation on behalf of Kholsa and the police.
I'm rather upset they didn't do this during the weekend, when it was easier and less intrusive. Now they have a big situation on their hands, and Kholsa has no one to blame but himself.
It's a difficult decision. Clear the encampment early on when it's easier, and you will appear too forceful. Give some leeway and then clear it later, and you will require a lot more force.
Lol or you can just focus on your coursework and not pretend like it is such a black and white subject. Are you really making a change by camping on campus ? No. the war isn’t going to stop over there because abunch of rich kids in San Diego camped on campus. You are just being annoying, if you wanna go make a difference why don’t you go over there and do something meaningful? But you won’t because you just want to “fight” for something because this is the first time you’ve been away from home and you want to “rebel” every generation is the same, you aren’t doing anything special. So go focus on your classes and stop getting involved in things that you quite literally have no control over. You will look back on this and be embarrassed by yourself.
It isn't gonna make a difference, esp on a pretty gray issue. But this is way too cynical and smug. This is America and spreading awareness about issues matters. I would have loved to see people protest about the Karabakh war last year, or about the Sudan crisis. Hell, I'd love this energy with housing policy. I want more homes built. Not everyone is gonna fight other country's battles.
I don't give a shit if the protestors are being annoying. This was not the way. The camp could have been cleared on the weekend. ICE doesn't HAVE to be used (nor should it). Kholsa fucked up. Now stop shitting on activism. For all my grievances with the protestors, at least they have principles and stand up for them.
Man everyone is aware of this issue I think that a lot of these young people don't realize that it was literally a news story every day of our lives for the last 65 years
Having police is riot gear in the formations they’re holding is incredibly surreal. Whether for some reason you’re on a “side” still at this point, you should be ANGRY that this is how administration decided to “come to a solution”. It’s so sickening
What seems more surreal is when you notice the Israeli pins in police uniforms because they are IDF soldiers as well as police.
I don’t go here, I’m all the way on the east coast but this was on my home feed. But regardless of where you stand, please stay safe guys. And really tho what a great start to a Monday. Columbia main graduation cancelled and UCSD raided.
looks like it was more of a threat when they said they were "worried" about the safety of students and faculty. i am so disgusted.
Police in the US are trained to escalate. Not surprising.
Fun fact (/s), a lot of police in the US are trained by the IDF.
Yep...and they're trained by israel actually
Yeah and guess by who? There's a reason our nation supports them so vehemently. It's because they are a testing ground for the policing and surveillance technology the us government eventually uses on all of us. October 7th was a massive failure of their supposed "techniques" and they are lashing out trying to paper over that face
100%
Not only riot gear but snipers, police officers with assault weapons standing in front of peaceful protestors with their fingers in the trigger. Medics and professors arrested alongside students thrown to the ground.
Out of curiosity, do u have a picture of the snipers?
theres a picture of them on top of shs as a post on this subreddit
Oh okay thanks
This video news report also talks about the snipers: https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/police-clearing-uc-san-diego-protest-west-campus-operations-suspended/amp/
Fingers on the trigger? I guarantee none of those cops had their fingers on the trigger, this is basic gun safety. If any of the cops actually did that I guarantee they would be immediately reprimanded. Take a picture if you see it, otherwise don't spread this bullshit
Too much CoD and not enough living in the real world I think
yea thats why the cop in columbia accidentally fired a shot right? because basic gun safety training right? LOL
There were pictures on instagram
Okay, so it should be easy for you to link them. Let's see it
Show us the proof or stfu
You guarantee must not be worth much
Police in riot gear with rubber bullets AND border patrol. Why would they need 3-4 security units or border patrol who doesn't even need to be on campus. UCSD is no longer safe for undocumented students and refugees, nor do they value free speech.
Mutual aid agreements between departments so that if any one agency is overwhelmed ofher departments send their extra personnel, including federal agents like those of border patrol, who also tend to be more professional and better trained. It was border patrol guys who ended the nightmare scenario at Uvalde after realizing nobody else was going to.
But it puts undocumented students at risk, no matter if they're in the encampment or not.
Well, border patrol agents don't have undocumented student radar, they're likely acting in the same riot control role they were called in for. The greatest risk would be for an undocumented student to be arrested by any means for whatever reason, and later being turned over at some point while in custody. And I can't imagine any undocumented student willingly calling attention to themselves in such a risky manner.
Apparently undocumented students intentionally try to get deported by attacking the nearest border patrol agent -- because as has been said, border patrol agents don't automatically assume every Hispanic person is undocumented and wouldn't think anything bad of them if not given a reason to.
I thought Border Patrol is also overwhelmed.
From my experience federal agencies are almost never as shorthanded or as busy as most people are led to believe, namely due to the limited mandate and excellent benefits.
Congrats to all who are finally waking up to the heartless admins at UCSD. They erased my son’s existence as a student so why should they stop there?
Can you explain more?
My son was a student until March 2021 when he withdrew due to depression. He sadly died on campus July 2021. Admins made the conscious decision not to announce his death claiming it was not necessary because, “he wasn’t a student at the time of his death.” In reality, they blindsided us after months of drafting an announcement for the sake of PR given Aaron Fan’s on campus death in October 2021. Students are only valued for their money. inconvenience or bad PR are not tolerated by admins. They are grotesque to the very top.
I’m Really sorry to hear that. I have heard that this happens a lot with on campus deaths. They don’t want these incidents to become stories so it’s quickly swept under the rug
So sorry for your loss… 😥
Ashamed of my alma mater and how it chose violence against the protestors instead of taking their concerns seriously.
Honestly as an alumni I’m disgusted by the actions of UCSD administration. Siccing a bunch of jackboots on your own students is some power play
Someone made the call. Aka ‘shut it down’. Google the meme with that same phrase… not sure if related 🤷♂️
Why dog whistle? Many of us have spent plenty of time on 4chan, if you're going to be anti-semitic then at least own it bro.
There it is
not a student or an alum, just an sd local that has firsthand experience with direct action protests. I think it is being largely overlooked/ignored on this sub that getting arrested or facing other consequences is a very real and common consequence of participating in a direct action protest. often the expectation is that you will be at least detained at some point throughout the protest, so I just don’t understand how anyone is surprised by this outcome. not saying it’s right, just saying it seems like a lot of people had unrealistic expectations about how this would conclude
I think it’s specifically the fact that the University, an institution that endlessly pretends to be moral and just regarding to social matters, would go so fully mask off about this. It’s one thing if a local government called in riot police, but for the place that supposedly welcomes free thought and community to do some is more disheartening. Personally it’s not SURPRISING to me in the slightest since it was hard for to believe any of the bullshit the institution pretends to care about in the first place. In the end it’s always just going to be about the $$$ to them, and nothing else. It might be naive for people to react in this way, but I understand where it’s coming from.
that’s completely fair. I guess I’m just jaded from experiencing my own college’s hypocrisy. thanks for the nuanced take
Students and faculty are actually right to be surprised and incredibly disgusted that their university would deploy riot cops on them on their own campus for camping on a lawn. Not everything is about you and the times you've protested against Donald Trump, darling.
One-Adhesiveness3140 sounds like a bot name to me. two word name followed by numbers, and they are in like half the threads of the post. that said, I wasn’t protesting Trump getting elected; I was protesting SDPD’s police brutality with United Against Police Terror’s help
Nowadays I'm not sure if you can even make a custom username? I made a new reddit account a while ago and it automatically assigned me a name, I don't think I got the choice.
How come this encampment was okay?! [khoslaville](https://x.com/muironstrike/status/1592576671248703488?s=46&t=cFWIKVved77YBOJ2f8-aZA)
It has far less tents? And access to the tents isn’t blocked off by a plywood fence. It probably wasn’t ok in the eyes of the admin, but it was small enough to ignore.
Were they asked to leave a week ago and refused? That's why.
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I whole heartedly agree with this
Nobody wants police in riot gear arresting students. That was ugly. But one thing you really need to consider: While the encampment itself can be peaceful, it can also be a *target*. It you look at what happened at UCLA with a counter protest group arriving to protest the encampment and physical fights breaking out, it’s not just about whether the encampment is peaceful, but whether the campus can keep those in the encampment safe, especially as it was *continuing to grow*. As the size increases, resources are stretched should something happen. And with the tents and boards shielding everything from outside view, imagine if someone had infiltrated that peaceful group to do it harm (or cause a violent action that they then try to blame on the group) It’s not unheard of. Remember that several peaceful protests during BLM were straight up rammed with vehicles.
If that was really their issue, they would have done this on Friday, and not let the Israeli counter protesters even enter campus
How, do you propose, would they have prevented the Israeli counter protesters from entering a public campus with no gates? Would they have just lined up the same cops at the entrances instead, blocking a protest that would probably also describe themselves as peaceful, and violate their 1st amendment rights? Remember that protesting itself is not the unlawful issue, so they couldn’t block them from coming to campus
I don't have to propose anything. All I know is that if I'm not allowed to go to campus right now, they definitely shouldn't have been
Exactly.
right. so one side is trespassing while the other side isn't while both in the same space lol
It wasn't being there that was trespass. It's the establishment of an encampment. Remember a couple months ago when there was a massive Palestinian Protest that campus did not stop and in fact coordinated with and helped ensure everyone was safe in. Campus isn't against the freedom to protest but like any other freedom it isn't carte blanche to behave how you like. If you are going to engage in civil disobedience and break the law then you need to be prepared to be arrested for it. MLK was arrested multiple times for his peaceful protests which still broke the law. Thats just the way things operate.
what law does "establishment of an encampment" break?
Its California's Senate Bill 1011 specifically, banning people from camping within 500 feet of a public space such as a public school or major transit stop.
okay. thats a nice technicality to have; introduced a couple months ago to stop homeless people LOL and its not even PASSED YET from what I can see.... interesting law there. did any cops or any authority cite this "law" recently? Where did you hear about this "law"? okay lets just pretend thats real. what laws did previous student protestors break in the past that allowed cops to crack down and even kill some students?
We weren't discussing previous police crackdowns. We were talking about this encampment
where did u hear about this law and who used it?
thats funny. there's a reason why I bring up past similar situations.
Universities have the power to regulate the time, place, and manner of protests to ensure they don't interfere with the university's mission (part of which is to guarantee the safety of its students). https://www.thefire.org/news/campus-encampment-bans-rarely-violate-first-amendment-heres-why
When you convert public space to your personal use to the detriment of its intended use, it's a trespass. If I lend you my car to go to the store, but you use it to go off road racing, it is a trespass to my chattel. It's a similar concept.
hilarious. i love going to school and taking classes in your car as I pay tuition for your car. whats the next excuse after this one? i forget the script sometimes.
So those Israeli protesters do not have the same rights as your protesters?
Thus flew over your head. If their issue really was safety, they would have used this same level of force right from the beginning or when the Israeli counter protest showed up.
UCLA is smack dab in the middle of one of the largest mizrahi Jewish communities outside of Israel. 90% of mizrahi Jews live in Israel. All of the thousands of mizrahi Jews in LA have family and friends in Israel in the IDF and don’t take kindly to being accused of wanting to kill babies like the ayatollahs used to do in places like Iran instigating riots against us.
You can be against the US Military Complex and still thank a veteran for their service. Same way I can condemn Israel for their blatant attacks on civilian life and still greet my Jewish neighbor with a smile and open arms.
Tell me what you think Israel should have done after 10/7 while Hamas held hostages while simultaneously firing missiles into Israel from civilian structures? Are you really expecting Israel not to respond to missile fire? Honest question.
Pure imagination, supported by absolutely zero facts and based on nothing but your own baseless speculation. In reality, UCPD stood by while students and faculty at UCLA were brutally attacked for hours. It's clear they have no interest in keeping students or faculty safe if they are demonstrators on that campus, and there is NO reason to think they give a shit here.
It seems more like you were just completely consumed by a narrative that you've made up in your head and so are determined to view yourself and others as oppressed as humanly possible
This is a good point I hadn’t considered. I don’t think it excuses escalating to arrests but I do think this is something very worth keeping in mind.
We need to protect the protesters from being attacked by sending the cops to attack them instead. Makes perfect sense if you don’t think about it.
they cant arrest all of us.
You get out there and show'em bud
Putting aside personal opinions and feelings on the topic of those involved, this was going to happen. Sure, this time it might have been an encampment of people in your favor but if this was repeatedly allowed it could have been an encampment of Sister Cindy types etc. It was also way too many randos who clearly weren’t even students. If anything I think doing this right after Sungod was lame, should have just gotten it over with ASAP if thats what was going to happen
No it was not "inevitable". Why was it descalated succesfully at UC Riverside?
Because UCR just gave in to all of there demands. That’s not a long term solution to dealing with protesters though
Even then UCR didnt really do anything, they just promised to form a committee about forming a committee and pretty much got the protesters to cease by actually doing nothing.
There’s nothing more American than students exercising their constitutional right to assemble and redress their grievances with their government. There’s nothing more fascist than cops and right wing agitators attacking and beating students to protect a wannabe dictator 5,000 miles away.
I honestly think police riot gear is a precaution. The day the encampment was set up the people were told they were not allowed to have tents. That's the only reason people are being arrested. You can still have signs, banners, large groups of chanting people, you just can't have tents.
People really think a cop is going to go near hundreds of people without the proper gear to handle a crowd of this size. All it takes is for one protestor to get wild and violent and dozens of people could get hurt or killed. You bring more than what you need, not less.
Right, exactly
Welcome to Joe Bidens America
🙄 if you want to side with murderers, rapists, Islamists, homophobes, do it somewhere else
I am so happy they tore the encampment down.
Would students feel like their rights were being violated if a group decided to have a week-long camping trip on rimmac field and then refused to move after being notified repeatedly that they were in violation of established campus rules? I see posts on here all the time talking about how students see unhoused individuals who are not students spending time in the price center, would people feel as outraged if a homeless encampment became established on campus and this happened after a week of refusing the move? Whose idea was the encampment anyway? We saw what chancellors at other campuses were willing to do in response to encampments, and we also have seen successful and entirely peaceful protests/marches at UCSD in the last year NOT result in riot police and arrests. The first amendment doesn’t protect you from doing whatever you want just because you happen to be engaging in public speech protected by the first amendment.
Well, you're right. Is this sub not moderated? Why do we have so many disgusting genocide apologizers here openly campaigning for more violence against UCSD students?
Btw I refuse to engage with people replying because the fact that they can talk about “free speech” and in the same breath make fun of protesters is just completely insane.
The thing that saddens me about this as an alum is that every single student who acts like that is a failure of our university to properly educate the community
You're literally asking for reddit mods to come in and squash free speech, when the post is angry that their perceived free speech was violated? That's a joke right? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Holy 🤦
Is it legal to camp on the UCSD grounds?
Is supplying weapons in violation of the Leahy law legal? Is supplying weapons to a country armed with nukes but who has refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty legal? it appears legality is thrown to the wind when it means keeping the war machine going, but god forbid you ask for it to stop by peacefully occupying a space.
What about … (million other things). Any factual comments about rules and regulations of UCSD? They still allowed to protest any place without disrupting services and camping.
you made an appeal to legality which is hypocritical in the context of this issue, if you dont care to address the violations of the law on the other side, which preceded the encampments, I dont see why I need to comment on UCSD rules, have a good day.
The answers to your questions are No, and Yes, provided the weapons are not nuclear weapons. Hope this helps.
1) In a strict sense no, but there’s enough wiggle room there that sending weapons to Israel doesn’t violate the Leahy law. 2) The only law there is there prevents transferring nuclear materials to Israel, has no enforcement on weapons.
Yes and no. It should be somewhat legal insofar as UCSD’s supposed to be public property. It’s not legal bc the state of California’s decided it’s okay to treat it and enforce laws on it, as if it is not public property. So it’s not legal, but the basis on which it’s not legal is a violation of federal law
I'm sympathetic to the protestors cause. Can someone explain why the cops showing up in riot gear is an escalation though? What else should the administration have done realistically? If the protestors were just peacefully marching I'd get it but they're setting up tents on land which they don't own. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they were restricting access to the land they're camping on as well. The protestors have the responsibility of being accountable for the crime they commit.
they should have just left them alone and ignored them, the first rule of engagement with rebel (I use this word literally, as in rebellion, purely bc I can't think of another) groups is not to make martyrs and to let them wear themselves out. that's why people say peaceful protest is ineffective because it can just kind of be... ignored. Imagine if they were just camping out there for the rest of this month, maybe an occasional news report on them, and then in June the quarter would end and there wouldn't really be any point for them to continue. It would have simply just fizzled out if UCSD hadn't escalated (and I do believe that our secluded la Jolla campus, a minimum 20+ minute commute w/parking from off campus, wouldn't face violent counter protests like in other unis had they just ignored the encampment)
100% agree. I don't care what they stand for but I do support a peaceful protest. I believe praying and a crochet workshop was on the agenda today... seriously. Campus just couldn't just let it go. They had to kick the bees nest 🙄
They were camping illegally. The police have a right to show up ANYWHERE this happens
It doesnt seem like you have seen the encampment, it was a TINY patch of grass off the street like many others sprinkled around UCSD and was set up to get the administration to rethink collaboration and funding of a state in breach of a UN security council resolution. Sure you may use force to clear the camp and arrest your own students but it should be a last resort. In this case there was no attempt at dialogue from the administration and jumped straight to violence after day 5. Sad.
I have seen the encampment many times and talked to people there. I agree this encampment wasn't blocking anyone from going to classes like in other colleges. I'm referring to the fact they're taking land which doesn't belong to them and essentially enforcing security within that area as if they're the owner. The framing most people including your comment seems to adopt is that just because you believe the protest is morally good and correct then you can a free pass from accountability. Feel free to correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you're saying. Like I said in another comment if admin starts negotiating then they're setting a precedent for future demonstrations setting up encampments that they will listen to their demands. That's just creating more problems.
I am not saying that you get a free pass from accountability, what I am saying and where we seem to disagree is that civil disobedience and protests do and have in many situations in the past led to positive changes (thankfully) and that negotiating in good faith is what helps us to evolve as a society. I do not see opening the door to more negotiations and more change as a bad thing (for women's right, for under-represented communities, for people with disabilities...). Maybe not all demands are met but listening and considering ways to address the concerns, that's how you deal with today's and tomorrow's problems. Edit: of course all of the above is moot when you are dealing with an administration or a person in a position of power refuse to have those conversation then the subject of morality arises. How far are you willing to go to bring about change? Some remain idle and some take the risk of being arrested as a form or protest. The powerful have an array of means to enforce their rules but that doesn't make them right. Only time will tell if the price the student pay (accountability) will make others think and join the movement.
Why are they in riot gear? Says the hordes of people screaming fuck the police, death to pigs, fuck you and throwing things all while hiding their face with masks. Mob mentality takes over real quick.
I think the administration should have agreed to meet with the protesters and discussed their concerns
Why? Literally why do they owe them that? What a lot of you don't understand is leverage. The protesters have zero leverage in this situation.
This is the world you want for your children? Where universities send cops after their own students for camping on a lawn? Some mother you are
You think admin has an obligation to negotiate with protestors just because they're camping illegally? If administration sets the precedent they will negotiate with people making demands like this there's no going back. Let's say a month from now some other random political protest group sets up an encampment, then if admin doesn't negotiate it looks like favoritism and endorsement of the other group.
Communication is and diplomacy is better than violence and physical force. Even if they know their final answer will be no, people usually protest because they feel unheard and that they have no other way of communicating effectively with authority. Is there a forum for discussing these types of issues with administration? I haven’t really looked into it. I’m not trying to start a heated debate here. I agree that the university shouldn’t just give into demands because people are threatening to continue doing something illegal, and setting that precedent would be bad. We do need better communication between the students and the administration
The protesters also are not attempting a diplomatic resolution. It goes both ways. If they want divestment, it starts with those who are investing into the institution. People don't get that. The protests of BLM and Occupy never changed anything- it was those who arranged organizations to go and speak with those of authority, signing petitions, etc. that brought change- and those changes take a long time. Those things aren't as easy to do when it's an international affair, but the solution starts with us.
Except admin didn't even speak with protest organizers. They just sent in police.
protest go hand in hand with those other forms of change that u mentioned who do u think is going to lobby, ask for signatures, etc lol
If they are on the frontlines in a protest, they are definitely not having the time doing the real work. I've witnessed 30 years of protests and know that the people bringing changes don't step foot on the same grounds as protestors. They are actually working. Protests occur out of helplessness. Activism occurs out of determination for change.
I'm glad you guys are correctly identifying fascism. It's a very important step in fighting back. Fascism relies on lies and deception to maintain itself, it needs to manipulate people to agree to its base principles, because they don't stand up to the scrutiny of logic and reason. Keep fighting and you'll win.
> UC San Diego Police reported 64 arrests during the event. The university said 40 of those were students while 24 were unaffiliated or their relationship to the university unknown at this time. I wonder if the outsiders came in with the intent to escalate. [https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/police-clearing-uc-san-diego-protest-west-campus-operations-suspended/](https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/police-clearing-uc-san-diego-protest-west-campus-operations-suspended/)
The encampment was pretty chill until this morning. Just sayin'
This is what fascism looks like
It literally doesn’t look like this
Thoughts on tiananmen illegal encampment?
Hahahaha wow, un real hahahaha, no way no way. You think those are even in the same universe. Omg. Your own little tank man at ucsd. Wow
So was the Chinse government justified in suppressing the peaceful encampment at tiananmen if instead of the army they brought in riot police? You sounds like you would cheer if the state brought in the tanks to clear out the student protestors. Morons. Tell me what is the difference? Or do you want the student to risk their life by resisting arrest with rocks and molotov cocktails? Or are you a chinese bot? Maybe you think tiananmen happened in a different universe than this one. Didn't know we still have tankies.
Lol they brought that up in my thread.
No, fascism absolutely does not look like this.
Idiots go to college and this is proof of that
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I‘m curious about why the chancellor said in the first letter about the protesters' promise not to expand the encampments. This also became one of his excuses to use the police. If the organizers did agree to the chancellor's request, then I think this action goes against their original intentions. Second, I object to you simply labeling this behavior as fascism. I think you do not understand what fascism is. Rather, such an anti-Israel movement is likely to develop into an anti-Semitic movement. It's fascist. Third, I think my campus life has been disturbed. I feel that such a large camp may bring security risks, and this behavior is not authorized by the school. Fourth, as the chancellor said, in March the school organized a demonstration in support of Palestine with more than 2,000 people. Obviously, this time was far less than 2,000 people. If you really want to support, you can demonstrate every day instead of building A campground with such a huge safety hazard. Fifth the chancellor twice sent letters hoping for a peaceful cessation. Apparently, many people did not know the meaning of the word "bottom line." Arrests and forced demolitions began two days after these letters were sent. These factors force me to fully support the school’s decision.
Guys it’s school policy lol it’s legit in the policy books , there is no exceptions!!! They are breaking that you can protest out side and around campus but not camping out it’s the rules , I studied night and day for an exam today and it got moved , now I’m having breakfast so thank you rioters
"Guys slavery is legal..."
Pretty sure just standing with signs is perfectly protected. The unlawful part is the tents, and I'm not sure how those were necessary.
"Slavery is perfectly protected, legal institution..."
You're right, not being able to set up a tent wherever you feel is morally equivalent to being a slave.
Setting up a tent protest against the institution of slavery is different than "setting up a tent wherever you feel."
It's not actually, just means setting up a tent is a stupid, lazy way to protest. Your little tiny weak arms would get too tired if you had to hold up a sign.
Lol you clearly don’t go to ucsd with comments like that 😂 go back to city college
"You are clearly not a slave owner..."
Maybe y’all should have just let the fire marshal in to inspect and he would have said it was all good.
they did not bring in the fire Marshal because of legitimate concern for safety, he was certain to say that some minor code was in violation (ie. non fire-proof sleeping bags, too many tents, etc.) UCSD brought those administrative people only to try to shut down the encampment, and at least begin removing the protestors' things. there was no chance that he would have said it's all clear.
What is happening right now? 2:30pm? Are police still on campus?
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Anyone know if fah building is opening now?
It’s time to start ousting the regents!
Problem is you eventually get vandalism and people taking over buildings. This feels like the BLM protests that started out peaceful and inevitably go too far with vandalism and destruction. The bigger the crowd and the more time it hangs around, the more likely things will get out of control.
100% agree OP. There are a ton of extreme zionists in the faculty and in admin.
>this hate group that routinely posts hate has never made me feel unsafe Try considering other people's feelings
This is not fascism. This is being told you can’t have an encampment where you control part of campus. You still have freedom of speech to do your undercover anti Jew chants.
Are they in violation of California ordinance 11.69? I’m not sure. I see the lamps at night.
And they wonder why alumni don’t donate…
SDSU student here but my friend said he and his girlfriend felt extremely unsafe when the police in riot gear and snipers were on campus, but when they passed by the encampment prior to it being taken down he said it seemed really chill and nice.
Fascism. Okay buddy that is a bit much.
after canceling sun god some artists actually reached out wanting to still perform at the camps. admin called them and threatened to shut them down too if they came
I guess making checkpoints probably wasn't the best idea
Seriously, the administration should resign.
I agree and am disappointed in the administration. But I’m very proud of the students who took a risk to their careers and stood up for their beliefs, I’m not affiliated with UCSD but am a successful local biotecher and I will say their actions have not gone unnoticed.
If you think this is what fascism is then you are not educated. It's disrespectful to the real victims of fascism who would have killed to have been in your situation.
Fascism 🤣🤣🤣
So if I occupy anyone’s house should they be required to negotiate with me? That will be a terrible precedent that will result in dire consequences.
Why were the protestors deserving of a discussion? I don’t understand this thinking.
Hehehehehhe. You kids. You have no idea how hard it was fighting for your right to party. But we made serious sacrifices for y’all’s!
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Oh boo hoo
Their protests are threatening basic civility on campuses across the country, especially to Jewish students who have a right like everybody else paying tuition. These protesters mostly lack an achievable goal. This is all a bunch of performative radicalism supported by many people don’t have skin in the game/simply don’t understand wtf they are chanting about. What river?! What sea?! They don’t fucking know! 😂 Global intifada; GTFO with that shit!! Bullshit virtue signaling with no effective outcome for any larger cause. If the goal of these protests was to develop sympathy, empathy for the suffering of people in Gaza, it's done almost the exact opposite. Perhaps they are capturing the heart of some brainless, spineless ne’er do wells, but if you don’t have your head straight up your ass you can clearly see this is a well thought out brainwashing campaign to smear the relationship the United States has with it’s only democratic friend in the entire middle east, and quite frankly it’s a disgusting antisemitic crusade and anti American. There are no Jews I know that don’t feel horrible for the deaths of innocent civilians in Gaza that their own “government” so clearly gives zero fucks about; complete cannon fodder to hamas.
Clearly our own country doesn’t see other races as Human.. I see our country as animals. And so are the people supporting this genocide. And we all know which ones (meaning all) but the main one. I have a 1 year old daughter and it makes me sick seeing videos of babies her age either having no limbs, no head, or just a torso..
finally someone from this ridiculous ass school isn’t just instantly conforming to whatever they get told, you guys are smth else😂 good on you OP
Out of genuine curiosity, how does camping outside a college campus save people from being killed?
Comunisum
The encampment posed no physical threat, yes, but the university HAS to remove the encampment. Failure to do so would open the university up to lawsuits from other groups barred from doing the same thing due to viewpoint discrimination. You may support the encampment, but imagine if a group you really dislike did the same thing.
That's fair. I am okay with the encampment being cleared. Yet I also think there is undue escalation on behalf of Kholsa and the police. I'm rather upset they didn't do this during the weekend, when it was easier and less intrusive. Now they have a big situation on their hands, and Kholsa has no one to blame but himself.
It's a difficult decision. Clear the encampment early on when it's easier, and you will appear too forceful. Give some leeway and then clear it later, and you will require a lot more force.
True enough. I think Kholsa handled it pretty poorly. I'm reading that the sheriffs were violent and it did not need to be carried out this way.
Lol or you can just focus on your coursework and not pretend like it is such a black and white subject. Are you really making a change by camping on campus ? No. the war isn’t going to stop over there because abunch of rich kids in San Diego camped on campus. You are just being annoying, if you wanna go make a difference why don’t you go over there and do something meaningful? But you won’t because you just want to “fight” for something because this is the first time you’ve been away from home and you want to “rebel” every generation is the same, you aren’t doing anything special. So go focus on your classes and stop getting involved in things that you quite literally have no control over. You will look back on this and be embarrassed by yourself.
It isn't gonna make a difference, esp on a pretty gray issue. But this is way too cynical and smug. This is America and spreading awareness about issues matters. I would have loved to see people protest about the Karabakh war last year, or about the Sudan crisis. Hell, I'd love this energy with housing policy. I want more homes built. Not everyone is gonna fight other country's battles. I don't give a shit if the protestors are being annoying. This was not the way. The camp could have been cleared on the weekend. ICE doesn't HAVE to be used (nor should it). Kholsa fucked up. Now stop shitting on activism. For all my grievances with the protestors, at least they have principles and stand up for them.
Man everyone is aware of this issue I think that a lot of these young people don't realize that it was literally a news story every day of our lives for the last 65 years