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I think it's worth reflecting on this moment and the fact that Dave Grusch will be at the same event as these very recent high ranking military officials, when he was supposed to be discredited and ignored based on all common sense and logical expectations of anyone skeptical about this topic.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cj8i0q/the_whistleblower_who_says_us_military_is_in/l2e7d73/
Had to lookup what Mark Milley his title actually means, well dang:
>The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS) is the presiding officer of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS). The chairman is the highest-ranking and most senior military officer in the United States Armed Forces[2] and the principal military advisor to the president, the National Security Council,[3] the Homeland Security Council,[3] and the secretary of defense
This dude is literally the real life man that Hollywood tries to idealize as being the presidents right hand war-guy that knows all of the craziest tricks and tactics. Honestly this guy probably knows more than Biden.
I get the feeling Biden doesn’t have NHI on his mind and NHI isn’t a pressing issue at this time. I think it’s possible NHI came and went but left something behind that is important.
That's an interesting possibility. Say you're correct and the government kept it secret and then after 80 years tell us it was a one time thing, we have one item and no big deal but aliens are real. Who would believe that's all they know? Who would believe that's all they have?
I don’t know how that would work. I suppose my my theory is kind of stupid honestly. I have no idea what is going on. I do think Grusch and Marco Rubio and others are telling the truth about serious people coming to them with stories of alien craft and various claims related to NHI. It’s unsettling. What is the point of lying to someone like the inspector general. I really just want to know and what I said earlier was strange from me to say honestly. A little off for me
Wait, a career military officer, who is the highest ranked man in the military, knows more than a civilian politician when it comes to war and combat?
Gosh.
Mark Milley was all over the news when Trump was president and then the later spats they had with each other. If you're not American, you get a pass, but every American here should know who he is.
Gen. Milley was the one who independently called China after the 2020 election—possibly just after Jan. 6th, I think—to alleviate any concerns Xi might have had that Trump would be able to launch “special weapons” if he refused to accept having lost the election.
Yea, made me sad to realize there are people who don’t know who he is or know what the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is, but if they’re not American I can understand.
Not particularly pertaining to this discussion, but a guy on Twitter goes around asking whatever generation of let's say 16-30 year olds random yet simple questions that everyone in America and most outside of the States should know the answer to without a shred of doubt. One question asked to a girl in college was "How long does the president serve?" Her answer, after framing the question 2 or 3 times to where she could understand he was looking for an amount of time was "1 hour?" I very highly doubt more than %2 of the population knows who the Joint Chiefs of Staff is or what they do....
Edit* Side Note this was just one example of a simple question. The entire 30 minute episode was just one gold nugget after another showing how badly this country needs, honestly I don't even know what it needs to be repaired. So many issues compounding and adding up and pure selfishness are driving the United States straight into the Shitt#r.
There are a bunch of YouTubers who do this on college campuses. We’re doomed, basically. I just read that IQ’s have dropped in the US for the first time ever. Not surprised. Even back when I was in college, they had to give remedial high school math classes (🤦🏻♀️). I went to a store recently and paid cash and the cashier *could not count change*. This person was not obviously impaired, disabled or an immigrant new to US currency. My doctor just warned me to check that my prescriptions have my name and the right medicine to match the label, because she’s had several patients with different pharmacies who got poisoned by someone else’s drugs! It’s pretty much terrifying.
The US could start with catching up everyone up to minimal 5th-7th grade standards for math and literacy, and then go from there. Then we can get to advanced stuff like…the name of the current president.
I’d be surprised if 25% of adults in the US even know who their senators or representatives are.
~~As both a skeptic and a political junkie, even I’ll admit that this is a **BIG** deal. Esper & Milley are two of the most respected names in the US government.~~
~~Milly especially. He is a hardened, calling-out-bullshit kind of guy who I’d be intimidated by simply sitting across a chessboard from. To think about him even *entertaining* the thought of aliens is astounding.~~
~~Based on his involvement alone, this could end up being a defining moment for disclosure.~~
**EDIT**: I’m seeing now that Esper & Milley are **NOT** part of a “Non-human intelligence” discussion, and are there for issues more relevant to their respective fields. **OPs image is VERY misleading.** I retract my above analysis.
OPs caption says the David Grusch is at the same event with these military bigwigs; doesn't say they are presenting on same or even related topics. Also, in the image, you see only Grusch pictured for speaker under NHI topic
Seems that all the Day 1 info is cut off at the top. Grusch pictured with Esper and Milley seems to be a reference to the first day's topic(s). It also seems that any additional Day 2 details are also cut off.
When I read it I didn't assume OP was implying the others were talking about the same things as Grusch, but that they were just pointing out how Grusch would be speaking at the same event. That's kind of a big deal to me. For him to have the same audience as Milley seems like something worth telling people about.
Per the video of miss south carolina messing up a question that was just in my feed, 20% of americans can't even find the good ol US of A on a world map.
Haven't you seen him in photos or TV before? I'm surprised people aren't familiar with that position. It's always the army-looking guy who advises the President in action/sci-fi/thriller movies.
So the guy that says, "Sir, um, there's something you should know... we actually did know about the aliens." As the invasion begins and audience scratches their head thinking why these idiots didn't tell anyone.
If NHI is a non issue in the eyes of the DoD. Then what in gods name do they have in the garage to negate that fear or instinctual need to have a bigger stick in order to be safe?
I guess we’ll find out. This is an event where entrepreneurs solicit capital for their pet projects. Grusch has said he wants to start his own foundation of some sort to investigate UAPs and NHI. We’ll see if people take the bait.
Being with one doesn’t mean he can’t be with others.
Since i and many others trully believe him, the more exposure he gets the better. Maybe more eyes and minds will open to the reality surrounding us.
Ok that is the issue that Grush had in the first place, there is no oversight of spending,no congresioanl oversight at all, Where is the money comming from and where is it going ? And it's crazy dangerous for our service people.
I wonder if it has something to do with the reason behind AARO saying there's no videos because of equipment malfunction while a FOIA request says there are videos but they're classified
Because idiots and their money are quickly parted when given the opportunity. Grifters going to grift.
For funsies, let's pretend this guy gets funding for some UAP venture. Let's say he actually gets evidence of NHI, what do you think the government will do? Now let's say he doesn't find anything, what do you think he will claim the government did?
The answer to both is "they took our evidence", likely claiming a shadow government or some bullshit.
I would love nothing more than to know life exists outside of our planet before I die, but I doubt it. Some grifter isn't going to be the one to prove me wrong either.
It's funny how both sides look at this. We see it as more of a validation of Grusch while anti-UAP twitter sees it as confirmation that Grusch is grifting. The way two different sides of the aisle view the exact same information completely different is kind of fascinating.
One of the often repeated memes is that higher ups in the Pentagon are insulated from the topic for purposes of plausible deniability. This could cut right through that.
How can they be insulated as a "higher up" without having gone through the lower ranks? Unless there's an unmentioned branch of the officer corps who are all in dead-end careers dealing with aliens to prevent any future Joint Chiefs from finding out.
You sell hand-knitted scarves at a craft fair? That’s grifting.
Tutoring math for extra cash? Definitely grifting.
Charging for pet sitting during vacation? Also grifting.
You give guitar lessons on weekends? Clear case of grifting.
You publish a collection of poems and charge for it? That’s grifting too.
You baked cookies and sell them at a local market? Believe it or not, that’s grifting.
Basically, anything where you earn money for your abilities or knowledge is grifting.
The issue lies with the inherent conflict of interest. As long as they don't disclose, they're able to keep promising and raise money in the meantime. Someone selling stock or assets, taking out loans, or working a job to fund their research/endeavours doesn't have that conflict.
Or there's those of us who are awaiting actual evidence. People can, after all, say anything. Even under oath. That's why we have science: to determine the truth.
I keep posting this but whatever, it’s true: science will never be the vehicle that gets us to the bottom of UAP — at least not empiricism and hypothesis based science. The reason is that UAP, unlike any other phenomena ever studied, must be assumed to be intelligently evading our best efforts at studying it.* Thereby negating an empirical approach. Such an assumption is a get out of jail free card if you’re doing observation based science, and is therefore a nonstarter. The formal study of UAP is therefore an epistemological dead end.
*the search for intelligent life is unlike the search for any other phenomena precisely because said phenomena is intelligent, and therefore cannot be expected to submit to observation by virtue of its relative stupidity or lack of consciousness (ie, cosmological phenomena).
To be fair, the SALT Conference is the creation of Anthony "The Mooch" Scaramucci, who isn't exactly the cleanest guy in the room.
Granted, the list of presenters should speak for itself, but I could see why some people would look at this and cry fowl.
[https://www.salt.org/event-speakers/2024-new-york](https://www.salt.org/event-speakers/2024-new-york)
I think it's worth reflecting on this moment and the fact that Dave Grusch will be at the same event as these very recent high ranking military officials, when he was supposed to be discredited and ignored based on all common sense and logical expectations of anyone skeptical about this topic.
Esper is there in his role as a venture capitalist with Red Cell Partners and Milley is there in his role as a financial advisor for Chase. These guys are there about money. They certainly are not there to chat with Grusch or about Grusch. Why are people acting like they are also there to talk about aliens or will even talk to Grusch? How does their appearance validate him? Is the theory that they invited them or?
How does Grusch getting paid big bucks to chat at a private financial conference show he is not discredited? I mean, Scarmucci is there - not exactly a credible guy in the eye of the public.
I think OP is saying that having both the former Secretary of Defense and the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff participating in an event where David G is presenting is significant.
I agree
They are scheduled to speak at different times though, and possibly different topics.
**Mark Esper:** Evaluating Threats to America, Foreign and Domestic: A Conversation with Secretary Mark Esper
**Mark Milley:** New World Disorder: A Conversation with General Mark Milley
If you read their website, it looks like the main point of these conferences is to help people do specialized networking. So it's more than just interesting optics, potentially--it's a chance for Grusch to get some face time with these guys, hopefully.
Unfortunately, this might be what pushes disclosure, private interests, and money.
Coulhart has stated corporations have been lobbying congress behind the scenes as they want access to the tech.
It's still so out of place to have nhi as a topic at an alternatives investment conference, all the other topics are typical investment conference topics
The amount of comments I see on reddit making fun of people who are saying foul play is involved by Boeing is insane. Constantly calling them crazy conspiracy theorists. They have no fucking idea the extent of this shit and it’s wild to see how blind most people are to how controlled everything is.
There are whistleblowers and “whistleblowers”. The Boeing whistleblowers were killed. Edward Snowden had to flee the country with the FBI and NSA chasing him. Chelsea Manning was sentenced to 35 years in prison.
Grusch whistleblew **to the ICIG**, which is the *appropriate authority* according to his chain of command.
David Grusch is an **internal** whistleblower. Following established protocols and procedures.
Chelsea Manning/Snowden/etc are *public-facing* whistleblowers. They had to flee/etc because they **did not** follow the P&Ps.
This is really not a difficult concept to understand.
I don’t think anyone with common sense or logical thinking thought that Grusch was anything but legitimate in the first place. There are a lot of trolls in the communities that discuss things that are kept from the general public. This, the stock market and economy in general. You start to see the patterns.
Until I don’t see hard evidence of anything this is just disinformation, obfuscation, psyops,… so far we only have bla bla bla … I am an ex bla bla bla … and more bla bla bla … if there was any substance we would have serious leaks an someone coming with hard evidences like some metal which cannot be found on this planet and it is manufactured.
And again I want to remember that this seems to be a USA only thing. Do you believe that in a country as corrupted as Russia if they had alien evidence they wouldn’t have sold already?
So, based on this very simple logical reasoning I can say that it is very unlikely that there is anything from out of space
How there is concerted disinfo and misinfo put out to muddy the waters in communities that start to scratch the surface of what’s going on. And when they do, and the efforts to stem that discovery roll out, the general public remains largely in the dark. 99% of people don’t understand why 2008 happened and if you try to explain it to them they get conspiracy theory vibes. That’s how good the public perception campaigns are. The truth isn’t the truth as is presented to the public. Idk where the line is drawn but I know that what we see is what we’re meant to see, more or less.
People like to shit so much in Tom Delonge because of his personality or the fact he's a "punk rockstar", however when the Podesta emails were leaked by Russian hackers in an effort (successful BTW) to tamper with American elections..
*His name was in the emails.*
Tom Delonge had exchanges with high ranking members of the military like generals (McCasland) and was frantically exchanging information through a IC channel talking about "our friends from another dimension" to "help us develop zero point energy". If you have followed The Why Files or other pop culture UFO YouTube channels, Zero Point Energy is what supposedly UFOs use to "fly" around our plane, an infinite source of energy that draws power from nothing, from the "background weave" of reality. Hall Puthoff was interviewed about this source of energy like 30 years ago and said the same arguments Delonge has echoed in interviews with Joe Rogan and the likes. Then Puthoff name gets mentioned in the emails and everything "connects", however most people seem oblivious to this information.
Delonge has no business being in those emails **unless** he was telling the truth. If a crack pipe fell from Joe Biden's jacket the moment he leans to kiss a kid on the forehead the world wouldn't waste a second saying the US president is a crackhead, however Delonge tells an impossible history about ETs feeding of people's negative feelings and talking with high level generals about interdimensional beings and craft and when his story gets validated through Podesta's emails in the same way the falling crack pipe would validate Biden as a drug addict, nobody bats an eye. No headlines, no reporters addressing their audience with a recap of Delonge's claims and how they could now be true, no nothing.
Even if he was confirmed legit by those emails "people" in this very sub (because you know) still say he's either confused or exaggerating, even if his claims aren't much different from Grusch's when he states UAPs aren't extraterrestrial but rather interdimensional.
Reminding everyone that real national security issues exist along with NHI and keeping secrets includes keeping our enemies guessing about involvement with NHI. Disclosure can’t come at the expense of our safety and our security can’t come at the expense of our right to determine our destiny. This is why it will be painfully slow and frustrating. This is why we must keep the pressure on the MIC
Imagine the life of these guys swanning around saying they know all kinds of secrets that just can’t be told, but picking up 100 grand here and there for their presentations and speeches at conferences etc
One of the greatest deceptions over multiple decades that we’ve seen.
These guys are playing to the simple fact that anything you ask the military about, they will always neither confirm or deny.
So if you asked them if the King of England is a Martian, they will “not comment” rather than tell you that you’re a dummy…
And all of the believers will be “wow the king of England is a Martian? Who would’ve guessed?” …. Dummies
This is a little misleading. This makes it look like Milley and Esper are talking about NHI. They’re not.
There are over 80 speakers.
Among them are congressman, government employees, finance workers, an UAE prince, doctors, scientists, etc
> SALT is a global investment platform connecting institutional asset owners with asset managers and technology entrepreneurs.
Basically this is a conference where the Doers and Knowers of things can get a chance to pitch their ideas to the purse holders.
There’s over 80 speakers and they’re all discussing a variety of different issues that they see as problems “we”, the collective we of society, need to solve or work towards solving
Really wouldn’t be surprised at all if an asset manager snatched up Grusch. He has insights which are classified into what companies could be bleeding edge long term in certain sectors.
I'll never not find this whole situation hilarious.
Some people in the UFO community have opened their minds to such an extent that any capacity for critical thinking is completely gone and they're now looking up to literal intelligence agency spooks for "confirmation".
Yet here I was thinking people would look at this and maybe realize how gullible they've been and how ridiculous putting their faith on some shady flat-top with no credibility or proof who served and serves the very people responsible for all the secrecy, but they're actually like "Oh my gawwd look at Grusch speaking alongside those high ranking G-Men, that means he is credible! He MUST be telling the truth!!!"
I feel like there needs to be a qualifier here. This post makes it seem like Milley and Esper are going to be on stage at the same time as Grusch. Now I don’t doubt he’s going to try to talk to them there though.
Because the people attempting to discredit this are illogical at best, driven by blind belligerent denial often fueled by religious or “scientific” (technically religious just a different type that claims to hold proof there is no God) beliefs which can no more be proven than this phenomenon can.
lol this is the description of the conference: “SALT is a global investment platform connecting institutional asset owners with asset managers and technology entrepreneurs.”
This is a great job of framing ambiguity to make David seem more legit than he is. I hope everyone has the basic media literacy skills to make this determination for themselves. If not, I suggest you brush up on your basic critical thinking and media literacy skills.
If the government won’t disclose, whistleblowers won’t spill the actual proof, and the aliens/beings won’t reveal themselves, then throwing an absolute shit ton of private money at the problem is the best scenario I see left 🤣
Well, i mean that’s what a good portion of people do on these subs right? Talk shit, look like clowns trying to discredit everything and anyone etc. tons of dipshits out there with cell phones chirping in their two cents without knowing wtf they’re even talking about, trolling.. etc.
I never doubted Grusch for a second. Ever.
What’s to think about, a high ranking government official said the government was lying about something. Would t be the first nor the last time they lie
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Ok, these are, or were, important people. I’m not sure why them being on the same conference would add/remove credibility. After all, a bunch of Russian sympathizers hold conferences called CPAC, where lots of people talk, and none have credibility.
Miley paid his dues and had his come to Jeeziz time in the barrel. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt now that he’s seen the light and is on board.
I think those waiting patiently on his op-ed will be miffed that some rich folks may be getting the run on them.
I don't grudge Grush making some additional cash after what he has been through but the optics are not great.
Pretty weird that I haven’t seen anyone mention yet that Garry Nolan spoke at the 2023 SALT conference. About extraterrestrials.
https://youtu.be/e2DqdOw6Uy4
If your goal is to get an interesting speaker who has spoken to congress then inviting him makes sense. Inviting him doesn't validate any of his unproven claims.
People seem to have forgotten Mark Miley denied the claims Grusch made publicly while still in service. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/aug/6/joint-chiefs-chair-mark-milley-claims-alien-recove/
I don't see this page on the Salt website, the link leads to a page listing the speakers but not events. There's a search box but inputting "Non-Human Intelligence and Earth" yielded no results.
Actual link to the page pictured above, please?
And it's only 20 minutes? Is it a "meet and greet" or something?
The fact that he’s involved in intelligence AND just happened to seek out two high profile grifters in the community (Corbell and Knapp) keeps me skeptical of Grusch. He’s either after a new career in milking rubes, or he’s continuing the intelligence community’s penchant for using UFOs and the community at large to discredit any attempts to dig into the misuse of public funds.
There hasn’t been one shred of evidence as to the existence of aliens. However, we know for a fact that the UFOs were one of the ways in which the development of experimental technology was kept secret. So either the government have these craft that are entirely man-made, or there are no craft and the whole thing is a way to hand over billions in public money to independent contractors. The latter is the most believable, and easily explains the MIC’s pushback on the issue. They’re thieving bastards and will do anything to hide it.
Yeah, and? Why does that say anything at all? Different keynote speakers doesn't necessarily have anything to do with each others just because they deliver from the same stage. They're not there for the same issues. Or am I missing something here?
I was once in the same room as Don Cheadle, Chadwick Boseman, Shaquille O’Neal and Zlatan Ibrahimovic.
I’m not an actor or athlete, I was just there through coincidence.
I have no idea what the relevance of these speakers has to do in terms of the credibility of Grusch’s claims?
He’s literally speaking at a conference where other people are also speaking. I don’t understand why we need to let this sink in?
I've heard of the SALT conference but honestly never really knew what it was. From their home page:
"SALT is a community of the world's foremost investors, creators and thinkers. Our mission is to drive prosperity and innovation by connecting investment capital with intellectual capital.
We achieve our mission by helping Institutional Investors (from sovereign wealth funds and government pensions to endowments and foundations to family offices and financial advisors) identify and connect with differentiated Asset Managers (from hedge funds to venture capital to private equity/credit) and Company Founders (from fintech to deep tech to climate tech)."
I find it interesting and encouraging that they are including a discussion on NHI at all.
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB: --- [https://www.salt.org/event-speakers/2024-new-york](https://www.salt.org/event-speakers/2024-new-york) I think it's worth reflecting on this moment and the fact that Dave Grusch will be at the same event as these very recent high ranking military officials, when he was supposed to be discredited and ignored based on all common sense and logical expectations of anyone skeptical about this topic. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cj8i0q/the_whistleblower_who_says_us_military_is_in/l2e7d73/
Had to lookup what Mark Milley his title actually means, well dang: >The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS) is the presiding officer of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS). The chairman is the highest-ranking and most senior military officer in the United States Armed Forces[2] and the principal military advisor to the president, the National Security Council,[3] the Homeland Security Council,[3] and the secretary of defense
So…he’s a swinging dick
One of the swingiest dicks in the dick swingiest government in the biggest dicked country in the world. The dude swings.
Swing low sweet chariot.
"I find it offensive. Au naturel, baby. That's how I like them."
...on the front porch just a swingin'.
Omfg, you guys... 😂🤣😂🤣
We need you people running the world. Be all serious about the shit that matters, but fuck around about how stupid things were leading up to it... 😅
Comin for the chariot a hoye
Some say the swing of his dick affects the earth's translational motion, which is what has peaked recent NHI curiosity about our planet.
Do the NHI swing both ways????
I've heard they've got three ways.
They swing at least 6 ways, two of which are imperceptible to human sensory organs....
Aliens are gender neutral and non-binary? 🤔
Dude hangs dong!
Bet he carries a wad of 50’s and a box of magnum condoms. You know, for his magnum dong.
He’s hanging brain
He knows a thing... or two. No more, no less.
This dude is literally the real life man that Hollywood tries to idealize as being the presidents right hand war-guy that knows all of the craziest tricks and tactics. Honestly this guy probably knows more than Biden.
I get the feeling Biden doesn’t have NHI on his mind and NHI isn’t a pressing issue at this time. I think it’s possible NHI came and went but left something behind that is important.
That's an interesting possibility. Say you're correct and the government kept it secret and then after 80 years tell us it was a one time thing, we have one item and no big deal but aliens are real. Who would believe that's all they know? Who would believe that's all they have?
I don’t know how that would work. I suppose my my theory is kind of stupid honestly. I have no idea what is going on. I do think Grusch and Marco Rubio and others are telling the truth about serious people coming to them with stories of alien craft and various claims related to NHI. It’s unsettling. What is the point of lying to someone like the inspector general. I really just want to know and what I said earlier was strange from me to say honestly. A little off for me
Yeah, the NORAD radar track data showing their smooth 5000G+ accelerations and decelerations.
Really? Do you have a link?
I think Biden is just looking forward to ice cream
Wait, a career military officer, who is the highest ranked man in the military, knows more than a civilian politician when it comes to war and combat? Gosh.
Mark Milley was all over the news when Trump was president and then the later spats they had with each other. If you're not American, you get a pass, but every American here should know who he is.
Gen. Milley was the one who independently called China after the 2020 election—possibly just after Jan. 6th, I think—to alleviate any concerns Xi might have had that Trump would be able to launch “special weapons” if he refused to accept having lost the election.
Even me, I'm Polish, know who he is and remember situation you described. But I follow American politics for years now.
I thought he looked too familiar. I looked him up with his badges and stars, so cool he is going to be there.
You're assuming those who binge on the 24-hr news cycle can remember anything from even like 2 months ago.
Yea, made me sad to realize there are people who don’t know who he is or know what the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is, but if they’re not American I can understand.
Not particularly pertaining to this discussion, but a guy on Twitter goes around asking whatever generation of let's say 16-30 year olds random yet simple questions that everyone in America and most outside of the States should know the answer to without a shred of doubt. One question asked to a girl in college was "How long does the president serve?" Her answer, after framing the question 2 or 3 times to where she could understand he was looking for an amount of time was "1 hour?" I very highly doubt more than %2 of the population knows who the Joint Chiefs of Staff is or what they do.... Edit* Side Note this was just one example of a simple question. The entire 30 minute episode was just one gold nugget after another showing how badly this country needs, honestly I don't even know what it needs to be repaired. So many issues compounding and adding up and pure selfishness are driving the United States straight into the Shitt#r.
While there are a lot of really dumb people, you can't get any measure from a Twit showing select clips.
There are a bunch of YouTubers who do this on college campuses. We’re doomed, basically. I just read that IQ’s have dropped in the US for the first time ever. Not surprised. Even back when I was in college, they had to give remedial high school math classes (🤦🏻♀️). I went to a store recently and paid cash and the cashier *could not count change*. This person was not obviously impaired, disabled or an immigrant new to US currency. My doctor just warned me to check that my prescriptions have my name and the right medicine to match the label, because she’s had several patients with different pharmacies who got poisoned by someone else’s drugs! It’s pretty much terrifying. The US could start with catching up everyone up to minimal 5th-7th grade standards for math and literacy, and then go from there. Then we can get to advanced stuff like…the name of the current president.
Yeah who TF doesn't know the Joint Chief of Staff and yet has an opinion on anything.
I don't. Not everyone has time or desire to follow the news cycle
I’d be surprised if 25% of adults in the US even know who their senators or representatives are. ~~As both a skeptic and a political junkie, even I’ll admit that this is a **BIG** deal. Esper & Milley are two of the most respected names in the US government.~~ ~~Milly especially. He is a hardened, calling-out-bullshit kind of guy who I’d be intimidated by simply sitting across a chessboard from. To think about him even *entertaining* the thought of aliens is astounding.~~ ~~Based on his involvement alone, this could end up being a defining moment for disclosure.~~ **EDIT**: I’m seeing now that Esper & Milley are **NOT** part of a “Non-human intelligence” discussion, and are there for issues more relevant to their respective fields. **OPs image is VERY misleading.** I retract my above analysis.
They never said that milley was talking about UAP
The caption below his picture absolutely implies that’s the topic of discussion.
OPs caption says the David Grusch is at the same event with these military bigwigs; doesn't say they are presenting on same or even related topics. Also, in the image, you see only Grusch pictured for speaker under NHI topic
Seems that all the Day 1 info is cut off at the top. Grusch pictured with Esper and Milley seems to be a reference to the first day's topic(s). It also seems that any additional Day 2 details are also cut off.
When I read it I didn't assume OP was implying the others were talking about the same things as Grusch, but that they were just pointing out how Grusch would be speaking at the same event. That's kind of a big deal to me. For him to have the same audience as Milley seems like something worth telling people about.
No it doesn’t? They said they’re speaking at the same event and grusch has a 20 minute speech which is clearly shown on the image
Should be
Per the video of miss south carolina messing up a question that was just in my feed, 20% of americans can't even find the good ol US of A on a world map.
Haven't you seen him in photos or TV before? I'm surprised people aren't familiar with that position. It's always the army-looking guy who advises the President in action/sci-fi/thriller movies.
So the guy that says, "Sir, um, there's something you should know... we actually did know about the aliens." As the invasion begins and audience scratches their head thinking why these idiots didn't tell anyone.
These guys never say "um"
his photo has been touched up some ( check out a press conference he is often by whoever was President ) Real life, you know he has seen some shit.
If non-human intelligence is a non-issue, as the dod insists, why is the topic being given the time of day at an investor's conference? *squints*
If NHI is a non issue in the eyes of the DoD. Then what in gods name do they have in the garage to negate that fear or instinctual need to have a bigger stick in order to be safe?
I guess we’ll find out. This is an event where entrepreneurs solicit capital for their pet projects. Grusch has said he wants to start his own foundation of some sort to investigate UAPs and NHI. We’ll see if people take the bait.
Correct, Grusch would like to be a “thought leader” in the UFO community. I wanna get paid for that :(
If those are the kind of ppl that will be onboard with Grush than he has my permission to cash in.
why? is he too good for the sol foundation? i thought he was the co-founder of that thing
He presented at the SOL Foundation, albeit remotely.
Being with one doesn’t mean he can’t be with others. Since i and many others trully believe him, the more exposure he gets the better. Maybe more eyes and minds will open to the reality surrounding us.
How much do we allocate to the agencies that oversee the investigation of a "non-issue"?
Ok that is the issue that Grush had in the first place, there is no oversight of spending,no congresioanl oversight at all, Where is the money comming from and where is it going ? And it's crazy dangerous for our service people.
I wonder if it has something to do with the reason behind AARO saying there's no videos because of equipment malfunction while a FOIA request says there are videos but they're classified
Because idiots and their money are quickly parted when given the opportunity. Grifters going to grift. For funsies, let's pretend this guy gets funding for some UAP venture. Let's say he actually gets evidence of NHI, what do you think the government will do? Now let's say he doesn't find anything, what do you think he will claim the government did? The answer to both is "they took our evidence", likely claiming a shadow government or some bullshit. I would love nothing more than to know life exists outside of our planet before I die, but I doubt it. Some grifter isn't going to be the one to prove me wrong either.
This can not be upvoted enough.
It's funny how both sides look at this. We see it as more of a validation of Grusch while anti-UAP twitter sees it as confirmation that Grusch is grifting. The way two different sides of the aisle view the exact same information completely different is kind of fascinating.
I see it as a way for Grusch to get into the ears of Esper and Milley because they have serious pull in the DoD and MIC.
Milley is in the know and is probably a gatekeeper. Whether or not he’s for disclosure remains to be seen
One of the often repeated memes is that higher ups in the Pentagon are insulated from the topic for purposes of plausible deniability. This could cut right through that.
How can they be insulated as a "higher up" without having gone through the lower ranks? Unless there's an unmentioned branch of the officer corps who are all in dead-end careers dealing with aliens to prevent any future Joint Chiefs from finding out.
It's fucking stupid. Raising money a legitimate way isn't 'grifting'. They don't even understand what that word means
You sell hand-knitted scarves at a craft fair? That’s grifting. Tutoring math for extra cash? Definitely grifting. Charging for pet sitting during vacation? Also grifting. You give guitar lessons on weekends? Clear case of grifting. You publish a collection of poems and charge for it? That’s grifting too. You baked cookies and sell them at a local market? Believe it or not, that’s grifting. Basically, anything where you earn money for your abilities or knowledge is grifting.
Uhh, I’m not taking advice from someone without a Regulation Grifting Briefcase. 💼
The issue lies with the inherent conflict of interest. As long as they don't disclose, they're able to keep promising and raise money in the meantime. Someone selling stock or assets, taking out loans, or working a job to fund their research/endeavours doesn't have that conflict.
Or there's those of us who are awaiting actual evidence. People can, after all, say anything. Even under oath. That's why we have science: to determine the truth.
I keep posting this but whatever, it’s true: science will never be the vehicle that gets us to the bottom of UAP — at least not empiricism and hypothesis based science. The reason is that UAP, unlike any other phenomena ever studied, must be assumed to be intelligently evading our best efforts at studying it.* Thereby negating an empirical approach. Such an assumption is a get out of jail free card if you’re doing observation based science, and is therefore a nonstarter. The formal study of UAP is therefore an epistemological dead end. *the search for intelligent life is unlike the search for any other phenomena precisely because said phenomena is intelligent, and therefore cannot be expected to submit to observation by virtue of its relative stupidity or lack of consciousness (ie, cosmological phenomena).
To be fair, the SALT Conference is the creation of Anthony "The Mooch" Scaramucci, who isn't exactly the cleanest guy in the room. Granted, the list of presenters should speak for itself, but I could see why some people would look at this and cry fowl.
[https://www.salt.org/event-speakers/2024-new-york](https://www.salt.org/event-speakers/2024-new-york) I think it's worth reflecting on this moment and the fact that Dave Grusch will be at the same event as these very recent high ranking military officials, when he was supposed to be discredited and ignored based on all common sense and logical expectations of anyone skeptical about this topic.
Might be a good opportunity to release a long-awaited op-ed?
Will this be streamed live please?
I don't think so usually they upload the videos over the following few days.
Esper is there in his role as a venture capitalist with Red Cell Partners and Milley is there in his role as a financial advisor for Chase. These guys are there about money. They certainly are not there to chat with Grusch or about Grusch. Why are people acting like they are also there to talk about aliens or will even talk to Grusch? How does their appearance validate him? Is the theory that they invited them or? How does Grusch getting paid big bucks to chat at a private financial conference show he is not discredited? I mean, Scarmucci is there - not exactly a credible guy in the eye of the public.
Finance chases tech. Aliens have dope tech. They might like talking to Grusch. 🤷♂️
I think OP is saying that having both the former Secretary of Defense and the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff participating in an event where David G is presenting is significant. I agree
Former CJCS. Wow.
They are scheduled to speak at different times though, and possibly different topics. **Mark Esper:** Evaluating Threats to America, Foreign and Domestic: A Conversation with Secretary Mark Esper **Mark Milley:** New World Disorder: A Conversation with General Mark Milley
Yes as expected since it's only 20 mins per talk. The optics of the whole thing is what is amazing to me.
If you read their website, it looks like the main point of these conferences is to help people do specialized networking. So it's more than just interesting optics, potentially--it's a chance for Grusch to get some face time with these guys, hopefully.
I agree. This is interesting. It makes me wonder if he had any trouble getting this gig.
It certainly adds to the credibility of David G
Unfortunately, this might be what pushes disclosure, private interests, and money. Coulhart has stated corporations have been lobbying congress behind the scenes as they want access to the tech.
It's still so out of place to have nhi as a topic at an alternatives investment conference, all the other topics are typical investment conference topics
Yes, New World Order: When our Alien Overlords take over /s
If you are religious, pray for Grusch. And I hope he's got a posse and is immune to Boeing Whistleblower Disease.
The amount of comments I see on reddit making fun of people who are saying foul play is involved by Boeing is insane. Constantly calling them crazy conspiracy theorists. They have no fucking idea the extent of this shit and it’s wild to see how blind most people are to how controlled everything is.
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Hey do you know how we can go to the event? Get tickets? Or is it invite only m?
You don't need an invite. it is right on their site. You can get in for the low price of $7,500.
Pass lol
There are whistleblowers and “whistleblowers”. The Boeing whistleblowers were killed. Edward Snowden had to flee the country with the FBI and NSA chasing him. Chelsea Manning was sentenced to 35 years in prison.
Grusch whistleblew **to the ICIG**, which is the *appropriate authority* according to his chain of command. David Grusch is an **internal** whistleblower. Following established protocols and procedures. Chelsea Manning/Snowden/etc are *public-facing* whistleblowers. They had to flee/etc because they **did not** follow the P&Ps. This is really not a difficult concept to understand.
I don’t think anyone with common sense or logical thinking thought that Grusch was anything but legitimate in the first place. There are a lot of trolls in the communities that discuss things that are kept from the general public. This, the stock market and economy in general. You start to see the patterns.
Patterns mean nothing. We need evidence in the hands of independent scientists.
Well of course patterns mean something. And of course we need scientists involved. Sucks they don’t want to be.
Until I don’t see hard evidence of anything this is just disinformation, obfuscation, psyops,… so far we only have bla bla bla … I am an ex bla bla bla … and more bla bla bla … if there was any substance we would have serious leaks an someone coming with hard evidences like some metal which cannot be found on this planet and it is manufactured. And again I want to remember that this seems to be a USA only thing. Do you believe that in a country as corrupted as Russia if they had alien evidence they wouldn’t have sold already? So, based on this very simple logical reasoning I can say that it is very unlikely that there is anything from out of space
Username checks out.
What patterns do you see ?
How there is concerted disinfo and misinfo put out to muddy the waters in communities that start to scratch the surface of what’s going on. And when they do, and the efforts to stem that discovery roll out, the general public remains largely in the dark. 99% of people don’t understand why 2008 happened and if you try to explain it to them they get conspiracy theory vibes. That’s how good the public perception campaigns are. The truth isn’t the truth as is presented to the public. Idk where the line is drawn but I know that what we see is what we’re meant to see, more or less.
Mark "I want to understand my white rage" Milley?! Oh FFS....
Yeah, Milley is a bitch.
People like to shit so much in Tom Delonge because of his personality or the fact he's a "punk rockstar", however when the Podesta emails were leaked by Russian hackers in an effort (successful BTW) to tamper with American elections.. *His name was in the emails.* Tom Delonge had exchanges with high ranking members of the military like generals (McCasland) and was frantically exchanging information through a IC channel talking about "our friends from another dimension" to "help us develop zero point energy". If you have followed The Why Files or other pop culture UFO YouTube channels, Zero Point Energy is what supposedly UFOs use to "fly" around our plane, an infinite source of energy that draws power from nothing, from the "background weave" of reality. Hall Puthoff was interviewed about this source of energy like 30 years ago and said the same arguments Delonge has echoed in interviews with Joe Rogan and the likes. Then Puthoff name gets mentioned in the emails and everything "connects", however most people seem oblivious to this information. Delonge has no business being in those emails **unless** he was telling the truth. If a crack pipe fell from Joe Biden's jacket the moment he leans to kiss a kid on the forehead the world wouldn't waste a second saying the US president is a crackhead, however Delonge tells an impossible history about ETs feeding of people's negative feelings and talking with high level generals about interdimensional beings and craft and when his story gets validated through Podesta's emails in the same way the falling crack pipe would validate Biden as a drug addict, nobody bats an eye. No headlines, no reporters addressing their audience with a recap of Delonge's claims and how they could now be true, no nothing. Even if he was confirmed legit by those emails "people" in this very sub (because you know) still say he's either confused or exaggerating, even if his claims aren't much different from Grusch's when he states UAPs aren't extraterrestrial but rather interdimensional.
Man, you guys need to watch Stargate Atlantis.
He might have been emailing asking the questions, but did he get any proper replies????
Kind of a big deal.
It would be awesome to see Mark million talk to grusch or talk about uap. He never has before and he would likely have alot of access to programs
What day is this happening?
Reminding everyone that real national security issues exist along with NHI and keeping secrets includes keeping our enemies guessing about involvement with NHI. Disclosure can’t come at the expense of our safety and our security can’t come at the expense of our right to determine our destiny. This is why it will be painfully slow and frustrating. This is why we must keep the pressure on the MIC
Is this the good one?
Imagine the life of these guys swanning around saying they know all kinds of secrets that just can’t be told, but picking up 100 grand here and there for their presentations and speeches at conferences etc One of the greatest deceptions over multiple decades that we’ve seen. These guys are playing to the simple fact that anything you ask the military about, they will always neither confirm or deny. So if you asked them if the King of England is a Martian, they will “not comment” rather than tell you that you’re a dummy… And all of the believers will be “wow the king of England is a Martian? Who would’ve guessed?” …. Dummies
This is a little misleading. This makes it look like Milley and Esper are talking about NHI. They’re not. There are over 80 speakers. Among them are congressman, government employees, finance workers, an UAE prince, doctors, scientists, etc > SALT is a global investment platform connecting institutional asset owners with asset managers and technology entrepreneurs. Basically this is a conference where the Doers and Knowers of things can get a chance to pitch their ideas to the purse holders.
Miley has said already that he has no knowledge of aliens / non-human intelligence, so I wouldn’t expect much from him.
If he did have knowledge of any related SAPs, he would be legally required to deny it. Just saying.
What topics are the other two besides grusch speaking about?
There’s over 80 speakers and they’re all discussing a variety of different issues that they see as problems “we”, the collective we of society, need to solve or work towards solving
Really wouldn’t be surprised at all if an asset manager snatched up Grusch. He has insights which are classified into what companies could be bleeding edge long term in certain sectors.
Tommy is always coming in clutch with these posts. Yeah the peaky blinders 🤙
I'll never not find this whole situation hilarious. Some people in the UFO community have opened their minds to such an extent that any capacity for critical thinking is completely gone and they're now looking up to literal intelligence agency spooks for "confirmation". Yet here I was thinking people would look at this and maybe realize how gullible they've been and how ridiculous putting their faith on some shady flat-top with no credibility or proof who served and serves the very people responsible for all the secrecy, but they're actually like "Oh my gawwd look at Grusch speaking alongside those high ranking G-Men, that means he is credible! He MUST be telling the truth!!!"
Dosent trust AARO= Trusts a room full of investors.
They're just gonna start the conference and say "trust me bro" then the credits roll.
Why the fuck doesn’t Dave have an American flag behind him? The man is an American hero, and what he’s doing for this community is outstanding.
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*looks around for evidence* Oh still none? Bet... yeah lets go watch these dudes talk some more thatll be real fun 🙄
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Hope we get to see these alien’s soon.
Some very serious people. But I was told this topic was all grifters?! ^/s
I've never seen someone look more like a General than Mark Milley
Used to work for Milley occasionally, wish I would have asked more questions smh... all I got were well cooked Italian dishes from his wife.
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Right there, you'd go hungry.
Esper has close ties with Raytheon and experience in the aerospace sector. Interesting.
I feel like there needs to be a qualifier here. This post makes it seem like Milley and Esper are going to be on stage at the same time as Grusch. Now I don’t doubt he’s going to try to talk to them there though.
Yea, I’m suspicious this is purposefully misleading. There are over 80 speakers all discussing different things.
Because the people attempting to discredit this are illogical at best, driven by blind belligerent denial often fueled by religious or “scientific” (technically religious just a different type that claims to hold proof there is no God) beliefs which can no more be proven than this phenomenon can.
lol this is the description of the conference: “SALT is a global investment platform connecting institutional asset owners with asset managers and technology entrepreneurs.” This is a great job of framing ambiguity to make David seem more legit than he is. I hope everyone has the basic media literacy skills to make this determination for themselves. If not, I suggest you brush up on your basic critical thinking and media literacy skills.
David Grusch will be speaking about "Non-Human Intelligence and Earth." What is this "Earth" they speak of?
If the government won’t disclose, whistleblowers won’t spill the actual proof, and the aliens/beings won’t reveal themselves, then throwing an absolute shit ton of private money at the problem is the best scenario I see left 🤣
Can the public attend this conference? Where is it taking place and when?
Who was there last year again? https://www.tiktok.com/@neutral0bserver/video/7234994582080228654
Somebody is lying under oath. This is not a zero sum game anymore
What day is this and can we watch it?
When is this happening?
Doesn’t matter, they are part of the corrupt government that is keeping this secret
Well, i mean that’s what a good portion of people do on these subs right? Talk shit, look like clowns trying to discredit everything and anyone etc. tons of dipshits out there with cell phones chirping in their two cents without knowing wtf they’re even talking about, trolling.. etc. I never doubted Grusch for a second. Ever.
A bunch of deep state spooks doing deep state spook things.
Ok it sunk in. Now what.
What’s to think about, a high ranking government official said the government was lying about something. Would t be the first nor the last time they lie
I think this subject deserves more than....20 minutes?
It's also worth noting that Carmelo Anthony is another presenter here. Dave Grusch joining the NBA, confirmed.
im confused are they all talking about NHI or is grusch just a speaker at the same conference
What is supposed to sink in? Are you saying Grusch is a grifter like the other two?
Being at the same conference means nothing. It runs all day discussing several topics unrelated to one another.
I'm still waiting for it to be more than just talk. Talk is cheap, witness testimony is worthless.
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Ok, these are, or were, important people. I’m not sure why them being on the same conference would add/remove credibility. After all, a bunch of Russian sympathizers hold conferences called CPAC, where lots of people talk, and none have credibility.
Someone please ask about the op Ed
Will this be live-streamed?
Those are some big names to be talking about such a topic.
Grusch is MIC propagandist
Miley paid his dues and had his come to Jeeziz time in the barrel. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt now that he’s seen the light and is on board.
Just a reminder that his "evidence" is "someone told me that they saw something and I have evidence but I won't show you"
Esper has that zealot, 7th day, almighty God twinkle in his eye....
I think those waiting patiently on his op-ed will be miffed that some rich folks may be getting the run on them. I don't grudge Grush making some additional cash after what he has been through but the optics are not great.
Pretty weird that I haven’t seen anyone mention yet that Garry Nolan spoke at the 2023 SALT conference. About extraterrestrials. https://youtu.be/e2DqdOw6Uy4
Is that the dude that walked into some random hearing and started rantinh about ufos
If your goal is to get an interesting speaker who has spoken to congress then inviting him makes sense. Inviting him doesn't validate any of his unproven claims.
does anyone know how to get tickets to this thing? I'm seeing the cost as like, $15,000
And boy did the show is the proof😂😂😂…..
They have all been subverted.
That sink better ask nicely if it wants to be let in
People seem to have forgotten Mark Miley denied the claims Grusch made publicly while still in service. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/aug/6/joint-chiefs-chair-mark-milley-claims-alien-recove/
Boeing murdered two whistle-blowers over safety yet all these people are untouched. Let that sink in.
May 21., 2024 [https://twitter.com/UAPJames/status/1786147887920902347](https://twitter.com/UAPJames/status/1786147887920902347)
I don't see this page on the Salt website, the link leads to a page listing the speakers but not events. There's a search box but inputting "Non-Human Intelligence and Earth" yielded no results. Actual link to the page pictured above, please? And it's only 20 minutes? Is it a "meet and greet" or something?
The fact that he’s involved in intelligence AND just happened to seek out two high profile grifters in the community (Corbell and Knapp) keeps me skeptical of Grusch. He’s either after a new career in milking rubes, or he’s continuing the intelligence community’s penchant for using UFOs and the community at large to discredit any attempts to dig into the misuse of public funds. There hasn’t been one shred of evidence as to the existence of aliens. However, we know for a fact that the UFOs were one of the ways in which the development of experimental technology was kept secret. So either the government have these craft that are entirely man-made, or there are no craft and the whole thing is a way to hand over billions in public money to independent contractors. The latter is the most believable, and easily explains the MIC’s pushback on the issue. They’re thieving bastards and will do anything to hide it.
Will they do a panel together?
This is the same conference Garry Nolan presented at last year, where he stated with 100% certainty that NHI exist.
Slow disclosure.... The UAPDA didn't get gutted. It got greenlit behind closed doors. They laid out their process.
Yeah, and? Why does that say anything at all? Different keynote speakers doesn't necessarily have anything to do with each others just because they deliver from the same stage. They're not there for the same issues. Or am I missing something here?
I dunno if anyone's asked this but why is he presenting at an investor conference?
Where is the evidence? I’m not trolling
I was once in the same room as Don Cheadle, Chadwick Boseman, Shaquille O’Neal and Zlatan Ibrahimovic. I’m not an actor or athlete, I was just there through coincidence. I have no idea what the relevance of these speakers has to do in terms of the credibility of Grusch’s claims? He’s literally speaking at a conference where other people are also speaking. I don’t understand why we need to let this sink in?
I've heard of the SALT conference but honestly never really knew what it was. From their home page: "SALT is a community of the world's foremost investors, creators and thinkers. Our mission is to drive prosperity and innovation by connecting investment capital with intellectual capital. We achieve our mission by helping Institutional Investors (from sovereign wealth funds and government pensions to endowments and foundations to family offices and financial advisors) identify and connect with differentiated Asset Managers (from hedge funds to venture capital to private equity/credit) and Company Founders (from fintech to deep tech to climate tech)." I find it interesting and encouraging that they are including a discussion on NHI at all. Edit: word
I let it sink in… now what?