The following submission statement was provided by /u/silv3rbull8: --- Submission Statement Saw this post linked in one of the discussions here. Thought it was something that might be of interest to people and to see what people thought. It is similar in vein to that 4Chan post on UAPs coming from undersea facilities. In fact there is a mention of UAPs using the oceans to conceal themselves. The post is quite detailed but once again, no idea if a Larp or something more. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1crd852/from_the_aliens_community_on_reddit_i_worked_on_a/l3x8t2f/

An interesting point made in the post is that US govt will never disclose it has NHI materials unless it is faced with some existential threat that requires such tech to be used .

Well guess what, the Chinese aren't idiots and they must have recovered craft as well. I don't see them staying behind US capabilities very long.

Are you saying there’s an existential threat? Also, military guys probably see everything and everyone as an existential threat. Who has control of these things again?

Imagine you have a continuously running experiment with Monkeys you genetically modified to be more intelligent. You have the world’s largest enclosure with hidden cameras everywhere so you can observe the new breed of Monkeys in their “natural” environment. After many years the Monkeys are showing clear signs the experiment work! They are creating tools and sharing the new technology with others. We watch them grow but theirs a problem. They are extremely violent. To the point of going to war constantly. We watch as these new Monkeys become Monsters. Killing each other for sport. Destroying the enclosure with fires. Just intelligent enough that they figure out there’s camera watching them. This changes their behaviour. They start acting differently around where known cameras are. They are taking them apart. After a while they figure out where the control room is. They are building up firewood outside the door. What do we do?

I saw this James Franco monkey movie a decade ago. We just need a woody harrelson figure to rally around in a sequel.

But also >99% of the time you'd see them working, exercising, spending time with others, doing normal human things - just surviving. We always tend to bring up the extremes.

What I don’t get about this angle is… there were other species of human until very recently. Did the NHI mess with those species too? They became extinct due to modern humans either interbreeding or straight up war/annihilation from competition for resources. What’s the angle on that?

London is full of cameras, nobody gives a shit.

Because in the “example” the cameras are for the Monkeys…we have UAP’s. I’m willing to bet if you saw a UAP you would give a shit.

Allot of people in to the stars Academy say these beings are malicious. alozondo was on it for awhile so he could think ththe same way. also Lou remarked the three body books was similar to the yap situation?? which is scary

Could be bad actors in the bunch. If I had to use the S.W.A.G technique on it I'd propose that whatever this is. There's probably good, bad, some with the mixture of both. Just like us and everything else in nature.

Good and bad are loose terms. Helpful and unhelpful.

Channelers often hear this expressed as "benign" and "malignant" from the entities they interact with.

And the one's here are likely all just workers, here on whatever mission they are on. Likely not reflective of their society as a whole.

Bingo. They are here, they are a mixed bag. And mostly don't care about us / our resources. If they would, they would had already done something. I'm my opinion, it's not worth it to go to war against us. To much resources needed to get something done. And the price they would just get higher with every year where we progress. Or they are pretty sure we kill us self either with an atomic blast or something or climate change will kill us and they will just swoop up the rest.

What is the yap situation?

I think it was typo and meant “uap”

I apologize it I sound dumb, can you elaborate on what you're referring to?

https://youtu.be/4yX6ETCKyPo?si=_eeWMJS91iKR46sJ this might be what they’re referring to. I’m watching the video now so we will see

Great video. My takeaway using Lou’s analogy: “Did the foot steps appear because something bypassed our security or were they already in the house when I locked the door?” Also: “why didn’t they hurt me or steal when they had the chance?”

This is why I think it’s probably true what Hellyer & Eshed stated: we’ve had contact with alien species and they don’t want us all to know as we’re not ready yet.

If there are TWO things China is fantastic at, it's theft and reproduction. Must suck to rely on other countries for original ideas.

You presume they are behind the US 🇺🇸 in technology reverse engineering…the US won’t show its hand because the Chinese 🇨🇳 may be ahead of them in reverse engineering the NHI technology! Neither will show the hand on the fear it will tip off the other as to where they are! Neither will call the hand until one thinks they are “all in” and as the US can print the currency they are in debt with and China has massive resources it’s just going to go on and on unless one side knows they have a royal flush! But even then why call when you can get the other player to keep throwing into the pot!

This is the kind of strategic ambiguity that NHI could exploit to give a mutual assured scare to the human main powers in order to ensure they chill. All they have to do is give tech that we can't understand. Barely even has to work, as long as we can never understand it anytime soon.

lol I have an image a guy in a lab coat saying to a 5 star general “Breakthru… after 70 years….we don’t know how the ship floats… but we do know how they toast crumpets using zero point …. Now let’s workout what that thing that looks like a coffee machine does…”

lmao! Just have the onboard AI drop some crumbs every 10 years or something.

And they are way better at copying things than the US…

You just made me wonder if the supposed agreements between past presidents and nhi guaranteed some exclusivity of tech for US 🤷‍♂️

I've heard this exactly from military friend who asked higher up.

I've tried to tell everone that the government will never tell. Some people just don't et it. They think we are moving closer to official disclosire. We are not. It ain gonna happen. At least not from the US.

I understand your point, but why did they even allow this topic to get where it did since Dec 2017? After all, those of us who have been following this topic for decades know that the general stance of the government was to ridicule the topic and to portray UFO believers as lunatics and nutjobs. No one in official capacity even uttered the word UFO. Why did they change this stance in Dec 2017? After all, UFOs were firmly out of public consciousness by the first decade of the 21st century. There was absolutely nothing going on really, even though billions of people all over the world had cameras in their pockets. There was simply no need to rekindle the fire. They could have easily stopped the early effort (Lue, Mellon, TTSA, Tom D etc) in its tracks. Why was it allowed to fester and reach a stage where it is right now? I just want to understand this.

I can come up with the following scenarios: 1.They couldn't hide it any longer with the corporate expansion of space programs and its part of a soft disclosure instead of an instant release. (see concept of entrapment.) 2.Its part of some as yet unknown strategic goal to release information; perhaps to obfuscate a black program to advisaries that has made some sort of a technological breakthrough. 3.They were told to start releasing information by the entities themselves in no uncertain terms.

Right. These are valid points. They directly contradict u\EdVCornell's theory that there will never be official US Disclosure. In points 1,2 and 3, there is eventual release of information.

Theres a few other scenarios as well.. 4.It could be new management at the control level of the program and they no longer hold the views that the past management did about never releasing information. 5.There could have been a data breach or leak in the program that forced a release. (whistle blower?) They felt the cat was out of the bag enough to no longer make complete deniability a possibility. 6.Some type of new information has come to light at the top of the program about some future event they are preparing us for that necessitated a release.

Limited Hangout - there are concerns over war in Asia so they want to create an impression that they have ultra high tech. There may also be tests undertaken by new weapons against these fleets.  Or even maybe subterfuge, creating a resource sink for the PRC to aim for.  I don't think the Nimitz stuff is clearly alien as many think. The 80000 feet to sea level was radar, not visual, no?  I think the underwater thing was a submarine launch of a drone. 

My sense is that the military has never had complete control over leaks, but instead having major influence over the narrative is what has allowed them to keep this topic out of the mainstream as long as they did. Think of all the other stories in addition to Roswell (like Aztec, Kingman, Socorro, etc) that have always been out there before the 2017 and Grusch revelations. Those previous incidents are now starting to connect like dots due to the internet and social media. Like you said, the government was able to ridicule them but that's all changing. People are able to call out lies in real time like with AARO and Kirkpatrick, something that was hard for UFO researchers to do in the past. I still think the military is fighting hard to keep this under wraps, like with AARO and Kirkpatrick, the February 2023 shoot downs, as well as those who gutted the Schumer Amendment. Although you're right that the military has taken a more open stance in discussing UFOs, I think they're acknowledging the topic in a way to quell growing interest (like saying, "hey, we took you guys seriously about UFOs, we established AARO to look into it, and we ended finding nothing so you should move on"). They can't just deny it anymore and call people crazy, because it's easy to point out their inconsistencies. So, I believe they're shifting their strategy to pretending to play along but ultimately claiming that no such things exist. I believe that disclosure is possible, but I don't think the military/DOD is going to voluntarily disclose anything.

Better to channel the fire rather than be burnt by it

>I understand your point, but why did they even allow this topic to get where it did since Dec 2017? You were being groomed, it's pretty much that simple. The UFO Community represents a minority interest group nobody actually cares about or sympathises with on any level: it makes you perfect for lobbying for legislation that ideally doesn't get any main media attention or scrutiny.... Remember the UAPDA? In it's original form that legislation intended to confer to the Department of Defense the power of eminent domain - it's a cash only transaction offering fair market value for seizure completely external to the Defense Departments official budget as granted by the NDAA, said branch of the executive in arrears for over 3 Trillion USD. Eminent domain was a way of bailing the DoD out via the back door. Do the math, fair market value for zero-point energy technology has got to be worth, what - in anyone's book... A couple of trillions, perhaps...? All of it in addition to it's official budget as granted via the NDAA, every dime of which has to be accounted for. Eminent domain comes out of an entirely separate pot. The only requirement being, in order for eminent domain to be confered, Government can't simply grant the power to a branch of the executive it choses - conference has to be seen to reflect a *public* demand and/or purpose. And that's where you come in - they needed a minority group no one pays any serious attention to lobby for legislation the Government wanted passed: you lobbied for said legislation wholly in the belief doing so would result in 'Disclosure" - a term you've been groomed to respond to since Lou Elizondo first showed up on the scene. Ever since you've been increasingly weaponized into a group capable of political engagement. That's all they wanted you for. You did your bit, unfortunately they got cold feet in the end, considering it too risky to pull off coming up to an election year - so the legislation was gutted and buried. You're all (now) kind of surplus to requirements. Nobody's taking this subject seriously outside of here: the AARO report basically washes the Governments hands of the whole subject. Facile though you may consider it, it's good enough for everyone else. Nobody cares what the UFO Community believes or thinks - about anything, they never have - that's why you were targeted for grooming in the first place.

I think a more upbeat and accurate way to describe the effort is "moving the Overton window". There's no shame in that. It seems to have worked. How enduring, who knows.... Isn't this how politics in this country works? We eventually got a form of healthcare that kinda works after 50+ years of trying Maybe we will eventually get a reasonable amount of truth?

I'm sorry you got down voted there - there are some pristine fucking assholes on this sub, seriously - anything that doesn't fit their fucking world view, and they accuse regular people of being delusional - please, accept my upvote, if little else. I get what you're saying - maybe someone takes the clarion call of this completely manufactured "disclosure" carrot and actually tries to get the real deal - unfortunately that's never been on the cards, it never will be: it doesn't matter the intent. Were any administration, cabal or group capable of delivering such a thing, it would have been done so decades ago. The simple fact of the matter is, they fill the community up with so many fake stories they know aren't true, they're literally no longer lying when they say they can find no reasonable evidence. They've got you believing - what, *exactly*....? Even you don't actually know what it is exactly you're believing in 7 years down the line: you started off with aliens flying spacecraft that pose a threat to US airspace and military defence establishments - possibly hostile - are UAP's even alien spacecraft any more, natural phenomena or Chinese Millibar technology - you don't *know*. What the fuck is an NHI...? A computer, your pets, space dolphins, an alien - ***what...?*** What the fuck does *higher dimensional beings* mean - are they aliens, are they parallel reality humans - what does any of this garbage actually mean any more. It's all just word salad, and yet people here lap it all up like it means something - spinning narratives to account for it all on the fly as they go. And this community just laps it all up - it doesn't care what the story is, so long as whatever vindicates whatever it is they've *already* decided is true. Nobody cares about the truth, just *I told you so*, and *I was right*... Yes, there are exceptions, but those are literally in the minority, this community stampedes wherever the disclosure carrot points, and it doesn't give a tin-shit about who's dangling the damn thing or why - at this point it's just a conditioned reflex. And that's down to the way this community has been groomed. It banishes dissenters - anyone not singing - *HALLELUJAH!* - loud enough is part of the disinformation campaign working overtime - we're expected to take at face value baseless gossip continually spouted at us by people who earn their livelihoods from us - no proof required for anything said, rumours pass for facts and every media influencer predating on the community gets a hall pass, no questions asked - no answers ever actually given. Don't get me wrong, the UFO Community has always been a disorganised freak show that could never make up its mind and agree on anything ever - now it's just the same but more politically focused because that's of use to the people that have been using it. Now it's no longer useful the communities being strung along until the elections are done with - after that, there is no after unless the plan is to back door eminent domain back to the Deference executive once the heat of election scrutiny has passed - say the NDAA for 2026/27. Meanwhile, you're still being strung along, you're still kept absolutely non-the-wiser for any of it. It never ends with what you were promised, only what you wanted to see. That's what American history teaches us about American politics - yes, exceptions happen, but no, this Community isn't the lucky exception. It's totally dependent on people who make their living out of stringing it along with whatever scraps those in actual power want you to believe in and go chasing after. We're continually herded back on track by karma farming power posters operating out of premium accounts - always there to rally home whatever it is we're supposed to believe - dissent marked down into oblivion and kept that way. Only rarely do they get it wrong and misjudge, when they do they recalibrate and carry on twice as hard herding us ever towards this totally fake goal everyone accepts and which never existed prior to 2017. It's all a one way street. And always someone herding us along it, whether we like it or not - thats always where we go.

What are you talking about? People are constantly uploading UFO images & videos - they’re everywhere🤣

It's called a limited hangout. It's a CIA term. Check it out. 

"I understand your point, but why did they even allow this topic to get where it did since Dec 2017?" Such a good question. My take is that the phenomenon is real and like DG said there's never been a plan to disclose but there's recognition that there are increasing external factors that may trigger catastrophic disclosure so they are both test marketing disclosure in a more open way than they have previously (movies, shows) to see how we react AND because this process serves as a wonderful social experiment and "lever" to see how different subsets of the population react differently, how their attention can be galvanized, used, and controlled etc. It's all learning, it's all data. And data is power. The third motivation is that there may be a foreign competitor element that they are also trying to manage or invoke a reaction from. I think the OP's post is not so much a LARP as a piece of disinformation written by an intelligence interest- then they study our reaction to it. Which elements are best received? How does the community react to the narrative? Etc. Or it could just be somebody with imagination. Or somebody with some insider info, pontificating.

"the government" may not tell, but people in that government may still spill the beans.

That’s the whole deal with whistleblowers, the US govt won’t tell, however the people in the government? There’s hope.

Unless it's 'officially' announced majority of people will never believe it regardless how many whistleblowers come out.

This is sadly the outcome we’ll have

We are getting disclosure, but it's being controlled by agents and sold as catastrophic. This whole thing *is* them controlling the narrative.. They flexing on us for real.

What makes you the person that knows, compared to all of us? That's what's important about your claim.

That makes zero sense to me lol. Hey guys, we got these super advanced nukes and we got it from aliens! Don’t worry! Why not just say we’ve developed such tech in secret and that’s that. No need to bring aliens involved.

This was exactly the big joke of the Dr. Strangelove movie lol (skip to the very end for the punchline): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yfXgu37iyI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yfXgu37iyI)

One rule is to never reveal to your enemies what you may or may not have. If you’re much more advanced than them they will work overtime trying to catch up (and they may even surpass you). If you accidentally reveal you’re behind them in terms of technological capabilities then you may have exposed a weakness that they may take advantage of. If it is indeed alien tech, then they don’t want to advertise to other counties that they should be looking for crashed UFOs since we want those for ourselves. The less competition the better. Hopefully it never comes to this but if there ever was a potential war scenario where we had to use alien tech, our adversaries fears of what we’re capable of could be a determining factor in regards to the escalation. Which is another reason why it’s better to leave them wondering whether there’s any truth to the whole thing. Than to confirm any piece of it is true. From a military perspective if NHIs are really here and UFOs are from them, that’s probably the way they should handle it.

So we're just chips in a game of intergalactic poker? Great.

Yeah, but food tastes pretty good

If we had alien tech, and have had it for some time, our enemies would already know about it. Its naive to think that they've not paid for that intelligence or have spies who are providing it. The Chinese were able to buy design details of the F35, so surely they have purchased details going back to the 1940's of crash retrievals. That said, there is little reason to keep it a secret from the people of the country. It definitely would not be a secret to the militaries of other countries.

From a military perspective, no you still shouldn’t talk about tech you haven’t used in battle yet. Regardless if it’s NHI/UFO based or not. Even if there’s a chance for spies to find out some information because they likely won’t know everything. Sharing your capabilities before you have to is a very dumb military strategy. It then makes some sense why the military wouldn’t confirm the existence of NHI to the public. Theres no way to speak on the subject without giving away that information to your enemies. It’s better to have your enemies be unsure of the totality of what you know than to be talking about it openly and unprompted. Talking about it also makes it more susceptible to spies as they would then have more of a face to the operation. They would then have insight into the structure of the operation and could more effectively utilize their spies.

> Sharing your capabilities before you have to is a very dumb military strategy. It's often an excellent strategic strategy when the goal is to avoid the conflict and achieve valuable political outcomes. The specific technical limits and techniques of the system would not be disclosed but the existence and sufficient credibility about the broad abilities would be disclosed in order to deter undesirable adversary actions. Like how the existence of attack submarines and their strong abilities is well discussed, but their specific routes and missions are not. Suppose somebody had invented submarines in the first place but pretended they never did. Would that be a good use of taxpayer money?

Part of it could be for the psychological effect on the enemy. To say the US has weapons and tech derived from NHI would be unlike anything known

I've wondered what would happen geopolitically if beans were spilled and proven that we literally superseded EVERYONE with this stuff. Like, literally no nuclear weapon was any value anymore, and that USA can act with impunity. If we put 100,000 boots on ground in Ukraine, and even IF Putin lost his mind and launched *everything* from *everywhere*, we would trivially stop it. They could expend 100% of their nuclear arsenal, and China and everyone else at once to nuke us. None of it would matter. 100% shot down or disabled, whatever. Even if they *somehow* got 1,000,000 troops to advance on our shores and our conventional forces couldn't stop them trivially (they could, no boat would reach our waters), our "NHI" tools could end them all wholesale. What then?

I think we would definitely be in completely uncharted territory then. Perhaps the NHI may not like what they see happening with their tech and intervene

Enemies might test the technology. And would find flaws. And realistically it won't be at all foolproof or overwhelming---there are always flaws and breakdowns. And mostly, because it's been kept so secret, nobody who would be using it has ever trained with it or thought about how to use it. With high technical capability that's a recipe for catastrophe. NATO military capabilities are strong because they incessantly train and they don't treat their service members like cabbages (unlike Russia), but instead tell them what is happening and what they are expected to do and why. A tech kept entirely secret has no deterrent value. The right way is to still keep it secret, but normal-level-secret. Assign the basic scientific problems to DOE and NASA. Say "yeah we have some alien drones that are weird. They aren't a threat but we are looking how they work", and then shut up about it. They could get 1000x the talent working on them opening up to the laboratory and university academic community. There would be far more progress vs the secrecy first. A whole lot of the mystique and yes deterrent power of the Manhattan Project was because it became well known that a tremendous effort by the top rank scientists and engineers pushed it through. The capability implied by directing a third of DOE and NASA and thousands of top known scientists onto this project is large and strategically important. Something entirely secret as implied by The Program Which Literally Must Not Be Named will never ever get the high capability and high ambition people to advance it.

I completely agree and add that a program with minimal oversight and input from experts has little chance of success. As the OP (of the referenced post said) leadership has been changing and there have been catastrophes as a result of mismanagement. Judging by the outcomes, the desired result is to suppress this knowledge in order to keep the status quo at all costs, both for the military-industrial complex and the reigning Capitalist-Christian paradigm.

We'd be one step closer to enemies figuring out the tech also. Once they see us do it, they know it's possible and to start trying to steal information and figure it out. Nukes are a good example, no one had ever seen anything like that. There was a period after ww2 of about 4 years before the Russians figured it out. I'm not trying to say dropping atom bombs in ww2 was right or wrong at the time, but had we not dropped those I'd wager it would've been a lot longer before any other nation had their own nukes.

I doubt it considering the very topic of aliens makes most people laugh. I remember Trump saying on national television the US has weapons of the likes no one has ever seen before. That line alone should be enough to make any country think twice about attacking

The other countries know about NHI too

Doesn’t mean they have any.

It's pretty likely Trump was talking about the HAWC (Hypersonic Air Breathing Weapon Concept) test missile and the HACM project that follows.

No the point is they won’t admit they have a “secret weapon”, whether NHI-sourced or not, until they have an existential threat. That way they can maintain their strategic advantage.

I read existential threat to be more species-based. As in we are under active NHI threat. Not just that China is going to nuke us.

Still doesn’t make sense. Hey guys, we are under attack from aliens but don’t worry, we developed tech to counter the threat and it’s tech that we stole from them! It’s assuming we are able to develop tech on par or that has surpassed the original alien tech it was based on and that’s highly unlikely. Look, I want it to be aliens just as much as the next guy but this doesn’t make a lick of sense.

I'm not even saying this post was real, but take out the tech part. Government would have to start sharing information about what it knows about NHI more widely, internal military and coordinating with international militaries, and details would invariably get pushed to the press and then to the public. At the point of invasion, I do think they'd offer up to at least a superficial amount of knowledge to calm populace. And maybe promote technical prowess if they have that much confidence in it.

I mean in all honesty . I haven’t seen reports of any UAPs having any type of offensive weapons on them . So the issue may be .. we are trying to weaponize tech that was never meant be weaponized.

If some technology is deployed that is generations beyond cutting edge tech, there is no way to talk themselves out of that without disclosing.

Heyyyyy twin!

Would you say that the US govt is suppressing disclosure because coming forward with reverse engineered tech would wipe out trillion dollar industries as well as fly in the face of religions around the world including Christianity. Not to mention those with wealth would be faced with losing that wealth or power or whatever it is they hold dear?

Seems like there are different factions in the DoD and government with opposing agendas. The fact that the Joint Chiefs office releases a document which clearly indicates UAPs are recovered and processed in a separate channel while the USAF and AARO vehemently deny that any such anomalous objects even exist is a possible indication of that. In my opinion

Chyeah, assuming it \*can\* use anything. That's a big if, and it just makes them look good, and placates the public into accepting secrecy by justifying it with the idea "Your military is still in control". Plenty of motivation for them to lie about that to cover up the embarrassment of not being in control.

I echo the other statements. You can’t say “I don’t want to be identified” but then post a bazillion ways for this secretive we’ll-kill-you agency to easily track him/her down Unless the personal information was to throw us off in which case it’s closer to a LARP because now there’s no credibility. No evidence either by the way. Just more words 

This seems to be the modus operandi. Every six months or so, we get this AMA style drop on Reddit, 4Chan or other anonymous forums. The post is generally well written and contains just enough information to excite UFO believers. I will be the first to admit that I am an absolute sucker for these posts and I have read each and every one of them. Multiple times. I am an absolute whore for UFO stories. Do I believe these stories? Not really. I just like to read them and put them in the back of my mind in cold storage. I remember a while ago that one of the gatekeepers (likely Lue) said that Disclosure will not happen the way we think it will. There is a very small chance that it is happening through these anonymous forums in the form of these drops. Absolutely no evidence is provided (which is not unexpected) to these claims by any of these posters. The personal details of each poster is left intentionally vague so that no one (from the general public) can track them down. My guess is that it is 40% misinformation, 40% disinformation and 20% true information. I just don't know what is the true bit of information. I have observed the following when it comes to these posts - OP writes a long post on an anonymous forum (with zero evidence provided) -> answers a few questions as part of an AMA over multiple days -> a huge frenzy results in which believers and debunkers squabble for a week or so -> subsequent separate posts by believers\debunkers on why the information provided was likely true\false resulting in an absolute shitstorm of activity -> an eventual absorption of this new material in the UFO consciousness at which point it is mostly treated as truth by UFO believers. I don't know if this is Disclosure. There is a very, very small chance that it actually is.

>OP writes a long post on an anonymous forum (with zero evidence provided) -> answers a few questions as part of an AMA over multiple days -> a huge frenzy results in which believers and debunkers squabble for a week or so -> subsequent separate posts by believers\debunkers on why the information provided was likely true\false resulting in an absolute shitstorm of activity -> an eventual absorption of this new material in the UFO consciousness at which point it is mostly treated as truth by UFO believers. 100%. A few years ago it seemed bizarre to me how people could fall down these online rabbit holes (QAnon being a prime example). Some of these posts have really made me recalibrate my perception of how susceptible some people are to this kind of stuff. I think some segments of the population are just doomed to have their brains broken by the internet/social media.

Yeah I'm a sucker too. I basically entertain them as "real" because it's entertaining and interesting. And who knows, maybe there's a smidgeon of truth somewhere. For this one in particular, it has a couple fatal flaws that often give away a LARP - knowing more than one can feasibly know given their job description, position and compartmentalization, and stating things with certainty they have demonstrated that they don't have. "I can say the NHI look like the aliens from close encounters", a statement of fact, was followed quickly by "My source who told this was unsure if it was true or not". This means they're prone to making things out to be fact when they aren't.

> an eventual absorption of this new material in the UFO consciousness at which point it is mostly treated as truth by UFO believers. good way of putting it. the lore is often very different than the primary sources and it is a huge part of creating belief.

> My guess is that it is 40% misinformation, 40% disinformation and 20% true information. It's all bullshit. You hear the alarm bells but you are ignoring them in the hope that there is some truth behind these posts. There's not, this is a LARP. Trust your instincts don't let your desire for belief override what you already know.

Schrödinger's whistleblowers: i'm anonymous and secretive but i spill it all out...

Except from EBO scientist with an apparently strong biological background, these recent whistleblowers aren't convincing to me. They are extremely silent on the specific events, technical part of recovery, they're missing the raw description of the interior of the craft, propulsion and navigation system. On the other side, more words about the afterlife and consciousness mesh/field. I honestly think Bob Lazar is more convincing than this kind of detail's missing posts.

Eh, the scientist post wasn't that strong in the end, people with actual PhDs in biology looked at his language for the few methods described and said it didn't really make sense. That writer had some education in biology for sure, or had done some homework into the subject, but there were enough errors that someone with a PhD for example wouldn't write, unless they were incompetent. And incompetent people wouldn't get access anywhere near alien corpses. It was a good LARP though.

So, I'll go out a limb on this one. I worked in NGS (next generation sequencing) around the same time as the EBO scientist (I even worked with government labs similar to his - I was at one of the instrument vendors). He clearly worked in the field sequencing novel genomes at the time. The details he shared were specific enough to that period of NGS that it'd be tough to make it up and easy to get it wrong if you were making it up based on today's best practices. The part that stood out to me the most was that they had only sequenced one individual. In the 2008-2012 time frame, NGS was brand new, instruments weren't super common, sample prep was still a bit of an art, data analysis was the bottleneck, and no one really knew what they were doing. The de novo projects I worked on at the time all followed the same pattern as the EBO scientist - get data for one sample, "play" with it using the algorithms available, see what shakes out. You only scaled once you had a full sample-to-answer pipeline developed - that is, have the sample prep and data analysis all worked out. What stood out from the debunkers is that they all assumed a 2016+ state of sequencing, where instruments were plentiful and everyone knew how to work with samples and data. That just wasn't the case when EBO guy claims to be doing it and he suggested as much. So, whether or not EBO scientist was LARPing, he clearly worked with NGS data around the time he claimed he did. ETA: One other part of his story that was interesting and possibly mis-interpreted by his team was the labeled and organized genes. Most sequencing instruments at the time were high-volume instruments (GA-II, SOLiD, even 454) that could get close to a full human genome's worth of data in one run (turns out we don't need to sequence a whole genome in most situations, so modern instruments tend to either work on smaller amounts of DNA or run many samples in parallel). In a lot of cases, that was overkill and the industry developed ways to multiplex samples on an instrument by "barcoding" individual sequences from different samples. For example, given DNA strands AGCT and CCGT from one sample, attach a common sequence, say AACC, to each so you know it's from that sample, yielding AACCAGCT and AACCCCGT. EBO guy's description of the tagged genes sounded a lot like a barcoding strategy. Of course, the "alien" interpretation of that is that they have a collection of "parts" sequences and those are the product IDs. However, a more benign explanation could be that his team got the data not realizing the lab that performed the sequencing had barcoded it. It could still be DNA from an unknown organism, but there's a more straight forward explanation for tagged sequences. (One more ETA: the reason he talked about tags on --genes-- could simply be that the data he had was RNA Seq data. Instead of sequencing the DNA, you extract RNA. RNA represents the genes that are active at the time the sample was taken. If they tagged the RNA data before the final prep for shotgun sequencing, or if they where using 454/PacBio with longer reads, each RNA strand (and thus, each gene part), would have a tag on it.) Given all the new developments going on with NGS in that very narrow time period, it's possible his team wasn't aware of barcoding or the sequencing facility didn't communicate it. (random ETA: it's been fun to watch the votes on this... I get the upvotes for an interesting comment, but the downvotes with no reply are bizarre. If there's something someone doesn't agree with here, I'd be happy to engage in a conversation)

Never heard of any credible EBO scientists coming out in the open. Not on Reddit for sure. And sadly, Bob Lazar has been deemed as a 2nd hand "useful idiot" by guys who have really worked on the program, like Jack Sarfatti.

The OP gave himself away as a fraud in the second paragraph. Government contractors do not have access to VA healthcare.

Also, if I disclose the name of the org, it can get me killed....then proceeds to disclose all of their secrets LOL.

But those “identifying” details may be intentionally sprinkled with misleading info, derived from various people so as to not be identifying of any specific person. Even the year 2018 might be inaccurate. Which year he quit conveys no real value to the reader. He could have left in 2019 or 2020 and it wouldn’t really change the content

Yes that’s what I said…. 

Hmm he left in 2018, but talks about how the Space Force took some assignments? Space Force was created in December 2019.

Wow, great catch. I’ve seen people crowing across subreddits about how this *sounds* fake. But that right there is a fact. Edit: I’ve just been reminded that even a dingus dumbo would lie about basic things like dates to cover their identity. But still, good catch.

This is nonsense. Small details. For example, having been in many secure facilities, secure facilities with classified storage and secure hangers (?) built into strip malls because it is exceedingly difficult to provide adequate physical security to force protection standards when you don’t control the building. The only place you see that is on tee-vee. NORAD doesn’t own tracking assets. Space force is USSF not SF, that’s special forces. For someone with an advanced degree (“teaching”) the author has the sophistication and narrative style of a 17 year old who has read a lot of UFO message boards. And finally, I can say with first hand experience, getting multiple national security agencies to collaborate on any topic is a rare feat and that only happens when there is a top down command structure. The description of a shadowy federated organization populated by anonymous goons spread across the globe makes for at best derivative speculative fiction.

Also claims to have worked in aerospace but then doesn't know simple things about aerospace... 

"F22" was a giveaway.

>For someone with an advanced degree (“teaching”) the author has the sophistication and narrative style of a 17 year old who has read a lot of UFO message boards. that was my first instinct too. he talks like a much younger person. definitely not someone born in the 60s/70s

To me at least this seems like it is just a rehash of the other 'whistleblower' accounts. Each department is something that has previously been mentioned, apart from these 'mystery wings' that they don't have reference for. For example: - Reverse engineering from Bob Lazar's accounts. - Custom molded metal from Roswell and other accounts. - Biology research from EBO Reddit post. - Crash retrievals from 4 Chan guy, including that the different shaped craft are for different purposes, large craft hide underwater, and also that their was a bad change in leadership at a certain point in time. - Also mentions the CIA being involved with crash retrievals, hinting at the OGA department being involved as was discussed last year. - Anthropology department from the Mormon guy's post (I suspect it is the same author, as there is a similar writing style, but could be wrong). - Mechanical engineering potentially from condorman article. Accidentally hit own reverse engineering craft could also be from this. - Adding a nuke to reverse engineered craft from Danny Sheehan's comments. - The craft's navigation system kind of sounds like the guild navigators from Dune. - Changes in how they look over time is similar to the bi-directional mimicry comments by Colm Kelleher. Calling them ayyyys and people Karen's feels too young for someone who is at least in their 50s. Also having a high turnover rate makes zero sense for a highly secretive project. Edit: now they are mentioning a mesh consciousness thing which sounds like the 'social memory complex' from the law of one. From other comments: - 'Navigation sounds like it’s pulled from the “Sekret Machines” book from TTSA.' - 'Ebe/Ebens is a term from Richard Doty / Planet Serpo story.'

The "high turnover" part makes no sense.

100% Lets have this super secret program with extreme security measures, does not correspond with people just waltzing in and out of like a summer camp. The other accounts at least made it make sense, e.g. from memory the EBO one mentioned they weren't the best scientist, but were chosen because they weren't likely to leave the job for personal reasons. I know people in normal lab jobs who were hired for this exact reason.

>Calling them ayyyys and people Karen's feels too young for someone who is at least in their 50s Yeah this is literally the 4chan slang for them, dude's not even hiding that it's a LARP

I don't get how people read past that and continued to take it seriously.

Also they are aren't meant to have interest in anything to do with aliens but somehow know this lingo.

That fact he implied they reverse engineered the navigation systems with no insight into how their computers work (is it von nueman based?) then jumps straight to a joke about calling the software programming language “ayy c” seems like they’re picking a random yet safe creative liberty which has a lot of implications that make it all very suspicious. Though he did say they worked it on paper so maybe that’s what they’re transcribing to as a high level by-hand decompilation similar to what modern disassemblers use?

Working on paper, but also it was a paperless office, no paper allowed.

- Ebe/Ebens is a term from Richard Doty / Planet Serpo story

Have a link to the Mormon guy’s post about anthropology?

https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/18cgurv

Sounds like pure fantasy. There are regular referrals to compartmentalization throughout yet they able to share supposed insight for every compartment of the program.

Why I’m skeptical of this post: 1. Someone who worked as a technician/engineer/scientist/project manager in the most highly secretive and compartmentalized program in the world would unlikely have such broad understanding and knowledge about how the overarching program is organized and what other compartments do. This is how top secret compartmentalized projects work: any single individual knows very little. 2. The language used in this post doesn’t strike me as the type of language a professional of this aptitude would employ. It’s not proof of course, but I find it very suspicious. I want to believe, but I’m having a hard time believing this particular poster.

They are referring to multiple technical topics they claim to be involved in, with vocabulary and understanding akin to a complete outsider with zero knowledge.  The idea of a gigantic robotic arm or assembly to mount a spacecraft on and rotate it... seemingly blew this dudes mind. He calls it a "rig" and thought it was part of the craft, but earlier claims to have been in aerospace.

Also says that there's a big game of cat and mouse to detect and track NHI craft, then says some people can summon them at will? Ok..

And that he'll be killed for sharing information, but someone summoning a UFO as a party trick just got them a reprimand.

They also state that they quit in February of 2018 and one of the facilities is in their home state. Surely that information alone would be enough to pin point this LARPer

Real ringer for me... >The number of crashes goes down exponentially because they learn to avoid the cause of the crash. Ah yes... interplanetary / galactic / dimensional travelers that *juuuuust* don't quite have it down... but started yeeting themselves toward our particular spacetime coordinates a few decades back... cause reasons.... and there's something unique to Earth that was causing them to crash? Plus... you know they learn from these crashes... how? Ok bud. lol I think I can suspend most of my human thought expectations / assumptions (value of life, resources, time, etc., even logic?), but this is a pretty tough pill to swallow.

I'll try to keep an open mind, but having, "or as a friend lovingly called them, "Ayyys"." in the first paragraph really makes me think he's just some dumbass from 4chan.

Says they don't want to and fears being identified and "won't give specifics", immediately gives enough specifics to be tracked down: "Not this university in my name", drone swarms specific research subject, is now a full time professor, time period of being hired, interviewed at weird specific location, their age range and potentially political alignment (base on jargon), bad at biology, more specifics about certain topics than others, one friend who has very specific nickname for NHI, if multiple types of NHI is real then they only worked with single type giving identification from compartment specific info, claims that they would now be working in X it still working in the program, knows US can use tech for last resort protection of necessary, worked HVAC and had previously made issues within the program due to complaints, previously worked at various contractors before being in the program, knows of one specific event that could have torn whole program apart (party summon), "hq in home state, which isnt DC or Nevada". Holy shit I legit lost track, I'm reading it again just to add more things that would narrow down who this person is. If it's real, they're an idiot who has no idea how to anonymize themselves. And then if not, a whole lot more people are in danger for telling them info that shouldn't have been shared outside of their compartment most likely. But again if it's real it's super cool info, but they've definitely put themselves in danger. Unless of course so much of the info is false with sprinkles of truth, specifically to hide themselves more, which is a possibility yeah.

Same story as everyone else’s. Nothing particularly new or unusual.

Not telling that's it's true (seems larping to me) but this is exactly like the real history it's gonna be: nothing new and unusual of what we already know.

Just a rehash of all the other rehashes. Top-secret compartmenalized research and he knows everything about everything that every compartment does. Can't give details because he will be found out, proceeds to write a detailed essay. Seriosly, people that believe a single word of this should have a long, hard look at themselves.

'Dave is the real deal.' - This is how you know that the whole thing is made up. Way to say abunch of things without actually almost not saying anything at all. That whole post could be: the crafts are shaped like a dreidel & the aliens look like the most generic aliens from movies you can imagine...also a guy who said to know incredible things but presented ZERO evidence tells the truth & a slight jab at Kirkpatrick (which is to be expected at this point). I guess it is trendy to be a ufo whistleblower, hell it kinda inspires me to make a new anon user and come up with one myself. Not doing that just highlighting how easy it would be cos it seems to be working for ufo/alien reddit isn't it.

Stop promoting larps.

This is a really cool read but it's probably some high school students final project for the semester lmao

Do you ACTUALLY believe any of this?

Not at all. To be fair I didn’t make it past the “the right people will believe me” line

"I quit in February of 2018. I worked for an agency that dealt with issues related to non-human intelligence." This right here will make insiders able to identify him.

I call bullshit on this. Too many red flags. First of all, sounds like it's been written by a 17 year old redditor, included some typical reddit slang ("She wasn't killed or anything, just called a dumbass and told to never, ever do that again."), not by a University professor in mechanical engineering. Plus the guy doesn't really know anything, he just reports rumors on this or that. Second, even these "rumors" are copy paste of many other different accounts from Reddit or 4Chan, they don't add anything to the unconfirmed rumors we have. Some more bs are the guy calling a UFO on the party or the dangerous job of strapping nukes to the UFO replicas, like it's not obvious that wathever military technology would first be tested with a blank loaded bomb and not a battle ready nuke.. Seriously, what the heck.

dude types like a 4channer larper people fall for this crap?

Sounds like a LARPer, “yeah NHI are real and I worked on them and they do all sorts of sci-fi stuff, of course I’ll be killed if I give any specifics so tally-ho”

So many red flags, it's likely churned out by generative AI and then post-edited. SCIF in a private home?! An office next to a fashion studio and a dentist but with heavy security? No one asking questions? No stovepiping, a guy working in one area knows all about the rest? BS squared.

This is such a lark post

>Saying the name would get me killed. I wish I were exaggerating, I was told the name at the start of the interview, and I had never heard of it before. An agency that'll kill you for repeating its name giving that name *in the interview*? Biggest red flag possible. It's literally a joke trope. >Its main job is to strap a nuke to a reverse-engineered craft and just see what the hell happens. [Uh huh](https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/129qn54/i_typed_out_the_exchange_on_why_humans_run_the/). >NORAD was moved to Cheyenne NORAD was built there originally. Also switching some function from AF to USSF does not change that function, just which administrative division it falls within. Also, USSF is still USAF kinda how USMC is still USN. >what I'll call crash recovery because that's what colleagues who are planning to come forward will call it We'll see this shortly before the rapture, immediately following catastrophic disclosure , about a month or 2 after Trump's tax returns are released. Don't fall for the so-secret-it-can't-be-classified fanfic (or disinfo op), people. Especially when The Fonz is a senior scientist and the post has a *lot* world-building. It is creative and entertaining, though.

Not inspired by the post on r/aliens. This person provides too much identifiable information (nature of work, when they ended that work, that they are now a professor) while also saying, "if I told you the program name I would die." Those things are incompatible.

Yeah just revealing the name would get you killed, but apparently using inside knowledge to summon a ufo for a party trick just gets you a stern talking to. Also, they have trouble capturing them, in a constant game of outmaneuvering previous tactics, but some drunkard wanting to do a trick can summon them? lol If that worked they would absolutely be running a psyop to get random people to summon them so they could go run a crash and retrieve operation.

>while also saying, "if I told you the program name I would die." Those things are incompatible. Also just posting it on reddit lmao. Like if this secret keeping group that would do anything (even murder) to keep their secret safe actually existed, they would just find this person and kill them. They sealed their fate by posting it on the internet regardless of whether or not they had identifiable info.

Also using some wording which is clearly not used by professors.

You mean to tell me referring to aliens as Ayys is not common in academia?

Alright, I've read through the replies to this post as well as the replies to the OG post. Time to check in on the Power Rankings... The "WHO HAS THE MOST CREDULOUS REDITTORS?" POWER RANKINGS are as follows: # 2. r/UFOs # 1. r/Aliens Congrats, r/Aliens. Stay vigilant.

There are two important statements in the article: 1. "I worked for an agency... studies NHI," (near the beginning), and, 2. "I teach full-time" (near the end). I believe the second is the less-believable one, since the story that occurs in between seems to have been written by someone who is still very much a student.

A high school student, yes; exactly.

Definitely reads like fiction.

Submission Statement Saw this post linked in one of the discussions here. Thought it was something that might be of interest to people and to see what people thought. It is similar in vein to that 4Chan post on UAPs coming from undersea facilities. In fact there is a mention of UAPs using the oceans to conceal themselves. The post is quite detailed but once again, no idea if a Larp or something more.

When I saw that post it was 6 hours old with only the auto mod comments on it. I hope OP comes back to check on it and answers questions. Here's the notes I took https://old.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1cqwpdx/i_worked_on_a_team_that_dealt_with_with_nhi/ sighting description, at work, entity, OP is a university professor currently, previous career in aviation, landed craft, crash retrieval, acorn 🌰 shape, shaped like a dreidel without the handle., The shape was directly informed by its purpose. Every shape is custom molded in a metallic material that would revolutionize the way we travel if we had it. , I'll call it crash recovery because that's what colleagues who are planning to come forward will call it, shootdown, the NHI look like the aliens from close encounters. As far as I know, we never had one alive.,NHI know we can track them, and know how to avoid us.,NHI are linked to their craft in a way that borders on biological. Security rule is people that mention the agency name are killed. It's not a question, and it happened during my time. You'll hear more about them as news about the retaliation Dave comes out., If the US comes out directly and says "We have craft, we have bodies", it means we are on the verge of a serious global conflict like we've never seen before. [GOODPOST] https://web.archive.org/web/20240513180353/https://old.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1cqwpdx/i_worked_on_a_team_that_dealt_with_with_nhi/ Archive

The one part that didn’t strike me as consistent with the poster saying he wasn’t giving specifics to protect their identity is the mention of being a university professor now. Isn’t that a pretty easy detail to follow up on for people running such a secretive program who apparently have used lethal methods to stop people from talking ? Unless that was thrown in as an intentional red herring

Maybe? Seems like a path that others must have taken, too, though. And it sounds like a lot of people worked on the program. I'm certain that the people who monitor Reddit can identify him, though.

Yes I thought the same thing about the amount of detail left in. But I have a feeling those details were thought out. Especially for someone claiming to want to be very careful.

I got kind of a "fuck it" vibe too. Mentioning other people coming forward. I hope that happens and I hope they're OK.

He mentioned a shoot down of “one of our own” contributing to his leaving around 2018. Are there any suspected shoot down/retrievals in the 2017 2018 time frame you can think of? True or not, was a fun read. He either intentionally included red hearings or is larping, because it would not be difficult to track him down based off the information he included if one had proper info, as I imagine the security team obviously does. 

Are you talking about this part >>This leads to scenarios where NORAD will report an object, and the tracking team will silently acknowledge, but give no explanation. This lead to a catastrophic incident that happened after I left but knew about from a colleague. Not sure about the dates there. My first thought on that was mh370 but idk Edit: yeah the dates don't line up

Condorman….Thoth.

No, a bit earlier. But upon re reading, I’m not sure if he meant before or after we gained access to it. “ We had a recovered craft that worked almost perfectly that was shot down by ourselves. I saw this coming, and it's part of why I quit. There's a lot of information about this wing in the public sphere”

Ah... hmm...I read that as he didn't like that we shot it down, but not that it was ours.... but maybe? I don't know about any weird crashes in 2017/8

2023

WOW! Fascinating if true. He sounds credible enough but maybe I am a sucker for punishment.

It fits with other stuff we've heard..except for the "no live aliens" part. Maybe he just never saw one there.

>  It fits with other stuff we've heard.. Which is unfortunately also what you'd expect from a larper hanging in the same places as us online

Exactly. People take this kind of stuff as ‘corroboration’ instead of just playing off stories and details everyone already knows.

That's 90% of "ufology"

With Grusch being public and all the well-credentialed people he has backing him up, there’s no reason for anyone with knowledge not to attempt to work with him to release information and get it on record in a legal manner, especially if they’re already removed from the supposed situation. There are protections for legal whistleblowers, not so much for anonymous online leakers. Stories like this are fun to read but they’re just stories unless they’re willing to put forth real evidence or come forward publicly. People really enjoy writing fiction on the internet.

Just trust me bro story.

Another LARP. Not badly written, but a LARP nonetheless. [https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1cqwpdx/comment/l3xpsyp/](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1cqwpdx/comment/l3xpsyp/)

honestly this feels like an amalgamation of other LARP posts with some extrapolations. i don’t buy this as much as the 4chan post but it still has some interesting world-building elements that are fun to think about. feels a little bit like control

I stopped when he said just naming the agency could get him killed yet they told him the name of the agency upfront during his interview? Right. Ok.

"we called them EBE's or ayyy" yea lmao you lost me here bro

Ok. Help me out here. The OP says they cannot divulge specific information that might identify them. Then immediately says they're a Professor at a university. Pretty sure any such program will have oversight of veterans and past employees. Willing to guess they don't all become Professors. So either misdirection or an attempt by OP to add brevity to their story (what's that reddit term again for a really well fleshed up but made up story? - edit: ah yes Larping.) without the required considerations for repercussions.

Well I know a lot of people here don’t believe his post, and I’m not saying I do, but for the first time EVER we have a way to verify the veracity. In the comments, OP said to look for a whistleblower with an Indiana University pin when he finally comes out. Sure, it’s not now, but a lot of us are going to be looking really awkward if a whistleblower comes out with that pin on

This so clearly, demonstrably an attempt to birth a Reddit version of the 4Chan Leaker (whom, despite the chances its a LARP, Im not convinced it is a LARP). I can prove it. The 4Chan Leaker - professional biologist/science background folks have commented & pointed out that while they have no clue about the veracity of his story.. the author obviously has superior grasp of biology/chemistry/medicine/science. Like top tier level. Which makes it seem incredibly unlikely its a random LARPer kid in his bedroom just fucking around. This post and its author contains nothing, nothing of any sort. No advanced understanding of physics or propulsion or even basic spook-speak. Nothing that a creative mind (with an interest in UFOlogy) + ChatGPT couldnt spin up in an afternoon.

Yeah, at least they were interesting even if they were hoaxes.

Another small cog that has a complete overview of the whole workings of the most secretive part of humanity (allegedly). There's nothing new here, really, only building on known lore. Possible logical error: first attributing crashes to nuclear interference with the navigation, then to nhi stress-like brainfart. But also: why avoidance of those previous crash spots if it was just a brainfart? Is this a larp seeding disinfo before Grusch or Elizondo get to publish something?

Just finished reading it. I'm a believer, but it felt kinda larpy.

>*"Triangles are the most impressive design, and we don't have one. It's likely China does, leadership is mad about that. This team discovered, a long time ago, that the reason why craft appear so bright to us humans is because it's not really "light" but rather the product of the crazy amounts of power these craft require. Sort of like smoke coming out of an exhaust pipe."* Yeah this part seems very LARPy. A background in mechanical engineering and they explain this like a 5 year old. This is why I enjoyed posts like the EBO Scientist, because that actually used esoteric terminology and demonstrated a deep understanding of the subject matter.

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His colleague was "harshly punished" for summoning a UFO but also just told not to do it again. 

And people on this sub and the alien sub are eating this nonsense up. 😂😂

I only looked at a few dozen comments on the alien sub, but all the ones I saw were calling it out for the BS it is.

Remember the MH370 nonsense? lol

😂 that was one of the best parts. I love creative writing, entertaining read

Why do you think it is “boring” ?. Not saying it is believable or not but it was an entertaining read

What did you find particularly entertaining about it? Was anything new really added to the 'lore'? To me at least it seemed like it was just a rehash of the other 'whistleblower' accounts. Each department was something that has previously been mentioned. Apart from these 'mystery wings' that they didn't have a reference for. For example: - Reverse engineering from Bob Lazar's accounts. - Custom molded metal from Roswell and other accounts. - Biology research from EBO Reddit post. - Crash retrievals from 4 Chan guy, including that the different shaped craft are for different purposes, large craft hide underwater, and also that their was a bad change in leadership at a certain point in time. - Also mentions the CIA being involved with crash retrievals, hinting at the OGA department being involved as was discussed last year. - Anthropology department from the Mormon guy's post (I suspect it is the same author, as there is a similar writing style, but could be wrong). - Mechanical engineering potentially from condorman article. Accidentally hit own reverse engineering craft could also be from this. - Adding a nuke to reverse engineered craft from Danny Sheehan's comments. - The craft's navigation system kind of sounds like the guild navigators from Dune. - Changes in how they look over time is similar to the bi-directional mimicry comments by Colm Kelleher. Calling them ayyyys and people Karen's feels too young for someone who is at least in their 50s. Also having a high turnover rate makes zero sense for a highly secretive project.

Don't feed the trolls

I mean, me personally I found it incredibly boring, and I’m not a troll, the first three paragraphs felt empty and devoid of any pertinent facts that aren’t, A.) Already known from throughout UAP History, Or, B.) Completely useless for confirming or denying that this person had any advanced technical knowledge that would also make them worthy of being in this area of work. I dunno it was so dry and poorly organized that I couldn’t get through it

What's the weirdest DM you've received because of this post? Please share if you can

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This previous 'whistleblower' heavily implied a BYU/Mormon connection. https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/18cgurv

Bet we could find him with that reddit user name and surf hoosier forums and the age. There's a guy in there that says hes 66 posted this year. https://indiana.forums.rivals.com/threads/your-age-and-when.238929/ Look up that username find a name find a linkedin I'm internet detective daddy.

I am more prone than most to believe posts like this and I zero percent believe this one.

Any reports from the flat earth community?

If there was an agency using assassination to prevent an investigation, people like Grusch, Elizondo or senators Schumer and Rounds would have been dead for years. That publication is another LARP and unoriginal to boot.

Time to storm area 51

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There are a few aspects of the post that raise some red flags and inconsistencies: 1. Use of vague terminology: Frequent use of vague terms like "NHI", "Ayyys", "wings" etc. without providing full explanations allows the narrative to remain ambiguous. 2. Lack of verifiable details: No specific names, dates, locations or other confirmable facts are provided that could lend credibility. Even the author's background is kept intentionally vague. 3. Paradoxical secrecy claims: The claim that the agency is so secret that divulging the name would get the author killed, yet also stating the name may leave a paper trail in public documents, seems paradoxical. 4. Merging of conspiracy theories: Elements like reverse-engineering alien craft, study of Biblical angels, disinformation campaigns by security teams align with popular UFO/alien conspiracy theories. 5. Convenience of anonymity: The author uses anonymity as a convenient excuse for not providing any evidence to back up their incredible claims. 6. Over-dramatic tone: Lines like "render every single current global issue obsolete" and references to being "paralyzed or dead" if identified have an overly dramatic, sensationalized tone. Potential green flags: 1. Level of technical detail: Provides a fairly high level of specific technical detail about things like the dreidel shape of the craft, the materials it's made of, the 3D Dijkstra navigation algorithm, the biological human-craft interface, and the effects of nuclear testing. 2. Nuanced view of the agency: The account doesn't paint the agency in an entirely positive or negative light. It acknowledges frustrations with stagnation but also seemingly rational decision-making by leadership given the limited information. 3. Internal consistency: The different "wings" like engineering, biology, weapons research, etc. follow an internally consistent logic for how such an agency might be structured to study this phenomenon. 4. Acknowledgment of potential hoax: The author directly acknowledges that some may dismiss their post as a hoax, suggesting at least some self-awareness. 5. Tangible career background: The career history provided, starting in aerospace engineering and contracting, establishes some plausible background for potentially being recruited. 6. Reasonable speculation: While unverified, some of the speculation, like NHIs experimenting on humans/animals or different species theories being disinformation, doesn't seem fundamentally unreasonable if such entities existed.