The following submission statement was provided by /u/Alarming_Breath_3110:
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SS: Regardless of your feelings about Greer (who can be his own worst enemy), one cannot negate the legitimacy of some of his materials and witnesses. This clip features 2 witnesses. 1) Witness "M.S" who allows the host to record the call. He talks about working as a contractor at Dugway Proving Grounds, when he stumbled upon a UAP operation. 2) Witness "T.B", who is far more reluctant to discuss his experience. He served for decades as a US Army Special Agent, when he became aware of unacknowledged special access programs. Host makes an ethical call in emphasizing that TB is and will deny anything -- for obvious reasons. Truly, we don't have enough genuine investigative journalism in this community. Folks are are willing to dig, investigate, access the materials and for sources. We have too many talking heads who put their spin on what's already known, without investigation.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dcwiqn/nothing_like_being_brought_into_an_investigation/l80sy93/
We subs have challenged each other not just to hit him up on Patreon but get his name a household name. He’s an engineer and that’s his day job. But we hope that this becomes his full time job. His material is so informative— we need more of it
Glad you called that out. So fed up with having agendas shoved up my ass. Gerbs leaves wide berth for his subs to think/conclude for ourselves. He gives his conclusions but nothing gets "sold" to us
I agree. Too many people are just debating endlessly disclosure or making videos out of other people's research. The likes of David Jacobs, Budd Hopkins and Stanton Freidman are rarer and rarer these days.
Yeah, i hear you. I've become more reliant on independents like Gerbs. Big media, MIC, Wall Street and legislative bodies have their hands in each other's pockets and swap bodies (on Boards of Directors, executive level management) so I don't trust them at all.
I remember not to long ago when I was at a world wide news provider. Then they required 3 sources confirming a story before they printed.
Their work was always accurate, but a bit late. They have since given up on that and just post the story after one source. All because of clicks
Depressing
It truly is. Not just this subject matter -- but world news. Its crazy -- when one travels to different countries/continents and reads the local papers/watches local news channels - how different the "news" is. Is there genuinely information that is actual, genuine "news?" It is all so sanitized, agenda promoting, slanted, tampered with, etc etc etc People thought George Orwell was crazy -- an over active imagination. He certainly called it right
All I can hope for is that the push being made by many (myself included) to help get this sort of research out there in the first place eventually ends up in its proper coverage.
Keep on diggin, Gerb and everyone else.
Gerb is quite simply the best UFO journalist (Yes journalist) with completely free content out there right now. If there is better I stand to be corrected.
Watch ALL his videos and then GIVE HIM YOUR MONEY so we can watch even more great stories.
SS: Regardless of your feelings about Greer (who can be his own worst enemy), one cannot negate the legitimacy of some of his materials and witnesses. This clip features 2 witnesses. 1) Witness "M.S" who allows the host to record the call. He talks about working as a contractor at Dugway Proving Grounds, when he stumbled upon a UAP operation. 2) Witness "T.B", who is far more reluctant to discuss his experience. He served for decades as a US Army Special Agent, when he became aware of unacknowledged special access programs. Host makes an ethical call in emphasizing that TB is and will deny anything -- for obvious reasons. Truly, we don't have enough genuine investigative journalism in this community. Folks are are willing to dig, investigate, access the materials and for sources. We have too many talking heads who put their spin on what's already known, without investigation.
It’s unfortunate that Greer went off into the deep end. I’m sure he’s got plenty of content worth digging into, but his credibility has taken such hits that, at this point, it’s difficult to determine fact from fiction. I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater though…
Agree! He really effed it up — due to his over sized ago. The burden is on us to waft through it all. Love him or loathe him, some of his material and witnesses can’t be negated. And muckedy muck military folks trust him. He just needs to check his ego at the door
Early sub — since Wilson Davis. Incredible how fast he’s growing. We subs are truly loyal to and champion him. That’s another differentiator w him. Subs are devoted and he hasn’t suffered from too many trolls
Great video.
Although it's slightly concerning how easily a random youtuber got a hold of two anonymous/redacted witnesses.
Still, great content. Lots of work put into this one.
I’d challenge the term “random.” It’s clear that not only does he know people—but he has relationships w/ them Read through comments on his videos— people like former Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet chiming in. People like Ross Coulhart or Chris Melon pinning/ posting his work, He has a strong following by military folks— several of whom initiated contact w him (or gave him intel) vs him initiating. He’s a jujitsu and MMA practitioner— which he practices (and/ or mentors) w/ some well known names in this community) His subs are devoted— and are flabbergasted how humble he is with all there is to know about him. There’s no question, he’s plugged in. Also, he differentiates himself vs hosts with 20x his subs. Why? There are very few actually investigating. We have so few detectives who scour rigorously to find the dote—and intelligently analyzes and connects with smart conclusions. And while he has “only 5500 subs, he’s only been at this for 4 months. Finally, the term “nuts and bolts” is over used as there truly are so few. He is the quintessential nuts n bolts guy— no drama, fanfare, ego building, agenda promoting
We love to jump on anything resembling interesting info without even stepping back and looking at it. I don’t like it when people mess with working class dudes and affect their lives like this. If you’ve ever had a need to go into a secure-ish government facility, you know you can’t go in unescorted-and I’m talking a random federal building to change out HVAC filters and some capacitors not a secretive military base. Seems like this poor dude stumbled into a SAP with an engine and housing strung up more than a UFO. We used to have funny photos like that in our locker areas and break rooms, too. Like Bigfoot and stuff. Sadly, I’m not buying this Greer witness either. Of all people-extraordinary things happen to this one guy on three occasions? Dude of course the counter intel guys want to figure you out in case you’re a foreign spy looking at test projects. Nothing about this screams anything but a dude who is both gullible and has an imagination.
Assuming parts of these witnesses stories are true...can anyone speculate where tf these programs are acquiring $57 million+ in hundred dollar bills?
Also, Ive always thought John Lear was straight up batshit crazy but every month that passes, there are more anecdotal stories that seem to corroborate a lot of his claims. This reality keeps getting stranger.
>one cannot negate the legitimacy of some of his materials and witnesses
>Host makes an ethical call in emphasizing that TB is and will deny anything -- for obvious reasons.
So you're asking us to consider a witness who you've just warned us *will outright lie when asked about a particular subject*, and then, knowing this, *you want us to believe what that witness says about that subject?*
No. That's not how witness credibility works. I am negating the legitimacy of that witness, and I am negating it right now and *hard*.
First get us a witness *who is not an admitted outright liar on the subject at hand*. Then let's hear *their* testimony.
If the fairly low bar of "will not directly lie when questioned" requires screening out everyone involved in high military office, well then. It screens out everyone involved in high military office.
Or has lying just become so endemic in American society over the last few decades that the Reddit audience can't imagine there being anyone who *wouldn't* flat lie on an important subject when questioned? If so, then you have a *major* problem in your country's immediate future, that UFOs aren't going to fix.
Fair enough. I can’t stand Greer and his over sized ego. I don’t want to toss the baby w/ the bath water though. Greer is an A-1 asshole— but that doesn’t negate the legitimacy of some of his material and witnesses. Plus, whether they like him or not, big military names trust him. I can’t overlook that. And I won’t give Greer the power to turn me away from topics— just because he’s referenced in them. I get it
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Alarming_Breath_3110: --- SS: Regardless of your feelings about Greer (who can be his own worst enemy), one cannot negate the legitimacy of some of his materials and witnesses. This clip features 2 witnesses. 1) Witness "M.S" who allows the host to record the call. He talks about working as a contractor at Dugway Proving Grounds, when he stumbled upon a UAP operation. 2) Witness "T.B", who is far more reluctant to discuss his experience. He served for decades as a US Army Special Agent, when he became aware of unacknowledged special access programs. Host makes an ethical call in emphasizing that TB is and will deny anything -- for obvious reasons. Truly, we don't have enough genuine investigative journalism in this community. Folks are are willing to dig, investigate, access the materials and for sources. We have too many talking heads who put their spin on what's already known, without investigation. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dcwiqn/nothing_like_being_brought_into_an_investigation/l80sy93/
UAP Gerb is really moving the needle forward by presenting this great research. Let's get some more eyes on his channel!!
We subs have challenged each other not just to hit him up on Patreon but get his name a household name. He’s an engineer and that’s his day job. But we hope that this becomes his full time job. His material is so informative— we need more of it
Watched this last night. Hate Greer, loved this researcher’s video. Great investigative work.
Agree. Had to separate my feelings about Greer from the material itself
That is exactly what Gerb says himself.
It’s obvious Gerbs doesn’t care for him. But like journalists do— the good ones— he neutralizes his feelings from the content
Yes, he's very savvy and incredibly neutral when it comes to any biases and that helps to set him apart from many other content creators.
Glad you called that out. So fed up with having agendas shoved up my ass. Gerbs leaves wide berth for his subs to think/conclude for ourselves. He gives his conclusions but nothing gets "sold" to us
I agree. Too many people are just debating endlessly disclosure or making videos out of other people's research. The likes of David Jacobs, Budd Hopkins and Stanton Freidman are rarer and rarer these days.
Exactly!
Excellent material here.
He makes me realize how truly rare investigative journalism is regarding UFO/USO/UAP
Investigative journalism is very rare nowadays in general. Too dangerous for journalists to do so
True that. But I can’t stand it when some of the big voices are taking others hard work and throwing their spin on it. This started happening w Gerbs.
Been happening since the 80:s. Shame really
Yeah, i hear you. I've become more reliant on independents like Gerbs. Big media, MIC, Wall Street and legislative bodies have their hands in each other's pockets and swap bodies (on Boards of Directors, executive level management) so I don't trust them at all.
I remember not to long ago when I was at a world wide news provider. Then they required 3 sources confirming a story before they printed. Their work was always accurate, but a bit late. They have since given up on that and just post the story after one source. All because of clicks Depressing
It truly is. Not just this subject matter -- but world news. Its crazy -- when one travels to different countries/continents and reads the local papers/watches local news channels - how different the "news" is. Is there genuinely information that is actual, genuine "news?" It is all so sanitized, agenda promoting, slanted, tampered with, etc etc etc People thought George Orwell was crazy -- an over active imagination. He certainly called it right
All I can hope for is that the push being made by many (myself included) to help get this sort of research out there in the first place eventually ends up in its proper coverage. Keep on diggin, Gerb and everyone else.
Amen!
Like and subscribe and give him MONEY.
Gerb is quite simply the best UFO journalist (Yes journalist) with completely free content out there right now. If there is better I stand to be corrected. Watch ALL his videos and then GIVE HIM YOUR MONEY so we can watch even more great stories.
My sentiments exactly!
SS: Regardless of your feelings about Greer (who can be his own worst enemy), one cannot negate the legitimacy of some of his materials and witnesses. This clip features 2 witnesses. 1) Witness "M.S" who allows the host to record the call. He talks about working as a contractor at Dugway Proving Grounds, when he stumbled upon a UAP operation. 2) Witness "T.B", who is far more reluctant to discuss his experience. He served for decades as a US Army Special Agent, when he became aware of unacknowledged special access programs. Host makes an ethical call in emphasizing that TB is and will deny anything -- for obvious reasons. Truly, we don't have enough genuine investigative journalism in this community. Folks are are willing to dig, investigate, access the materials and for sources. We have too many talking heads who put their spin on what's already known, without investigation.
It’s unfortunate that Greer went off into the deep end. I’m sure he’s got plenty of content worth digging into, but his credibility has taken such hits that, at this point, it’s difficult to determine fact from fiction. I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater though…
Agree! He really effed it up — due to his over sized ago. The burden is on us to waft through it all. Love him or loathe him, some of his material and witnesses can’t be negated. And muckedy muck military folks trust him. He just needs to check his ego at the door
Yup. Greer made it a whole lot tougher for us—as we have to sift through the ego shit from the nuggets
Gerb is a Legend. Followed him from his first few videos. Quality content. Everybody here should go sub to him.
Early sub — since Wilson Davis. Incredible how fast he’s growing. We subs are truly loyal to and champion him. That’s another differentiator w him. Subs are devoted and he hasn’t suffered from too many trolls
Great video. Although it's slightly concerning how easily a random youtuber got a hold of two anonymous/redacted witnesses. Still, great content. Lots of work put into this one.
I’d challenge the term “random.” It’s clear that not only does he know people—but he has relationships w/ them Read through comments on his videos— people like former Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet chiming in. People like Ross Coulhart or Chris Melon pinning/ posting his work, He has a strong following by military folks— several of whom initiated contact w him (or gave him intel) vs him initiating. He’s a jujitsu and MMA practitioner— which he practices (and/ or mentors) w/ some well known names in this community) His subs are devoted— and are flabbergasted how humble he is with all there is to know about him. There’s no question, he’s plugged in. Also, he differentiates himself vs hosts with 20x his subs. Why? There are very few actually investigating. We have so few detectives who scour rigorously to find the dote—and intelligently analyzes and connects with smart conclusions. And while he has “only 5500 subs, he’s only been at this for 4 months. Finally, the term “nuts and bolts” is over used as there truly are so few. He is the quintessential nuts n bolts guy— no drama, fanfare, ego building, agenda promoting
We love to jump on anything resembling interesting info without even stepping back and looking at it. I don’t like it when people mess with working class dudes and affect their lives like this. If you’ve ever had a need to go into a secure-ish government facility, you know you can’t go in unescorted-and I’m talking a random federal building to change out HVAC filters and some capacitors not a secretive military base. Seems like this poor dude stumbled into a SAP with an engine and housing strung up more than a UFO. We used to have funny photos like that in our locker areas and break rooms, too. Like Bigfoot and stuff. Sadly, I’m not buying this Greer witness either. Of all people-extraordinary things happen to this one guy on three occasions? Dude of course the counter intel guys want to figure you out in case you’re a foreign spy looking at test projects. Nothing about this screams anything but a dude who is both gullible and has an imagination.
Assuming parts of these witnesses stories are true...can anyone speculate where tf these programs are acquiring $57 million+ in hundred dollar bills? Also, Ive always thought John Lear was straight up batshit crazy but every month that passes, there are more anecdotal stories that seem to corroborate a lot of his claims. This reality keeps getting stranger.
UAPGERB is setting the bar for next level investigative journalism. There literally is no one that comes even close to what he’s doing
Uap Gerb does incredible work, and if you’re into the subject but haven’t checked out his channel, you definitely should.
>one cannot negate the legitimacy of some of his materials and witnesses >Host makes an ethical call in emphasizing that TB is and will deny anything -- for obvious reasons. So you're asking us to consider a witness who you've just warned us *will outright lie when asked about a particular subject*, and then, knowing this, *you want us to believe what that witness says about that subject?* No. That's not how witness credibility works. I am negating the legitimacy of that witness, and I am negating it right now and *hard*. First get us a witness *who is not an admitted outright liar on the subject at hand*. Then let's hear *their* testimony. If the fairly low bar of "will not directly lie when questioned" requires screening out everyone involved in high military office, well then. It screens out everyone involved in high military office. Or has lying just become so endemic in American society over the last few decades that the Reddit audience can't imagine there being anyone who *wouldn't* flat lie on an important subject when questioned? If so, then you have a *major* problem in your country's immediate future, that UFOs aren't going to fix.
Greers vault is amazing it is the place to be and everyone who isnt has been corrupted by psyops.
I read the name Greer, I give a downvote.
Fair enough. I can’t stand Greer and his over sized ego. I don’t want to toss the baby w/ the bath water though. Greer is an A-1 asshole— but that doesn’t negate the legitimacy of some of his material and witnesses. Plus, whether they like him or not, big military names trust him. I can’t overlook that. And I won’t give Greer the power to turn me away from topics— just because he’s referenced in them. I get it
Well this can go straight into the bin