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Yeah, was about to apply to a trainee services manager in auto industry, and they are asking for min 2 years of experience at SENIOR advisor roles lmao.
Isn't that funny? The more I looked at the job advert, the more I thought they had just mixed up two different job adverts, because it makes no sense.
The whole advert is just crazy. Three paragraphs, two of which cancel each other out in terms of what the job actually is. They are either so unserious or so incompetent that they have mixed up two different job adverts.
''Really we are not looking for a service advisor. We want to employee a future service manager. You must be an experienced service advisor, or even a workshop controller.'' Direct quote, including the 'want to employee' part.
No, it isn't. Managing people when you've no idea what their job actually entails tends to lead to shit management.
Spelling/semantic errors or flat out idiocy like that tend to put me off though aye.
fwiw I've found depressingly often that examples like this are a copy and paste job gone wrong
ETA... That sounds right anyway no? Senior advisor isn't a management role, but they would realistically want relevant job experience to train someone presumably external into a manager?
Couple of years ago I applied for a trainee welder role aimed at adults looking to reskill into a trade.
Like, a good third of the post was stating that they were explicitly looking for someone a bit older, explicitly with **zero** experience, explicitly so they could train you from the ground up.
Got a phone interview to run through motivation and reasons for wanting to reskill. Passed... Nice!
Got a proper interview, went well. Nice!
Fast forward a week, receive an email thanking me for my time however they had progressed with another candidate who had some past relevant experience.
Absolute cunts.
Nope, still stuck in sales begging for another post like that come up.
Just checked and it was almost three years ago to the day, I check most job boards almost every day and have not seen another one since!
I live in a top floor flat so couldn't, and it was less welding specifically I wanted to do, I just wanted a practical trade if you get me
The one I've just shot off is for an HGV mechanic role, which *is* something I've wanted to do since I was a small child!!
Had it happen with an apprenticeship as well when I was younger, but I suppose having someone start from 10% is better than someone starting from 0%, it still fits the criteria of a trainee / apprentice
Sometimes a trainee can be someone with education and some experience that’s relatable but not directly the position.
For example, a manager trainee role can still ask for some experience such as supervision or a business degree, but you’ll still be a trainee manager because you’re not actually managing, just learning
Mixture of devalued qualifications and shit job market. Started to happen years ago. Jobs that only required a couple of GCSEs got people with A levels applying. A-level jobs got HNC and HND applicants. Jobs that were typically HNC, at best, graduates started applying( programming/ coding wasn’t previously seen as a graduate level job)
Nowadays why not hire the guy with 10yrs experience if he is willing to work for that low wage?
To pay them less. I joined a “trainee” role but ended up doing the job which experienced people on double my salary couldn’t hack doing! Fresher people usually have more tenacity to succeed too. I was dumped on a high profile client and expected to swim (which I did) but was on a really bad salary.
- If someone more experience applies, it makes sense to hire them over someone that needs training
- Trainees doesn't necessarily mean you're fresh off the boat but can be lacking in a specific task or career change. They could have past skills that could be transferable.
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Usually because they use the same interview template. There not looking for you to answer every question but to at least give it a go and see what you come up with
The training will consist oddly just showing the employee where things are and any procedures they may do. They don’t actually train in those circumstances.
Many have given the boring "so they can pay you less" answer but as others have said this can equally be seen in a positive light ie they're actually gonna teach you some new skills
I can beat that- I applied to a niche job where experience was mandatory (in capital letters) and I had 5 years (like I say, a niche role). They gave it to some blonde girl fresh out of school. Didn’t even try to hide the corruption in the hiring process. That’s the civil service for you, jobs for the girls.
Since when did trainee equate to having no relevant experience?
Trainee means someone they are actively training in a post and contributing to their development and education in the field. That is why the post exists...for to train someone up. That's not the same as completing training in a non trainee post.
The issue is you've fundamentally misunderstood what a trainee position is.
Unless you can provide me with a definitive definition that states trainee positions mean the person has to have no experience. You can't, but I'd be genuinely interested in what you'd consider evidence.
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So they can justify the shit pay.
Because they can get away with it
Yeah, was about to apply to a trainee services manager in auto industry, and they are asking for min 2 years of experience at SENIOR advisor roles lmao.
So... A trainee manager requesting experience as one of the senior role that would be reporting to you?
Isn't that funny? The more I looked at the job advert, the more I thought they had just mixed up two different job adverts, because it makes no sense. The whole advert is just crazy. Three paragraphs, two of which cancel each other out in terms of what the job actually is. They are either so unserious or so incompetent that they have mixed up two different job adverts. ''Really we are not looking for a service advisor. We want to employee a future service manager. You must be an experienced service advisor, or even a workshop controller.'' Direct quote, including the 'want to employee' part.
No, it isn't. Managing people when you've no idea what their job actually entails tends to lead to shit management. Spelling/semantic errors or flat out idiocy like that tend to put me off though aye.
fwiw I've found depressingly often that examples like this are a copy and paste job gone wrong ETA... That sounds right anyway no? Senior advisor isn't a management role, but they would realistically want relevant job experience to train someone presumably external into a manager?
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Ah fair. I've hypocritically got mad at similar quite often, but yeah this sounds like a botched copy paste job!
Couple of years ago I applied for a trainee welder role aimed at adults looking to reskill into a trade. Like, a good third of the post was stating that they were explicitly looking for someone a bit older, explicitly with **zero** experience, explicitly so they could train you from the ground up. Got a phone interview to run through motivation and reasons for wanting to reskill. Passed... Nice! Got a proper interview, went well. Nice! Fast forward a week, receive an email thanking me for my time however they had progressed with another candidate who had some past relevant experience. Absolute cunts.
This happened with an accounting role. I thought I was perfect and asked for feedback but was left unread Oh well
Did you end up re-skilling?
Nope, still stuck in sales begging for another post like that come up. Just checked and it was almost three years ago to the day, I check most job boards almost every day and have not seen another one since!
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Dunno if feasible but could you buy a DIY kit and try your hand at doing some basic stuff? Would probably go down well at the interview
I live in a top floor flat so couldn't, and it was less welding specifically I wanted to do, I just wanted a practical trade if you get me The one I've just shot off is for an HGV mechanic role, which *is* something I've wanted to do since I was a small child!!
Had it happen with an apprenticeship as well when I was younger, but I suppose having someone start from 10% is better than someone starting from 0%, it still fits the criteria of a trainee / apprentice
Just means you’ll be working for trainee pay at whatever level experience they want. Gives them a few extra years without having to give you a payrise
" Trainee Manager" is the biggest honeytrap in recruitment
Sometimes a trainee can be someone with education and some experience that’s relatable but not directly the position. For example, a manager trainee role can still ask for some experience such as supervision or a business degree, but you’ll still be a trainee manager because you’re not actually managing, just learning
because its a buzzword for low pay.
It's easier to train someone with experience If you offer the same terms to two people and one has more experience, which will you pick?
Supply and demand my friend
Mixture of devalued qualifications and shit job market. Started to happen years ago. Jobs that only required a couple of GCSEs got people with A levels applying. A-level jobs got HNC and HND applicants. Jobs that were typically HNC, at best, graduates started applying( programming/ coding wasn’t previously seen as a graduate level job) Nowadays why not hire the guy with 10yrs experience if he is willing to work for that low wage?
To pay them less. I joined a “trainee” role but ended up doing the job which experienced people on double my salary couldn’t hack doing! Fresher people usually have more tenacity to succeed too. I was dumped on a high profile client and expected to swim (which I did) but was on a really bad salary.
Sometimes I see an apprenticeship with experience.
Coz they are cunts
Trainee means you will need training to do that specific job, but it doesn't mean they will teach you everything.
I'd agree if the pay wasn't the minimum legal requirement
- If someone more experience applies, it makes sense to hire them over someone that needs training - Trainees doesn't necessarily mean you're fresh off the boat but can be lacking in a specific task or career change. They could have past skills that could be transferable.
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You know why!
Sorry:-(
Usually because they use the same interview template. There not looking for you to answer every question but to at least give it a go and see what you come up with
The training will consist oddly just showing the employee where things are and any procedures they may do. They don’t actually train in those circumstances.
Many have given the boring "so they can pay you less" answer but as others have said this can equally be seen in a positive light ie they're actually gonna teach you some new skills
I can beat that- I applied to a niche job where experience was mandatory (in capital letters) and I had 5 years (like I say, a niche role). They gave it to some blonde girl fresh out of school. Didn’t even try to hide the corruption in the hiring process. That’s the civil service for you, jobs for the girls.
Since when did trainee equate to having no relevant experience? Trainee means someone they are actively training in a post and contributing to their development and education in the field. That is why the post exists...for to train someone up. That's not the same as completing training in a non trainee post. The issue is you've fundamentally misunderstood what a trainee position is. Unless you can provide me with a definitive definition that states trainee positions mean the person has to have no experience. You can't, but I'd be genuinely interested in what you'd consider evidence.