Bro it looks like there are only like 12 protesters in this video and Jim Ryan responded by calling in the entire fucking police department in riot gear lmao.
The protest was dwindling and probably would have gone away next week when students go home for the summer. Today, every single student and faculty member got a text about the police presence, and over 1000 people at it's peak that wouldn't be there otherwise showed up today. Totally backfired on Jim Ryan.
This is a much stronger response than we saw in 2017 when Nazis with tiki torches marched the lawn shouting “Jews will not replace us” that’s for sure.
2017 was special. The local riot police were inexperienced, and outnumbered. There eis a YouTube video that goes over their technique and how they succeeded in dispersing a much larger crowd
State police were on hand in large numbers the day of the Nazi rally. Their riot police are not inexperienced.
The police didn’t intervene at Unite the Right largely because of the prior July 8th KKK rally, where they tear gassed, pepper sprayed, and arrested a bunch of people protesting the Klan. That rally was much smaller because it was just one Klan chapter from NC (although it did bring out a pretty big crowd to protest it) who wanted and needed to operate under police protection (ensuring their 1A rights were protected). The police use of force was in direct defense of the Klan in that situation.
In the wake of that, police and city admin failed to communicate properly and innovate a new strategy. That meant that supporting agencies also had poor communication and coordination. Basically standing down was the de facto order until unlawful assembly was declared by McAuliffe iirc, about an hour or so into the brawling.
That was when the VSP riot police finally moved in and evicted the rally (with a shield wall, without arrests and a notable lack of chemical agents).
That dynamic was coupled with the fact that the ACLU were backing up the fascists in a civil suit against the city to keep the rally permit in place. It wasn’t an altogether insignificant strategy by the fascists to break the city through liability concerns.
This independent assessment outlines a lot of these things and other failures. I don’t agree with all of the conclusions and interpretations within, but there are some pretty inarguable facts laid out.
https://www.policinginstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Charlottesville-Critical-Incident-Review-2017.pdf
I should add, as many are familiar, UVA/Cville police hesitated to intervene the night before the rally (when torch march happened ) despite being only yards away and having advance intel.
It was only after watching them beat and mace students in front of the rotunda for a significant amount of time that they rolled up and pepper sprayed indiscriminately, made no arrests, and then backed off to let the fascists roam around the Corner.
Crazy how those Nazis and the Palestinians have the same message and the people who were against those Nazis support Palestinians.
The cultural context flips the whole discussion. Life is strange.
Reddit can be pretty toxically Zionist so I'm glad to see the downvotes and upvotes where they're deserved in this thread.
To continue on with this theme of Cops n' Nazis though, many of the college protests have been led by Jewish students.. They were all peaceful until the (some literally) Nazi cops started beating up said Jewish student protest leaders.
So basically, this should still track and make total sense for Charlottesville. Some of you really can't tell the difference between a tiki torch hate march and a peaceful protest to end a genocide though. It shows, and I pity your lack of ability to think critically and/or at all seriously.
Edit: Oh yeah! I'm not sure about Cville, but some of the worst cases of police violence against students were in LA and NY.. Where cops go to Israel for training. Zionism is antisemitic!
Well now, the chants are for the extermination of the Jews in Israel, “from the river, to the sea.” I don’t see any difference, they both seem like Nazis. Good thing the nazis are being removed by police.
Nazis marching through the streets? All good buddy!
Kids camping on a college campus? Holy fucking shit!!! Bring the pepper spray and riot gear!!!!
-Cops apparently
This is a school where running naked in public is known to occur (and in fact encouraged!) only several feet away from where this police brutality occurred, but these tents were ILLEGAL AND HAD TO BE STOPPED
Weird crime but I’m pretty sure if they protest without tents, they’ll still find an excuse to call the cops on them. I think we should start looking at the bigger picture
Agreed. It was never about the tents. When I couldn't drive on campus yesterday because the armed police were shutting down the roads without any explanation, it never crossed my mind, "Oh my God, there must be people with tents somewhere."
So unnecessary and embarrassing. There's way, way more cops than people sitting in the lawn. Could some faculty not have just gone and talked to them about how graduation prep needs to start?
~~I will say the Nation Guard being called in requires the governors approval. Did Youngkin command this, or did the University ask for this to happen? I somehow lean towards the former.~~
I still suspect Youngkin might've had a part in this but that's pure conspiratorial conjecture
It’s not the guard, it’s our state police with a combination of local agencies. There were/are 3 faculty members present last night, they know graduation is around the corner.
It’s not the governor, it’s UVA, they don’t want anymore optics/press/attention on them given the events of last year, and the hate rally.
They literally sent text messages to every single student and faculty member all morning about this. Totally backfired if they tried to reduce the optics.
The protesters were told no tents by UVA, and the demonstrators changed the status quo by putting up tents. They knew (maybe not 100%, but a pretty good idea) what was going to happen when those tents went up.
I mean that's a different reason than "they didn't want anymore optics" and doesn't explain why they created arguably worse optics in trying to avoid optics.
Unfortunately when they were told no tents, which they complied with cuz they slept in the rain as best they could, the UVA regulation and permit did not expressly forbid recreational tinting.
So longo gave the order to disperse and then after that at 9:52 a.m., the regulation was altered. There is some question whether UVA followed its own governance when it comes to updating policy so don't know how that will play out.
One of the tactics of police is to intimidate and overwhelm the crowd with large numbers and tactical gear to scare them into backing down rather than risk violence through fighting back. Also, with the Alt Right rally still in relatively recent memory for these cops, they’re going to err on the side of caution and go in with a larger force than they strictly speaking need.
> Also, with the Alt Right rally still in relatively recent memory for these cops, they’re going to err on the side of caution and go in with a larger force than they strictly speaking need.
Ah yes, we all remember how the police strongly opposed them...
Well, they didn’t, which is your point. They just stood there in the background until things got violent. And it looks like the police/university don’t want to repeat that mistake.
exactly, you just argued against your own point, by default, now you're going to see swarming from multiple agencies, just so they don't have everyone screaming "you weren't there in time" Now a crazy amount of money, and manpower was utilized to control 17 protesters, and 300 observers that wanted to be seen
My opinion is that he did. He recently gave a interview within the last week and a half, where he said he would do this kind of thing, and then if VCU happened and Virginia tech and now UVA.
I think that's why the UVA chief of police Tim longo exited the scene as he had been there for quite a long time yesterday morning.
It's a mixed bag. It's a noble cause to want to draw attention to the genocide in Gaza at the hands of the Israeli government, and demand that US institutions divest from sending money to support such heinous acts. However, it's a little *too* easy for alt-right groups to infiltrate these causes and start to slant the rhetoric off the deep end, and send it straight into chaos by getting aggressive when the police show up. So it's basically a fear of another Unite-The-Right event spawning off of these protests because of the capability of the message getting hijacked and attracting the wrong people.
It's also not helped by Pro-Zionist propaganda basically conflating being Pro-Palastine with being Pro-Hamas and anti-semetic on pretty much all public forums, which causes a lot of people who are completely ignorant to assume that these events are anti-semetic and full of alt-right assholes (which they generally aren't).
"Conflating being pro-palastine with being pro-hamas." It's insane that ostensibly neutral media sources like CNN still largely frame the protests as being antisemitic. Personally, I don't even know that I would characterize myself as "pro palestine" as much as the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent women and children by the Israeli military is plainly abhorrent. Theres no shortage of people who said the US incursion into Iraq and Afghanistan was an unmitigated humanitarian disaster, and this isn't much different. In 2024, we as a society absolutely know better
When protesters (like at Columbia) chant that they “Love Hamas” and hold up signs that random Jews should be their targets, how is it not antisemitic? Get your head out of your ass.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/university-mississippi-monkey-video-palestine-protest-b2539786.html
You were saying something about heads in asses
>However, it's a little *too* easy for alt-right groups to infiltrate these causes and start to slant the rhetoric off the deep end
Or undercover Zionist ones
Wow that’s a pretty nuanced scenario to assume that authorities are fearful of. It’s a logical concern but idk if I would pin it as the motivating factor.
I think it's less nuanced than you think. All it takes is for one random guy who's masquerading as one of the protesters to throw a punch at a cop for the entire situation to dissolve into chaos.
Some of the single biggest factors in politics is anti black and anti Muslim bigotry. The disproportionate police response is reminiscent of the LE response to the racial justice protests. Muslims are probably at the very bottom of American social hierarchy and there are a lot of people who genuinely want to brutalize Muslims
I mean yeah, technically Judaism and Islam aren't racial categories, but on average most Americans perceptions of jews are as largely white Europeans while Americans perceptions of Muslims are Arabs. I'm well aware of countries like Indonesia but in general in America Muslims have darker skin, and jews are much closer to white. Theres for sure still a ton of antisemitism within the white community too, but like, this shit isn't hard, people want to brutalize brown and black people more than anything. We have hundreds of years of evidence of this
One obvious one is divesting from any investments that benefit Israel as a response to the deaths of 30,000 Palestinian people. The less direct cause and effect is showing that American people want a ceasefire and for Biden to put more pressure on bibi to end their military attacks
I feel like that’s a really poor comparison. We don’t support China like we do Israel. We do criticize their human rights abuses, but don’t have a lot of leverage. Israel is only able to do this because the USA supports them. If the USA drew a hard line Israel would respond and this spare 10s of thousands of lives
I thought the issue is university support with money for “bad things.” Now I’m seeing that for some odd reason you only do this with Israel and nothing else. Very interesting
Not at all you can only change what you can control.
What’s interesting is I checked your account and all I see is you criticizing problems and never offering any ideas. I’m not sure what is driving you to fight this fight, but you are have an anger that I hope you are able to fix one day. I’m not a liberal person, but I have compassion for humans. What israel is doing is enabled by the USA.
For what it’s worth, I have an incredible respect for Jewish people and I support Israel as a state. But how does you heart not bleed watching babies and children needlessly die? Food trucks targeted? It’s not okay and these protests are a normal human reaction
My idea is to support Israel in removing Hamas from power because Hamas continues to fight a war and cause this harm. It forced Israel to invade when this is the logical outcome of an invasion. you morons want hamas to stay in power and continue this war
Solid argument, man!
You'll note that these demands mirror demands made about ending South African apartheid. And those worked to isolate the apartheid government and ultimately lead to its end.
Lmao. Okay, man. 99% conviction rate for Palestinians tried in Israel, 3% conviction rate for Israelis charged with a crime against Palestinians. Illegal settlements displacing residents in the West Bank with an entire wall and road system to separate Palestinians, checkpoints for Palestinians moving through the West Bank. Totally just normal stuff for sure.
Hasbara bot.
All causes are worthy of protests. But if you are gonna break a law or policy to protest you have to have a good argument why the law or policy is immoral. For instance trespassing is immoral, but we would all agree that a law that ban a member of a race from an establishment and makes their presence trespassing is an immoral law and can be ignored. In which case trespassing in violation of that law even to protest can be justified.
I haven’t heard a moral argument for any law or policy being immoral or unjust hear tho. So that argument can’t be be evoked
There's a false rumor going around that UVA inly said no tents this morning. Not true. This past Wednesday, a protester was [interviewed](https://www.wvtf.org/news/2024-05-01/students-speak-chant-blow-bubbles-and-eat-pizza-at-gaza-protest) and she acknowledged that the agreement with the university was no tents.
I mean, getting rained on sucks, no doubt. But the seriousness of the protesters purporting to support people getting killed for existing (and getting rained on the least of their worries) is going to be called into question if they're proverbially broken by getting wet when it's 65°.
Yeah. I was staying with family on/around campus Wed-Sat, left that morning. Protests were really chill, just looked like a couple dozen kids having a quiet, sunny picnic.
On Friday, the day before this went down I mentioned how very chill it was to a family member involved with the protests, and she said (paraphrasing) "yeah, although one guy already got arrested for putting up a tent. The university said we can protest, but not put up tents."
Seemed like the no-tents thing was pretty well understood literally the day before they decided to put up tents.
Am I happy that my family member and the rest of the kids got shoved around and pepper-sprayed by cops in riot gear? No, absolutely not. Seems like a crazy over-reaction to some college kids trying to feel important at the end of semester.
But, yeah, it was made clear well prior to Saturday that tents would not be permitted.
Insane, especially considering the whole tiki torch event looked nothing like this. These cops are hired thugs, fuck them. Pepper spray is fucking inhumane and unnecessary
I truly don’t understand why people need tents to protest. Having tent encampments is the only reason these colleges are tripping out. It seems like a dumb line to die on. Protest all you want but let the tents go.. seems reasonable to me. 🤷🏽♀️
Touché.
However, there's a lot of room to disagree with the premise of the arrests.
There's also a lot of space between "arresting peaceful protestors" and "using riot cops with chemical irritants on college kids, professors, and members of the university and broader community."
The way I see, the only room for disagreement when it comes to the premises of the arrest are if you think the specific law being applied is an unjust one. Which while I am open to hearing a good, rational argument for why the trespassing law in this case or whichever law being applied is unjust, I’ve yet to hear one. Otherwise it’s very difficult for you to make the argument that you or your group can break the just laws.
And I agree there can be a difference in means and methods for how the police arrested people, And how moral those methods would be in different situations. But they are largely decided based on your actions, tho admittedly not always. Being peaceful is largely irrelevant, Arrests necessitates force, the minimal amount being just putting the cuffs on you when you give your self up. resisting or disobeying lawful orders would require the next step up which would usually be some form of pain complacence if asking multiple times doesn’t work, And further escalation from there. If an officer just sucker punches someone or maces someone who is complying with lawful orders I would say that is a complete overuse of force. But if you’re ordered to disperse and you are not listening the natural next step is pepper spray to the face. from the videos I saw much more of(if not exclusively) the latter of the two personally.
It baffles me the number of people who genuinely believe that protests should only exist in a completely ignorable capacity. Like, “You can protest so long as I don’t have to see it and it interrupts nothing” is antithetical to the purpose of protesting.
Protests are inherently disruptive, whether that’s socially, financially, visibly, etc.
What's weird to me is that Wednesday, NPR interviewed one of the protesters who said they knew tents were prohibited and that they were okay with that. And then tents were brought in at some point violating the agreement that the protesters had set up with the university.
How would you prefer they handle it? Just let the protesters continue to break rules and not listen? Law and Order needs to exist. In my opinion they should have arrested them on day 1.
The simple answer is it started raining. The goal of the protest is a continuous presence putting pressure on the university. Gov Younkin looking at other protests said Virginia wouldn’t tolerate tents. Students rightly aren’t listening to the people who aren’t listening to them. Look at the power imbalance.
This was never about tents for the pro-terrorist demonstrators. Their crowd was thinning when they complied with the rules and everyone ignored them. So they needed a new way to artificially try to transform themselves into victims. So they started deliberately breaking rules to provoke this response. How is that not completely obvious to observers of this?
This is a stupid point because if not tents colleges would find another reason to criminalise these protests. UVA changed their policies on tents just this morning hours before they set the police on students.
No, they didn't. There was an [interview](https://www.wvtf.org/news/2024-05-01/students-speak-chant-blow-bubbles-and-eat-pizza-at-gaza-protest) on Wednesday with one of the protesters who said the university had told them from the start no tents.
The university had said no tents and claimed it was against the rules but it wasn't in the rule book which is why the protestors finally decided to put up the tents yesterday. Then the university modified the rules this morning. Moreover, there were other folks over the past few days who had tents up near the volleyball courts for instance.
Point is this is the administration just making up rules as and when convenient. And if you want to lick boots please make your way to Jim Ryan's house bozo.
I've read in the meantime about thenPDF change, so in that regard, I stand corrected. I appreciate that you acknowledge that the protesters did know the university said no tents when they began. Were the protesters given the chance to leave the grounds befor the police were involved once the policy was changed?
I attended many anti-war demonstrations in Washington DC during the Vietnam era. It seems like this police action was much like the way the Metropolitan Police special operations division would handle these kinds of things then. They would put the crowd on notice that they had to leave or else. Then they would come in with gas and riot batons and there would be a big melee and bus loads arrested. I think this current generation of demonstrators have to realize that when you fuck with the bull, you get the horn.
Y’all… when are we gonna the police are doing to much. Consistency!!! These are young adults camping out on their campuses laws and this is the response they get?!?!? Yes IT’s break the rules, but at what point does the rule not matter when this is the end all response. This is to much.
They're doing this shit everywhere. It should be fucking horrifying to any reasonable person, no matter how they may feel about the views of the protest.
Stay tough, take care of eachother, and know that other students, grads, and faculty across the country are rooting for you, sending love, strength, and solidarity from their own campuses and encampments.
"No matter how they feel about the views of the protest." I mean, the content of the protest does matter. College protesters have a specific ask, for their universities to divest investments away from selling arms to Israel that are used to slaughter innocent people by the tens of thousands. In 2024, no one should have a problem with that viewpoint beyond bloodthirsty lunatics
Personally, I agree. I've been where I should be when I've been able to; you don't need to get me on your side.
I only mean to say that you need not have developed views on the conflict, and could even have what you or I might consider (quite charitably) "poorly-informed takes" on it, and you should still see that calling in riot cops on a couple dozen students camping, singing, and chanting is fucking unacceptable.
My god, the amount of satisfaction some of you people get from watching police brutalize defenseless/peaceful protesters is sickening.
Free speech is dead, and you police-state loving boot lickers are the ones who killed it.
there’s so many comments that mimic national journalism trying to blame the protestors, and it’s disheartening that students are getting attacked by these fascist fucks who’s only goal is hurt innocent people for their own twisted goals. People are complaining about the tents too and seriously so fucking what! there shouldn’t be violence and police raiding when these students are not harming anyone, and on a deeper note, they are only encouraging a humanitarian, non-genocidal perspective. Free speech is dead.
Why do Nazis get more protection than students?.... It's a really weird world we are in when the government cracks down harder on pro Palestinians than Nazis.
We will have trump next year because of these idiots who don't even know what they chant for. Privileged idiots I wish they can send them all to gaza to support Hamas there.
If you buy a hammer everything looks like a nail.
Cops have military grade weapons. So happy to have a chance to finally use them against people insisting the world stop committing genocide.
Get used to this. More are coming.
sarcasm directed at earnest pleas for justice on a post about state violence against presumably protected speech in the USA. Non-violent until the police got involved. 👌🏻🇺🇸
Part of the reason for the response was the protesters inviting in outside people. The university said that created a safety issue and you really can’t blame them. FBI, VSP and others monitor discord and other sites protesters around the country use to organize. As soon as one gets shut down these outside groups plan the next school to go to. If it was only students and faculty they probably would have had more patience.
I never understand why this never happens to the militarized citizens who broke into government building years ago or when school shooters are rampant. Get some people together to talk about genocide and equality and American government sends in the dogs and water and pepper spray. Like didn't we do this to the Chinese Irish blacks in America already? We don't want to learn our lesson it seems.
Conflating Gaza civilians with terrorists, then in the same sentence conflating seemingly all Muslims with illiberal ideology.
I'm going to propose that you may be a bigot.
If you support Gaza civilians, what are your thoughts on their govt, Hamas, that started all this, continues to shell Israel, holds hostages, uses civilians as human shields and calls for the destruction of the state of Israel?
Are you too fucking racist to understand that some Palestinians being terrorists doesn't make all Palestinians inherently deserve death? Over 10000 children have been murdered wand these people just want us to stop giving Israel more money to keep killing more. Did you know not all brown people are a fucking hive mind read?
That’s just too much force from outside police for the students who actually pay for the UVA bills.
Students have every right to protest peacefully.
Police using force like that they are trying to remove mob from downtown .
Yes, I mean honestly I don’t know why they care. The police never come out when there is a proud boy march or riot and stop them. They just hate peace and they can only respond with violence because that is what they know
I’m glad the police learned their lesson that racists have to be dealt with quickly. Good to see that they aren’t just letting them run wild until someone dies like last time.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ole-miss-students-appear-to-mock-black-protester-with-monkey-noises
Race is certainly a factor in the disproportionate police response to protesters, as it was during the harsh crackdown on racial justice protesters in the aftermath of George Floyd.
These students have been trespassing, and they've been repeatedly told to leave. Having police break up the illegal occupation seems like the next logical course of action.
Actions have consequences. Suspensions and/or expulsions should follow.
they tore off students' goggles and pepper sprayed them in their eyes as they beat them into the ground. if that's your idea of "regaining control" there's something seriously wrong with you
I am a long time uva staff member about to retire.
Ryan and the UVA administration 100% supported this. The blame for the over the top police response rest squarely on their shoulders. Not Youngkin or the GOP.
Ryan used classic Trumpian language with vague, unsubstantiated “dangerous outsiders” references. Pure dog whistling. President Ryan values his position and salary over the well being of his students, faculty and staff.
And let’s be real, Coach Bennett & Elliot also are no different than President Ryan. They have influence and leverage and yet remain quiet.
The actions on May 4 show that UVA is absolutely no different than Ole Miss. No different than the rest of the red neck, low key racist southern universities.
You all are deluding yourselves if you think the administration will stop with the protests.
Someone said it best, these “protesters” most of whom have some guilt that leads to a need to feel they themselves are oppressed and are suffering as much as innocent Palestine civilians. Like the one girl that demanded food and water be provided to protestors as basic humanitarian aid😂 Next, advocating for and supporting Hummus, I mean Hamas! doesn’t help win anyone to your cause.
The most ironic part of all this is the alternative lifestyle folks support for Hamas. I’d apply a simple test, maybe think about how you and your alternative lifestyle would be welcomed in Israel or Palestine. I mean, maybe Palestine has a thriving LGBT scene🤷♂️
War sucks, if Hummus struck military targets, and did not commit irredeemable atrocities I might be inclined to be more supportive of some sort of cease fire. But their actions on Oct 7th clearly demonstrated Hamas must cease to exist, and we can only hope the brainwashing stops and people can coexist, be happy and productive. This conflict doesn’t benefit anyone but if nothing was done it’d just keep repeating itself.
Yes and it's making a statement. That they're going to keep escalating as far as non-lethals will go until the message is heard and recognized. We will not tolerate promoting terrorism anywhere any longer. Virginia tech found out UVA found out Columbia found out all these other universities are finding out that they're no longer going to be institutions of indoctrination for every Fringe element on the planet. It is over simple as that. I'm going to give you two words to look up. Kent State. I don't ever want to see it escalate to that but it could
Bro it looks like there are only like 12 protesters in this video and Jim Ryan responded by calling in the entire fucking police department in riot gear lmao.
The protest was dwindling and probably would have gone away next week when students go home for the summer. Today, every single student and faculty member got a text about the police presence, and over 1000 people at it's peak that wouldn't be there otherwise showed up today. Totally backfired on Jim Ryan.
The pro terrorist larpers FAFO
This is a much stronger response than we saw in 2017 when Nazis with tiki torches marched the lawn shouting “Jews will not replace us” that’s for sure.
The cops had a large presence in 2017, they just weren't in uniform.
*"some of those that work forces..."*
Was blaring that in my car just yesterday.
Can confirm. Same with the following day at the rally.
1000% ah and people claim there’s no double standards.
How long have these protesters been occupying this spot after being ordered to vacate?
The also didn’t set up tents and live there. False comparison. I wish they did though, and then got tasered and pepper sprayed for their efforts!
2017 was special. The local riot police were inexperienced, and outnumbered. There eis a YouTube video that goes over their technique and how they succeeded in dispersing a much larger crowd
State police were on hand in large numbers the day of the Nazi rally. Their riot police are not inexperienced. The police didn’t intervene at Unite the Right largely because of the prior July 8th KKK rally, where they tear gassed, pepper sprayed, and arrested a bunch of people protesting the Klan. That rally was much smaller because it was just one Klan chapter from NC (although it did bring out a pretty big crowd to protest it) who wanted and needed to operate under police protection (ensuring their 1A rights were protected). The police use of force was in direct defense of the Klan in that situation. In the wake of that, police and city admin failed to communicate properly and innovate a new strategy. That meant that supporting agencies also had poor communication and coordination. Basically standing down was the de facto order until unlawful assembly was declared by McAuliffe iirc, about an hour or so into the brawling. That was when the VSP riot police finally moved in and evicted the rally (with a shield wall, without arrests and a notable lack of chemical agents). That dynamic was coupled with the fact that the ACLU were backing up the fascists in a civil suit against the city to keep the rally permit in place. It wasn’t an altogether insignificant strategy by the fascists to break the city through liability concerns. This independent assessment outlines a lot of these things and other failures. I don’t agree with all of the conclusions and interpretations within, but there are some pretty inarguable facts laid out. https://www.policinginstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Charlottesville-Critical-Incident-Review-2017.pdf
I should add, as many are familiar, UVA/Cville police hesitated to intervene the night before the rally (when torch march happened ) despite being only yards away and having advance intel. It was only after watching them beat and mace students in front of the rotunda for a significant amount of time that they rolled up and pepper sprayed indiscriminately, made no arrests, and then backed off to let the fascists roam around the Corner.
Crazy how those Nazis and the Palestinians have the same message and the people who were against those Nazis support Palestinians. The cultural context flips the whole discussion. Life is strange.
Reddit can be pretty toxically Zionist so I'm glad to see the downvotes and upvotes where they're deserved in this thread. To continue on with this theme of Cops n' Nazis though, many of the college protests have been led by Jewish students.. They were all peaceful until the (some literally) Nazi cops started beating up said Jewish student protest leaders. So basically, this should still track and make total sense for Charlottesville. Some of you really can't tell the difference between a tiki torch hate march and a peaceful protest to end a genocide though. It shows, and I pity your lack of ability to think critically and/or at all seriously. Edit: Oh yeah! I'm not sure about Cville, but some of the worst cases of police violence against students were in LA and NY.. Where cops go to Israel for training. Zionism is antisemitic!
Well now, the chants are for the extermination of the Jews in Israel, “from the river, to the sea.” I don’t see any difference, they both seem like Nazis. Good thing the nazis are being removed by police.
Good to see the police learned from their mistake and are taking potential antisemitism seriously 👍
Nazis marching through the streets? All good buddy! Kids camping on a college campus? Holy fucking shit!!! Bring the pepper spray and riot gear!!!! -Cops apparently
This is a school where running naked in public is known to occur (and in fact encouraged!) only several feet away from where this police brutality occurred, but these tents were ILLEGAL AND HAD TO BE STOPPED
Weird crime but I’m pretty sure if they protest without tents, they’ll still find an excuse to call the cops on them. I think we should start looking at the bigger picture
Agreed. It was never about the tents. When I couldn't drive on campus yesterday because the armed police were shutting down the roads without any explanation, it never crossed my mind, "Oh my God, there must be people with tents somewhere."
Exactly lol
So unnecessary and embarrassing. There's way, way more cops than people sitting in the lawn. Could some faculty not have just gone and talked to them about how graduation prep needs to start? ~~I will say the Nation Guard being called in requires the governors approval. Did Youngkin command this, or did the University ask for this to happen? I somehow lean towards the former.~~ I still suspect Youngkin might've had a part in this but that's pure conspiratorial conjecture
It’s not the guard, it’s our state police with a combination of local agencies. There were/are 3 faculty members present last night, they know graduation is around the corner. It’s not the governor, it’s UVA, they don’t want anymore optics/press/attention on them given the events of last year, and the hate rally.
If they don't want any more optics, why are they creating these optics?
They literally sent text messages to every single student and faculty member all morning about this. Totally backfired if they tried to reduce the optics.
The protesters were told no tents by UVA, and the demonstrators changed the status quo by putting up tents. They knew (maybe not 100%, but a pretty good idea) what was going to happen when those tents went up.
I mean that's a different reason than "they didn't want anymore optics" and doesn't explain why they created arguably worse optics in trying to avoid optics.
Unfortunately when they were told no tents, which they complied with cuz they slept in the rain as best they could, the UVA regulation and permit did not expressly forbid recreational tinting. So longo gave the order to disperse and then after that at 9:52 a.m., the regulation was altered. There is some question whether UVA followed its own governance when it comes to updating policy so don't know how that will play out.
One of the tactics of police is to intimidate and overwhelm the crowd with large numbers and tactical gear to scare them into backing down rather than risk violence through fighting back. Also, with the Alt Right rally still in relatively recent memory for these cops, they’re going to err on the side of caution and go in with a larger force than they strictly speaking need.
> Also, with the Alt Right rally still in relatively recent memory for these cops, they’re going to err on the side of caution and go in with a larger force than they strictly speaking need. Ah yes, we all remember how the police strongly opposed them...
Well, they didn’t, which is your point. They just stood there in the background until things got violent. And it looks like the police/university don’t want to repeat that mistake.
The police are on the same today as they were in 2017.
exactly, you just argued against your own point, by default, now you're going to see swarming from multiple agencies, just so they don't have everyone screaming "you weren't there in time" Now a crazy amount of money, and manpower was utilized to control 17 protesters, and 300 observers that wanted to be seen
My opinion is that he did. He recently gave a interview within the last week and a half, where he said he would do this kind of thing, and then if VCU happened and Virginia tech and now UVA. I think that's why the UVA chief of police Tim longo exited the scene as he had been there for quite a long time yesterday morning.
You think talking with them would get them to move? 😂
The demonstrators had been speaking with and cooperating with the school up until yesterday. Not sure why the decided to change that.
Had they been informed that they were violating school policies? Had they been asked to leave? Did they refuse to leave?
Haha you think protestors are reasonable people?! Call in the heavies You're just a bootlicker
do yk what university?
It's fine... he won't be government for long. I say keep it up younkin, you'll go the way of the rest of your party.
oh 100 fucking percent. it's a state school after all...
This isn't a Camp-us, these are the GROUNDS! *fires pepper spray*
lol
Shame on UVA. The only violence I'm seeing at this protest is police against students.
The secret is: cops always start the violence at protests.
Jesus fucking Christ why do universities hate this cause so much
It's a mixed bag. It's a noble cause to want to draw attention to the genocide in Gaza at the hands of the Israeli government, and demand that US institutions divest from sending money to support such heinous acts. However, it's a little *too* easy for alt-right groups to infiltrate these causes and start to slant the rhetoric off the deep end, and send it straight into chaos by getting aggressive when the police show up. So it's basically a fear of another Unite-The-Right event spawning off of these protests because of the capability of the message getting hijacked and attracting the wrong people. It's also not helped by Pro-Zionist propaganda basically conflating being Pro-Palastine with being Pro-Hamas and anti-semetic on pretty much all public forums, which causes a lot of people who are completely ignorant to assume that these events are anti-semetic and full of alt-right assholes (which they generally aren't).
"Conflating being pro-palastine with being pro-hamas." It's insane that ostensibly neutral media sources like CNN still largely frame the protests as being antisemitic. Personally, I don't even know that I would characterize myself as "pro palestine" as much as the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent women and children by the Israeli military is plainly abhorrent. Theres no shortage of people who said the US incursion into Iraq and Afghanistan was an unmitigated humanitarian disaster, and this isn't much different. In 2024, we as a society absolutely know better
When protesters (like at Columbia) chant that they “Love Hamas” and hold up signs that random Jews should be their targets, how is it not antisemitic? Get your head out of your ass.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/university-mississippi-monkey-video-palestine-protest-b2539786.html You were saying something about heads in asses
Those are Zionist plants trying to undermine the protests.
>However, it's a little *too* easy for alt-right groups to infiltrate these causes and start to slant the rhetoric off the deep end Or undercover Zionist ones
Wow that’s a pretty nuanced scenario to assume that authorities are fearful of. It’s a logical concern but idk if I would pin it as the motivating factor.
I think it's less nuanced than you think. All it takes is for one random guy who's masquerading as one of the protesters to throw a punch at a cop for the entire situation to dissolve into chaos.
Hamas apologia has been central to these protests all along. The core is rotten.
Some of the single biggest factors in politics is anti black and anti Muslim bigotry. The disproportionate police response is reminiscent of the LE response to the racial justice protests. Muslims are probably at the very bottom of American social hierarchy and there are a lot of people who genuinely want to brutalize Muslims
I think AA has that lower ranked locked. You can convert out of a religion you can't change your skin color even with bleaching.
I mean yeah, technically Judaism and Islam aren't racial categories, but on average most Americans perceptions of jews are as largely white Europeans while Americans perceptions of Muslims are Arabs. I'm well aware of countries like Indonesia but in general in America Muslims have darker skin, and jews are much closer to white. Theres for sure still a ton of antisemitism within the white community too, but like, this shit isn't hard, people want to brutalize brown and black people more than anything. We have hundreds of years of evidence of this
You know I never thought about it but I've never met a Caucasian muslim.
They do exist! Be a friend if you find one...
Because it’s a bad cause with bad people doing disruptive things
Could you give an example of what causes are worthy of protesting? Sincerely curious since I’ve heard this argument come up
What is being protested here again?
One obvious one is divesting from any investments that benefit Israel as a response to the deaths of 30,000 Palestinian people. The less direct cause and effect is showing that American people want a ceasefire and for Biden to put more pressure on bibi to end their military attacks
Do you want to divest from other countries like China?
I feel like that’s a really poor comparison. We don’t support China like we do Israel. We do criticize their human rights abuses, but don’t have a lot of leverage. Israel is only able to do this because the USA supports them. If the USA drew a hard line Israel would respond and this spare 10s of thousands of lives
I thought the issue is university support with money for “bad things.” Now I’m seeing that for some odd reason you only do this with Israel and nothing else. Very interesting
Not at all you can only change what you can control. What’s interesting is I checked your account and all I see is you criticizing problems and never offering any ideas. I’m not sure what is driving you to fight this fight, but you are have an anger that I hope you are able to fix one day. I’m not a liberal person, but I have compassion for humans. What israel is doing is enabled by the USA. For what it’s worth, I have an incredible respect for Jewish people and I support Israel as a state. But how does you heart not bleed watching babies and children needlessly die? Food trucks targeted? It’s not okay and these protests are a normal human reaction
My idea is to support Israel in removing Hamas from power because Hamas continues to fight a war and cause this harm. It forced Israel to invade when this is the logical outcome of an invasion. you morons want hamas to stay in power and continue this war
That’s a bad, dumb cause rooted in ignorance
Solid argument, man! You'll note that these demands mirror demands made about ending South African apartheid. And those worked to isolate the apartheid government and ultimately lead to its end.
The difference is South Africa actually was apartheid
Lmao. Okay, man. 99% conviction rate for Palestinians tried in Israel, 3% conviction rate for Israelis charged with a crime against Palestinians. Illegal settlements displacing residents in the West Bank with an entire wall and road system to separate Palestinians, checkpoints for Palestinians moving through the West Bank. Totally just normal stuff for sure. Hasbara bot.
All causes are worthy of protests. But if you are gonna break a law or policy to protest you have to have a good argument why the law or policy is immoral. For instance trespassing is immoral, but we would all agree that a law that ban a member of a race from an establishment and makes their presence trespassing is an immoral law and can be ignored. In which case trespassing in violation of that law even to protest can be justified. I haven’t heard a moral argument for any law or policy being immoral or unjust hear tho. So that argument can’t be be evoked
Camping on a lawn is sooo disruptive
It can be.
Many of their biggest donors are rich Jews or buddies with rich Jews.
Because it always turns violent
Police starting violence? A tale as old as time
Free speech is dead
This is an absurd take. There is no universe where putting up tents in violation of a content neutral rule can be categorized as “speech.”
There's a false rumor going around that UVA inly said no tents this morning. Not true. This past Wednesday, a protester was [interviewed](https://www.wvtf.org/news/2024-05-01/students-speak-chant-blow-bubbles-and-eat-pizza-at-gaza-protest) and she acknowledged that the agreement with the university was no tents.
yeah and then the torrential downpour started
I mean, getting rained on sucks, no doubt. But the seriousness of the protesters purporting to support people getting killed for existing (and getting rained on the least of their worries) is going to be called into question if they're proverbially broken by getting wet when it's 65°.
Yeah. I was staying with family on/around campus Wed-Sat, left that morning. Protests were really chill, just looked like a couple dozen kids having a quiet, sunny picnic. On Friday, the day before this went down I mentioned how very chill it was to a family member involved with the protests, and she said (paraphrasing) "yeah, although one guy already got arrested for putting up a tent. The university said we can protest, but not put up tents." Seemed like the no-tents thing was pretty well understood literally the day before they decided to put up tents. Am I happy that my family member and the rest of the kids got shoved around and pepper-sprayed by cops in riot gear? No, absolutely not. Seems like a crazy over-reaction to some college kids trying to feel important at the end of semester. But, yeah, it was made clear well prior to Saturday that tents would not be permitted.
Fck young kin and all AIPAC bought politicians!
Insane, especially considering the whole tiki torch event looked nothing like this. These cops are hired thugs, fuck them. Pepper spray is fucking inhumane and unnecessary
>whole tiki torch event Well they weren't going to arrest themselves
So they weren’t asked to disperse? I doubt the cops did a surprise pepper spray assault.
I truly don’t understand why people need tents to protest. Having tent encampments is the only reason these colleges are tripping out. It seems like a dumb line to die on. Protest all you want but let the tents go.. seems reasonable to me. 🤷🏽♀️
I mean, to be fair, disobedience is kind of a critical part of "civil disobedience."
And the goal of civil disobedience was to be arrested I thought?
Touché. However, there's a lot of room to disagree with the premise of the arrests. There's also a lot of space between "arresting peaceful protestors" and "using riot cops with chemical irritants on college kids, professors, and members of the university and broader community."
The way I see, the only room for disagreement when it comes to the premises of the arrest are if you think the specific law being applied is an unjust one. Which while I am open to hearing a good, rational argument for why the trespassing law in this case or whichever law being applied is unjust, I’ve yet to hear one. Otherwise it’s very difficult for you to make the argument that you or your group can break the just laws. And I agree there can be a difference in means and methods for how the police arrested people, And how moral those methods would be in different situations. But they are largely decided based on your actions, tho admittedly not always. Being peaceful is largely irrelevant, Arrests necessitates force, the minimal amount being just putting the cuffs on you when you give your self up. resisting or disobeying lawful orders would require the next step up which would usually be some form of pain complacence if asking multiple times doesn’t work, And further escalation from there. If an officer just sucker punches someone or maces someone who is complying with lawful orders I would say that is a complete overuse of force. But if you’re ordered to disperse and you are not listening the natural next step is pepper spray to the face. from the videos I saw much more of(if not exclusively) the latter of the two personally.
there will never be a correct way to protest. people will ALWAYS find something to be upset about. they want people silenced.
It baffles me the number of people who genuinely believe that protests should only exist in a completely ignorable capacity. Like, “You can protest so long as I don’t have to see it and it interrupts nothing” is antithetical to the purpose of protesting. Protests are inherently disruptive, whether that’s socially, financially, visibly, etc.
Hands and arms completely inside the free speech zone, please.
Ok but in what world is this a justified response to a small group of students setting up tents on grounds
What's weird to me is that Wednesday, NPR interviewed one of the protesters who said they knew tents were prohibited and that they were okay with that. And then tents were brought in at some point violating the agreement that the protesters had set up with the university.
How would you prefer they handle it? Just let the protesters continue to break rules and not listen? Law and Order needs to exist. In my opinion they should have arrested them on day 1.
"Law and Order needs to exist." There's nothing that gets police bootlickers going more than bashing the heads in of some minorities
Moving straight to insult. Classic.
The simple answer is it started raining. The goal of the protest is a continuous presence putting pressure on the university. Gov Younkin looking at other protests said Virginia wouldn’t tolerate tents. Students rightly aren’t listening to the people who aren’t listening to them. Look at the power imbalance.
This was never about tents for the pro-terrorist demonstrators. Their crowd was thinning when they complied with the rules and everyone ignored them. So they needed a new way to artificially try to transform themselves into victims. So they started deliberately breaking rules to provoke this response. How is that not completely obvious to observers of this?
This is a stupid point because if not tents colleges would find another reason to criminalise these protests. UVA changed their policies on tents just this morning hours before they set the police on students.
No, they didn't. There was an [interview](https://www.wvtf.org/news/2024-05-01/students-speak-chant-blow-bubbles-and-eat-pizza-at-gaza-protest) on Wednesday with one of the protesters who said the university had told them from the start no tents.
The university had said no tents and claimed it was against the rules but it wasn't in the rule book which is why the protestors finally decided to put up the tents yesterday. Then the university modified the rules this morning. Moreover, there were other folks over the past few days who had tents up near the volleyball courts for instance. Point is this is the administration just making up rules as and when convenient. And if you want to lick boots please make your way to Jim Ryan's house bozo.
I've read in the meantime about thenPDF change, so in that regard, I stand corrected. I appreciate that you acknowledge that the protesters did know the university said no tents when they began. Were the protesters given the chance to leave the grounds befor the police were involved once the policy was changed?
Police protecc corporate property.
Was that Go Knicks or Bo Nix?
It was “Fuck Tech”
That we can all agree on
At least Tech broke their encampment up with regular uniformed officers and no pepper spray, gas, or beatings.
PSA: [This](https://foreverpolice.com/how-to-get-pepper-spray-out-of-eyes/) is how you get pepper spray out of your eyes.
I attended many anti-war demonstrations in Washington DC during the Vietnam era. It seems like this police action was much like the way the Metropolitan Police special operations division would handle these kinds of things then. They would put the crowd on notice that they had to leave or else. Then they would come in with gas and riot batons and there would be a big melee and bus loads arrested. I think this current generation of demonstrators have to realize that when you fuck with the bull, you get the horn.
Y’all… when are we gonna the police are doing to much. Consistency!!! These are young adults camping out on their campuses laws and this is the response they get?!?!? Yes IT’s break the rules, but at what point does the rule not matter when this is the end all response. This is to much.
If rules aren’t enforced they’re not rules.
They're doing this shit everywhere. It should be fucking horrifying to any reasonable person, no matter how they may feel about the views of the protest. Stay tough, take care of eachother, and know that other students, grads, and faculty across the country are rooting for you, sending love, strength, and solidarity from their own campuses and encampments.
"No matter how they feel about the views of the protest." I mean, the content of the protest does matter. College protesters have a specific ask, for their universities to divest investments away from selling arms to Israel that are used to slaughter innocent people by the tens of thousands. In 2024, no one should have a problem with that viewpoint beyond bloodthirsty lunatics
Personally, I agree. I've been where I should be when I've been able to; you don't need to get me on your side. I only mean to say that you need not have developed views on the conflict, and could even have what you or I might consider (quite charitably) "poorly-informed takes" on it, and you should still see that calling in riot cops on a couple dozen students camping, singing, and chanting is fucking unacceptable.
My god, the amount of satisfaction some of you people get from watching police brutalize defenseless/peaceful protesters is sickening. Free speech is dead, and you police-state loving boot lickers are the ones who killed it.
there’s so many comments that mimic national journalism trying to blame the protestors, and it’s disheartening that students are getting attacked by these fascist fucks who’s only goal is hurt innocent people for their own twisted goals. People are complaining about the tents too and seriously so fucking what! there shouldn’t be violence and police raiding when these students are not harming anyone, and on a deeper note, they are only encouraging a humanitarian, non-genocidal perspective. Free speech is dead.
Why do Nazis get more protection than students?.... It's a really weird world we are in when the government cracks down harder on pro Palestinians than Nazis.
They are basically the same thing. They want the same thing
We will have trump next year because of these idiots who don't even know what they chant for. Privileged idiots I wish they can send them all to gaza to support Hamas there.
We really need to examine the level of fascist asshole we employed in a lot if LE agencies - stupid, power drunk and armed is a bad combo
If you buy a hammer everything looks like a nail. Cops have military grade weapons. So happy to have a chance to finally use them against people insisting the world stop committing genocide. Get used to this. More are coming.
If only there was a school shooter on site. The cops would never dare step 100 meters into the school.
❤️ 🇮🇱
🖕
🍆 sucker
There’s that good ‘ol ‘Murican fascism. /s
Peace in the Middle East secured 👍
sarcasm directed at earnest pleas for justice on a post about state violence against presumably protected speech in the USA. Non-violent until the police got involved. 👌🏻🇺🇸
Part of the reason for the response was the protesters inviting in outside people. The university said that created a safety issue and you really can’t blame them. FBI, VSP and others monitor discord and other sites protesters around the country use to organize. As soon as one gets shut down these outside groups plan the next school to go to. If it was only students and faculty they probably would have had more patience.
Grain of salt on that claim by admin?
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Interesting how all the universities cracked down at the same time.
Why lol
Good, lol. Stupid asses
Who cares. Spray them, beat them.
take that you Goddamn nerds and your fancy smancy book learnin'! -the cops, probably
About damn time
I wanna say something but idk if I should
Instead of protesting for Palestine protest for a win against Virginia tech in football💀
When y’all gonna protest for lower college costs ?
Nothing makes you look more like a bad guy than breaking up a peaceful protest with violence.
No more safe spaces for them..
I never understand why this never happens to the militarized citizens who broke into government building years ago or when school shooters are rampant. Get some people together to talk about genocide and equality and American government sends in the dogs and water and pepper spray. Like didn't we do this to the Chinese Irish blacks in America already? We don't want to learn our lesson it seems.
Great, send them to Gaza!
Wonderful!:)
Shame on them
Saw protesters calling Jewish people Nazis....a bit ridiculous especially this close to the day of remembrance of the Holocaust.
We need Biden to answer for this hatred
Pigs doing a great job of ingratiating themselves with the community, as always. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
GOOD!
So ironic that leftists support Islamic terrorists yet Muslims despise virtually every leftist ideology
Conflating Gaza civilians with terrorists, then in the same sentence conflating seemingly all Muslims with illiberal ideology. I'm going to propose that you may be a bigot.
If you support Gaza civilians, what are your thoughts on their govt, Hamas, that started all this, continues to shell Israel, holds hostages, uses civilians as human shields and calls for the destruction of the state of Israel?
Are you too fucking racist to understand that some Palestinians being terrorists doesn't make all Palestinians inherently deserve death? Over 10000 children have been murdered wand these people just want us to stop giving Israel more money to keep killing more. Did you know not all brown people are a fucking hive mind read?
Classic. Nothing intelligent to say about the actual events in the video so you just try to distract from the issue with a pithy line
what an absurd response by the university and the police.
Expel the law-breakers. Especially the Marxist and Fascist law-breakers…
Everyone will be appalled, just appalled I tell you, and then move on.
Free Hat
Hat was attacked maliciously and unprovoked by a gang of babies in West Town Park. When that many babies get together, they can be like piranha.
That’s just too much force from outside police for the students who actually pay for the UVA bills. Students have every right to protest peacefully. Police using force like that they are trying to remove mob from downtown .
Students have every right to protest lawfully. Being peaceful has exactly nothing to do with whether you get arrested.
Yes, I mean honestly I don’t know why they care. The police never come out when there is a proud boy march or riot and stop them. They just hate peace and they can only respond with violence because that is what they know
Where was this energy for charlottesville 2017 🫥
I’m glad the police learned their lesson that racists have to be dealt with quickly. Good to see that they aren’t just letting them run wild until someone dies like last time.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ole-miss-students-appear-to-mock-black-protester-with-monkey-noises Race is certainly a factor in the disproportionate police response to protesters, as it was during the harsh crackdown on racial justice protesters in the aftermath of George Floyd.
Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes. Be an idiot. Get treated like idiots.
Good. Arrest, expel and deport.
These students have been trespassing, and they've been repeatedly told to leave. Having police break up the illegal occupation seems like the next logical course of action. Actions have consequences. Suspensions and/or expulsions should follow.
Kudos to the administration for regaining control!
they tore off students' goggles and pepper sprayed them in their eyes as they beat them into the ground. if that's your idea of "regaining control" there's something seriously wrong with you
Arrest and deport all these scums, one way ticket to Gaza Strip.
Fuck zionism and fuck Israel's genocide against the Palestinians.
I am a long time uva staff member about to retire. Ryan and the UVA administration 100% supported this. The blame for the over the top police response rest squarely on their shoulders. Not Youngkin or the GOP. Ryan used classic Trumpian language with vague, unsubstantiated “dangerous outsiders” references. Pure dog whistling. President Ryan values his position and salary over the well being of his students, faculty and staff. And let’s be real, Coach Bennett & Elliot also are no different than President Ryan. They have influence and leverage and yet remain quiet. The actions on May 4 show that UVA is absolutely no different than Ole Miss. No different than the rest of the red neck, low key racist southern universities. You all are deluding yourselves if you think the administration will stop with the protests.
Someone said it best, these “protesters” most of whom have some guilt that leads to a need to feel they themselves are oppressed and are suffering as much as innocent Palestine civilians. Like the one girl that demanded food and water be provided to protestors as basic humanitarian aid😂 Next, advocating for and supporting Hummus, I mean Hamas! doesn’t help win anyone to your cause. The most ironic part of all this is the alternative lifestyle folks support for Hamas. I’d apply a simple test, maybe think about how you and your alternative lifestyle would be welcomed in Israel or Palestine. I mean, maybe Palestine has a thriving LGBT scene🤷♂️ War sucks, if Hummus struck military targets, and did not commit irredeemable atrocities I might be inclined to be more supportive of some sort of cease fire. But their actions on Oct 7th clearly demonstrated Hamas must cease to exist, and we can only hope the brainwashing stops and people can coexist, be happy and productive. This conflict doesn’t benefit anyone but if nothing was done it’d just keep repeating itself.
Palestine openly un-alives anyone in the LGBT scene, even supporters.
Kids need to learn that Muslim terrorists are terrorists
Why is this bigot allowed to continue on this sub dear mods?
Let’s see how many gay people they allow there!
Can’t believe this is America!! Closing the voices AGIANST GENOCIDE!!!!
You really need to do more research
Greatest riot control ever, less than a minute.
ah yes, the "riot" of camping, studying, and singing
Yes and it's making a statement. That they're going to keep escalating as far as non-lethals will go until the message is heard and recognized. We will not tolerate promoting terrorism anywhere any longer. Virginia tech found out UVA found out Columbia found out all these other universities are finding out that they're no longer going to be institutions of indoctrination for every Fringe element on the planet. It is over simple as that. I'm going to give you two words to look up. Kent State. I don't ever want to see it escalate to that but it could