I just bought Omori and I finished downloading it. Gonna start playing it tomorrow, I know nothing about it, but the One Shot community loves it, so I'm giving it a try :)
We of the Undertale community also love it (by which I mean I and one other person that I know of love it and I believe Toby Fox may have mentioned it at some point possibly).
Fair warning. It's dark. Also there are two routes, depending on whether or not you answer the door: the Sunny Route and the Hikikomori Route (I think that's a fancy japanese word for introvert).
True, but their comments about "eradicating the enemy" and the fact that they only move towards us all creepy like when we DON'T destroy the world make me think that they've become evil over the course of the route.
The events of this meme might well have happened somewhere in the middle of Genocide though.
It's not. In the middle of genocide route Chara is encouraging your actions. Chara does it also from the very beginning of the genocide route (encouraging).
Chara is not attacking us. Chara's words:
* Now. Now, we have reached the absolute. There nothing left for us here. Let us erase this pointless world, and move on to the next.
And after your answer you see the blow. Chara is destroying the world.
Second genocide route:
* Now, partner. Let us send this world back into the abyss.
The only people here in a couple hours will be the same comment of "This comment section will be good (popcorn emoticon)". I swear to god it never gets good whenever i see these kind of comment you all lied to me.
I’ve written entire essays on much more important matter and only gotten 10-15, but I say something that is a contentious topic will have a fun comment section and I get 110+, like bruh.
Eh that’s fair. But I just mainly think that this amount of upvotes was maybe(completely) undeserved for the effort it took to think up and comment this. But I’ll take it.
I just wish that people could accept that maybe, in a game with so much mystery and uncertainty about specific details and characters, someone can have an opinion of something in this game that might not be what they think. But toxicity gets the fandoms of our best games. Complete shame.
Nobody will be perfect. Nobody will be pure evil. Chara could be anywhere on the scale. Some people (me included) like to presume Chara isn't even close to the far right (presuming that the far right is the side of evil.) It seems that everything about undertale can be second-guessed, though, so I'm willing to accept interpretations of this Chara-cter.
My personal interpretation is that they’re are coo-coo, but not towards monsters.
Just humans.
They cared about the Dreemurrs and the monster race but also was extremely resentful towards the human race and would enjoy killing them.
Their enthusiasm is not our fault, there is nothing to suggest we somehow force them to feel that way. For Noelle on the contrary, she is absolutely not enthusiastic, she exhibits symptoms of Stockhome Syndrome and is in denial, and when we push her too far she is unable to lean on either of those things. She is clearly conveyed after that as being traumatized. Noelle and Chara are nothing alike.
Frisk was totally into it. They’ll basically just totally be fine with whatever you choose most of the time, and I think it was Frisk who did the final blow on Sans, just because it parallels nicely with Frisk taking independence and telling Asriel their name. Frisk also takes the initiative with Monster Kid. All this is to say the manipulation theory that you make Chara a monster or help save the underground is actually more accurate applied to Frisk, even if it still works for both.
You didn't click a button for that attack, so that amkes sense. I'm pretty sure the implication is that anything that the character does automatically without you pressing anything is something they did of their own volition (Deltarune specially plays with that a lot)
The argument is if your click to the first attack counts for both of them (Sans died because there was a second attack after he dodged), because if you consider it does that you can't say that was Frisk.
Chara killed Asgore, Flowey and Sans:
1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/qmmaec/I_think_chara_is_evil/hjbkq5y/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
2. https://www.reddit.com/r/Charadefensesquad/comments/s5ekfw/i_wish_this_was_a_joke_but_i_actually_had_this/htwgo8h?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
There's no evidence it's Frisk:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/nc5mgv/hot_take_toxicity_flows_both_ways/gy7r2nz?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
It is Chara. We see a reference to the "weird expression" that corresponds to the "creepy face" that Flowey later talks about (think of Chara's "creepy face" on the tapes, which Toby added there for a reason, to show it). The character then engages in a battle with MK, and we hear the theme "In My Way" (slowed down "Anticipation" theme), which is played only a few times in the game:
* At the end of the genocide in the Demo, where Chara says "That was fun. Let's finish the job," and we hear this theme in the background.
* When the character first enters the battle on their own, and we see the narrative "In my way", which appear immediately after the start of the battle. Which also hints at WHOSE initiative it was. Also "Looks like free EXP."
* After Flowey says that creatures like them wouldn't hesitate to kill each other if they got ***in each other's way*** (remember MK and Chara's words). After his words, we start hearing this theme again, and Flowey mentions the "creepy face" (again, MK also talked about the "weird expression" before the character started approaching him.)
* The ending of a Soulless Pacifist with a photo where we see Chara and only Chara, not Frisk.
Papyrus also says that Fridk is "shamble around", and he ONLY (save for one case) saw Frisk walking when Frisk was moving under Chara's control through the puzzles. "Shamble around" is not a word with you would describe a normal walking.
* Shamble around - to walk awkwardly with dragging feet.
>and I think it was Frisk who did the final blow on Sans, just because it parallels nicely with Frisk taking independence and telling Asriel their name.
It happens on the pacifist route.
On the genocide route, Chara's name is revealed by him ("It's me, Chara" in front of the mirror), Chara in the New Home directly talking about doing things directly ("I unlocked the chain" instead of "You unlocked the chain") and appears at the end.
There's no revealing of Frisk as a person. There's revealing of Chara.
Frisk is not the one who takes the initiative with monster kid, the narration says "In my way", making it very clear Chara is the one who initiated the fight. When Sans gets attaced the damage he takes is a string of 9s, just like when Chara erases the world. When you load the game to kill Sans again he will imply we have a pretty disturbing face ("the expression your wearing... i won't grace it with description"). Now which character is the one associated with creepy faces in the game? Not Frisk. We have no reason to think Frisk is the one to kill Sans and at least 2 to think it's Chara. Not to mention that while we see that Chara's presence and control over Frisk is very strong in the genocide route we see no evidence before this that the player's control over Frisk is waning unlike in the pacifist route where we have the true lab where Frisk resists the player and Undyne's house where Frisk does only 1 damage to Undyne and looks sick if the player forces them to select the soda. Chara is the one who kills Sans, Flowey and Asgore, not Frisk.
Well technically they did slash flowey and asgore to death and erase the world from existence at the end of genocide but I mean the genocide route isn't their fault or anything like that. We were the ones who drove the world to its edge
They do hesitate with flowey, you have to click the button to kill him, if you don’t click the button you can abort genocide, it’s the last chance you get
We need a FIGHT button to make a choice, not press a Z button.
**Another person:**
Ummmm what? You also need to skip the dialouge in order for Toriel to whack Asgore with fire, are you telling me Toriel just stood there patiently waiting for you to press z before attacking? Or even better that you were the one who fired the fireball and Toriel just wanted to take credit for it? Continuing dialouge is way of moving time/the story forward, sometimes characters do it automatically to represent that they are rushing through what they are saying either out of fear or excitement. Once they stop this you must skip the dialouge. Flowey is desperately trying to convince Chara why they shouldn't kill them and are afraid of death at any moment so he rushes his dialouge. However, Flowey last words aren't rushed because he has nothing to say after them, it is a desperate cry of fear, ergo you must push enter or z to continue the story, eg his death. You are just moving time forward not killing him.
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Earlier, after Flowey's words about how they wouldn't hesitate to kill each other if they got in the way, Chara started approaching him in a threatening manner and appeared to have a smile on his face. So he had already shown Flowey that he was going to kill him, too. And you're saying Chara hesitated? Lol, no. This is a game, and this is the mechanics this game required. It makes no sense in the context of the game, especially considering that Chara killed Flowey in the most brutal way and then appeared in front of the Player with a smile on his face, thanking them and calling them a great partner.
By the time this happens, Chara already knows that Flowey is Asriel. He knows this from the very end of the Ruins, in fact, where Flowey recognizes Chara and says that they are "still inseparable, even after all these years."
So we control EVERY character that doesn't attack unless we close the dialog?
We close the dialog. This simply moves the plot from a dead point. And Chara decides to attack and leave no trace of Flowey.
The Player doesn't press the attack button. The Player closes the dialog, and the characters act on their own.
And to say that Chara was manipulated by someone isn't right. We don't interact with Chara in any way, we don't say anything to him. Hell, we don't even know who Chara is until we meet him at the end! Chara just sees it and makes his own conclusions, his own decisions. We killed 20 monsters, didn't interact with Chara about it in any way, and Chara decided to join in. That's all. You are not able to manipulate someone with whom you don't interact in any way (they only interact with you) and just do your thing.
And you can kill even a hundred or more monsters on a neutral path, but that doesn't teach Chara anything at all.
Chara makes his own choices and conclusions. He chooses to be the bad guy. And the fact that killing hundreds of monsters doesn't make him a bad guy, and Chara only does it when he can get what he wants, proves it.
If you don't kill Snowdrake, as Chara demands, he'll say:
* The comedian got away. Failure.
And the genocide will fail.
The player does not say ANYTHING and does not express ANY thoughts. The player just does what they does, and Chara makes his own conclusions and choices. No one takes him by the hand and tries to make him kill. No one tells him how good it is to kill. He does everything on his own. Because he's a character, not some weak-willed puppet who has no will and no personality of his own.
From another person:
Just a reminder that Chara berates the player for failing to kill Snowdrake, which shoots a hole in the notion that Chara was only doing what the player expected of them. A student does not call their teacher a “failure” when they’re supposed to be following whatever rules the teacher dictates.
Also, one can kill just as much, if not more monsters by choosing to go the bloody neutral route (imitating a genocide route, leaving at least one monster alive before leaving the Ruins, then continuing the genocide route as normal, grinding for multi-battles along the way). Yet doing this does not cause Chara to act the same way that they do in the genocide route. This proves that Chara is not at all “corrupted” by the kill count—if they were, they would act the same in both the genocide route and the bloody neutral route.
This isn’t even mentioning how they hold the entire world hostage in order to bargain for Frisk/the player’s SOUL, even though the most righteous thing to do would be to leave the world empty in order to remind the player of their heinous actions for all eternity. And need I mention how the soulless pacifist route ends?
Conclusion: All of Chara’s actions on the genocide route are completely voluntary. They do not aid the player because it’s their only choice, but because they want to. Every action they take is in an effort to bring them closer to their ultimate goal—exacting revenge on humanity and obliterating all that stands in their way.
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This is not a reason to help some stranger in the extermination and in the end destroy the world. And in particular, the murder of those who once cared for Chara. And isn't Chara ALREADY acting independently of us on the path of genocide? He literally leads the Player to the end, not just spectator. He acts on the path of genocide. He helps on the path of genocide. He guide you on the path of genocide to the ending. He destroys the world at the end of the genocide, regardless of your choice. Your words only apply if Chara is just watching and not doing ANYTHING. But this is not the case.
So the words that Chara didn't lose his mind, memories and the ability to think, but only lost his soul with love and compassion, still remain. This does NOT apply when Chara is very revealing himself and active on the path of genocide, and it does not apply when Chara has not completely lost his memories.
How do you get the idea of "killing is good" into someone who has memories, has a brain, has principles, has personality just because they have lost the ability to love and have compassion? Why do people think Chara is their favorite character? For lack of identity? And the Player doesn't even express ANY ideas. They just kill. They don't say "Killing is cool!", do not give Chara a knife and lead a hand to kill, do not force him to kill a kitten on pain of death. Chara makes his choices, his conclusions. Chara just sees it and decides whether to start participating directly or not.
I still think that was Frisk. Like wouldn’t it parallel the end of the pacifist route nicely? Instead of meeting Asriel at the end, you meet Chara, and Frisk takes into their hands to save Asriel or kill Flowey. It really nicely parallels.
I personally believe that Chara is always watching the player, and the only reason they appear in the Geno route is because they want to punish you for killing everyone.
Oh boy...
People like to belive that even though nothing Indicates It.
Chara is literally unremorseful at the end of Genocide,they literally call us partner and talk about how we guided them.
*They literally erased the fucking timeline against our will.*
They also say you have a perverted sentimentality that they cannot possibly understand. They’re generally very antagonistic towards you, and they clearly don’t actually like you, but are putting a polite kind of facade you’d see in predatory business meetings. Chara absolutely wants to fuck you over, for two reasons: number 1 you killed everyone, literally everyone. And number 2, they probably kinda liked it, or at the least felt conflicted. There’s no way Chara is innocent here, and there’s absolutely no way Chara thinks of you fondly after a Soulless Pacifist route. Chara is both the embodiment of your sins, basically having absorbed your awful actions and adopted them as their own, but also definitely punishes you for it. Generally, Chara talks down to you, almost condescendingly, they don’t respect you, they’re just polite, and fuck you over even after you don’t agree to deleting the world, because they don’t actually care about you, in fact, after doing a second genocide or pacifist run, definitely think lesser of you, more than just not respecting you. It’s a combination of “You made them this way.” “They’re out to fuck with you and kinda hate you.” And “They’re also definitely kinda evil after this, but in a more morally complicated, because you’re also evil in game.”
Perverted in this context just means twisted/corrupted. Sentimentality is usually seen as a good, soft thing but our sentimentality is pretty darn evil. Hence our sentimentality is twisted/corrupted and thus perverted. Chara isn't expressing disgust with your actions by saying this. Chara has already acknowledged themselves as a demon so calling you evil is hardly an insult, Chara expects you to be aware of the fact you're evil.
Chara doesn't do the soulless pacifist route to punish the player. In fact, I don't see how Chara would even know the player would know about their actions in the soulless pacifist route. From there perspective the player has left Frisk's body already so they have no reason to think they are still present.
What does that have to do with anything?
I wasn't talking about weather we are responsible for Genocide or not(we are),I was talking about this Idea that Chara is "punishing" us for killing people even though there's no Indication of that.
Personally, I view Frisk as… well, not “evil,” but more… I guess “amoral” is a good word. Like if The Player’s personality and attitude towards the game we’re put into a character. They do whatever the Player would choose without any resistance, and they even have fun with both routes. And with the power of RESETting, they can pretty much indulge in any curiosities they have without fearing negative or permanent consequences (or so they think). They also don’t seem to have too many discernible traits that aren’t a result of what the player does or chooses. So depending on The Player, Frisk could be a saint, a sociopath, or something akin to a super messed up god that treats all of reality as their personal playpen or stress toy. At least that’s how I like to think of it!
All of the comments here have given me more insight on whether or not Chara is innocent or evil, and my conclusion shall be that they are in limbo between both. There’s no real way to come to a conclusion about it.
So yeah thanks for the info.
It's only a punishment If you see It that way.
Chara talks about how we "reached the absolute",so I see It more as like Chara is what we encounter at the end of the road.
It's only a punishment If you see It that way.
Chara talks about how we "reached the absolute",so I see It more as like Chara is what we encounter at the end of the road.
Chara isn't a punishment, Chara is a character who represents your desire to power-grind. They initially refuse to bring the world back because that's the message the game has for you—that once you go too far, your actions prevent you from being forgiven. But as a character that doesn't mean Chara is not also a person who wants to kill.
We did genocide, but Chara still erased the whole world. She also crossed out the faces on our friends on the soulless pacifist route, and why would she do that if she did nothing wrong?
Not the OP and I don't think Chara did nothing wrong, but I 100% think that we are at fault for Chara being evil after genocide. Chara says that our strength brought them back to life, and that we showed them what "their reincarnation's purpose was".
I think that Chara is the narrator(wow so original) and that we influence them a lot.
Since depending on the route, the flavour text starts to change, like if you check Papyrus on genocide it says "Forgettable" and of course in new home where it narrates things like "the day I fell here", "my drawing", "no chocolate".
Didn't she/they/he poison Asgore and scare Asriel when she/they/he was alive? And maybe I'm remembering things wrong, didn't Asriel also say at some point that Chara wasn't that good of a person?
Whilst I am not disagreeing with you where have you gotten the 12k monsters stat from (not being rude I was just not aware it was that many or have heard that)
Not **everyone** died. Don't forget that Asgore has an entire kingdom to rule over,and the player barely kills 100 of them. Based on this,Genocide wouldn't even be the correct term for the route
Oh I’m certainly not going to shift blame for the Genocide Route onto Chara. If anything, I’m taking credit for it because Chara didn’t spend hours getting their crap kicked in by Sans Undertale. Even so, I will certainly say that “End of Genocide Route” Chara was definitely evil and a little insane at that point. Not sure how much my fault that is (probably entirely), but I’m definitely blaming them for erasing a timeline with us in it. I deserved it, but, like, bro you killed *everyone.* That definitely made them at least as evil as I was.
Or alternatively people just recognize that Chara embraced the Genocide Route that you chose to commit. In reality, more people seem inclined to absolve Chara of all wrongdoing or evil than the inverse.
It's just that I feel like we as a fandom should be able to accept that chara is a complex character, I'm a charaoffender but I don't think that chara is responsible for all of the genocide route, I just think that they as a hole (both the alive and soulless/ghost version) are kinda not good, but that doesn't mean I think that's the only way to view some parts of chara, it's ok to be a chara defender, a lot of it is very ambiguous, but to say that they did nothing wrong is just flat out wrong (same to say that they did all bad in genocide)
All the text and narration is done by chara, there is a lot to the theory but the main evidence that there is a lot of stuff that is said that only chara could know, and in the genocide route chara says something in the lines of, you woke me up when you fell down.
Yeah but if you compare the possible good they could do, to the possible bad they could do you see that they can be driven to do a lot worse than good, which makes me think that them as a hole are more bad than good, plus Nara chara should have no soul and as we see with flowey that should make them somewhat messed up.
Why must this stupid argument leak out of its devoted subreddits ever so often?
Both r/CharaOffenseSquad and r/Charadefensesquad are wrong, Chara is a super complex character who is neither some innocent little muffin who never did anything wrong, nor literally satan. They're very morally grey, and both these subreddits present a highly flanderized version of them, neither of which is an accurate reflection of their canon personality and actions.
Now please, go back to your respective echo chambers and leave the rest of us alone. As someone who quite enjoys how complex Chara is as a character, I am sick and tired of this nonsense, and I doubt I am alone. You have three entire subreddits devoted exclusively to arguing about which version of fanon!Chara is more accurate, please go use those instead of bringing it here.
Chara is still evil though.
The best defense you can possibly make for chara is that they had nothing to do with the in game genocide events at all. But there are still a many things they canonically did that was pretty messed up.
Didn't asriel flat out say that chara wasn't a good person post-pacifist?
Why is there an argument about whether a fictional character is evil or not in the first place? Personally I just think people should just be allowed to have there own opinions about it
You know what’s crazy to me? In a game with incredibly morally and emotionally complex characters such as alphys, Asgore, asriel, toriel, (seriously I could go on) and which’s MAIN THEMES are “There are consequences for everything” and “be a decent human being”, people STILL THINK that there’s a pure evil character, because they don’t want to admit they killed everyone. Chara isn’t evil. They’re very morally complex, and I could at least see the case that they’re morally dark grey, but they are not evil.
Chara was a willing partner ("Together, we eradicated the enemy and became strong" and "And, with your help. We will eradicate the enemy and become strong"), was [encouraging it](https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/szllzm/comment/hy7xkh9/), and we kill just hundred monsters. Chara [kills thousands by destroying the would](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/lvhkhi/is_the_world_at_the_end_of_the_genocide_path/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).
It is more like vice versa.
Chara absolutely kills everybody in post genocide run.
And helps with some kills in genocide.
And generally encourages you and has nothing against it.
They're not irresponsible they're basically genocide's right hand man
Chara is not responsible for genocide. That’s because you, yes you. I see you eating your Doritos, are responsible for genocide not Chara. So Chara not evil, The Player is the real evil one.
I can’t wait for people to blindly consider Chara an evil, irredeemable demon when it was us who lead the genocide route. If anything, Chara only hated the humans. If she wanted to kill all the monsters, she would’ve done so a hundred years ago instead of wasting time with the humans. And to those who say “What about those moments where we lose control?” I reply with: Was it truly Chara that took over us, or was it actually Frisk? Sure, Chara says “Since when were you the one in control?” But many think that means Frisk isn’t in control when in reality, it’s directed at us. Think about it. We, the player, control Frisk throughout the different routes, but as their determination grows stronger in the genocide route, they begin to break free from our control at various points. Hence why the message Chara says isn't directed at Frisk, but at us. Sure, Chara kills Frisk, but don’t forget that because of us, they aren’t in the right state of mind. I mean, if someone killed everyone you knew and loved, I’m sure you too would go insane and kill them. If anything, it’s almost better to call Chara an antihero more than a villain, since she’s technically the one that stops us from causing further harm on the surface. By sacrificing the world to kill Frisk and sever our control, they shut us down from doing it ourselves. Of course, let’s not forget their “deal”. Of course, this can also be interpreted as insanity and broken state of mind rather than an act of pure evil due to the reasons addressed above. Chara was never a stable human, sure, but our little genocide was the final nail in the coffin which turned that instability to downright madness. In fact, it can even be assumed their entire speech isn’t directed at Frisk, but at us. Sure, they do kill Frisk, but that’s so they can completely sever our control from them as well as take revenge for those who they lost.
If people downvote me for this, so be it, but I implore to you who reads this to consider what I said.
This comment section is(probably) gonna be fun in a couple hours.
Can’t wait.
Basil from omori?!
Oh god, **you**
I WARNED YOU ABOUT STAIRS BRO!!!! I TOLD YOU DOG!
That's a turtle cat, not a dog.
.... It keeps happening
They're always up to something
I omor
ayo the pizza's here
Eahh my ears burn
That’s my line.
Hell naw ☠️
And your also here. r/OMORI IS EVERYWHERE!!!
I have been summoned from the depths of >!Blackspace!<
Oh hey I'm from there too
hehe I was r/omori member, nice to see another omori enjoyer in this subreddit
I just bought Omori and I finished downloading it. Gonna start playing it tomorrow, I know nothing about it, but the One Shot community loves it, so I'm giving it a try :)
We of the Undertale community also love it (by which I mean I and one other person that I know of love it and I believe Toby Fox may have mentioned it at some point possibly). Fair warning. It's dark. Also there are two routes, depending on whether or not you answer the door: the Sunny Route and the Hikikomori Route (I think that's a fancy japanese word for introvert).
Oh damn didn't even notice that
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Well,Chara is arguably evil by the end.
This guy is a bot
BEGONE, BOT!
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This is literally a copy-and-paste of my comment.
I see. I understand that. From my understanding, them seemingly attacking us at the end of the fallen child scene seemed like punishment.
True, but their comments about "eradicating the enemy" and the fact that they only move towards us all creepy like when we DON'T destroy the world make me think that they've become evil over the course of the route. The events of this meme might well have happened somewhere in the middle of Genocide though.
It's not. In the middle of genocide route Chara is encouraging your actions. Chara does it also from the very beginning of the genocide route (encouraging).
Chara is not attacking us. Chara's words: * Now. Now, we have reached the absolute. There nothing left for us here. Let us erase this pointless world, and move on to the next. And after your answer you see the blow. Chara is destroying the world. Second genocide route: * Now, partner. Let us send this world back into the abyss.
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yes. that’s what my name was based on. Wish I could change it.
You can! It's called going to the reddit hq and forcing them to change your name
Here, have the 🔒 award
The only people here in a couple hours will be the same comment of "This comment section will be good (popcorn emoticon)". I swear to god it never gets good whenever i see these kind of comment you all lied to me.
I’ve written entire essays on much more important matter and only gotten 10-15, but I say something that is a contentious topic will have a fun comment section and I get 110+, like bruh.
I feel you. But just so you know, essays are more likely to have less upvotes, because a lot of people don't read anything that's too long.
Eh that’s fair. But I just mainly think that this amount of upvotes was maybe(completely) undeserved for the effort it took to think up and comment this. But I’ll take it.
wait i just came back to the fandom....you guys still waging a civil war about this stuff? oh yeah wh40k's always on a civil war about lore details
I just wish that people could accept that maybe, in a game with so much mystery and uncertainty about specific details and characters, someone can have an opinion of something in this game that might not be what they think. But toxicity gets the fandoms of our best games. Complete shame.
Yeah. Popcorns ready.
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Well not that they didn’t do anything wrong (in general) They’re just not responsible for genocide.
That’s what I mean.
Nobody will be perfect. Nobody will be pure evil. Chara could be anywhere on the scale. Some people (me included) like to presume Chara isn't even close to the far right (presuming that the far right is the side of evil.) It seems that everything about undertale can be second-guessed, though, so I'm willing to accept interpretations of this Chara-cter.
My personal interpretation is that they’re are coo-coo, but not towards monsters. Just humans. They cared about the Dreemurrs and the monster race but also was extremely resentful towards the human race and would enjoy killing them.
That. That I can agree with. It could even make sense too. It'd explain a lot. Perhaps the humans tried the same to them, too.
An enthusiastic participant is responsible to an extent.
Would be if their enthusiasm wasn't our fault as well. Similar to Noelle.
Their enthusiasm is not our fault, there is nothing to suggest we somehow force them to feel that way. For Noelle on the contrary, she is absolutely not enthusiastic, she exhibits symptoms of Stockhome Syndrome and is in denial, and when we push her too far she is unable to lean on either of those things. She is clearly conveyed after that as being traumatized. Noelle and Chara are nothing alike.
Frisk neither.... The one who's responsible for the genocide is the player themselves, that's the whole point of the game
So true.
remake this with Frisk and Chara as Boots accusing the soul (player)
Frisk was totally into it. They’ll basically just totally be fine with whatever you choose most of the time, and I think it was Frisk who did the final blow on Sans, just because it parallels nicely with Frisk taking independence and telling Asriel their name. Frisk also takes the initiative with Monster Kid. All this is to say the manipulation theory that you make Chara a monster or help save the underground is actually more accurate applied to Frisk, even if it still works for both.
You didn't click a button for that attack, so that amkes sense. I'm pretty sure the implication is that anything that the character does automatically without you pressing anything is something they did of their own volition (Deltarune specially plays with that a lot) The argument is if your click to the first attack counts for both of them (Sans died because there was a second attack after he dodged), because if you consider it does that you can't say that was Frisk.
Chara killed Asgore, Flowey and Sans: 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/qmmaec/I_think_chara_is_evil/hjbkq5y/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 2. https://www.reddit.com/r/Charadefensesquad/comments/s5ekfw/i_wish_this_was_a_joke_but_i_actually_had_this/htwgo8h?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 There's no evidence it's Frisk: https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/nc5mgv/hot_take_toxicity_flows_both_ways/gy7r2nz?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 It is Chara. We see a reference to the "weird expression" that corresponds to the "creepy face" that Flowey later talks about (think of Chara's "creepy face" on the tapes, which Toby added there for a reason, to show it). The character then engages in a battle with MK, and we hear the theme "In My Way" (slowed down "Anticipation" theme), which is played only a few times in the game: * At the end of the genocide in the Demo, where Chara says "That was fun. Let's finish the job," and we hear this theme in the background. * When the character first enters the battle on their own, and we see the narrative "In my way", which appear immediately after the start of the battle. Which also hints at WHOSE initiative it was. Also "Looks like free EXP." * After Flowey says that creatures like them wouldn't hesitate to kill each other if they got ***in each other's way*** (remember MK and Chara's words). After his words, we start hearing this theme again, and Flowey mentions the "creepy face" (again, MK also talked about the "weird expression" before the character started approaching him.) * The ending of a Soulless Pacifist with a photo where we see Chara and only Chara, not Frisk. Papyrus also says that Fridk is "shamble around", and he ONLY (save for one case) saw Frisk walking when Frisk was moving under Chara's control through the puzzles. "Shamble around" is not a word with you would describe a normal walking. * Shamble around - to walk awkwardly with dragging feet. >and I think it was Frisk who did the final blow on Sans, just because it parallels nicely with Frisk taking independence and telling Asriel their name. It happens on the pacifist route. On the genocide route, Chara's name is revealed by him ("It's me, Chara" in front of the mirror), Chara in the New Home directly talking about doing things directly ("I unlocked the chain" instead of "You unlocked the chain") and appears at the end. There's no revealing of Frisk as a person. There's revealing of Chara.
Frisk is not the one who takes the initiative with monster kid, the narration says "In my way", making it very clear Chara is the one who initiated the fight. When Sans gets attaced the damage he takes is a string of 9s, just like when Chara erases the world. When you load the game to kill Sans again he will imply we have a pretty disturbing face ("the expression your wearing... i won't grace it with description"). Now which character is the one associated with creepy faces in the game? Not Frisk. We have no reason to think Frisk is the one to kill Sans and at least 2 to think it's Chara. Not to mention that while we see that Chara's presence and control over Frisk is very strong in the genocide route we see no evidence before this that the player's control over Frisk is waning unlike in the pacifist route where we have the true lab where Frisk resists the player and Undyne's house where Frisk does only 1 damage to Undyne and looks sick if the player forces them to select the soda. Chara is the one who kills Sans, Flowey and Asgore, not Frisk.
Well technically they did slash flowey and asgore to death and erase the world from existence at the end of genocide but I mean the genocide route isn't their fault or anything like that. We were the ones who drove the world to its edge
They do hesitate with flowey, you have to click the button to kill him, if you don’t click the button you can abort genocide, it’s the last chance you get
You have to click the button to dispel Flowey's dialogue, that isn't the same as Chara canonically hesitating.
I wouldn’t call stomping him into the ground hesitating lol
Actually you have to click the button to kill flowey, no one else does it for you, chara doesn’t do it until you push them
Omg I’m not having this debate
Yeah, it gets really tiring no matter what side you’re on, thanks for being mature and not having an argument with me
An actually mature and responsible Redditor? Impossible!
We need a FIGHT button to make a choice, not press a Z button. **Another person:** Ummmm what? You also need to skip the dialouge in order for Toriel to whack Asgore with fire, are you telling me Toriel just stood there patiently waiting for you to press z before attacking? Or even better that you were the one who fired the fireball and Toriel just wanted to take credit for it? Continuing dialouge is way of moving time/the story forward, sometimes characters do it automatically to represent that they are rushing through what they are saying either out of fear or excitement. Once they stop this you must skip the dialouge. Flowey is desperately trying to convince Chara why they shouldn't kill them and are afraid of death at any moment so he rushes his dialouge. However, Flowey last words aren't rushed because he has nothing to say after them, it is a desperate cry of fear, ergo you must push enter or z to continue the story, eg his death. You are just moving time forward not killing him. . Earlier, after Flowey's words about how they wouldn't hesitate to kill each other if they got in the way, Chara started approaching him in a threatening manner and appeared to have a smile on his face. So he had already shown Flowey that he was going to kill him, too. And you're saying Chara hesitated? Lol, no. This is a game, and this is the mechanics this game required. It makes no sense in the context of the game, especially considering that Chara killed Flowey in the most brutal way and then appeared in front of the Player with a smile on his face, thanking them and calling them a great partner. By the time this happens, Chara already knows that Flowey is Asriel. He knows this from the very end of the Ruins, in fact, where Flowey recognizes Chara and says that they are "still inseparable, even after all these years." So we control EVERY character that doesn't attack unless we close the dialog? We close the dialog. This simply moves the plot from a dead point. And Chara decides to attack and leave no trace of Flowey. The Player doesn't press the attack button. The Player closes the dialog, and the characters act on their own. And to say that Chara was manipulated by someone isn't right. We don't interact with Chara in any way, we don't say anything to him. Hell, we don't even know who Chara is until we meet him at the end! Chara just sees it and makes his own conclusions, his own decisions. We killed 20 monsters, didn't interact with Chara about it in any way, and Chara decided to join in. That's all. You are not able to manipulate someone with whom you don't interact in any way (they only interact with you) and just do your thing. And you can kill even a hundred or more monsters on a neutral path, but that doesn't teach Chara anything at all. Chara makes his own choices and conclusions. He chooses to be the bad guy. And the fact that killing hundreds of monsters doesn't make him a bad guy, and Chara only does it when he can get what he wants, proves it. If you don't kill Snowdrake, as Chara demands, he'll say: * The comedian got away. Failure. And the genocide will fail. The player does not say ANYTHING and does not express ANY thoughts. The player just does what they does, and Chara makes his own conclusions and choices. No one takes him by the hand and tries to make him kill. No one tells him how good it is to kill. He does everything on his own. Because he's a character, not some weak-willed puppet who has no will and no personality of his own. From another person: Just a reminder that Chara berates the player for failing to kill Snowdrake, which shoots a hole in the notion that Chara was only doing what the player expected of them. A student does not call their teacher a “failure” when they’re supposed to be following whatever rules the teacher dictates. Also, one can kill just as much, if not more monsters by choosing to go the bloody neutral route (imitating a genocide route, leaving at least one monster alive before leaving the Ruins, then continuing the genocide route as normal, grinding for multi-battles along the way). Yet doing this does not cause Chara to act the same way that they do in the genocide route. This proves that Chara is not at all “corrupted” by the kill count—if they were, they would act the same in both the genocide route and the bloody neutral route. This isn’t even mentioning how they hold the entire world hostage in order to bargain for Frisk/the player’s SOUL, even though the most righteous thing to do would be to leave the world empty in order to remind the player of their heinous actions for all eternity. And need I mention how the soulless pacifist route ends? Conclusion: All of Chara’s actions on the genocide route are completely voluntary. They do not aid the player because it’s their only choice, but because they want to. Every action they take is in an effort to bring them closer to their ultimate goal—exacting revenge on humanity and obliterating all that stands in their way. . This is not a reason to help some stranger in the extermination and in the end destroy the world. And in particular, the murder of those who once cared for Chara. And isn't Chara ALREADY acting independently of us on the path of genocide? He literally leads the Player to the end, not just spectator. He acts on the path of genocide. He helps on the path of genocide. He guide you on the path of genocide to the ending. He destroys the world at the end of the genocide, regardless of your choice. Your words only apply if Chara is just watching and not doing ANYTHING. But this is not the case. So the words that Chara didn't lose his mind, memories and the ability to think, but only lost his soul with love and compassion, still remain. This does NOT apply when Chara is very revealing himself and active on the path of genocide, and it does not apply when Chara has not completely lost his memories. How do you get the idea of "killing is good" into someone who has memories, has a brain, has principles, has personality just because they have lost the ability to love and have compassion? Why do people think Chara is their favorite character? For lack of identity? And the Player doesn't even express ANY ideas. They just kill. They don't say "Killing is cool!", do not give Chara a knife and lead a hand to kill, do not force him to kill a kitten on pain of death. Chara makes his choices, his conclusions. Chara just sees it and decides whether to start participating directly or not.
I still think that was Frisk. Like wouldn’t it parallel the end of the pacifist route nicely? Instead of meeting Asriel at the end, you meet Chara, and Frisk takes into their hands to save Asriel or kill Flowey. It really nicely parallels.
I will be back 🍿 (Also yeah I think it's on the player to influence the characters to be good or evil)
I personally believe that Chara is always watching the player, and the only reason they appear in the Geno route is because they want to punish you for killing everyone.
Oh boy... People like to belive that even though nothing Indicates It. Chara is literally unremorseful at the end of Genocide,they literally call us partner and talk about how we guided them. *They literally erased the fucking timeline against our will.*
They also say you have a perverted sentimentality that they cannot possibly understand. They’re generally very antagonistic towards you, and they clearly don’t actually like you, but are putting a polite kind of facade you’d see in predatory business meetings. Chara absolutely wants to fuck you over, for two reasons: number 1 you killed everyone, literally everyone. And number 2, they probably kinda liked it, or at the least felt conflicted. There’s no way Chara is innocent here, and there’s absolutely no way Chara thinks of you fondly after a Soulless Pacifist route. Chara is both the embodiment of your sins, basically having absorbed your awful actions and adopted them as their own, but also definitely punishes you for it. Generally, Chara talks down to you, almost condescendingly, they don’t respect you, they’re just polite, and fuck you over even after you don’t agree to deleting the world, because they don’t actually care about you, in fact, after doing a second genocide or pacifist run, definitely think lesser of you, more than just not respecting you. It’s a combination of “You made them this way.” “They’re out to fuck with you and kinda hate you.” And “They’re also definitely kinda evil after this, but in a more morally complicated, because you’re also evil in game.”
Perverted in this context just means twisted/corrupted. Sentimentality is usually seen as a good, soft thing but our sentimentality is pretty darn evil. Hence our sentimentality is twisted/corrupted and thus perverted. Chara isn't expressing disgust with your actions by saying this. Chara has already acknowledged themselves as a demon so calling you evil is hardly an insult, Chara expects you to be aware of the fact you're evil. Chara doesn't do the soulless pacifist route to punish the player. In fact, I don't see how Chara would even know the player would know about their actions in the soulless pacifist route. From there perspective the player has left Frisk's body already so they have no reason to think they are still present.
But was it not the players choice to conduct the Genocide?
I mean,yeah,what about It?
Chara is not responsible for the genocide. The player is.
What does that have to do with anything? I wasn't talking about weather we are responsible for Genocide or not(we are),I was talking about this Idea that Chara is "punishing" us for killing people even though there's no Indication of that.
Oh that. Yeah. I’m just trying to take in differences opinions.
Chara is pretty on board with complete destruction by the end of Genocide.
Then this could mean the player influences them.
Personally, I view Frisk as… well, not “evil,” but more… I guess “amoral” is a good word. Like if The Player’s personality and attitude towards the game we’re put into a character. They do whatever the Player would choose without any resistance, and they even have fun with both routes. And with the power of RESETting, they can pretty much indulge in any curiosities they have without fearing negative or permanent consequences (or so they think). They also don’t seem to have too many discernible traits that aren’t a result of what the player does or chooses. So depending on The Player, Frisk could be a saint, a sociopath, or something akin to a super messed up god that treats all of reality as their personal playpen or stress toy. At least that’s how I like to think of it!
The amount of animations where character is controlling frisk and killing everyone is absurd. I wish I could animate
Yes!!! Chara does not control the player, the most they do is at least help near the end.
WAIT ITS YOU. you forced me to spend 5 hours making a subreddit, how dare you.
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Chara reminds me of a “certain” gray woman who also did nothing wrong.
Is there a reference I am missing? I don’t understand lol
It’s from a webcomic that’s “8000” pages long
Is it that uhhhh house bound comic? Domicile Adhered? Residence Rammed?
Nah m8 it’s Apartment Glued
That’s what it is.
Homestuck, they are talking about Homestuck
Nah. I don’t think they are. Has to be something else entirely.
All of the comments here have given me more insight on whether or not Chara is innocent or evil, and my conclusion shall be that they are in limbo between both. There’s no real way to come to a conclusion about it. So yeah thanks for the info.
Yea I believe chara is unethical pre death evil in genocide and after that neutral
Isn’t Chara just a punishment for Frisk after Genocide? They say that they only grew in strength because of Frisk’s actions
They literally say "let's erase this world and move on to the next" and that you and them are partners, frisk isn't even in the scene
I would say that.
It's only a punishment If you see It that way. Chara talks about how we "reached the absolute",so I see It more as like Chara is what we encounter at the end of the road.
It's only a punishment If you see It that way. Chara talks about how we "reached the absolute",so I see It more as like Chara is what we encounter at the end of the road.
I mean, they do take your soul in the end. That seems like a punishment to me
They only get our soul If we trade It for the recreation of the timeline,seems relatively fair for a self-proclaimed demon.
Chara isn't a punishment, Chara is a character who represents your desire to power-grind. They initially refuse to bring the world back because that's the message the game has for you—that once you go too far, your actions prevent you from being forgiven. But as a character that doesn't mean Chara is not also a person who wants to kill.
I’m not saying that Frisk/ the player is a saint but chara could have possibly killed sans, asgore, and flowey
But why would they? They have absolutely no reason to.
I mean, we were not to one who pressed the fight button for their deaths (although we would have killed them eventually)
"**You killed them!** I mean, I would've killed them... *but still,* **I didn't! You monster!"**
Hey,Chara and us are evil together.
Maybe it was frisk who did it
I think it was Frisk.
We did genocide, but Chara still erased the whole world. She also crossed out the faces on our friends on the soulless pacifist route, and why would she do that if she did nothing wrong?
Not the OP and I don't think Chara did nothing wrong, but I 100% think that we are at fault for Chara being evil after genocide. Chara says that our strength brought them back to life, and that we showed them what "their reincarnation's purpose was". I think that Chara is the narrator(wow so original) and that we influence them a lot. Since depending on the route, the flavour text starts to change, like if you check Papyrus on genocide it says "Forgettable" and of course in new home where it narrates things like "the day I fell here", "my drawing", "no chocolate".
Didn't she/they/he poison Asgore and scare Asriel when she/they/he was alive? And maybe I'm remembering things wrong, didn't Asriel also say at some point that Chara wasn't that good of a person?
I know that this is a meme and all but in what world is literally plotting to genocide humanity “nothing wrong” lol
Opinions have changed since posting.
People just love to be able to pin the blame on someone else.
This. The player started it all. Then they pin the blame on Chara saying that “chara is evil” when it was the player.
Well,Chara is arguably evil by the end.
Yes, but it was because of us.
Well yeah,but since Chara is too much of cryptic to Identify themself to us until the very end we kinda just get to see Chara as the "evil demon".
I agree with that. Lack of info on Chara’s Character makes them seem evil.
But because of lack of info there’s no reason to think they’re good
That… is a very good point.
Chara is responsible for other crimes though. Such as *erasing the entire fucking timeline.*
A timeline in which everyone is dead what is the point in keeping it if the only person in the underground is you?
...We did not literally kill everyone in the underground. Also,the surface exists.
Everyone? There are at least 12k monsters in the underground by the end, not to mention the surface.
Whilst I am not disagreeing with you where have you gotten the 12k monsters stat from (not being rude I was just not aware it was that many or have heard that)
The rating board in the metaton ex fight goes up to 12k.
The 8 billion humans on earth that chara eraste: em I a joke to you
Why is this exaggeration so popular? Do people literally forget about Alphy’s, the Amalgamates and EVERY SINGLE OVERWORLD NPC
Not **everyone** died. Don't forget that Asgore has an entire kingdom to rule over,and the player barely kills 100 of them. Based on this,Genocide wouldn't even be the correct term for the route
Oh I’m certainly not going to shift blame for the Genocide Route onto Chara. If anything, I’m taking credit for it because Chara didn’t spend hours getting their crap kicked in by Sans Undertale. Even so, I will certainly say that “End of Genocide Route” Chara was definitely evil and a little insane at that point. Not sure how much my fault that is (probably entirely), but I’m definitely blaming them for erasing a timeline with us in it. I deserved it, but, like, bro you killed *everyone.* That definitely made them at least as evil as I was.
Or alternatively people just recognize that Chara embraced the Genocide Route that you chose to commit. In reality, more people seem inclined to absolve Chara of all wrongdoing or evil than the inverse.
"Chara did nothing wrong" before the comments get locked I want to ask you, how is them helping us and guiding us in the genocide route not wrong
The Player and Chara:Partners in Crime.
You make a fair point.
Are you new to undertale?
No? I’ve been a fan for years.
It's just that I feel like we as a fandom should be able to accept that chara is a complex character, I'm a charaoffender but I don't think that chara is responsible for all of the genocide route, I just think that they as a hole (both the alive and soulless/ghost version) are kinda not good, but that doesn't mean I think that's the only way to view some parts of chara, it's ok to be a chara defender, a lot of it is very ambiguous, but to say that they did nothing wrong is just flat out wrong (same to say that they did all bad in genocide)
But Chara also helps us in the pacifist run (Assuming the Narra-Chara Theory is correct). Although on a smaller scale, it's still help.
What is that theory
All the text and narration is done by chara, there is a lot to the theory but the main evidence that there is a lot of stuff that is said that only chara could know, and in the genocide route chara says something in the lines of, you woke me up when you fell down.
Yeah but if you compare the possible good they could do, to the possible bad they could do you see that they can be driven to do a lot worse than good, which makes me think that them as a hole are more bad than good, plus Nara chara should have no soul and as we see with flowey that should make them somewhat messed up.
You idiot? Flowey reference?!?!!1?!1?1!1!1???1!1!!1??1!!?1?!1?1??¿????¿¿????
flower
Damn magic. The first thing I see after watching that movie lol
welcome to the chara debate, grab a cookie on your way in
You should probably replace Chara with... i dunno Papyrus or Flowly and Frisk with the Soul
Idk, Flowey seemed pretty on board with us killing everyone.
Until he realizes everyone includes him
Exactly.
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I didn’t have a way to represent the player, but that’s what I meant.
took me like 2 minutes to understand where the actual scene is from
Lemme go into my bunker, anyone wanna join before this post causes mayhem across the entire server?
Me.
Ze player did this
It’s all your fault
Why me dude nooooo
Not you, someone else
Oh ok
Why must this stupid argument leak out of its devoted subreddits ever so often? Both r/CharaOffenseSquad and r/Charadefensesquad are wrong, Chara is a super complex character who is neither some innocent little muffin who never did anything wrong, nor literally satan. They're very morally grey, and both these subreddits present a highly flanderized version of them, neither of which is an accurate reflection of their canon personality and actions. Now please, go back to your respective echo chambers and leave the rest of us alone. As someone who quite enjoys how complex Chara is as a character, I am sick and tired of this nonsense, and I doubt I am alone. You have three entire subreddits devoted exclusively to arguing about which version of fanon!Chara is more accurate, please go use those instead of bringing it here.
I agree with Chara being a Morally grey character.
There’s no law against destroying the world… I think
Chara is still evil though. The best defense you can possibly make for chara is that they had nothing to do with the in game genocide events at all. But there are still a many things they canonically did that was pretty messed up. Didn't asriel flat out say that chara wasn't a good person post-pacifist?
Why is there an argument about whether a fictional character is evil or not in the first place? Personally I just think people should just be allowed to have there own opinions about it
I'm actually surprised that there's only about 106 monsters that are fightable. You'd reckon there'd be more of them out in the open.
Yeah. Considering there are at least 12k of them (evidence:ratings in Mettaton's fight)
i dont think that frisk is evil but being controled by the player like kris. just my headcannon
I think that too. I just didn’t have a way to represent the player
Thank you for starting another shitty and pointless argument for karma
“Lets commit omnicide together!” “I thought you’d never ask!”
Hooray!
You know what’s crazy to me? In a game with incredibly morally and emotionally complex characters such as alphys, Asgore, asriel, toriel, (seriously I could go on) and which’s MAIN THEMES are “There are consequences for everything” and “be a decent human being”, people STILL THINK that there’s a pure evil character, because they don’t want to admit they killed everyone. Chara isn’t evil. They’re very morally complex, and I could at least see the case that they’re morally dark grey, but they are not evil.
Exactly.
It’s also not frisks fault it’s YOUR FAULT STUPID
yes I know I just used frisk to represent the player I should have used the soul instead
Chara was a willing partner ("Together, we eradicated the enemy and became strong" and "And, with your help. We will eradicate the enemy and become strong"), was [encouraging it](https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/szllzm/comment/hy7xkh9/), and we kill just hundred monsters. Chara [kills thousands by destroying the would](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharaOffenseSquad/comments/lvhkhi/is_the_world_at_the_end_of_the_genocide_path/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). It is more like vice versa.
Chara absolutely kills everybody in post genocide run. And helps with some kills in genocide. And generally encourages you and has nothing against it. They're not irresponsible they're basically genocide's right hand man
They rebel at the end, so I guess you could say they were our Left hand man.
Bruh it's not a rebellion it's a coup They just take over. Plus they even offer us an option to agree with them.
I did not know how to describe it, srr
TOO FUCKING RIGHT!!!!!!
Who did it then? (I did pacifist so not player :troll:)
Frisk is suddenly flowey /j
Great argument however,CHARA TRYING TO POISON ASGORE
Did they? I thought it was a mistake
Chara is not responsible for genocide. That’s because you, yes you. I see you eating your Doritos, are responsible for genocide not Chara. So Chara not evil, The Player is the real evil one.
Make the same meme but swap Chara with Frisk and Frisk with Asriel 🍿
how is chara not evil arent they pushing you to do more genocide? arent they helping you in genocide?
"the demon that comes when it's name is called"
I can’t wait for people to blindly consider Chara an evil, irredeemable demon when it was us who lead the genocide route. If anything, Chara only hated the humans. If she wanted to kill all the monsters, she would’ve done so a hundred years ago instead of wasting time with the humans. And to those who say “What about those moments where we lose control?” I reply with: Was it truly Chara that took over us, or was it actually Frisk? Sure, Chara says “Since when were you the one in control?” But many think that means Frisk isn’t in control when in reality, it’s directed at us. Think about it. We, the player, control Frisk throughout the different routes, but as their determination grows stronger in the genocide route, they begin to break free from our control at various points. Hence why the message Chara says isn't directed at Frisk, but at us. Sure, Chara kills Frisk, but don’t forget that because of us, they aren’t in the right state of mind. I mean, if someone killed everyone you knew and loved, I’m sure you too would go insane and kill them. If anything, it’s almost better to call Chara an antihero more than a villain, since she’s technically the one that stops us from causing further harm on the surface. By sacrificing the world to kill Frisk and sever our control, they shut us down from doing it ourselves. Of course, let’s not forget their “deal”. Of course, this can also be interpreted as insanity and broken state of mind rather than an act of pure evil due to the reasons addressed above. Chara was never a stable human, sure, but our little genocide was the final nail in the coffin which turned that instability to downright madness. In fact, it can even be assumed their entire speech isn’t directed at Frisk, but at us. Sure, they do kill Frisk, but that’s so they can completely sever our control from them as well as take revenge for those who they lost. If people downvote me for this, so be it, but I implore to you who reads this to consider what I said.
Here before the 🔒 award!
Honestly waiting for it atp
Impressively, it hasn't happened yet. Have an upvote.