I know all of the cases on this sub are heartbreaking, but the details here are really affecting. The writing on the gravestone too, it's touching the way people can care so deeply for a stranger. I hope this Doe gets her name back soon.
It is, it's very moving and geniuine. If it's possible, I like to include details like these, of someone funding a headstone for a Doe, or how impacted someone was by finding the Doe or just hearing about their case. I think that it's very humanizing and shows how much a situation like this can impact many or even one life for so long, how these cases aren't suspended in some other reality but have a very tangible influence on everyone involved.
I hope that she will get her name soon too. I think that there are high chances for it if enough attention will be drawn to the case and enough funds will be gathered. I'm sure that her loved ones will be able to find some comfort in how kind so many strangers were to Jane, even though they had no idea who she was.
I do wonder if they're already performing genealogy on her and are being slowed down by a lack of close matches. IIRC, the DNA Doe Project has been chipping away at the identity of Ventura County Jane Doe (another Hispanic/Native woman) for the better part of five years now
It's possible. Yeah, Hispanic and Native Does are pretty famously often difficult to research due to pulling from a lot of smaller DNA groups and these groups often having little representation in databases 😔
I think you could make a case she was left to be found because someone cared, but for whatever reasons couldn’t come forward. But odds are like you said, nefarious. Sad either way
Yea I don’t think OP understands how difficult it could be to get an abortion even in 2006. Or how scared women can be (depending on the situation) about anyone finding out they’re pregnant or having an abortion.
Plus it’s expensive as fuck, if you’re already in a bad situation. $600 I think when I had to help a friend get one in 2007. Plus transportation to the city and a hotel for the waiting period. And she just got sent home with pills. At least if something went wrong she had enough support that we would have taken her to the ER. But not everyone has that.
Yes. There are so many reasons a woman might have to resort to a back-alley abortion, even in places where abortion is legal. Lack of funds being the most obvious.
I don't know about this one. They say she was in a seated position, which means rigor likely set in before the person found her and disposed of her body. Hence why in a seated position.
Yeah, the way she was posed is very interesting to me, because on one hand someone has clearly dumped her body after she died which we know due to the drag marks, but on the other that person(s) really did nothing to conceal her body, which would imply that they did indeed wanted someone to see her sooner or later. Maybe they didn't have any negative feelings towards her personally, maybe even felt sorry for her, and they just didn't want to be connected to her death? Still bad, but at least it shows some small level of care and humanization.
It could be that she passed while at home, and her family (who could have been illegal immigrants, or even a secret marriage/affair) didn’t want her death to draw attention
I wonder if she was part of a group who were here illegally, had a miscarriage or botched abortion and died, and one of the people she was with abandoned her body rather than having to call the police, which would have put them in danger of deportation.
>a group who were here illegally,
Was immigration a hot topic in 2006? I don't ever really remember anybody panicking over undocumented immigrants until the past decade or so.
Oh yes, very very much so. Blaming immigrants for social ills has been a thing basically as long as immigrants have been a thing. It was especially brutal in the years immediately after 9/11, but it goes way back beyond then. And even at times when it wasn't as prominent a political talking point, actual undocumented migrants have always been at risk of deportation if they come to the attention of the wrong people.
We actually don't care about someone's immigration status at the ER (or what drugs they're using, except for medical reasons), we are legally required to provide emergency care no matter who you are and immigration status (if it is collected information at all, which it generally isn't) in combination with any personally identifying information is covered by HIPAA. Hospitals are not in the business of immigration policy enforcement. But not everyone knows or trusts that, with sometimes tragic consequences.
In *theory*, yes. Federal law requires hospitals to provide an evaluation and stabilizing care to anyone presenting with an emergency complaint, but they don't have to do it for free.
But they can't delay treatment for payment- everybody gets triaged and in the ER and treated in order of severity. Generally a registrar makes rounds through the ER and collects insurance or payment info for anyone who didn't have time to provide it before being seen, but that might not be till after a great deal of care has been provided. If the patients answer at that point is "I don't have ID or insurance and/or I can't pay upfront", they still continue to get stabilizing care. The hospital will attempt to bill them later.
Obviously, many people who are unable to pay simply ignore these attempts forever. Many hospitals will also offer large cash discounts upfront or settle past debts for lower amounts because they are aware of the high rate of default. Undocumented migrants who would meet all the eligibility requirements for emergency Medicaid (a state-administered insurance program for the impoverished) except for their immigration status are still eligible, and generally this includes coverage for emergency labor and delivery or an acute emergency like hemorrhage.
So while it's a terrible, illogical, inhumane system that produces obscene long-term outcomes in many cases (like crushing medical debt and needlessly delayed treatment when people hesitate to seek care), anybody in the US who is experiencing an acute medical emergency (like hemorrhaging) *is* entitled to treatment regardless of their ability to pay. They may be billed for it after the fact, but "alive and in debt" is better than "debt-free but dead" and they do not face deportation from pursing emergency care because of medical privacy laws. Sadly, not everyone knows this, and consequently some people avoid or delay critical treatment because of their immigration status.
Oh, so you aren’t old enough to remember “that’s how the Muslims were gonna sneak into our country & force Sharia Law on all us freedom loving Americans”?
My high school staged a student walkout/march to our local capital building around 2006-07 to protest the Bush administration's immigration policies. Iirc, about 80% of the student body walked out, largely because it was a Latino neighborhood with a high percentage of immigrant students. Latin American immigration was a huge topic in the mid-late 00s.
haha in like 2005 my hyper republican fundie uncle moved his kids out of arizona because he didn't want them learning spanish and he was scared shitless of the mexicans coming across the border. fear of specifically hispanic immigration has been a thing all the way since we started purposefully demonizing cannabis by calling it by its spanish name - marijuana, to associate mexicans coming across the border with drugs. this was back in the 70s if i recall correctly. sometimes the specific group we're afraid of immigrating here shifts, for awhile it was catholics (think the mass lynching of italian men), muslims (or anyone vaguely arabic) after 9/11, etc., but sadly the fear and disdain of hispanic immigration has been a mainstay for awhile now.
Way to shoehorn your irrelevant willful ignorance into this post…
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/number-people-terror-watchlist-stopped-mexico-us-border-risen-rcna105095
Did you read that article or just the title?
“A DHS official told reporters that the increase from fiscal 2022 to 2023 is consistent with the overall increase in migrants crossing the border and the rising number of migrants coming from areas of conflict.”
“Those on the watchlist include people who may be family members of suspected terrorists; their crossings make up just 0.01% of the more than 1 million crossings of the southern U.S. border in the last fiscal year, another DHS official said.”
So it’s not increasing compared to number of crossings and the watchlist (about 2 million people) isn’t even all suspected terrorists. Some of them are falsely flagged for having similar names. The list includes thousands of American citizens btw since you’re so concerned.
You asked if Immigration was a hot topic in 2006, because you don’t remember it being an issue before 2014.
And I’m telling you that it’s very much been a favorite topic for conservatives since I he 80’s, especially whenever ‘Abortion’ becomes too 3rd Rail.
No one is insulting you for not being born earlier. My dad remembers shit about Vietnam that I wasn’t around for. That’s how life works.
Even if it wasn’t as much of a whole social outrage thing, we still had immigration laws back then and those laws would be enforced sometimes which would result in deportation. I grew up with a lot of kids who themselves were undocumented or their parents were. A lot of these kids parents didn’t drive out of fear of having an accident or something, and getting deported. I have to imagine that people would have avoided medical care for that reason especially if it involved illegal activity (like a back alley abortion) or even the implication of illegal activity.
1.8 million people were deported during the Clinton administration and 2 million during the Bush administration. That’s compared with 3.2 million during the Obama administration. Only around 1 million got deported during Trump’s single term, so that barely an increase over the deportation rate in the 90s.
Yeah, this is an issue with Ancestry-style DNA tests for Indigenous populations in Australia too. It’s not considered a very valid or reliable method of ruling in (or out) Indigenous heritage. In some ways, that’s a shame, as it’s sad to think how many people out there likely have Indigenous ancestors they know nothing about, and are therefore unable to honour. But I can also understand why Native/Indigenous populations are reluctant to submit their DNA to these kinds of databases given the history of mistreatment and racism at the hands of authorities.
I’m interested in your “there aren’t a lot of us giving DNA” statement. Is there a particular reason why? I won’t either because I don’t trust the confidentiality around it.
I’m not the comment OP but I’ve worked adjacent to bioethics research in the past, can vouch that there is limited data compared to other genetic groups. [This article](https://www.genome.gov/news/news-release/DNA-tests-stand-on-shaky-ground-to-define-Native-American-identity) includes some of the relevant points, key elements including: “concern regarding how the DTC ancestry companies are including Native American heritage in their algorithm, despite limited data” and “many Native Americans are reluctant to participate because of a history of genetic research undermining their trust.”
Justified trust issues aside, my guess is they know exactly where they came from, so the mystery isn't there. If you're born on an Ojibwe reservation, chances are super high you're Ojibwe with only a few, marginal surprises.
Not sexually assaulted, an abortion by someone would leave vaginal trauma from the procedure. Especially if it was botched. There would be damage to her cervix etc
I was wondering the same thing, if it was a botched abortion that caused the hemorrhaging I would think it would be fairly easy to tell during the autopsy. The fact that nothing points that way makes me lean toward a spontaneous abortion or one that was induced herbally/pharmaceutically
I’d be surprised if a first trimester miscarriage would end up in death. Many early pregnancies miscarry, it’s why people advise against announcing a pregnancy until the second trimester.
I hope she gets her name back. I think it’s wonderful that a couple paid for her burial and strangers attended.
The vast majority wouldn’t for sure, but it could have been connected to some underlying issue like a clotting disorder or blood thinning as an effect of a medication. I did forget that she was that early in pregnancy though, that definitely makes me lean towards intentional abortion.
Whichever scenario led to her losing her life is so sad, she should have been able to receive proper medical care, either for the abortion itself or for the hemorrhaging afterwards. It wasn’t technically illegal, but something (or someone) barred her from accessing regardless.
It would be rare, but not impossible without medical care. Retained placenta from a spontaneous abortion can cause all kinds of issues, including heavy bleeding.
Yupp. And I had a hemorrhage without miscarrying. I was carrying twins. Luckily the tear healed naturally after some time. I lost one of my twins later but not due to the hemorrhage
I was pregnant with twins, miscarried one at around 6/7 weeks mark and was told at the hospital they'd not do a d&c because it was so early on. I didn't know it was twins at the time, only knew it later when I found my son was still in there, doing his thing at 19 weeks. My uterus still behaved as it was lodging twins (kid was in the back, empty space in the front) and he was born prematurely as twins usually are. When I was pregnant with my 3rd last year, 14 years later, my obgyn told me I had 3 scars in my uterus (first kid and his twin and second kid). So in spite of the miscarriage being so early, its placenta still left a mark in there.
It sounds weird that there wouldn’t be signs of an abortion. Did her blood tests indicate she was pregnant? My aunt had hemorrhaging when she was lifting things and actually had to have a hysterectomy. I don’t think she was pregnant at the time. Could this woman have had an abortion that seemed successful but brought on hemorrhaging for some reason? Did a doctor possibly mess up? Again you would think there would be a sign of that.
I remember choosing methotrexate and misoprostol I think for an abortion. It took longer with the methotrexate but I think it had been tried longer in 2005 or 06. The Mifepristone was newer than and there had been some hemorrhages. I would think the pregnancy hormones would still show up. I don’t know if an ovary could rupture. She could have miscarried she could have had something happen and died on her way to the doctors or hospital.
A lot depends on the precision of the autopsy and if she died because of a uterine or vaginal hemorrhage. Most botched abortions caused uterine bleeds when they punctured the uterus. My suspicion is that the "provider" dumped her. NB: When I was in junior high in the 70s, I had a teenage friend who got an illegal abortion from someone using a hanger. That kind of bleed can go septic quickly too.
Thank you OP for sharing this story and drawing attention to the tragic case of this Doe, may she rest in peace. This is one of the more horrifying causes of death I’ve come across on this sub… what a painful and horrific way to go. It’s curious that somebody dumped her, but seemingly made no effort to hide the body. The way she was discarded so callously suggests to me it wasn’t loved ones who left her, as you would think they would take more care. If it wasn’t the ‘provider’ of the botched procedure who dumped the body, one can deduce the family member/s or partner who did it was abusive and didn’t have much regard for her life.
I know all of the cases on this sub are heartbreaking, but the details here are really affecting. The writing on the gravestone too, it's touching the way people can care so deeply for a stranger. I hope this Doe gets her name back soon.
I was struck by the stone as well. What a beautiful phrase, what a beautiful act of kindness. I hope one day it can be updated with her real name.
It is, it's very moving and geniuine. If it's possible, I like to include details like these, of someone funding a headstone for a Doe, or how impacted someone was by finding the Doe or just hearing about their case. I think that it's very humanizing and shows how much a situation like this can impact many or even one life for so long, how these cases aren't suspended in some other reality but have a very tangible influence on everyone involved. I hope that she will get her name soon too. I think that there are high chances for it if enough attention will be drawn to the case and enough funds will be gathered. I'm sure that her loved ones will be able to find some comfort in how kind so many strangers were to Jane, even though they had no idea who she was.
I do wonder if they're already performing genealogy on her and are being slowed down by a lack of close matches. IIRC, the DNA Doe Project has been chipping away at the identity of Ventura County Jane Doe (another Hispanic/Native woman) for the better part of five years now
It's possible. Yeah, Hispanic and Native Does are pretty famously often difficult to research due to pulling from a lot of smaller DNA groups and these groups often having little representation in databases 😔
I think you could make a case she was left to be found because someone cared, but for whatever reasons couldn’t come forward. But odds are like you said, nefarious. Sad either way
Yea I don’t think OP understands how difficult it could be to get an abortion even in 2006. Or how scared women can be (depending on the situation) about anyone finding out they’re pregnant or having an abortion. Plus it’s expensive as fuck, if you’re already in a bad situation. $600 I think when I had to help a friend get one in 2007. Plus transportation to the city and a hotel for the waiting period. And she just got sent home with pills. At least if something went wrong she had enough support that we would have taken her to the ER. But not everyone has that.
Yes. There are so many reasons a woman might have to resort to a back-alley abortion, even in places where abortion is legal. Lack of funds being the most obvious.
I don't know about this one. They say she was in a seated position, which means rigor likely set in before the person found her and disposed of her body. Hence why in a seated position.
Im picturing her found on a bathroom floor where she went as she felt weak/faint, and bled out and died there. Tragic.
Yeah, the way she was posed is very interesting to me, because on one hand someone has clearly dumped her body after she died which we know due to the drag marks, but on the other that person(s) really did nothing to conceal her body, which would imply that they did indeed wanted someone to see her sooner or later. Maybe they didn't have any negative feelings towards her personally, maybe even felt sorry for her, and they just didn't want to be connected to her death? Still bad, but at least it shows some small level of care and humanization.
It could be that she passed while at home, and her family (who could have been illegal immigrants, or even a secret marriage/affair) didn’t want her death to draw attention
I wonder if she was part of a group who were here illegally, had a miscarriage or botched abortion and died, and one of the people she was with abandoned her body rather than having to call the police, which would have put them in danger of deportation.
>a group who were here illegally, Was immigration a hot topic in 2006? I don't ever really remember anybody panicking over undocumented immigrants until the past decade or so.
Yes, it was still very much an issue during the Bush administration.
Oh yes, very very much so. Blaming immigrants for social ills has been a thing basically as long as immigrants have been a thing. It was especially brutal in the years immediately after 9/11, but it goes way back beyond then. And even at times when it wasn't as prominent a political talking point, actual undocumented migrants have always been at risk of deportation if they come to the attention of the wrong people. We actually don't care about someone's immigration status at the ER (or what drugs they're using, except for medical reasons), we are legally required to provide emergency care no matter who you are and immigration status (if it is collected information at all, which it generally isn't) in combination with any personally identifying information is covered by HIPAA. Hospitals are not in the business of immigration policy enforcement. But not everyone knows or trusts that, with sometimes tragic consequences.
Out of curiosity as a non-american, so I'm sorry for any ignorance- this hypotetical person would still have to pay their medical bill?
In *theory*, yes. Federal law requires hospitals to provide an evaluation and stabilizing care to anyone presenting with an emergency complaint, but they don't have to do it for free. But they can't delay treatment for payment- everybody gets triaged and in the ER and treated in order of severity. Generally a registrar makes rounds through the ER and collects insurance or payment info for anyone who didn't have time to provide it before being seen, but that might not be till after a great deal of care has been provided. If the patients answer at that point is "I don't have ID or insurance and/or I can't pay upfront", they still continue to get stabilizing care. The hospital will attempt to bill them later. Obviously, many people who are unable to pay simply ignore these attempts forever. Many hospitals will also offer large cash discounts upfront or settle past debts for lower amounts because they are aware of the high rate of default. Undocumented migrants who would meet all the eligibility requirements for emergency Medicaid (a state-administered insurance program for the impoverished) except for their immigration status are still eligible, and generally this includes coverage for emergency labor and delivery or an acute emergency like hemorrhage. So while it's a terrible, illogical, inhumane system that produces obscene long-term outcomes in many cases (like crushing medical debt and needlessly delayed treatment when people hesitate to seek care), anybody in the US who is experiencing an acute medical emergency (like hemorrhaging) *is* entitled to treatment regardless of their ability to pay. They may be billed for it after the fact, but "alive and in debt" is better than "debt-free but dead" and they do not face deportation from pursing emergency care because of medical privacy laws. Sadly, not everyone knows this, and consequently some people avoid or delay critical treatment because of their immigration status.
Oh, so you aren’t old enough to remember “that’s how the Muslims were gonna sneak into our country & force Sharia Law on all us freedom loving Americans”?
I should have clarified South American and Hispanic immigrants.
My high school staged a student walkout/march to our local capital building around 2006-07 to protest the Bush administration's immigration policies. Iirc, about 80% of the student body walked out, largely because it was a Latino neighborhood with a high percentage of immigrant students. Latin American immigration was a huge topic in the mid-late 00s.
Good on you guys for being principled + taking action! Very inspiring
haha in like 2005 my hyper republican fundie uncle moved his kids out of arizona because he didn't want them learning spanish and he was scared shitless of the mexicans coming across the border. fear of specifically hispanic immigration has been a thing all the way since we started purposefully demonizing cannabis by calling it by its spanish name - marijuana, to associate mexicans coming across the border with drugs. this was back in the 70s if i recall correctly. sometimes the specific group we're afraid of immigrating here shifts, for awhile it was catholics (think the mass lynching of italian men), muslims (or anyone vaguely arabic) after 9/11, etc., but sadly the fear and disdain of hispanic immigration has been a mainstay for awhile now.
Way to shoehorn your irrelevant willful ignorance into this post… https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/number-people-terror-watchlist-stopped-mexico-us-border-risen-rcna105095
Did you read that article or just the title? “A DHS official told reporters that the increase from fiscal 2022 to 2023 is consistent with the overall increase in migrants crossing the border and the rising number of migrants coming from areas of conflict.” “Those on the watchlist include people who may be family members of suspected terrorists; their crossings make up just 0.01% of the more than 1 million crossings of the southern U.S. border in the last fiscal year, another DHS official said.” So it’s not increasing compared to number of crossings and the watchlist (about 2 million people) isn’t even all suspected terrorists. Some of them are falsely flagged for having similar names. The list includes thousands of American citizens btw since you’re so concerned.
Not sure how you manage to ignore the entire article and the facts it presents…your pull out quotes don’t support your denial the issue exists.
You asked if Immigration was a hot topic in 2006, because you don’t remember it being an issue before 2014. And I’m telling you that it’s very much been a favorite topic for conservatives since I he 80’s, especially whenever ‘Abortion’ becomes too 3rd Rail. No one is insulting you for not being born earlier. My dad remembers shit about Vietnam that I wasn’t around for. That’s how life works.
Even if it wasn’t as much of a whole social outrage thing, we still had immigration laws back then and those laws would be enforced sometimes which would result in deportation. I grew up with a lot of kids who themselves were undocumented or their parents were. A lot of these kids parents didn’t drive out of fear of having an accident or something, and getting deported. I have to imagine that people would have avoided medical care for that reason especially if it involved illegal activity (like a back alley abortion) or even the implication of illegal activity. 1.8 million people were deported during the Clinton administration and 2 million during the Bush administration. That’s compared with 3.2 million during the Obama administration. Only around 1 million got deported during Trump’s single term, so that barely an increase over the deportation rate in the 90s.
If she is Native, it will be hard to do DNA because there aren’t a lot of us giving DNA.
Yeah, this is an issue with Ancestry-style DNA tests for Indigenous populations in Australia too. It’s not considered a very valid or reliable method of ruling in (or out) Indigenous heritage. In some ways, that’s a shame, as it’s sad to think how many people out there likely have Indigenous ancestors they know nothing about, and are therefore unable to honour. But I can also understand why Native/Indigenous populations are reluctant to submit their DNA to these kinds of databases given the history of mistreatment and racism at the hands of authorities.
I’m interested in your “there aren’t a lot of us giving DNA” statement. Is there a particular reason why? I won’t either because I don’t trust the confidentiality around it.
I’m not the comment OP but I’ve worked adjacent to bioethics research in the past, can vouch that there is limited data compared to other genetic groups. [This article](https://www.genome.gov/news/news-release/DNA-tests-stand-on-shaky-ground-to-define-Native-American-identity) includes some of the relevant points, key elements including: “concern regarding how the DTC ancestry companies are including Native American heritage in their algorithm, despite limited data” and “many Native Americans are reluctant to participate because of a history of genetic research undermining their trust.”
Justified trust issues aside, my guess is they know exactly where they came from, so the mystery isn't there. If you're born on an Ojibwe reservation, chances are super high you're Ojibwe with only a few, marginal surprises.
If you're living in poverty, which NA are disproportionately subject to, a DNA test that costs $100 is a bit much for the fun of it.
I mean, given this country's track record, can you blame them?
People can hemorrhage when they miscarry. Was there signs of vaginal trauma?
None that I could find. It's stated that she wasn't sexually assaulted if that's what you're asking about.
Not sexually assaulted, an abortion by someone would leave vaginal trauma from the procedure. Especially if it was botched. There would be damage to her cervix etc
I was wondering the same thing, if it was a botched abortion that caused the hemorrhaging I would think it would be fairly easy to tell during the autopsy. The fact that nothing points that way makes me lean toward a spontaneous abortion or one that was induced herbally/pharmaceutically
I’d be surprised if a first trimester miscarriage would end up in death. Many early pregnancies miscarry, it’s why people advise against announcing a pregnancy until the second trimester. I hope she gets her name back. I think it’s wonderful that a couple paid for her burial and strangers attended.
The vast majority wouldn’t for sure, but it could have been connected to some underlying issue like a clotting disorder or blood thinning as an effect of a medication. I did forget that she was that early in pregnancy though, that definitely makes me lean towards intentional abortion. Whichever scenario led to her losing her life is so sad, she should have been able to receive proper medical care, either for the abortion itself or for the hemorrhaging afterwards. It wasn’t technically illegal, but something (or someone) barred her from accessing regardless.
I had to get a blood transfusion after a first-trimester miscarriage…it’s definitely possible.
It would be rare, but not impossible without medical care. Retained placenta from a spontaneous abortion can cause all kinds of issues, including heavy bleeding.
>one that was induced herbally/pharmaceutically If it was purposefully induced and she died, it would still be considered botched.
Yes, but that might not show the same markings as some one using, let's say, a coat hanger.
I was trying to avoid saying coat hanger 🫣 it’s crazy that people really used those! I can’t imagine. And some people were ok after to boot somehow.
Welp, here is your reminder to VOTE!
I meant botched surgical abortions specifically
Yes. Exactly! I had an abortion in my 20s and it left scar tissue. Every time I had a smear test I was told about the scar tissue.
Yupp. And I had a hemorrhage without miscarrying. I was carrying twins. Luckily the tear healed naturally after some time. I lost one of my twins later but not due to the hemorrhage
I was pregnant with twins, miscarried one at around 6/7 weeks mark and was told at the hospital they'd not do a d&c because it was so early on. I didn't know it was twins at the time, only knew it later when I found my son was still in there, doing his thing at 19 weeks. My uterus still behaved as it was lodging twins (kid was in the back, empty space in the front) and he was born prematurely as twins usually are. When I was pregnant with my 3rd last year, 14 years later, my obgyn told me I had 3 scars in my uterus (first kid and his twin and second kid). So in spite of the miscarriage being so early, its placenta still left a mark in there.
It sounds weird that there wouldn’t be signs of an abortion. Did her blood tests indicate she was pregnant? My aunt had hemorrhaging when she was lifting things and actually had to have a hysterectomy. I don’t think she was pregnant at the time. Could this woman have had an abortion that seemed successful but brought on hemorrhaging for some reason? Did a doctor possibly mess up? Again you would think there would be a sign of that.
First trimester could just as easily be a bad reaction to the abortion pills at home and not a doctor doing any thing.
I remember choosing methotrexate and misoprostol I think for an abortion. It took longer with the methotrexate but I think it had been tried longer in 2005 or 06. The Mifepristone was newer than and there had been some hemorrhages. I would think the pregnancy hormones would still show up. I don’t know if an ovary could rupture. She could have miscarried she could have had something happen and died on her way to the doctors or hospital.
A lot depends on the precision of the autopsy and if she died because of a uterine or vaginal hemorrhage. Most botched abortions caused uterine bleeds when they punctured the uterus. My suspicion is that the "provider" dumped her. NB: When I was in junior high in the 70s, I had a teenage friend who got an illegal abortion from someone using a hanger. That kind of bleed can go septic quickly too.
Thank you OP for sharing this story and drawing attention to the tragic case of this Doe, may she rest in peace. This is one of the more horrifying causes of death I’ve come across on this sub… what a painful and horrific way to go. It’s curious that somebody dumped her, but seemingly made no effort to hide the body. The way she was discarded so callously suggests to me it wasn’t loved ones who left her, as you would think they would take more care. If it wasn’t the ‘provider’ of the botched procedure who dumped the body, one can deduce the family member/s or partner who did it was abusive and didn’t have much regard for her life.
This one hit me hard…I’ve been to that cemetery & currently live in Oklahoma. It’s really touching that someone funded a marker for her, too.
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