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cybercuzco

Brain says its the bestest brain ever


RaeLynn13

I am the GREETEST


Purple10tacle

Now, I am leaving Earth for no RAISIN! Muahahahaha...


malogan82

Now he's trapped in a book I wrote--a crummy world of plot holes and spelling errors.


Maximum-Ad8285

r/expectedfuturama


TMMC39

The amount of times i still exclaim "For no raisin!" Is ridiculous. I don't think anyone ever knows what i am talking about.


BloodyRightNostril

Hey brainy, think fast!


jedimindtriks

r/unexpectedfuturama/


leecox0

This, this is why I love Reddit


yolotheunwisewolf

Why who do you think wrote this article? A BRAIN?!?


Tirith

Big Brain Propaganda


froginbog

That’s just ur big brain talking


considerthis8

Brain loves other brains


mindful_marduk

I heard this in the voice of Brain from Lil Dicky’s track “pillow talking” https://youtu.be/NWWeQlXfSa0?si=8uWK0fFJTAyRmRW7


icanhearmyhairgrowin

Bitch don’t know bout Pangea?


Upstairs-Extension-9

Fun fact: the brain is the only organ that named itself!


Humblebee89

Brain gotta poop


Kilovice

T minus 5 ‘til the brain gotta shit!


Cryptolution

I'm learning to play the guitar.


Substantial_Motor_87

More room to store memes


gouzenexogea

[like this?](https://imgflip.com/i/8l20kl)


BlueGlassDrink

OMG, exactly like this one.


fanau

Right? Don’t get me started. I still don’t get what others get from memes. So this is how you are feeling expressed as some nifty animation etc? I feel so much more in touch with the universe now. Thank you.


Blackdragon1221

Communication is an attempt to share thoughts or feelings to others. You can convey these with body language, words, a painting, etc. Some people express those thoughts or feelings as memes. Since humans are very social animals the memes are often a kind of 'shared knowledge' thus they can be likened to an in-joke. If you've ever referenced a joke from a TV show to a friend, could you not see a similarity there? Not suggesting that it is some highly intellectual pursuit, or that you personally need to appreciate them. I'm suggesting that it is as 'meaningful' as the level on which it allows you to connect with another person.


fanau

Well said. And you were so nice about it. Certainly nicer than my holier than thou comment. So rare on Reddit. Thanks. Memes must do something for many. But yeah I’m not one off the those many I guess.


Blackdragon1221

Thanks for the compliments friend. :)


glorypron

I am tempted to respond with a meme


Dekar173

Do you not comprehend Humor?


jakroois

[https://i.imgur.com/38QHLAM.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/38QHLAM.jpeg)


fanau

Yea human brains have expanded by 6.6 percent - I had to read it twice because I was sure it must say shrunk.


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MinidonutsOfDoom

Maybe, overall nutrition and food access has improved massively within the last century. With that and better medicine like vaccinations especially early on means people are a LOT healthier overall which has a large impact on the growth and development of children and adults.


MatureUsername69

I wonder how much fever reducers have done. High fevers do a number on your brain and used to be way more prevalent because of lack of medicine


lolofaf

Fun fact: bees defend themselves from wasps by swarming them then creating enough heat to raise the temperature high enough for the wasp to die. The bees are able to survive only about 1degree (f) more than the wasp, so it's right on the edge of death for them, but the wasp dies first and the bees then stop and survive! Fevers are basically the human body's way of doing the same thing: it says "I can survive for awhile at this temperature but the virus won't be able to" so it heats itself up to play a game of who dies first with the virus. This tends to be incredibly effective - in fact, many doctors reccomend to NOT take fever reducers for mild fevers because they can be more effective than modern medicine.


FartyPants69

Can confirm, I watched a SNL sketch about a fever once, and the only prescription was MORE COWBELL


VAtoSCHokie

Pretty sure that is only 1 type of bee that can defend like that against a wasp, not all bees can do that.


TooStrangeForWeird

Iirc there're three species that can/have been observed to do it, but that's a very small percentage.


ASpaceOstrich

Though if you're old, don't play that game of chicken. Brain damage from fever ain't fun.


DuckyDoodleDandy

That a very dangerous thing to say. There are few downsides to taking a fever reducer, but the downside to NOT taking one could be brain damage.


DonkeyTron42

South Korean men are on average 5" taller than North Korean men so these factors definitely play a role.


N0vawolf

Height is largely based on nutrition (apart from genetics). Take a look at South Korea for example. Their rapid urbanization coincided with an explosion in height and musculature of the population. Just look up a picture of a north Korean soldier next to a South Korean one and the difference is nuts. I'd be willing to be that the nutrition also plays a role in the brain size increase, so youre likely not far off


considerthis8

Eat your veggies kids


zer1223

I had so many different veggies as a kid and still skipped my growth spurt some how, and ended up 5'7 at the end of the day. Like literally my growth chart from my pediatrician didn't have a dramatic spike anywhere. I was fuckin cheated


asianumba1

Probably that and less lead poisoning


SirGaylordSteambath

![gif](giphy|u99fFT1YBzyco)


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friso1100

Yeah that is going to be a fun one: [A new study investigates the impact of microplastics in the brain](https://ryaninstitute.uri.edu/microplastics/#:~:text=Brain%20scans%20in%20young%20and,may%20contribute%20to%20brain%20disease.) :(


tidbitsmisfit

I donate blood to remove the plastics


WeinMe

mmhh I do love me some of that tissue without lead


maniacreturns

Big brained babies used to die and kill the mom in child birth before modern medicine?


hekatonkhairez

Unironically all those C-section babies might be driving the average up


Naprisun

They are. I’m guessing it’s the primary reason. Some researchers are predicting that in the future all deliveries will be c section because mothers who would have died in childbirth from any size baby naturally are passing on their genes in combination with babies who would have been too big to be birthed also surviving.


ASpaceOstrich

I've been worried about this. In theory it's not actually an issue but in the event of like, apocalyptic level tech reduction it may very well be that we go extinct because we've lost the ability to naturally give birth. Apparently the position we have mothers in during the process makes it even worse but it helps midwives so it's still done.


friso1100

Very possible. A similar result is seen when comparing average female and male brain size. Technically the male brain is bigger on average. But if you control for size that difference dissappears. Also size isn't necessary linked with greater intelligence. Otherwise wales would be the smartest creature on earth by far. Though this study also showed an even higher growth in cortical surface area and other brain structures. So that probably isn't explained solely by body size.


_Gesterr

I mean whales are incredibly intelligent and I wouldn't even be surprised if they actually match our own intelligence but simply can't express it the same us as as they didn't evolve limbs to manipulate their environments and make tools.


futureblot

From what I've read you're probably on the mark


PurelyLurking20

The iq of humanity is actually increasing rather rapidly. Might not seem like it, but easy access to diverse nutrition does wild things to the body. It's hard to say whether that increase is due to brain mass increase or just far better education though.


ScaldingHotSoup

This is interesting, because cranial capacity is actually down from where it was 10,000 years ago!


ElkHistorical9106

Probably a reversal of evolutionary pressure caused by maternal mortality. Now “bigger brain, more successful” works a bit better due to Caesarian section births.


octopusboots

I also read it twice and am totally confounded by the claim "Over the course of human biology—measured in millions of years—" We have not been humans for more than 200,000 years. So was this article written by AI who just showed it's butt or am I missing something?


stuffitystuff

It depends on whether or not you consider other members of the genus *Homo* (Latin: human) that existed before anatomically modern humans (*Homo sapiens*), humans. The genus started with *Homo habilis* just under 3 million years ago. The scientific establishment considers these earlier members of the genus to be humans so I think that's probably where the article is coming from.


octopusboots

Good answer, thank you.


stevedorries

All members of the genus homo are referred to as humans in many scientific contexts. There are also a not insignificant amount of paleontologists who argue that all human species that are direct descendants of H Erectus are just subspecies, meaning we would be H Erectus Sapiens not H Sapiens. I find that compelling given the shear quantity of DNA from other human species that is floating around in our genomes 


LetsTryAnal_ogy

Increase is probably the addition of microplastics.


cutelyaware

I'm 40% microplastics


cloudy17

Bite my shiny plastic ass


sleepytipi

Rookie numbers.


plsobeytrafficlights

someday, people may live much longer and wonder why we were ever so against microplastics.


cutelyaware

Once people can live 1,000 years, they'll wonder why we risked even going outside


SadArchon

Im sure there is an epigenetic effect from the presence of them in our systems


saveourplanetrecycle

Wonder why


thrawtes

>UC Davis’s Charles DeCarli, first author of the study, said in a press statement. “Genetics plays a major role in determining brain size, but our findings indicate external influences—such as health, social, cultural and educational factors—may also play a role.” My first guess would be that more people than ever have access to a ton of calories during their formative years, but I haven't read the study.


gogorath

I think this has to be it. We’re so much more well fed than prior generations.


Alklazaris

It's all bloat ware.


Bos_lost_ton

![gif](giphy|4qIGpUylyxV4I) For me, it’s all just vaporware


jawshoeaw

When my daughter was born the doctor was concerned her head was too large. Like hydrocephalus large. But they decided it was ok. Fast forward about 2 months and pediatrician looked even more concerned. Then she gives me the stink eye. Runs back to her office and returns with a book that has charts for kids up to 18 years old. Then she measures my head ! And she starts laughing because I was literally off the chart. Off the page. Explains why I can’t ever find a hat that fits.


homelaberator

>Explains why I can’t ever find a hat that fits. Same. One size fits all? What a crock of shit.


WarOnThePoor

Story of my fucking life. I’m 6’3” with a 32” waist so it’s very hard to find clothes that fit properly as well.


Maschinenpflege

Mine is not small at 59. My wife's is rather big at 61 due to a genetic disorder. Now I really wonder what yours is!


fanau

Love this story! Upvoting this is a, uh, no brainer.


Coca-colonization

Had the same experience. We were at the point where they wanted to do an MRI on my son. I had pointed out my head was kinda big and the doctor finally decided to see if that was relevant. Kinda was a serious understatement.


cccccchicks

Yep, the doctors were seriously worried that my sibling was going to be born with a serious birth defect because of how big the head was compared to the level of development of the fetus. My mother asked them to please re-do the their analysis with her estimated date of conception instead, and surprise! developement is back within normal parameters. (I too struggle to find hats that fit - my head is oddly round compared to hats)


That_Shrub

Your poor wife and/or vagina


fanau

Same thought occurred. There would be a story for friends and family. “My son was born with a head size in the 98th percentile. But luckily my wife’s vagina size is off the charts, which I had often suspected but never confirmed.”


DarthRathikus

Are our skulls growing too?? Tell me please before I have a meltdown


Peto_Sapientia

I don't know. I've seen some pretty big head of people out there. Course they don't seem to be any smarter than anybody else. 😆


[deleted]

those heads are full of hot air


cutelyaware

Big people aren't smarter than small people, so don't worry about it


CASHD3VIL

Probably, it’s all due to nutrition and nutrition grows everything


aesche

When I was in Korea I heard people talk about how they had put growth hormones in the water as part of the war whatever with the north but I really feel like on top of hearing it was a myth that it really seemed dietary. Food is ridiculously plentiful in South Korea now but my grandpa who was in the Korean war describes the opposite conditions at the time not even a lifetime ago. So I left after a couple years really feeling like the reason there were a lot of tall young guys and tiny older people was everything to do with nutrition access.


gamageeknerd

As someone with no idea about life post Korean War I’d assume access to more food in the 60’s and 70’s made their average height explode thanks to american influence and access to global food markets. Same thing happened to my family when they went from dirt poor farmers and laborers in the 1930’s to better paying skills and trades then the average height exploded. Suddenly kids were taller than parents at 15 and grandkids were as tall as their grandparents. I basically look like someone made a 2X scale of my grandpa who famously ate 1 meal a day growing up as a fruit picker.


Spire_Citron

What if we end up like those little dogs that are head empty all of the time because their brains don't fit in their little pear heads?


endmylifefam_

There's less than 7mm of space between the brain and skull (about the length of a grain of rice). When the brain swells up enough, it can restrict bloodflow to valuable tissue and cause you to die if not immediately treated


CodeSiren

Skulls consist of multiple bones and don't fuse together until late age. Your born with 300 bones, but as you grow many fuse together via growth plates. Adults have 206 bones around age 30-35. Old people, over 60 have skulls that are smooth and look like one bone. Less than that there are cracks between the plates that can accommodate growth.


Nellasofdoriath

C-sections?


sherilaugh

That would be my guess. Big heads aren’t darwining themselves out of the gene pool anymore.


delta_wolfe

Oh gosh I fear for the future women attempting to birth these basketball heads


lemons_of_doubt

Don't worry, if everyone gets smarter as their brains get bigger, they will build a world with free healthcare and C-sections for all! Unless the corporations win then just for all the people that matter.


handtoglandwombat

Yeah unfortunately intelligence is determined by brain wrinkliness not brain size. Or at least that’s what Reddit told my smooth-brained self lol


GirlOutWest

Stress causes wrinkles on my skin, does that mean it causes wrinkles in my brain? /s


Nemeszlekmeg

Or we get to grow in vitro like little mushrooms :)


jawshoeaw

I’ve been to many deliveries and skull plates overlap significantly it’s crazy what babies will do to get out alive


fanau

Skull plates? Elaborate? You’ve intrigued me.


rakeyjake

Babies skulls aren’t fused together like adults and are instead a series of skull plates that will fuse at a later date. This is so that they can slide over each other during delivery and expand due to rapid weight growth. Babies heads literally squish during vaginal delivery and the plates allow them to survive this.


NONcomD

Babies skull is flexible, as it's not hard yet. So when a baby goes out, it's head is more like a sausage than a round ball.


cmcewen

I suspect nutrition and public health initiatives. Height goes way up as nutrition is improved. I suspect brain size does also.


Spire_Citron

Yeah. If the average is up by 6.6%, the small percentage of people who would have died if not for C-sections would have to have truly massive brains to move the average by that much all on their own. We haven't been doing C-sections (commonly) for long enough for it to have any significant impact on the overall genepool.


homelaberator

Especially when you consider the early cohorts were born in the 30s and 40s, when times were a bit harder, and ends in the 70s. Not sure if the caesarean rate increased massively or not from the 30s to the 70s.


LTQLD

No. Most births are still the old fashioned way. There is no evidence for this which has been popular in recent weeks in social media. Nutrition, hygiene, disease control likely factors.


Spire_Citron

Yeah. Elon cited that for an increase in intelligence, but he's notorious for liking to ignore environmental factors in intelligence because he desperately doesn't want to acknowledge his own privilege.


Spire_Citron

Not enough time for that to actually impact the genetics of the population, so unless there are a lot of people with significantly larger brains who only survived because they were born by C-section who are pushing up the average, I doubt it. It's more likely to just be a result of better nutrition and general health.


davery67

Not a bad theory. Be interesting to have some numbers to go with it.


Stronsky

Would have to separate it from other likely factors - improved nutrition & medicine, less lead in the air, fewer pregnant mothers drinking alcohol, fewer children exposed to 2nd hand cigarette smoke, reductions in underage drinking. There's a bunch of trends that happened in the same time period, would be hard to know which factors matter more than others - you'd think it must be a cumulation of all of them.


Nellasofdoriath

I still haven't seen bigger brain= smarter


YoungLadHuckleberry

I mean, babies‘ heads don’t really get permanently dented during birth, they consist of like 60% cartilage


Evangelynn

Seriously! My son was in the 99th percentile for headsize when he was born, it was a natural birth (took 54 hours, sorry not sorry kid, you aren't getting a sibling!) and his head looked like the Coneheads for a few days! Once it rounded out, it was hilarious and slightly unnerving to realize he needed adult sized hats and caps, and when he was 2 it was soo hard to find goggles that fit his little eyes and nose, but had a strap big enough for an adults head lol


Mars_Stanton

Ah yes, that’s all the micro plastics and PFAS wedged in between the folds.


GlorytoGlorzo

![gif](giphy|D0RvPABUNF3AQ)


weakhamstrings

That sounds tongue in cheek but as far as we know the body has no good way of being rid of them. I forget who but there's a guy who calls them Obesigens, things that are just adding mass and endocrine disruptors to us at an every increasing rate, with no end in sight.


ScienceWillSaveMe

It’s naht a toomuh


ale_93113

Human brains have decreased by a lot in the previous 10k years, we don't know why, but it is probably (most likely hypothesis) due to our diets becoming MUCH easier to digest after the agricultural revolution I wonder if food could have something to do with this increase It may also have to do a lot with safety, as there are MANY things that prevent brain growth, such as lead, aswell as humans getting taller which Require a larger brain, the better our diet the taller we become, the larger the brain needs to be, and the less toxic ingest the better it can develop Even in the poorest countries of the world, the current diet and chemical safety are much better than what the wealthiest people had in the 1900s


stingray85

What is the supposed link between an easier to digest diet post agricultural revolution and decreased brain size?


repodude

If there was ever any doubt that there was no connection between brain size and intelligence then there shouldn't be now!


platistocrates

Depends what you fill the brains with. Garbage in garbage out, like any other piece of computing technology.


synthesize_me

I'm a computer


Gh0st36

sToP aLL tHe DoWnLoAdiNG! https://youtu.be/RH1ekuvSYzE?feature=shared


platistocrates

I thought about it. I am not sure whether this is a joke or if you are an AI. This human welcomes you to the fraternity either way.


TheBeardofGilgamesh

Especially since IQ scores have been decreasing for the last 2 decades it’s called the reverse Flynn effect where IQs were increasing until it peaked in the 90s and had been declining ever since https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a43469569/american-iq-scores-decline-reverse-flynn-effect/


Hamlet1305

Check out the big brain on Brad!


Nwcray

That’s right, you a smart mothafucka ![gif](giphy|e5BASCeekXYoo)


guruglue

And yet...


Aphrozen

Too bad a lot of us don’t use them


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

The autonomic systems keeping people breathing are doing their part if nothing else.


MrPuzzleMan

Bigger brains but fewer folds


dumbestsmartest

Smooth.


MrPuzzleMan

Exactly 


KiriDomo

And yet I'm so dumb. Dumb little guy.


MrFanciful

After working in a U.K. school (private) I can categorically state that an increase in brain size is not positively correlated with increased intelligence.


Arithik

Do they count all the plastic?


MJF1116

Probably the nutrition 


Blueswift82

Scrolling the internet, this is the only thing I read tonight that makes me believe it.


P0pu1arBr0ws3r

I've never actually seen what a scientifically predicted evolved human would look like. Sci-fi tends just to make people look like people, but I suspect within 500-1000 years there would be noticable differences for those living on earth. Notably, I think larger brains would be part of that; as well as some sort of evolution due to the climate change, like larger lung capacity. And modern technology could also play a role, like with legs getting either shorter or stronger, depending on the region and methods of transportation or common work; and arms might go shorter but fingers longer and stronger because of the emphasis on touchscreen tech. On that same front eyesight might get worse, partly due to bright screens and partly due to climate change and greenhouse gases potentially causing more sunlight exposure. Taste/smell probably would get affected by whatever is being put into foods (like micro plastics) and the atmosphere, to where people might be able to taste certain chemicals and either dislike them if harmful or find them tasteful with the body evolved to digest such safely. I'm not sure about sound or touch. Skin, hair, eye color, and many other genetically defining physical appearance traits would become ever more blended, though if space travel and colonization is established then it's very likely we'll see considerable differences with those who left earth (see The Expanse for a good example), and depending on how things are in the future it could be that in like 5000 years from now a new species of homo sapien could be identified and incompatible (physically/genetically significantly different) with homo sapien sapien.


shreddingsolo

and tastier


asokarch

Yes - it makes a lot of sense. Gain knowledge, integrate consciousness = bigger brain!


Raul_Duke_1755

Mine barely fits tbh...


iggyfenton

Not mine. I read “Human Beings”


plsobeytrafficlights

Volumetrically perhaps, but not functionally; studies have also shown that in 5 out of 6 areas, relative IQ across time has been on a steady decline for the past few decades. (with hand-eye coordination being the exception)


Left-Instruction3885

And smoother.


milchtea

people are also getting taller. I’d be curious how much the changes actually are when you take that into account


Litnorwilliams

Couldn’t be me


HuevosSplash

Maybe AyyLMAO's are evolved us after all.


dj-nek0

Nah, that implies we survive long enough to evolve which we won’t at the rate we’re cooking our planet


[deleted]

Thats not how neurology works. Bigger isn't better. Geniuses aren't smart because they have bigger brains. It's all about how the neurons are wired together. Without further context and research its basically a coin toss if this is good, bad, or neutral. But just assuming bigger brain = better brain is profoundly psuedoscientific.


sdpr

It's because of all the eggs I eat.


Suzina

Hungry zombies have entered the chat


Tortoveno

Brain needs large quantities of energy. Bigger brain need even more energy. More energy, more CO2. This news is not uplifting, folks! /s


JonSnowsPeepee

Probably because all we do all day is sit and take in information. The human lifestyle has changed drastically in the past couple hundred years


enutz777

In the last 75 years we have gone from malnutrition being the leading cause of natural death to excessive caloric intake being the leading cause of natural death.


Queendevildog

Its not good news if people dont use them


homelaberator

White American brains from 1930s to 1970s. Not sure where 75 comes from. Maybe I missed something in the article.


Technicolor_Reindeer

Apparently size doesn't matter.


bafras

“A dearth of non-white participants”.  Where exactly are they getting these disembodied brains?!?


smallballsputin

Sure as shit seems we are getting stupider tho.


urpoviswrong

Gotta make room for the micro plastics


MeatWaterHorizons

Our brains are getting less effecient. Smaller more effecient brains is what we want. the brain consumes the vast majority of the energy we consume. Look back at early hominid brains. They ate more because their brains were bigger and less effecient.


DunningKrugerOnElmSt

It had to make room for the micro-plastics


Tso-su-Mi

By the state of the people & the Planet…. Those brain cells just got fatter… not more of them 😳🙄


Zealousideal_Curve10

Not big enough that this journalist can spell “incredible”


FaceMelter5k

looking at the state of things you wouldn't know it


PapaRyRy

Gotta hold all them memes


AsliReddington

No shit we've had to retain centuries of built up knowledge


datweirdguy1

The ability to speak does not make you intelligent


Gandoneek

Called Inflammation


betweentwoblueclouds

I can think of plenty of people that got the opposite treatment


SquireSquilliam

I mean the brain runs the show, we are the brain. Everything else is just an elaborate mech.


TYGRz9

Really because from my personal studies the percentile usage of the human brain has been reductive in that same period and it only began with 10%


[deleted]

There's a whole meme about it


eq2_lessing

If tall people aren't smarter than small people, what's the point of a bigger brain eli5 pls


briznady

Brain gotta poop still, please don’t neglect the brain


Mighty_ShoePrint

Not mine :(


dirtychinchilla

Gotten. More brain growth needed


Creepy_Taco95

And somehow people are dumber than ever….


curtyshoo

Bigger isn't necessarily better.


Grenflik

Well check out the big brain on…everyone?


digking

With the addictions of TikTok, Shorts, Reels, the human brain will shrink back to square one after another 75 years of micro evolution.


MrBogardus

And yet people seem dumber


db424242

what better nutrition does to a mf


corezay

Bigger doesn't always mean better.


Content-Scallion-591

I like big brains and I cannot lie Those early hominids can't deny Brain volume actually isn't strictly relevant. E.g. people from northern climates have bigger brains from those in southern climates because they have 20% larger visual processing centers. I'd be inclined to wonder if this is compensating for some ongoing complexities of the modern world vs. increases in raw cognition.


Lowfi12010

Bigger isn't always better.


Odd_School_4381

And yet we're filling them with so much useless bullshit


Boricuacookie

"The ***incredibly*** study sheds a light on the resilience of modern minds." /doubt


afoodie92

And yet...


RWDPhotos

Gotta make room for all the new plastics and heavy metals we’re putting in there


kbn_

A lot of this is probably survival bias pulling up the average. Infants with slightly a larger cranium used to invariably die during childbirth (along with the mother) since they wouldn’t be able to fit through the birth canal. For millions of years this has acted as a strong evolutionary counter pressure on the trend toward larger heads (more brain = good) and narrower hips (more efficient walking = also good). But for the past half century or so, cesarean section procedures have had an exceptionally high survival rate (at least in developed countries) for both mother and child. This is bringing up the short term average considerably since larger-headed individuals are now present in the population at a rate which never would have been physically possible in the past, and it’s likely also skewing the long-term evolutionary trend of our species. Also for those confidently asserting that evolution can’t be involved on these timescales, remember that in species with high gene flow (humans!), evolution can act within a generation if the selective pressure is strong enough. Dying or not dying is a hell of a selective pressure, and the lifelong benefits to larger skulls and narrower hips (particularly this one) are quite substantial.


kingnewswiththetruth

Booty's and chi chi's have, doesn't really surprise me.