You have to be kidding me, the fake Rolex production crap to near clone quality is estimated at 10 fold so that's 10 Million folexes that go out there on a yearly basis.
And to add to that- first hand experience. People that own Rolexes, buy duplicate fakes for as high as (I’ve seen) 1500 bucks, to wear out when in public in case they get jacked or lose them drunk. So yeah there’s a lot of fakes out there, hard enough to tell until you take them apart.
Hahaha, people love mental gymnastics. I think they want to flaunt it, without losing it possibly, and can answer that yeah I have a real Rolex. They don’t tell people it’s the fake copy. Until they’re wasted at the end of the night and confessing lol. Then they want you to buy one too. I just don’t wear nice things on sketchy nights out.
I did a quick search and it seems like there are millions upon millions of fake Rolex watches, just in the USA. For the guys claim about 10x more than Rolex, I don’t know about that.
The big issue is that these watches are now so good, it’s very hard to tell the difference. Some, nearly impossible. This is a bad look for Rolex because it shows their watches aren’t special. The finishing is decent and the movement is average at best. Try cloning a Grand Seiko. Would be impossible because the cost and engineering of Spring drive would make it exceptionally difficult. Same goes for Zenith and their high hertz El Primero.
Most people buy Rolex because of its perceived status. People who like watches might own one, but know there are far more compelling and interesting options.
https://usa.watchpro.com/23-million-fake-watches-circulate-us-market/
As someone who just went down the rabbit hole of rep watches (downvote me idc), the same can be said for VC watches. The only watches that can't be replicated well are ones with insanely intricate movements. Even then there are still reps that *look* like them, but just don't function like them.
Think Grand Seiko, IWC perpetual calendars, most moonphase watches, ect.
I ain’t downvoting, you’re speaking the truth. That’s why everyone needs a Grand Seiko. Amazing movement and second to none finishing….for a reasonable price.
But everyone needs that Rolex vindication. Sorry. I’ll just rock this.
https://preview.redd.it/lan767jfbv1d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a163a57c4621f6bdea96d61bee3e2e572b2d1d53
It really is a double edged sword with Rolex. I'm not personally a big fan of the look on most of their models, but because of their popularity they are the best replicated watches out there for quality and closeness to real ones, so I have a couple.
That GS is sexy as fuck and will never be able to be replicated by those factories out of China. Not without having a hefty price tag on them anyways.
Recently met someone who had a IWC Top Gun Lake Tahoe Perpetual Calendar and was floored when I read the specs on them. Didn't even realize there were mechanicals out there with a 7 day reserve, not to mention it'll only have a 1 day deviation every 577 years LOL
Stop promoting GS or we will start paying Rolex prices once the secret is out. Probably my favorite brand. The value is unbeatable. If I want a submariner I’ll buy a Tudor bb58. Actually just did. And my first GS arriving from Japan this week.
Yeah it’s insane what they are able to do, not having to pay for innovation, R&D, marketing, and paying minimum wage and children as labor they can cut cost a lot, furthermore they can cut corners as gaskets and WR, the feel of winding and many other small things, but if you are just looking at them side by side it’s scary how close they come even with the movements, they never quite get the finish of VC/JLC movements quite right, nor do they implement free sprung movements, not because they can’t but because they realize it would make the replica too expensive, but they come scarely close, imagine if they started making reps for 2-3k usd, they could implement WR with high quality gaskets, better finishing, free sprung balance wheels and so on, they would basically have the same product without paying for the R&D,innovation and marketing.
To be fair to Rolex, their lapping polish looks better to the trained eye, the rehaut looks smoother, they use white gold on indices, the clarity of their crystal is way better, on GMTs the bi-colored bezel is smooth on both sides where the colors meet. Furthermore they are sealed and protected and checked to see if they can handle their WR, clones often got almost zero WR rating. The screw down crown is smoother and the winding more buttery. The big thing is the movement, even though replicas may clone the movements, they are never able to achieve the exact finish and also they aren’t free-sprung on the balance wheel like Rolex, nor do they have a silicon hairspring, someone actually showed of a free sprung clone but the clone would end up costing 2K, and thats still with all the issues mentioned besides the movement.
So yes they can look almost identical but they wont withstand the same beating the real one can take, everything can come extremely close but fall just a little short, and the clone movements just arent as sophisticated, but they are impressive for the price. Also I kinda dislike it when people are like “see, haha, Rolex are way overpriced” well.. their workers aren’t getting minimum wage, nor are they children, they also have to put money into innovation and R&D, marketing and so on, + everything I listed above.
That’s the same study I referenced.
There are roughly 12 million fake Rolexes of varying quality in circulation in the US. That’s about 15 or so years worth of production from Rolex who has been making watches for over a century.
Assuming someone is wearing a fake Rolex is more of a judgement on the person than a statistical likelihood based on the number of fake Rolex watches.
I think it’s because the Paul Newman Rolex panda goes for 7 figures in the secondary market and people feel like this is the next best thing.
Kind of like how Patek sports watches went crazy for a while and the Overseas started going for $50k+ on the grey market before coming down to earth.
Isn't that what the VC is? When one cannot get the Daytona, they "settle" on something else and the VC is part of that something else. Or as you'd put it, the "next best thing".
That is so far off it’s astonishing you said that 😆 It goes for 6 figures not 7 !!!! The only way you’ll find a Rolex Paul Newman in the 7 figures is if it’s gold Paul Newman Lemon 🍋 in mint, NOS, Complete set and even then they’re fetching around the $700-850k depending factors . Now if it’s a Gold Tiffany&Co Paul Newman Lemon Dial then yes you’d be paying around $900-1.3M higher side Is for unworn , NOS, Collectors complete set , and especially provenance!
Now SS Paul Newmans go for around the $250-350K range and the SS Tiffany&Co Paul Newman goes for around $450-600K
You are paying for status symbol, and perhaps comfort (let's be honest, daytona has better dimensions), but mostly the former. Very few people outside the watch community have heard of vacheron, but everyone knows Rolex. If you are spending that kind of money, you might as well.
Yeah I’m the exact opposite. I got pancake wrists. I love the way the VC bracelet and dial hugs my wrist
Daytona feels too small, at least for a sports watch
At the smaller size a Daytona feels like it fits on me, I’d go with something dressier or less sporty
VC also isn’t very wearable for most people. I love the overseas (date) but it fits too large and chrono is even larger. Daytona fits almost every wrist.
this is so true. I love the overseas line but it would be SO much better 2mm smaller. I also find the rolex oyster bracelet to be much better looking than the weird VC overseas bracelet.
The Overseas chrono would be great if it was 1-2mm thinner and 1-2 mm less diameter. Right now, it's just too chunky. Daytona on the other hand could be a mm or so larger in diameter for my taste.
It's simple, there isn't much of a evolution or history to the Overseas model. Before they re-released the 222, there was barely any resemblance to the original integrated. If you look at the Porsche 911 or most of Rolex models, PP, AP, there's a clear lineage and evolution of the models.
Imo that is why VC can be had for basically under retail, especially since the Richemont group increased retails by 40% back in June 2023.
If VC makes the overseas 1mm smaller and shorten the lug to lug, you’ll see how hot this market gets again. I love the watch! But it wears slightly too big for me and I’m 6ft 220. The overseas is right on the cusp of perfection, just slightly too big.
Edit: oh, and how does this watch not have hacking?
Daytona is better, I hate to be that guy but the rolex especially the new one you linked is an impressive feat. Save for flyback functionality, it’s not wanting for anything - it’s underpriced if anything.
I agree. I was in the market for one of the two in January. I preferred the Daytonas size much better than the Vacheron. The Vacheron felt chunky and unwearable in most situations. The Daytonas size is amazing, it feels like a 38mm.
The Daytona is not underpriced in the grey market. Perhaps at list but that's debatable. The Vacheron is a much more impressive watch and if you handled both the difference is evident.
Yes I meant the retail price - the discussion is quite different if the retail was at or close to gray.
In any event 5500 is too thick, it’s too wide & L2L is bothersome for most given the integrated lugs & bracelet overhang - the rolex comes in at a great size. The bracelet is a touch less well articulated, the PR is smaller, the waterproofing is inferior & the anti-mag mitigation is prev generation. For me also I much prefer a bridge instead of cock on sports pieces, a balance cock is for dress watches IMO. VC wins on finishing, that’s about it - calibre 5200 isnt even iconic.
I agree Daytona is a ton of watch for the money at retail. Same goes for a lot of Rolex models really. Grey is a totally different story though.
Is the 5520 that thick? I only tried the 4300V and checking the measurements on the VC site I can't imagine the 5520 is thicker than a daytona given how much slimmer the 4300V is in comparison to the Daytona. You may be right on the diameters L2L size though but for me personally it's not an issue but I know a lot of people struggle with Sub41s too due to the size.
I see. I do find that where the thickness is plays a major part too though. I have both a Submariner 41 and a Speedmaster and they're supposedly the same thickness but the speedy wears much much thicker on my wrist. This is mainly due to the reason that the caseback of the sub is where a lot of the thickness lies and if you wear your watch as one should and not like a rapper the caseback will be swallowed by the small cavity in your lower arm and the "bone knuckle" on your arm will keep the watch from falling down on your hand.
Speedy is for high schoolers who just graduated . The market value reflects that. It’s also readily available and way cheaper . It’s also a plastic swatch . Embarrassing
Doesn’t matter. It’s still the quintessential chronograph.
Back in the 60s, NASA actually tested the Daytona against the Speedmaster directly (among numerous others) in determining suitability for the moon mission. The Daytona underperformed.
While I don’t think the Speedy is likely still the most reliable and accurate production chronograph in the world, it is certainly the most iconic.
But yes, the Daytona is certainly the most hyped and widely desired, even if it lacks any major horological significance. I guess I could see why the status-obsessed would confuse the two…
it’s a plastic Swatch now. Zero respect in the watch community. Zero credibility for its owners.
I owned 3 Speedmasters, including a 1963 Ed White straight lug 321, and the modern Daytona just beats the piss out of those Omegas. In the end, Omega competes with Tudor and Seiko. Not sure whey they drag Rolex in the conversation. (Well, we do know why...)
“Back in the 60s” lmao. I can see why idiotic owners of one would clutch onto the past. The reality of current times today is that the Daytona is the most sought after watch in the world.
Omega: Lacks the prestige of Rolex, not a status symbol, ugly bracelets, too many special editions watering down the brand, allowed a plastic Swatch knockoff, easily accessible with a snap of my fingers. Speedmaster is a watch for a 12 year old. A train-wreck. My little nephew just got gifted a speedmaster after finishing school. Enjoy matching watches with a kid 🤣🤣.
It isn’t about the Overseas or Daytona. It’s about the brand.
If you go to your local golf course and ask 100 people what a Vacheron Constantin is, MAYBE 2 will say it’s a watch brand. Ask those same 100 people what a Rolex is and all 100 will say a luxury watch brand. It’s that simple.
Daytona is just beautiful. If you can afford it why not. It’s is your money. VC is great but I would choose a different model. This one is not the best.
Eh, they’re both great watches. Depends what you’re into. If you like boldness, quality, and are mainly out to please yourself, grab the VC. If you want a hype-approved status symbol with bulletproof functionality that’s easy to wear, Daytona.
Have never been that into the Daytona personally. I find them a bit boring to wear. But I certainly wouldn’t look down on someone for wearing one.
Vacheron has its own quirks and reason to hate on it as a result. Their product is amazing, if you care about that sort of thing, many do not as has been mentioned. I myself left it last because I didn’t appreciate the design aesthetic or their mark on quality. I find it the watch that gives me joy - isn’t that the point?
To give everyone a laugh, consider a Breguet. Understated, over engineered, and completely unrecognizable.
Some people as said above, just enjoy the watch for themselves and not other people
When I go out with my overseas or a cool parmigiani fleurieur tonda, I met very few people asking about my watch. When I go out with my explorer II, there are so many going like “omg, is that a ROLEX?”
I've had three people ask me about my Moser in the last week, and the manager at a restaurant last summer gave us a table even though they were sold out BECAUSE he noticed my Overseas and respected the choice over hype watches. More watch nerds out there than you think!
I live in a small city in the south of Italy, think it depends on where you live. Excellent choice with the moser, I LOVE IT. What model if I could ask?
This week was the Streamliner Center Seconds "Smoked Salmon," but I also have a Pioneer Center Seconds MEGACOOL which gets a bunch of comments. Those Moser dials are something.
Because only watch enthusiasts know what a VC even is. Most people, whether the motivation is right or wrong, buy expensive luxury watches like a Rolex to portray that they have wealth. It’s rarely just because they love the watch. There is nothing visually drastically different between a Rolex and seiko diver, but people see a seiko they think cheap and they see Rolex and assume the person is powerful and wealthy (or that it’s fake lol). So buying the Rolex is automatic public recognition, the VC people don’t know
The VC by an absolute mile. If your shopping mid tier chronos that the Daytona operates in, the speedy beats it hands down. The VC is another beast entirely
I think you're overthinking. Most people with Rolex or desire Rolex as a status symbol or milestone purchase and they do not care about what movement, how it is finished and whether the watch has Geneva seal on it. They simply desire to own a nice watch and Rolex happened to market themselves well enough as a luxury watch whereas Vacheron is more of a watch enthusiast brand
Most people don't know what Patek or AP or even JLC are either, all make much better products than Rolex, as do VC. The best of all things could be categorised as "enthusiast". What we see here is the perfect example of hype. Remember Prime drinks?
I think your comparison is off. People know Mercedes and Ferrari. Everyone knows Rolex but if you are not into watches nobody really knows Vacheron. Rolex is like Ferrari. Exclusive and everyone, auto enthusiast or not, is aware of the brand. Vacheron is like the Rimac Nevera. If you are an auto enthusiast you know it, if not you are heading to Google. People might think the Vacheron is great looking but they have no idea it’s part of the “holy trinity” of watches……
I would agree. I gave the Rimac example. Damn thing goes 256 mph….. lol.
Anyway, if I saw the Vacheron I’d love it, but I’m a watch guy. Most people would not know the difference between that and a Tag Heuer. Rolex, just like Ferrari, people would know…..
Rolex grey market pricing is just insane. I know a lot of people who'd rather get a steel daytona than an overseas for the same price. Which is just insanity imo.
Because Rolex is nothing but hype at this point. They are a great brand and quality is on par with MSRP, but grey prices are outrageous. This is also exacerbated by flippers.
Yes. Rolex is a trash hype watch. They could have been great but got greedy and destroyed their image.i wouldn't pay a dollar over retail. Secondary should be 10% under
Because the Daytona is all hype. A lot of people want others to know they’re wearing something expensive.
I’d take the 5500v any day of the week, even with the date window.
It’s simply supply and demand. I bet if and when Rolexes become more available the demand will fall just because now you can get them. When I got my panda Daytona I was underwhelmed.
The Daytona is the biggest hype watch of the biggest hype brand. It’s about a status symbol and making a statement.
Which is funny because when I see a Rolex in the wild I assume it's fake.
In Geneva, you spot the valet parkings because they have Rolex …
Which is pretty stupid to assume considering Rolex sells a million watches per year and there’s no where near as many fakes being made
You have to be kidding me, the fake Rolex production crap to near clone quality is estimated at 10 fold so that's 10 Million folexes that go out there on a yearly basis.
And to add to that- first hand experience. People that own Rolexes, buy duplicate fakes for as high as (I’ve seen) 1500 bucks, to wear out when in public in case they get jacked or lose them drunk. So yeah there’s a lot of fakes out there, hard enough to tell until you take them apart.
Why on earth would you bother with a fake? Why not just buy a different watch in general? Jesus fuck the autism is strong.
Hahaha, people love mental gymnastics. I think they want to flaunt it, without losing it possibly, and can answer that yeah I have a real Rolex. They don’t tell people it’s the fake copy. Until they’re wasted at the end of the night and confessing lol. Then they want you to buy one too. I just don’t wear nice things on sketchy nights out.
People making themselves targets for fake watches.
Because he's full of shit.
How far up your ass did you have to go to pull that number out
I did a quick search and it seems like there are millions upon millions of fake Rolex watches, just in the USA. For the guys claim about 10x more than Rolex, I don’t know about that. The big issue is that these watches are now so good, it’s very hard to tell the difference. Some, nearly impossible. This is a bad look for Rolex because it shows their watches aren’t special. The finishing is decent and the movement is average at best. Try cloning a Grand Seiko. Would be impossible because the cost and engineering of Spring drive would make it exceptionally difficult. Same goes for Zenith and their high hertz El Primero. Most people buy Rolex because of its perceived status. People who like watches might own one, but know there are far more compelling and interesting options. https://usa.watchpro.com/23-million-fake-watches-circulate-us-market/
As someone who just went down the rabbit hole of rep watches (downvote me idc), the same can be said for VC watches. The only watches that can't be replicated well are ones with insanely intricate movements. Even then there are still reps that *look* like them, but just don't function like them. Think Grand Seiko, IWC perpetual calendars, most moonphase watches, ect.
I ain’t downvoting, you’re speaking the truth. That’s why everyone needs a Grand Seiko. Amazing movement and second to none finishing….for a reasonable price. But everyone needs that Rolex vindication. Sorry. I’ll just rock this. https://preview.redd.it/lan767jfbv1d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a163a57c4621f6bdea96d61bee3e2e572b2d1d53
It really is a double edged sword with Rolex. I'm not personally a big fan of the look on most of their models, but because of their popularity they are the best replicated watches out there for quality and closeness to real ones, so I have a couple. That GS is sexy as fuck and will never be able to be replicated by those factories out of China. Not without having a hefty price tag on them anyways. Recently met someone who had a IWC Top Gun Lake Tahoe Perpetual Calendar and was floored when I read the specs on them. Didn't even realize there were mechanicals out there with a 7 day reserve, not to mention it'll only have a 1 day deviation every 577 years LOL
Stop promoting GS or we will start paying Rolex prices once the secret is out. Probably my favorite brand. The value is unbeatable. If I want a submariner I’ll buy a Tudor bb58. Actually just did. And my first GS arriving from Japan this week.
Yeah it’s insane what they are able to do, not having to pay for innovation, R&D, marketing, and paying minimum wage and children as labor they can cut cost a lot, furthermore they can cut corners as gaskets and WR, the feel of winding and many other small things, but if you are just looking at them side by side it’s scary how close they come even with the movements, they never quite get the finish of VC/JLC movements quite right, nor do they implement free sprung movements, not because they can’t but because they realize it would make the replica too expensive, but they come scarely close, imagine if they started making reps for 2-3k usd, they could implement WR with high quality gaskets, better finishing, free sprung balance wheels and so on, they would basically have the same product without paying for the R&D,innovation and marketing.
To be fair to Rolex, their lapping polish looks better to the trained eye, the rehaut looks smoother, they use white gold on indices, the clarity of their crystal is way better, on GMTs the bi-colored bezel is smooth on both sides where the colors meet. Furthermore they are sealed and protected and checked to see if they can handle their WR, clones often got almost zero WR rating. The screw down crown is smoother and the winding more buttery. The big thing is the movement, even though replicas may clone the movements, they are never able to achieve the exact finish and also they aren’t free-sprung on the balance wheel like Rolex, nor do they have a silicon hairspring, someone actually showed of a free sprung clone but the clone would end up costing 2K, and thats still with all the issues mentioned besides the movement. So yes they can look almost identical but they wont withstand the same beating the real one can take, everything can come extremely close but fall just a little short, and the clone movements just arent as sophisticated, but they are impressive for the price. Also I kinda dislike it when people are like “see, haha, Rolex are way overpriced” well.. their workers aren’t getting minimum wage, nor are they children, they also have to put money into innovation and R&D, marketing and so on, + everything I listed above.
That’s the same study I referenced. There are roughly 12 million fake Rolexes of varying quality in circulation in the US. That’s about 15 or so years worth of production from Rolex who has been making watches for over a century. Assuming someone is wearing a fake Rolex is more of a judgement on the person than a statistical likelihood based on the number of fake Rolex watches.
Are you assuming Rolex had the same production capabilities for the entire century?
My conclusion doesn’t even remotely require that assumption so that’s a pretty stupid question to ask
Why don’t you tell us the production capacity of Rolex 100 years ago? Edit: hahah two questions that challenged your viewpoint and you blocked me 😂
Man U gotta visit China😂 a million? More like 20 million
I think it’s because the Paul Newman Rolex panda goes for 7 figures in the secondary market and people feel like this is the next best thing. Kind of like how Patek sports watches went crazy for a while and the Overseas started going for $50k+ on the grey market before coming down to earth.
Seven figures?? Wow 😱
6 figures , not 7 ($1M + ) I explained above 👆🏼
Isn't that what the VC is? When one cannot get the Daytona, they "settle" on something else and the VC is part of that something else. Or as you'd put it, the "next best thing".
That is so far off it’s astonishing you said that 😆 It goes for 6 figures not 7 !!!! The only way you’ll find a Rolex Paul Newman in the 7 figures is if it’s gold Paul Newman Lemon 🍋 in mint, NOS, Complete set and even then they’re fetching around the $700-850k depending factors . Now if it’s a Gold Tiffany&Co Paul Newman Lemon Dial then yes you’d be paying around $900-1.3M higher side Is for unworn , NOS, Collectors complete set , and especially provenance! Now SS Paul Newmans go for around the $250-350K range and the SS Tiffany&Co Paul Newman goes for around $450-600K
“You’re so far off” “Some go for 7 figures” Pick one bro.
You are paying for status symbol, and perhaps comfort (let's be honest, daytona has better dimensions), but mostly the former. Very few people outside the watch community have heard of vacheron, but everyone knows Rolex. If you are spending that kind of money, you might as well.
I fuckin hate the Daytona and yachmaster feel on my wrist Alas, love the way the 7900v fits lol
I hate how big the VC feels. Big chonky and undesirable. The Daytona fits like a dream
Yeah I’m the exact opposite. I got pancake wrists. I love the way the VC bracelet and dial hugs my wrist Daytona feels too small, at least for a sports watch At the smaller size a Daytona feels like it fits on me, I’d go with something dressier or less sporty
VC also isn’t very wearable for most people. I love the overseas (date) but it fits too large and chrono is even larger. Daytona fits almost every wrist.
The chrono is a chonky boi
this is so true. I love the overseas line but it would be SO much better 2mm smaller. I also find the rolex oyster bracelet to be much better looking than the weird VC overseas bracelet.
Yeah, If VC was thinner and smaller , it’d be way more desirable
The Overseas chrono would be great if it was 1-2mm thinner and 1-2 mm less diameter. Right now, it's just too chunky. Daytona on the other hand could be a mm or so larger in diameter for my taste.
It's simple, there isn't much of a evolution or history to the Overseas model. Before they re-released the 222, there was barely any resemblance to the original integrated. If you look at the Porsche 911 or most of Rolex models, PP, AP, there's a clear lineage and evolution of the models. Imo that is why VC can be had for basically under retail, especially since the Richemont group increased retails by 40% back in June 2023.
I'm not even a Rolex guy but I'd take the Daytona over the gigantic overseas w. No hacking.
If VC makes the overseas 1mm smaller and shorten the lug to lug, you’ll see how hot this market gets again. I love the watch! But it wears slightly too big for me and I’m 6ft 220. The overseas is right on the cusp of perfection, just slightly too big. Edit: oh, and how does this watch not have hacking?
Daytona is better, I hate to be that guy but the rolex especially the new one you linked is an impressive feat. Save for flyback functionality, it’s not wanting for anything - it’s underpriced if anything.
I agree. I was in the market for one of the two in January. I preferred the Daytonas size much better than the Vacheron. The Vacheron felt chunky and unwearable in most situations. The Daytonas size is amazing, it feels like a 38mm.
The Daytona is not underpriced in the grey market. Perhaps at list but that's debatable. The Vacheron is a much more impressive watch and if you handled both the difference is evident.
Yes I meant the retail price - the discussion is quite different if the retail was at or close to gray. In any event 5500 is too thick, it’s too wide & L2L is bothersome for most given the integrated lugs & bracelet overhang - the rolex comes in at a great size. The bracelet is a touch less well articulated, the PR is smaller, the waterproofing is inferior & the anti-mag mitigation is prev generation. For me also I much prefer a bridge instead of cock on sports pieces, a balance cock is for dress watches IMO. VC wins on finishing, that’s about it - calibre 5200 isnt even iconic.
I agree Daytona is a ton of watch for the money at retail. Same goes for a lot of Rolex models really. Grey is a totally different story though. Is the 5520 that thick? I only tried the 4300V and checking the measurements on the VC site I can't imagine the 5520 is thicker than a daytona given how much slimmer the 4300V is in comparison to the Daytona. You may be right on the diameters L2L size though but for me personally it's not an issue but I know a lot of people struggle with Sub41s too due to the size.
I’m not sure about the new one, but the old is 13.5mm thick generously; omega speedy sized.
The 5520 is slightly thinner I think around 12.4-12.6.
I see. I do find that where the thickness is plays a major part too though. I have both a Submariner 41 and a Speedmaster and they're supposedly the same thickness but the speedy wears much much thicker on my wrist. This is mainly due to the reason that the caseback of the sub is where a lot of the thickness lies and if you wear your watch as one should and not like a rapper the caseback will be swallowed by the small cavity in your lower arm and the "bone knuckle" on your arm will keep the watch from falling down on your hand.
Because the Daytona is the THE iconic chronograph
I believe that distinction really ought to go to the Speedy Pro.
Speedy is for high schoolers who just graduated . The market value reflects that. It’s also readily available and way cheaper . It’s also a plastic swatch . Embarrassing
Doesn’t matter. It’s still the quintessential chronograph. Back in the 60s, NASA actually tested the Daytona against the Speedmaster directly (among numerous others) in determining suitability for the moon mission. The Daytona underperformed. While I don’t think the Speedy is likely still the most reliable and accurate production chronograph in the world, it is certainly the most iconic. But yes, the Daytona is certainly the most hyped and widely desired, even if it lacks any major horological significance. I guess I could see why the status-obsessed would confuse the two…
This is true, but the current Daytona movement is fantastic and far superior to the Omega.
it’s a plastic Swatch now. Zero respect in the watch community. Zero credibility for its owners. I owned 3 Speedmasters, including a 1963 Ed White straight lug 321, and the modern Daytona just beats the piss out of those Omegas. In the end, Omega competes with Tudor and Seiko. Not sure whey they drag Rolex in the conversation. (Well, we do know why...) “Back in the 60s” lmao. I can see why idiotic owners of one would clutch onto the past. The reality of current times today is that the Daytona is the most sought after watch in the world. Omega: Lacks the prestige of Rolex, not a status symbol, ugly bracelets, too many special editions watering down the brand, allowed a plastic Swatch knockoff, easily accessible with a snap of my fingers. Speedmaster is a watch for a 12 year old. A train-wreck. My little nephew just got gifted a speedmaster after finishing school. Enjoy matching watches with a kid 🤣🤣.
My goodness what an oaf. I am sincerely sorry you were dropped on your head as a child. Kindly stop posting in the VC sub.
Who the hell is buying their high school grad an $8k watch - it’s in the same price tier as a bunch of Rolex models
Negatory. The Datograph is.
It isn’t about the Overseas or Daytona. It’s about the brand. If you go to your local golf course and ask 100 people what a Vacheron Constantin is, MAYBE 2 will say it’s a watch brand. Ask those same 100 people what a Rolex is and all 100 will say a luxury watch brand. It’s that simple.
VC is great, but just look at the picture
I may get dragged for this, but I dislike dates on my chronos. I especially dislike the 4.5 date.
Daytona is just beautiful. If you can afford it why not. It’s is your money. VC is great but I would choose a different model. This one is not the best.
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supplyanddemand. There fixed it for ya lol
lol 😂
Try ask this question in the rolex sub. Very curious abt the answer
It’s stupid ! I’d take the vc over it to be honest
Eh, they’re both great watches. Depends what you’re into. If you like boldness, quality, and are mainly out to please yourself, grab the VC. If you want a hype-approved status symbol with bulletproof functionality that’s easy to wear, Daytona. Have never been that into the Daytona personally. I find them a bit boring to wear. But I certainly wouldn’t look down on someone for wearing one.
When you wear one, more people that don’t care about watches will notice one more than the other
Supply. Demand. That’s all.
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What the fuck did I just read
The demand for the Daytona is much more than the 5500v relative to their respective supplies.
I would choose the VC all day every day IF it was smaller. Just too big for my wrist. That’s why I have the Daytona in all honestly. It’s small.
Easy. Demand is way higher.
Vacheron has its own quirks and reason to hate on it as a result. Their product is amazing, if you care about that sort of thing, many do not as has been mentioned. I myself left it last because I didn’t appreciate the design aesthetic or their mark on quality. I find it the watch that gives me joy - isn’t that the point? To give everyone a laugh, consider a Breguet. Understated, over engineered, and completely unrecognizable. Some people as said above, just enjoy the watch for themselves and not other people
The 126500 is still hyped because it is still new. The 116500 is traded at 25K right now.
Because people are stupid
Brand power with the masses vs the few.
If you have to ask, you don't know... well, you know. Why are you even asking? It's purely brand hype.
When I go out with my overseas or a cool parmigiani fleurieur tonda, I met very few people asking about my watch. When I go out with my explorer II, there are so many going like “omg, is that a ROLEX?”
And that’s why I’m going to sell the explorer lol
No one cares. Explorer is the least desirable Rolex too.
I've had three people ask me about my Moser in the last week, and the manager at a restaurant last summer gave us a table even though they were sold out BECAUSE he noticed my Overseas and respected the choice over hype watches. More watch nerds out there than you think!
I live in a small city in the south of Italy, think it depends on where you live. Excellent choice with the moser, I LOVE IT. What model if I could ask?
This week was the Streamliner Center Seconds "Smoked Salmon," but I also have a Pioneer Center Seconds MEGACOOL which gets a bunch of comments. Those Moser dials are something.
The pioneer centre seconds it’s one of my favorite! I really appreciate the blue dial of moser, but every color looks so stunning 🤩
Because only watch enthusiasts know what a VC even is. Most people, whether the motivation is right or wrong, buy expensive luxury watches like a Rolex to portray that they have wealth. It’s rarely just because they love the watch. There is nothing visually drastically different between a Rolex and seiko diver, but people see a seiko they think cheap and they see Rolex and assume the person is powerful and wealthy (or that it’s fake lol). So buying the Rolex is automatic public recognition, the VC people don’t know
You did a similar question in R/Rolex with the same picture. Just trying to get reactions from two different watch enthusiast groups.
Nothing wrong with that. Avoids the echo chamber.
I’m telling you, why waste time on a Rolex when these inflated prices are the same as entry level for the big 3?
The VC by an absolute mile. If your shopping mid tier chronos that the Daytona operates in, the speedy beats it hands down. The VC is another beast entirely
Crazy! VC is ten times the watch of the Rolex Panda. Hands down and not even a close second.
Hilarious. One is haute horology, the other advertises a lot at golf, tennis and f1
Even in the fucking race sims man , all I see is 👑 ROLEX 👑 ROLEX 👑
The VC also looks like a dollar store toy.
Yeah totally understand supply and demand. But with the same money I would rather go for a Ferrari than Mercedes 😉
The difference is everyone knows Ferrari, Mercedes and Rolex but most people walking on the streets have never heard of Vacheron
That says quite a lot about some rolex owners mentality. The VC is a better watch but won't get attention from those unaware. Those who know, know.
I think you're overthinking. Most people with Rolex or desire Rolex as a status symbol or milestone purchase and they do not care about what movement, how it is finished and whether the watch has Geneva seal on it. They simply desire to own a nice watch and Rolex happened to market themselves well enough as a luxury watch whereas Vacheron is more of a watch enthusiast brand
Most people don't know what Patek or AP or even JLC are either, all make much better products than Rolex, as do VC. The best of all things could be categorised as "enthusiast". What we see here is the perfect example of hype. Remember Prime drinks?
I think your comparison is off. People know Mercedes and Ferrari. Everyone knows Rolex but if you are not into watches nobody really knows Vacheron. Rolex is like Ferrari. Exclusive and everyone, auto enthusiast or not, is aware of the brand. Vacheron is like the Rimac Nevera. If you are an auto enthusiast you know it, if not you are heading to Google. People might think the Vacheron is great looking but they have no idea it’s part of the “holy trinity” of watches……
Fair call. Maybe Ferrari and Pagani comparison instead??
I would agree. I gave the Rimac example. Damn thing goes 256 mph….. lol. Anyway, if I saw the Vacheron I’d love it, but I’m a watch guy. Most people would not know the difference between that and a Tag Heuer. Rolex, just like Ferrari, people would know…..
Rari’s are flashy but that’s about it. MB is the epitome of luxury and sophistication. Germany > Italy.
Crazy isn't it!!
Rolex grey market pricing is just insane. I know a lot of people who'd rather get a steel daytona than an overseas for the same price. Which is just insanity imo.
Supply and demand. More than the watch, the Daytona is a status symbol. Only connoisseurs know about the Overseas.
Because Rolex is nothing but hype at this point. They are a great brand and quality is on par with MSRP, but grey prices are outrageous. This is also exacerbated by flippers.
Welll first of all that’s not a Panda…
Yes. Rolex is a trash hype watch. They could have been great but got greedy and destroyed their image.i wouldn't pay a dollar over retail. Secondary should be 10% under
Marketing
It's actually disgusting. Because of brainless sheeps, that's why.
It’s totally absurd. The VC is so much more watch.
Cultists and fan boys
Because the Daytona is all hype. A lot of people want others to know they’re wearing something expensive. I’d take the 5500v any day of the week, even with the date window.
It’s simply supply and demand. I bet if and when Rolexes become more available the demand will fall just because now you can get them. When I got my panda Daytona I was underwhelmed.
Because of the other VC: Vanity and Clout.