This is sad though...I was looking forward to him perform in APAC T1 considering his performance last year and that Ominous did think that he was the best Sentinel in T2 APAC last year. It's probably the more pragmatic decision and I wish him all the best with his studies!
On Crazyguy's stream he said that Egoist is actually also pretty good in academics, and he only has 2 weeks to decide whether to enroll in uni or not. He decided he didn't want to play in Challengers, and that's that
I dont think collegiate anywhere is as big as in NA, and tbh just given cultural expectations for places such as Singapore I cant imagine having esports having proper footing within the university system
Collegiate valorant doesn’t really exist outside of NA, and by NA we really just mean a tiny amount of universities in the US.
Actually collegiate sports having any importance is only a US thing, Canada has it to a much lesser extent, and once you get outside of those two it’s not really a thing anyone who isn’t a student athlete cares about.
It's actually kinda bittersweet seeing someone just decide to retire after a move like this to pursue security. It sucks because you want better retention for your esport but also nice seeing someone make a good responsible decision for themselves.
I remember back in like 2014 when LCS pros were (I think?) making good money and having decent-ish job security (or at least making enough for it to be worth a few years of pro play). Now esports as a whole is just going through some painful but necessary adjustments and it's such a bummer. I wish the best for these players
It is going to be much worse when Bleed crash and burn due to lack of team chemistry which is what seems more likely if they don't change the decisions that they made during kickoff.
This is just the way it is now. Teams can't afford to pick anyone up unless they can guarantee they're the very best or they make money. And obviously players can't just sit around waiting for that so retirement and having a stable income is the best move
Also this is so much worse for non partnered teams because they only have 2 years to do something so they'll make drastic changes to achieve that before they get relegated
They said it's because of a star player or a faction. It could be yay, but it could also be Sscary. You know, the guy with the million dollar contract in Ascension last year?
It's not just him plus did you see how terrible Bleed were? They needed changes and dropping Yay wasn't gonna help their massive issues with macro and micro gameplans. Imo they needed coaching changes but its not great to make coach changes with such little time to change anything
dropping y0y is better than dropping egoist. Yay is literally a two trick chamber and jett and isn't even performing that well on them so far in the small sample space. He should get only one more chance, if after these roster changes bleed still flop with no good performance from yay, I can't see tier 1 ever wanting el diablo.
it’s not really crazy to say that yay should’ve been dropped and swapped for a player who actually plays those roles. it’s the move that makes the most sense. not saying that yay isn’t good or there’s no other problems than yay but it is true that he underperformed heavy and if he were to keep on playing with that same role, it would just be better for bleed to just drop him and pick someone up that plays that exact role that is needed
it’s not really crazy to say that yay should’ve been dropped and swapped for a player who actually plays those roles. it’s the move that makes the most sense. not saying that yay isn’t good or there’s no other problems than yay but it is true that he underperformed heavy and if he were to keep on playing with that same role, it would just be better for bleed to just drop him and pick someone up that plays that exact role that is needed
Idk if you somehow think that the problems Bleed had were because of any of their role players idk what to do with you. That's just kinda crazy like you watched those games and think it's a individual issue and not massive issues with their macro gameplans and their clear blatant misunderstanding of the game
it’s crazy how quick you are to judge and target what i saw in a match… did i say the igl wasn’t the problem? crazyguy being dropped is something i’m not defending at all. it’s true that igl, midrounding and their macro game plans were heavily off for both games. that doesent mean egoist should’ve been dropped over yay
just purely looking at the matches, you can’t say that yay deserves to stay on the roster. regardless of the game plans, yay couldn’t even shoot back. egoist was one of the bright spots of this roster with a lot of clutches against global and honestly single handedly keeping them in the game most of the time. ofc performance in game isn’t everything if you’re able to provide more to the table but yay isn’t in that type of role or known to be that type of player either
im just saying looking at this and disregarding anything that happened behind the scenes, the two that looked like they should be dropped are yay and crazyguy. there should be no debate about that. ofc bc there’s problems aside from what we saw in the match and it’s hard to justify yay getting dropped but there’s no way you could watch his performance during kick off and act like he did a good job or he deserves to stay on the roster
if that were any other player, he would’ve been the one getting dropped instead of egoist every single time and theres no arguing against that. even if this player was doing well in scrims, they would have dropped him for performance on stage being awful
Ok I wanna clarify my point here. Egoist should absolutely NOT have been dropped. But that doesn't mean Yay should have been, Crazyguy being dropped might be good I cant be sure Idk what's happening internally, but from what I saw any of the players who underperformer should get a pass because it wasn't their fault, they were set to fail by their awful gameplans, poor adapting, and even worse micro. Dropping any role players after those 2 games is just a mistake, it's too early and the biggest problems weren't the players. That's my point. Has nothing to do with Yay, it could be anyone in his spot I don't think they should be dropped
I’m stupid lol? Sentinels created rosters and kept tenz all the way through one org one environment with trust. Yay is being passed around like crazy, no one org is willing to just keep him, he should have gone to nrg definitely the biggest fumble in his Val career. Plus tenz wasn’t a one trick jet main, people said that but ik he wasn’t and when he started showing his support agents tenz looked decent compared to yay viper. I think yay should be given on more chance but the fact people are losing jobs because of him makes me not so lenient towards him
dephh left because he thought he did not meet expectations and sykko probably gave him that m80 head role which gave him more confidence to leave. Also crazy guy claimed star playerS plural, formed a faction and got rid of him. Tenz was also forced into duelist one trick role for two years because idk why, and as soon as he pulled out support he looked good, not the best and not like right now, but not being deadweight or not utilising agents incorrectly. I don't exactly hate yay yet, I think bro deserves a chance, but dropping egoist hmmmm. Anyways maybe bleed will cook with these roster changes and I will look like clown.
Comparing Tenz and Yay saying they are both one tricks is so stupid, Yay tried playing different agents this years and got obliterated and Tenz has rebiult his whole playstyle to be able to fit into a team. His omen and Kayo are proof of that.
Yeah. NGL I’m kind of happy players decide to retire and go to school instead of investing more into their failing pro career. It’s the smarter life option in the long run.
Yeah 100% it shows maturity that he took the calculated risk trying to make it as a pro but had a backup plan in case it doesnt work out. Seems like he had a clear deadline and stuck to it. In mountaineering it is common to have a point you need to be at at a certain time if you want to make it to the summit safely, if you dont make it you turn around and more often then not it went horribly wrong if ppl didnt. Kinda fits this
Why would it be Sscary? Sscary hasn't ever thrown his teammates under the bus like Yay did before. He would never kick Crazyguy when they won together lmaooo.
He said the team was terrible and blamed that on the players (including himself) because it was their fault lol. He didn't sack anyone tho and that's what this is
i dont think he woke up one day and said "man i really wanna be benched so i can retire immediately and go back to uni" only a couple months after bleed winning ascension
yea right after i commented i edited and added bleed to make it more clear but my point was he got signed into a t1 team that just won ascension and had the momentum to do well despite the roster changes. and its been only a couple of months so i wonder what could possibly trigger his thoughts on retiring other than being benched
Well that completely disproves your argument. He would be more willing to stay in esports if he was with bleed during ascension since he will have a much better sense of accomplishment. Since he wasnt, him being in bleed isnt a factor to anything.
Again, he himself said there is no point in pursuing esports anymore. That means he has been thinking about it way before he was benched. Hes a great player so if he does want to keep playing, he wont have trouble finding another team to play for. The fact that he didnt look for one means he isnt determined anymore. The last player you want in your team is someone whose heart isnt fully in it
Again, as ive said, if he is fully dedicated to keep playing esports, he would keep looking for a team and he wont have trouble finding one. The fact that he retired immediately means hes already one foot out the door
Thats a sinking ship dude. If he was determined to continue playing, he wouldnt have trouble finding a team since hes a great sentinel player. The fact that he retired right there and then means hes been thinking about it for a while and his heart isnt fully in esports anymore. Honestly good for him, university is a much more responsible career choice.
The last player you want on your team is someone whos not fully determined to play
What? How did this become about yay? We were talking about egoist lol. They dont even play the same role so how is yay responsible for egoist being benched?
It's an agenda against Yay
Some people think Yay got Egoist kicked so he could play Senti lol.
If Yay had as much power as some on these sub believe him to have he wouldn't be playing Viper/Skye as Flex.
That doesn't mean he's been thinking about it for a while, it just means he lost a job just before university application periods are about to end and there's no available jobs left right now. Why would he spend a year unpaid on a Challengers team when he can start university (especially if he's also good academically)?
What other APAC team is looking for players right now that he wouldn't have had trouble finding a spot on?
Everytime GE played DRX or PRX, he put them in his pocket as he gets aces. I don't understand how he does this and still get doubters. Nerves is still a thing, not every single player is like something who only had to replace Benkai when Monyet has to replace the best Raze in the world. Its so sad seeing this from PRX fans.
Cry about it. I was a prx fan since early 2021. Not gonna stop "repping a flair" (cringe btw) cuz of 1 player or cuz u told me. U act like I'm rooting against monyet. All I want is for him to play well. But clearly he hasn't been time and time again and benkai was better and egoist would be way better. or just put him on pure controller duty alongside mindfreak. that's all.
You want him to play well then have so little faith on the guy and then have the gall to go "I'll be so happy if he replaces Monyet" like wtf. They barely meshed with the guy and you already want them to replace him. Maybe they should have dropped everyone after bombing out of Champs and Lock//in.
They didn't bomb out of champs. And Lock//in was a Bo1 against a yay that was coming off a hot 2022. So I have no idea what those sarcastic arguments are about. As for monyet, I simply don't think he's the right fit for the others. He is a very individual player judging by all of his gunfights, and he lacks fragging power. The problem is he changed nothing from afreeca to kick off. Actually, he looked worse somehow. Anyways, me wanting a player replaced is my own personal opinion, call it disrespectful I could care less, I'm merely a viewer. Just because I'm a fan doesn't mean I need to glaze everyone and can't criticise them. Let me get your opinions on yay then as a Bleed fan.
Champs they lost to Lev and Liquid with everyone performing very poorly going 1-2. Lock//in they looked out of it against a C9 that wasn't even all yay in that game, like even DRX managed to dismantle them and keep their form, their long time rivals. Even looking into early PRX in the 2023 season, they were merely good against the bad teams, and lackluster against the good teams even with something. But they gave him time. A whole damn season, not just kickoff. Time is very important for players and like Alecks said he knows about Monyet's issues. He got the fragging capabilities, we saw that last year. Its just the nerves of not performing, the pressure to replace the best Raze in the world. That's not easy.
And with yay? I'm mostly a fan of sScary as a player, so I don't know a whole lot about Bleed. I'm merely an APAC fan but mostly big on PRX and RRQ and maybe T1. In terms of yay, he needs time. He is a good player, he already showed that. He needs more time to get adjusted and more on a team thats not "divided" because crazyguy and sScary doesn't seem to get along. And it seems yay is with sScary so that makes them not getting along with crazyguy which is a recipe for a dysfunctional team. From what I've watched, he's not a very good Neon, doesn't look like 2022 yay and probably need time to get adjusted to the new role and have better mental. Surely sScary can't be lying about him doing good in scrims right?
Okay, and your last point. No one told you to glaze everyone. There's virtue in waiting it out and seeing how thing goes. I was a fan mid 2022 and early 2023. Even when they were losing I believed in them when some disrespectful PRX fans went calling for f0rsaken and mindfreak to be dropped after streaks of poor performance. You can criticize them its all fair game. I mean, I criticize Jinggg when he makes a bad play too like it happens, even the rest of the players. But going "hope Egoist or Benkai replace monyet" after what, 1 offseason tourney where they're fucking around and kickoff at most? Not even until split 1? So impatient honestly just wait it out lah then go all out when they don't qualify to Shanghai or Champs.
There is absolutely no way they bench Egoist after the way he performed during kickoff. I'll only be rooting for the downfall of yay and Bleed from now on. SG players can't have shit lol.
Yay actually carries a curse around him that causes drama/internal issues in any team he joins post-OPTC
Maybe C9 made the right call after all
I don't think he's a shitty teammate (?) or at least I'm holding off that thought for now. I do find it suspect that every team indirectly blames yay for their issues [C9 role issues/steel subtweets/crazyguy liked tweets]. It definitely affects his confidence which in turn hinders his performance.
Maybe he should take the d3ffo route and play in some no name foreign team and slowly grind away from the limelight. His mental is in the dumps for sure rn.
I think it's because yay just isn't really a charismatic guy, he seems pretty awkward and might be pretty blunt from the interviews and watch party streams he was on. When in a professional environment, little things like that can tick people off especially if things aren't going well and organisations feel they need to tailor to you (which is true because orgs definitely want their star signing to succeed). Even if you're generally friendly face to face, other guys might not like you because of factors you can't control and the fact that you're not friends.
Like look at Zellsis, he "took" Pancada's spot, but he's so charismatic, he's still chill with Pancada.
He will always have the limelight on him. Yay should retire as an eSports player and make bombs for the US gov bc he's just blowing everything he touches into a million pieces.
Dsg was fucked way before yay. People like to ignore that they only had 2 wins in split one against the 2 worst teams who both upgraded massively and then dsg was having issues due to exalt and steel even before yay joined, then exalt left and then xxif was dropped then signed nerve who had one good game on senti and then immediately was moved to smokes so clear can play sentinel and performed poorly since, then exalt came back and replaced steel and the team continued being a fucking mess. Idk how yall gonna gonna blame yay for all this since some of this shit started before yay even joined but haters gonna hate ig.
People also love to say he got beat by t2 players like that’s a problem. Narrate went to EMEA and dropped map kill record, oxy has been getting highlights left and right, demon1 was t2 then won a champions trophy the year he joined t1, koalanoob was close af to tier 1 and Johnqt who was also t2 joined sen and immediately they won Americas kickoff, governor went to apac and his debut match he was frying, bdog was former t1 and despite inconsistency can pop off huge, and oxygen the whole team, well, they kicked tier 1 teams’ ass. People use tier 2 as an insult as if there aren’t an abundance of their 2 players that are better than tier one players but because they were never in tier one orgs don’t wanna risk picking them up and some tier 2 teams are def better than some of the teams in tier 1
I mean it depends on how he does later this year. If he’s performing then I don’t think he’s necessary the problem. If he’s still performing poorly then yeah he’s the issue. Realistically he hasn’t been the real problem yet. C9 cut him due to money and also due to them signing 4 duelist players so they cut the most costly one, I don’t think that’s on yay. Dsg, like I said, was a cluster fuck before yay so i don’t think you can blame the whole thing on yay. I mean ffs the coach tried fucking Jett Reyna solo brim on pearl ‘cause he can’t come up with any strats and just went for raw fire power.
To all the APAC and Singaporean fans, this is just how yay operates. If you don't perform and carry the chamber one trick in matches where he's bottom fragging you're cut. You're the IGL don't care you're cut (vanity and steel).
I'm honestly surprised bleed didn't cut the head coach or even the social media team. Next bleed going to cut the team house cleaners for not cleaning yays room good enough
He is retiring cause the org is kicking him after 2 fucking games, do you expect him to grind t2 again to have a chance at tier 1 and get kicked again? Bleed just showed him that he has 0 security and it is not worth it for him to keep playing instead of securing a career outside of esports.
Surely he leaves franchising on his own after 2 games
SURELY you think when you type
I'm not saying it's yay's fault, but there's no way he left on his own. Getting dropped from Bleed, no leg to stand on, is probably hard to come back to MYSG tier 2, which is probably unsustainable for him. Best decision to go back to uni because of this
people will somehow blame yay for this when this is all bleed management's fault lmao
they acquire yay who is known for his jett/chamber. they have egoist who overlaps with senti role and make yay flex instead. maps they won, almost won was him on duelist. surprise surprise.
This is sad though...I was looking forward to him perform in APAC T1 considering his performance last year and that Ominous did think that he was the best Sentinel in T2 APAC last year. It's probably the more pragmatic decision and I wish him all the best with his studies!
On Crazyguy's stream he said that Egoist is actually also pretty good in academics, and he only has 2 weeks to decide whether to enroll in uni or not. He decided he didn't want to play in Challengers, and that's that
yeah i’m sure he has a lot of external pressure to go to college as well if he’s academically driven. gl to him
is collegiate valorant not as big in apac as in NA?
I dont think collegiate anywhere is as big as in NA, and tbh just given cultural expectations for places such as Singapore I cant imagine having esports having proper footing within the university system
singapore education must be hella good.
they have 2-3 of the top unis in the world for a reason
NUS, NTU, and?
Collegiate valorant doesn’t really exist outside of NA, and by NA we really just mean a tiny amount of universities in the US. Actually collegiate sports having any importance is only a US thing, Canada has it to a much lesser extent, and once you get outside of those two it’s not really a thing anyone who isn’t a student athlete cares about.
Collegiate esport (or even most sport) is non-existence here in SEA
Basically no where, ive never head of a germany university having an esports team, let alone beeing semi professional
It's actually kinda bittersweet seeing someone just decide to retire after a move like this to pursue security. It sucks because you want better retention for your esport but also nice seeing someone make a good responsible decision for themselves.
I remember back in like 2014 when LCS pros were (I think?) making good money and having decent-ish job security (or at least making enough for it to be worth a few years of pro play). Now esports as a whole is just going through some painful but necessary adjustments and it's such a bummer. I wish the best for these players
It is going to be much worse when Bleed crash and burn due to lack of team chemistry which is what seems more likely if they don't change the decisions that they made during kickoff.
Bro what the FUCK. Someone please beg this man to continue playing. Pick him up😭😭😭
This is just the way it is now. Teams can't afford to pick anyone up unless they can guarantee they're the very best or they make money. And obviously players can't just sit around waiting for that so retirement and having a stable income is the best move Also this is so much worse for non partnered teams because they only have 2 years to do something so they'll make drastic changes to achieve that before they get relegated
Funny watching orgs throwing money at washed yay tho
damn :/
What losing to GE does to a man
what having yay on ur team does to a man
El diablo is fully in effect......
They said it's because of a star player or a faction. It could be yay, but it could also be Sscary. You know, the guy with the million dollar contract in Ascension last year?
yea both of them
It's not just him plus did you see how terrible Bleed were? They needed changes and dropping Yay wasn't gonna help their massive issues with macro and micro gameplans. Imo they needed coaching changes but its not great to make coach changes with such little time to change anything
dropping y0y is better than dropping egoist. Yay is literally a two trick chamber and jett and isn't even performing that well on them so far in the small sample space. He should get only one more chance, if after these roster changes bleed still flop with no good performance from yay, I can't see tier 1 ever wanting el diablo.
Its crazy to say either Yay or Egoist should be dropped. It's so out of touch with what their actual problems are.
it’s not really crazy to say that yay should’ve been dropped and swapped for a player who actually plays those roles. it’s the move that makes the most sense. not saying that yay isn’t good or there’s no other problems than yay but it is true that he underperformed heavy and if he were to keep on playing with that same role, it would just be better for bleed to just drop him and pick someone up that plays that exact role that is needed
it’s not really crazy to say that yay should’ve been dropped and swapped for a player who actually plays those roles. it’s the move that makes the most sense. not saying that yay isn’t good or there’s no other problems than yay but it is true that he underperformed heavy and if he were to keep on playing with that same role, it would just be better for bleed to just drop him and pick someone up that plays that exact role that is needed
Idk if you somehow think that the problems Bleed had were because of any of their role players idk what to do with you. That's just kinda crazy like you watched those games and think it's a individual issue and not massive issues with their macro gameplans and their clear blatant misunderstanding of the game
it’s crazy how quick you are to judge and target what i saw in a match… did i say the igl wasn’t the problem? crazyguy being dropped is something i’m not defending at all. it’s true that igl, midrounding and their macro game plans were heavily off for both games. that doesent mean egoist should’ve been dropped over yay just purely looking at the matches, you can’t say that yay deserves to stay on the roster. regardless of the game plans, yay couldn’t even shoot back. egoist was one of the bright spots of this roster with a lot of clutches against global and honestly single handedly keeping them in the game most of the time. ofc performance in game isn’t everything if you’re able to provide more to the table but yay isn’t in that type of role or known to be that type of player either im just saying looking at this and disregarding anything that happened behind the scenes, the two that looked like they should be dropped are yay and crazyguy. there should be no debate about that. ofc bc there’s problems aside from what we saw in the match and it’s hard to justify yay getting dropped but there’s no way you could watch his performance during kick off and act like he did a good job or he deserves to stay on the roster if that were any other player, he would’ve been the one getting dropped instead of egoist every single time and theres no arguing against that. even if this player was doing well in scrims, they would have dropped him for performance on stage being awful
Ok I wanna clarify my point here. Egoist should absolutely NOT have been dropped. But that doesn't mean Yay should have been, Crazyguy being dropped might be good I cant be sure Idk what's happening internally, but from what I saw any of the players who underperformer should get a pass because it wasn't their fault, they were set to fail by their awful gameplans, poor adapting, and even worse micro. Dropping any role players after those 2 games is just a mistake, it's too early and the biggest problems weren't the players. That's my point. Has nothing to do with Yay, it could be anyone in his spot I don't think they should be dropped
It is crazy id rather keep roster but people ain’t getting along which is unfixable so we gotta cut out weakest link
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I’m stupid lol? Sentinels created rosters and kept tenz all the way through one org one environment with trust. Yay is being passed around like crazy, no one org is willing to just keep him, he should have gone to nrg definitely the biggest fumble in his Val career. Plus tenz wasn’t a one trick jet main, people said that but ik he wasn’t and when he started showing his support agents tenz looked decent compared to yay viper. I think yay should be given on more chance but the fact people are losing jobs because of him makes me not so lenient towards him
It’ll be yay’s last fumble too. There’s no way a T1 team back in Americas picks up him again lol
fr, he'll have to settle for my premier team, dw ill bring him back and we'll fry silvers together
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dephh left because he thought he did not meet expectations and sykko probably gave him that m80 head role which gave him more confidence to leave. Also crazy guy claimed star playerS plural, formed a faction and got rid of him. Tenz was also forced into duelist one trick role for two years because idk why, and as soon as he pulled out support he looked good, not the best and not like right now, but not being deadweight or not utilising agents incorrectly. I don't exactly hate yay yet, I think bro deserves a chance, but dropping egoist hmmmm. Anyways maybe bleed will cook with these roster changes and I will look like clown.
Comparing Tenz and Yay saying they are both one tricks is so stupid, Yay tried playing different agents this years and got obliterated and Tenz has rebiult his whole playstyle to be able to fit into a team. His omen and Kayo are proof of that.
no your just stupid
I am starting to believe Bleed is the mirror image of Falcons in CS
No, they are the mirror image of bleed in cs
Bruh this sucks all around :(
something something foreigner stealing jobs in sg/asia from locals..
something?? from paper rex??
? It's the org's fault
It’s a sg local joke chill💀
Lol I need to get better at telling jokes apart then
Not your fault, it's not easy to tell that it's a joke if you aren't from SG. quite a controversial topic nowadays too.
I'm so crying...
good for him
Yeah. NGL I’m kind of happy players decide to retire and go to school instead of investing more into their failing pro career. It’s the smarter life option in the long run.
He only decided to retire cause he got benched, although this is the smarter option, this is not the option he wanted
That life, sometimes it just doesnt want to work for you. Then you need to persue other options. Applicable to all fields not just esports
fair enough, wishing him the best for whatever path he is taking
Yeah 100% it shows maturity that he took the calculated risk trying to make it as a pro but had a backup plan in case it doesnt work out. Seems like he had a clear deadline and stuck to it. In mountaineering it is common to have a point you need to be at at a certain time if you want to make it to the summit safely, if you dont make it you turn around and more often then not it went horribly wrong if ppl didnt. Kinda fits this
you could guess it was the tipping point, the hard work that goes into esports can translate into any industy too.
Yup, that's exactly my point. There comes a point where it's time to move on. Happens with people during their careers too.
man, this is rough to read
Holy shit this is so rough
all this for a washed ex chamber player
Stay on the hate train if you want to, but we don't know it's yay. It could be Sscary too.
Why would it be Sscary? Sscary hasn't ever thrown his teammates under the bus like Yay did before. He would never kick Crazyguy when they won together lmaooo.
ssacry and yay kicked crazyguy, he implies that star players created a faction that went against him
They had beef before, dude.
Neither has Yay tho
yay did throw his team under the bus before lol, remember dsg? Bro called his own teammates dogshit.
He said the team was terrible and blamed that on the players (including himself) because it was their fault lol. He didn't sack anyone tho and that's what this is
How dare you interrupt the hate train with facts
Pretty sure he included himself
What? He wants to focus on his studies. How is that yay's fault?
i dont think he woke up one day and said "man i really wanna be benched so i can retire immediately and go back to uni" only a couple months after bleed winning ascension
egoist wasnt on bleed during ascension
yea right after i commented i edited and added bleed to make it more clear but my point was he got signed into a t1 team that just won ascension and had the momentum to do well despite the roster changes. and its been only a couple of months so i wonder what could possibly trigger his thoughts on retiring other than being benched
Egoist isnt on BLEED during ascension what are you on about
i know? read my other reply
Well that completely disproves your argument. He would be more willing to stay in esports if he was with bleed during ascension since he will have a much better sense of accomplishment. Since he wasnt, him being in bleed isnt a factor to anything. Again, he himself said there is no point in pursuing esports anymore. That means he has been thinking about it way before he was benched. Hes a great player so if he does want to keep playing, he wont have trouble finding another team to play for. The fact that he didnt look for one means he isnt determined anymore. The last player you want in your team is someone whose heart isnt fully in it
https://preview.redd.it/h5t1959uowmc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=42a5f482d2010cca8a6e3b9ebc043100b8081b45
Again, as ive said, if he is fully dedicated to keep playing esports, he would keep looking for a team and he wont have trouble finding one. The fact that he retired immediately means hes already one foot out the door
ur deadass slow bro lol
Thats your opinion then, its all how you look at it. My point is that Egoist retiring did not happen in a vacuum. It has already been there
He wouldn't have to focus on his studies if he wasn't benched by HC yay
Thats a sinking ship dude. If he was determined to continue playing, he wouldnt have trouble finding a team since hes a great sentinel player. The fact that he retired right there and then means hes been thinking about it for a while and his heart isnt fully in esports anymore. Honestly good for him, university is a much more responsible career choice. The last player you want on your team is someone whos not fully determined to play
Yay should retire and enrol in uni and major in making bombs cuz all he knows how to do is blow teams up
What? How did this become about yay? We were talking about egoist lol. They dont even play the same role so how is yay responsible for egoist being benched?
It's an agenda against Yay Some people think Yay got Egoist kicked so he could play Senti lol. If Yay had as much power as some on these sub believe him to have he wouldn't be playing Viper/Skye as Flex.
He would because his Jett isn't doing him any favours either.
That doesn't mean he's been thinking about it for a while, it just means he lost a job just before university application periods are about to end and there's no available jobs left right now. Why would he spend a year unpaid on a Challengers team when he can start university (especially if he's also good academically)? What other APAC team is looking for players right now that he wouldn't have had trouble finding a spot on?
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Tenz didnt cause chemistry issues whatever he goes and seems to be genuinely liked by his teammates.
tenz was objectively good and had the MOST value as a personality in Valorant, and more adaptable compared to yay who still is a jett chamber 1 trick.
It took a whole 2 ass years, multiple roster changes and a world-class entry duelist for Tenz to finally start performing what people expected him to.
How tho?
I mean DFM can probably use an upgrade
PRX please pick him
If him or benkai replaces monyet I'd be so happy
Benkai replacing Monyet would be a step back even though I love Benkai.
So little faith for Monyet wtf..?
Won't believe until he proves otherwise. After seeing every map of his in afreeca and kickoff, I have no hope.
Did you watch any of his games with GE last year? He was their solo carry like half the time
Am I talking about GE or PRX hello???? he clearly was soooo much better on a disciplined controller role
Everytime GE played DRX or PRX, he put them in his pocket as he gets aces. I don't understand how he does this and still get doubters. Nerves is still a thing, not every single player is like something who only had to replace Benkai when Monyet has to replace the best Raze in the world. Its so sad seeing this from PRX fans.
Stop repping that flair then if you can't even have faith in your players. Very disrespectful fan behavior.
Cry about it. I was a prx fan since early 2021. Not gonna stop "repping a flair" (cringe btw) cuz of 1 player or cuz u told me. U act like I'm rooting against monyet. All I want is for him to play well. But clearly he hasn't been time and time again and benkai was better and egoist would be way better. or just put him on pure controller duty alongside mindfreak. that's all.
You want him to play well then have so little faith on the guy and then have the gall to go "I'll be so happy if he replaces Monyet" like wtf. They barely meshed with the guy and you already want them to replace him. Maybe they should have dropped everyone after bombing out of Champs and Lock//in.
They didn't bomb out of champs. And Lock//in was a Bo1 against a yay that was coming off a hot 2022. So I have no idea what those sarcastic arguments are about. As for monyet, I simply don't think he's the right fit for the others. He is a very individual player judging by all of his gunfights, and he lacks fragging power. The problem is he changed nothing from afreeca to kick off. Actually, he looked worse somehow. Anyways, me wanting a player replaced is my own personal opinion, call it disrespectful I could care less, I'm merely a viewer. Just because I'm a fan doesn't mean I need to glaze everyone and can't criticise them. Let me get your opinions on yay then as a Bleed fan.
Champs they lost to Lev and Liquid with everyone performing very poorly going 1-2. Lock//in they looked out of it against a C9 that wasn't even all yay in that game, like even DRX managed to dismantle them and keep their form, their long time rivals. Even looking into early PRX in the 2023 season, they were merely good against the bad teams, and lackluster against the good teams even with something. But they gave him time. A whole damn season, not just kickoff. Time is very important for players and like Alecks said he knows about Monyet's issues. He got the fragging capabilities, we saw that last year. Its just the nerves of not performing, the pressure to replace the best Raze in the world. That's not easy. And with yay? I'm mostly a fan of sScary as a player, so I don't know a whole lot about Bleed. I'm merely an APAC fan but mostly big on PRX and RRQ and maybe T1. In terms of yay, he needs time. He is a good player, he already showed that. He needs more time to get adjusted and more on a team thats not "divided" because crazyguy and sScary doesn't seem to get along. And it seems yay is with sScary so that makes them not getting along with crazyguy which is a recipe for a dysfunctional team. From what I've watched, he's not a very good Neon, doesn't look like 2022 yay and probably need time to get adjusted to the new role and have better mental. Surely sScary can't be lying about him doing good in scrims right? Okay, and your last point. No one told you to glaze everyone. There's virtue in waiting it out and seeing how thing goes. I was a fan mid 2022 and early 2023. Even when they were losing I believed in them when some disrespectful PRX fans went calling for f0rsaken and mindfreak to be dropped after streaks of poor performance. You can criticize them its all fair game. I mean, I criticize Jinggg when he makes a bad play too like it happens, even the rest of the players. But going "hope Egoist or Benkai replace monyet" after what, 1 offseason tourney where they're fucking around and kickoff at most? Not even until split 1? So impatient honestly just wait it out lah then go all out when they don't qualify to Shanghai or Champs.
There is absolutely no way they bench Egoist after the way he performed during kickoff. I'll only be rooting for the downfall of yay and Bleed from now on. SG players can't have shit lol.
Yay actually carries a curse around him that causes drama/internal issues in any team he joins post-OPTC Maybe C9 made the right call after all
Yay never beating the primary scapegoat allegations
Is it a curse or is he just the problem? Was a great player for a period but you don't get longevity being a shitty team mate.
I don't think he's a shitty teammate (?) or at least I'm holding off that thought for now. I do find it suspect that every team indirectly blames yay for their issues [C9 role issues/steel subtweets/crazyguy liked tweets]. It definitely affects his confidence which in turn hinders his performance. Maybe he should take the d3ffo route and play in some no name foreign team and slowly grind away from the limelight. His mental is in the dumps for sure rn.
I think it's because yay just isn't really a charismatic guy, he seems pretty awkward and might be pretty blunt from the interviews and watch party streams he was on. When in a professional environment, little things like that can tick people off especially if things aren't going well and organisations feel they need to tailor to you (which is true because orgs definitely want their star signing to succeed). Even if you're generally friendly face to face, other guys might not like you because of factors you can't control and the fact that you're not friends. Like look at Zellsis, he "took" Pancada's spot, but he's so charismatic, he's still chill with Pancada.
D3ffo wasnt nearly as dominant as yay, nor was he underpreforming on the roster he was known for like d3ffo
He will always have the limelight on him. Yay should retire as an eSports player and make bombs for the US gov bc he's just blowing everything he touches into a million pieces.
Bruh you need help. Honestly. You can't seem to make rational thoughts
I found that pretty funny honestly maybe im fucked
People have no sense of humor these days 😂😂
focus on your own site pepeLa
yay is not beating the 'bad teammate' allegations!
If Bleed cant make it to Shanghai then FUCK YOU BLEED.
L DIABLO wrecks careers wherever he goes
First DSG now Bleed. yay is ruthless
Don't forget C9
Dsg was fucked way before yay. People like to ignore that they only had 2 wins in split one against the 2 worst teams who both upgraded massively and then dsg was having issues due to exalt and steel even before yay joined, then exalt left and then xxif was dropped then signed nerve who had one good game on senti and then immediately was moved to smokes so clear can play sentinel and performed poorly since, then exalt came back and replaced steel and the team continued being a fucking mess. Idk how yall gonna gonna blame yay for all this since some of this shit started before yay even joined but haters gonna hate ig.
Also their team can't even follow simple instructions its crazy. "Smoke window"
People also love to say he got beat by t2 players like that’s a problem. Narrate went to EMEA and dropped map kill record, oxy has been getting highlights left and right, demon1 was t2 then won a champions trophy the year he joined t1, koalanoob was close af to tier 1 and Johnqt who was also t2 joined sen and immediately they won Americas kickoff, governor went to apac and his debut match he was frying, bdog was former t1 and despite inconsistency can pop off huge, and oxygen the whole team, well, they kicked tier 1 teams’ ass. People use tier 2 as an insult as if there aren’t an abundance of their 2 players that are better than tier one players but because they were never in tier one orgs don’t wanna risk picking them up and some tier 2 teams are def better than some of the teams in tier 1
not related to your comment, i think ur mostly correct honestly however how many more chances do you believe yay should get
I mean it depends on how he does later this year. If he’s performing then I don’t think he’s necessary the problem. If he’s still performing poorly then yeah he’s the issue. Realistically he hasn’t been the real problem yet. C9 cut him due to money and also due to them signing 4 duelist players so they cut the most costly one, I don’t think that’s on yay. Dsg, like I said, was a cluster fuck before yay so i don’t think you can blame the whole thing on yay. I mean ffs the coach tried fucking Jett Reyna solo brim on pearl ‘cause he can’t come up with any strats and just went for raw fire power.
Crazy that yay had his epic fail of a performance and somehow the people around him are the ones getting cut.
Tate supporter>>>Y0y supporter
Shouldve benched yay.
So sad seeing this happen to him. IMO he was BLEED's best player in the match they played in Kickoff.
Fuck man he was one of my favorite players to watch..
The worst part is that he had offers from other teams. Very upseting to see such a talent go.
They picked up a tier 3 chamber one trick to bench one of their best players and form actual cohesive team comps and synergy. L bleed
Like this sucks, but I'm ngl if the guy you dropped instantly retires I really don't think he was the solution.
this is what happens with closed circuit system
To all the APAC and Singaporean fans, this is just how yay operates. If you don't perform and carry the chamber one trick in matches where he's bottom fragging you're cut. You're the IGL don't care you're cut (vanity and steel). I'm honestly surprised bleed didn't cut the head coach or even the social media team. Next bleed going to cut the team house cleaners for not cleaning yays room good enough
Vanity got cut along with yay...
Thia is some brain dead comment
El GM in full effect
Bro the ppl thinking this is yay's fault is crazy. If he retires after getting dropped surely it's his decision to leave his team to retire.
He is retiring cause the org is kicking him after 2 fucking games, do you expect him to grind t2 again to have a chance at tier 1 and get kicked again? Bleed just showed him that he has 0 security and it is not worth it for him to keep playing instead of securing a career outside of esports.
He performed the best and he got dropped? What security there gonna be. Bleed fucked him so hard.
Exactly
Surely he leaves franchising on his own after 2 games SURELY you think when you type I'm not saying it's yay's fault, but there's no way he left on his own. Getting dropped from Bleed, no leg to stand on, is probably hard to come back to MYSG tier 2, which is probably unsustainable for him. Best decision to go back to uni because of this
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Damn did he actually got an offer from PRX? That's so sad man being dropped by an org you choose after 2 matches.
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bro prolly regrets that so much, i feel for egoist, imagine prx with him woulda been crazy
https://preview.redd.it/4hpsmd2q8wmc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26ccea3ffa5a11f8ea6804fcedea69e281de4432
people will somehow blame yay for this when this is all bleed management's fault lmao they acquire yay who is known for his jett/chamber. they have egoist who overlaps with senti role and make yay flex instead. maps they won, almost won was him on duelist. surprise surprise.
Come to CS2 brother.