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Incelement

God that last 20 minutes was painful, did Adama have like 2 touches?


potpan0

Last 20 minutes was poor, but at the same time I'm not sure what the players were meant to do when every time we got the ball in their half they'd foul us then spend 5 minutes rolling on the floor 'injured'. Ref needed to clamp down by handing out a yellow for every single cynical foul, but he completely lost control. Also, like, it's 32 degrees out there. Players were probably fucking spent.


That_Charming_Otter

Really poor. Don't think we played him into the game as much as we should have. What an opportunity in 35°C heat against tiring legs to throw him on. Did nothing, probably a testament to his lack of a pre-season.


kelvin_bot

35°C is equivalent to 95°F, which is 308K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)


xFennySnek

Why the fuck do we miss so many sitters


potpan0

Really does seem like a confidence issue. I remember in our first season back in the Prem we'd be getting one chance a game and winning 1-0. Now we've getting more chances but failing to convert them. Still, I think it's better to persist than try and make radical changes.


AKiger17

1 point between Leeds and Fulham just won’t cut it. Not even close.


2eyeshut

How close?


itsjavigold

I brought it up on the match thread but Collins and Kilman have been solid as can be and it’s extremely positive imo considering one of the biggest issues last season was weak CB play.


[deleted]

Mitrovic is exactly the type of striker who gave us nightmares before too, definitely an improvement to keep him quiet.


potpan0

Quite, he managed two against Liverpool last week but didn't get a single sniff today other than the penalty. I thought generally our defence did really good at preventing Fulham from getting chances, and honestly Dendoncker did a great job at disrupting their midfield. Palhinha who?


EvilYoshiX

They were fantastic today and easily the main positive of the game. we've had 5 man defences torn apart by mitrovic in the past but he was pocketed today.


2eyeshut

He has scored 1 goal against us ever. We've kept 4 clean sheets against Fulham in a row.


EvilYoshiX

Weird stat obsession but you do you fam.


2eyeshut

Weird bullshit obsession...


EvilYoshiX

Well done, in what was supposed to be a very positive discussion about how well our defenders played today vs a striker that was on fire last week, you've somehow managed to squeeze and obsess over the most pedantic of points just for the sake of lashing out. That 1 game where he did score is probably the game I'm thinking of as per my comment, I didn't technically refer to their been multiple of said matches. But yes well done, you have clearly shown me what for, can I have your postcode so I can mail you your medal? Bravo sir, bravo.


MagicNipple

Come on boys, let's just stop with the bickering for fucks sake. I love you all, and fuck off.


EvilYoshiX

I am just simply acknowledging my metaphorical owning at the hands of my clear fan superior sir. All of a sudden 1 pt from 2 games, a final third that looks as blunt as ever, defenders playing really well, turns out none of that really matters because I overstated mitrovic's historical success vs our years gone by sides. Words cannot express my embarrassment, it will not happen again.


super_llama

Are you ok?


kujos1280

The only positive for me sadly, the rest was all pretty average to bad. Neves did ok.


WonderboyUK

They both looked really solid. Collins stepping into the strikers as the ball is played was really effective.


2eyeshut

They've been solid but knocking our CBs from last year is ridiculous


itsjavigold

Also one of my biggest questions right now is, if every one is healthy what’s the starting XI look like? My assumption right now based on previous lineups is a 4231 of Jimenez Neto Guedes Podence. Neves Donk/Mouthinho Jonny Collins Kilman Semedo


potpan0

Honestly I think Dendoncker has justified his place in the starting XI over the past two games, he's played very effectively in both. On the back of the last two games I'd have MGW in for Podence. It's very close between all four of Neto, Guedes, Podence and MGW though, and it'll be useful to be able to rotate them throughout the season. Also probably RAN in for Jonny. I think RAN's made some silly mistakes over the past two games, but he offers a lot more going forward than Jonny. I think a big reason we looked a little weak offensively down the right today was because Jonny can't really advance the ball and make overlapping runs like Semedo and RAN can.


2eyeshut

Switch MGW with Guedes and move him on right with Podence. Moutinho over Donk. Jonny/Ait-Nouri at LB


[deleted]

Neto and Jimenez both have had offsetting long term injuries so there are almost two years of them barely playing together, but imagine Neto having a proper target.


WonderboyUK

Frustrating game, lots of little bugbears for me. Hwang played well for 10 minutes then disappeared as normal. RAN his usual mix of liability/great attacking football. Podence was poor throughout in a game begging for a fast aggressive winger. Why Adama wasn't on for him after 60 minutes is really shocking. Taking Neto off, either a fitness thing or just a really dumb call from Bruno. People will hate me for saying this but I just don't see why MGW is hyped up as worth more than £40m. He played ok, lots of energy, played a few balls out of play, overcooked a few passes and missed an open goal. He's not bad at all but I'm increasingly liking NF's £35m for him if he won't commit long term. Between that, the ref failing to send mitrovic off, and Fulham's persistent time wasting it was a frustrating game to watch personally.


Dawesy182

Remember to add the English tax onto Gibbs white


potpan0

Don't forget that Neto is still coming off injury. Especially given the heat I think it makes sense to take him off early rather than Podence, even if Podence wasn't playing as well.


EvilYoshiX

Yeah I wanted to keep MGW but if forest are offering us the 35-40m id be open to it at this point tbh. Only issue is it doesn't give us much time to reinvest it this window, esp given how badly the club have struggled sealing transfer deals this summer.


That_Charming_Otter

MGW was MOTM for me today, barring maybe Collins. Thought he was excellent. One of the few whose energy didn't drop, played some nice passes and showed great passion.


kujos1280

Wow MGW motm, not sure how you get there. So many blind flicks around corners going nowhere. Only Kilman or Collins in the frame for Motm other than the pen save.


That_Charming_Otter

Perhaps I'm being a pinch hyperbolic. But I was really impressed with him today. Easily our best attacking option and gave us a lot going forward by comparison. Excellent energy levels, even for a long, heated game. Not afraid to give it to Mitrovic either 😂 Maybe I'm just extra eager to see him succeed, but I thought he did well. Was very surprised to see the level of stick, particularly on Twitter, he was getting. I must have watched a different game! Collins and Kilman are a classy combination; both excellent again.


potpan0

Yeah I don't think he had a poor game in any respects.


433DefensiveFTW

Christ, never gonna understand what people see in MGW. Based on that showing today we're insane to turn down 30 Mil let alone 45.


WonderboyUK

I thought he had lots of energy but I didn't think he linked up play particularly well, gave the ball away a lot with silly flick ons or wayward passes. Wasn't as bad as Podence though tbf.


trilliveythefourth

Don’t agree podence was poor throughout - easily was the most creative player in our team today and with better finishing he would have bagged an assist. That defence splitting pass to Neto was incredible


WonderboyUK

Yeah he started ok but was pretty awful for large portions of the game. Losing the ball, not playing Guedes in at least 2 or 3 times. He's definitely better than that performance. I'm not sure how he was our most creative player, I thought Neto was a far better outlet today.


trilliveythefourth

Neto was always in the receiving end of creative passes, whereas Podence was supplying many of the passes. Still not his best game but I’m not sure outside of neves who was distributing the ball the most progressively


staralfur01

Jose Sa really got us one point here. What a lad! The centre backs remain cool all game. Another solid partnership building up like last season. Buying Hwang permanently is still questionable. Not sure what does he bring to the table aside from sales of some Korean shirts.


Levic1422

Rough game. Questionable ref performance, great Sa save, good formation. Really feel like we need a strong striker to come in the window. Our crosses are just begging for a finish.


HydraulicAG12

Frustrating as hell to watch that last 20-30 minutes. I like MGW, but that wide open cross he blasted into the 20th row from 6 yards is really poor. I feel like he’s trying almost too hard to do too many things. Hope we can sign and out and out striker before the deadline because we need one desperately!


superuglypotate

Why didn’t Sa get credited with a penalty save? Futmob doesn’t have it, FPL didn’t give him one


Chewitt321

Me and my mates were wondering this. Presumably it'll be added with the bonus points


Superrandy

Kilman, Collins, and Neves we’re fantastic. Donk, MGW, Neto, and Podence were mostly solid. Ait-Nouri played safe until he didn’t. And while he wasn’t terrible, I don’t think Jonny has the pace to play in a possession dominant side. He looks like he’s running in molasses out there. He was the slowest player on the pitch. Our biggest issue is finishing like always. But also our players have no feel for the game around the box. They all just run in and bunch up together. No one stays on the edge of the box for a cutback option. I watched Donk, Hwang, and one of the wingers hold hands too many times. Literally no feel for the game, move your asses and give the guy with the ball options. We desperately need a proper striker, and if they think Raul is that solution then they’re lost. His last open play goal was March 10th. He has only managed to get 3 of his last 16 shots on target. He’s not the answer.


FFTVS

Agree on Johnny. He’s had two major leg injuries back to back, so understandable that he’s lost a step or two. I guess we’ll see soon how the right side linkage will look with Guedes but MGW/Johnny have been largely non existent in build up play together. As an alternative, since we don’t add to our midfield ever, wouldn’t mind seeing a Johnny tryout at CM/CDM. Maybe some kind of 433 setup where he is at RCM in front of Semedo. He just shouldn’t be on the flanks for large stretches anymore, unless we’re are back in 5 man defense.


xFennySnek

What a frustrating game to watch


SMc97

Need a ST who can actually score consistently and a CM who competes with Moutinho and Dendoncker. If not, I can’t see it being any different to last season to the second half of last season.


[deleted]

Well if Man Utd keeps this up, they’re bang on favourites for relegation so at least there’s only two more spots to worry about.


TheJadeWalrus

Look like we’ve got an easy 6 points this season


Caspianwolf21

why are we struggling much with finishing?


433DefensiveFTW

All our forwards are the same type of player. Someone who can play anywhere in the forward 3 on either side but by prioritising people who can rotate position you never really get an out and out striker or goalscorer. I think we'll have more luck when Raul's back but it's not good that he's the only one we've got.


Will_from_PA

It should've been 3-0 today. Us missing sitters like that is peak Wolves. Thank god for Sa man.


xFennySnek

Hoping to see Guedes start from tommorow on


mttasrvrei

1 shot on target is not a good performance no matter how some people spin it. we’re not creating enough. a midfield signing is essential.


433DefensiveFTW

I agree but it irritates me that we're treating MGW like a new signing while Ronan's been sat on the bench for 2 games straight. We've been dire it can't hurt to give the lad a go.


profpoulet

So glad we have changed to a back four to enable this outstanding attacking football….


433DefensiveFTW

Part of me is in pain from having to watch whatever tf we've been the last two games but part of me can't help but find it amusing watching our treatment of Coady and the very effective Nuno system come back to bite us. It's a saving grace. Still, long live Bruno ball eh? 🤣


profpoulet

My thoughts exactly - so much hate for the 5 atb system when there are so many great teams that employ it…


That_Charming_Otter

Very disappointed. Totally ran out of steam in the second half, understandably given the heat. Subs made no tangible difference, but it was a lethargic second half. One conclusion I have reached is that MGW stays. MOTM today for us, barring maybe Collins, and I love his aggression. Played some excellent passes and kept going to the end


2eyeshut

I basically agree. But I think Neves was class today. Never seen him work so hard. Collins still looks nervous on the ball to me...reckon he will settle soon. Seems to play it back and sideways all the time and sometimes simple passes are over hit. 2 times he played it longer RAN had to head it to keep it in. Defensively solid though. About those passes...collins and kilman combined for almost 20% possession.


potpan0

At times he's looked a little uncomfortable, but at other times I thought he moved the ball forward really well. I think a bigger issue is that often our defenders don't really have any options to pass to. I posted the image in the match thread, but often our defenders would find themselves in positions like [this](https://i.imgur.com/nw1ngfY.png). Kilman and Collins would be at the back, the full-backs would push forward, and Neves would drop back. The issue was that Fulham would mark/press Neves, meaning he was unable to get the ball and turn. Our full-backs would push too far forward, meaning they weren't an option. So either the defenders had to pass between each other, or try a long ball. It didn't kill our attacking play, I think after I took this screenshot Collins did a long ball forward to Guedes which resulted in a half-chance. He it did limit our options a lot, and sometimes put the defenders under pressure.


That_Charming_Otter

>About those passes...collins and kilman combined for almost 20% possession. Are you serious? Is that a real stat or just a generalisation? Not calling you out, just genuinely curious. That's absolutely damning if 20% of our possession was with the two centre-backs.


2eyeshut

It's up to 19.8 now...I give up. But if these figures are close then Sa and the back 4 had more possession that the 6 ahead


2eyeshut

I just came back on here because I noticed whoscored had updated. It did say about 19.2 but now it's at 15.9. Neves and donk at 12.8. The front 4 including replacements is 15.5. So yeah, I think we need to be finding forward passes a lot more


That_Charming_Otter

>Neves and donk at 12.8. So that's Neves at 12% I presume 😂😂😂 Thanks for that, didn't realise WhoScored had stats for that.


potpan0

I don't think it helps that Guedes arrived like 2 days ago and Traore largely missed pre-season. In a week or two we'll see them making more of an impact.


That_Charming_Otter

Oh, absolutely. That's the very reasoning I had too, maybe should have said it. Was very frustrating though that Adama, every time he got on the ball, played a simple backwards pass. No, beat seven men like we know you can 😂


potpan0

Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if either we sell Adama on deadline day or if he spends the entire season largely checked out before going on a free. I can't imagine what it'd do to your head if you've gone from having your dream move back to Barcelona in the bag to turning back up at Compton.


433DefensiveFTW

The guy has never been good enough, hence why he lost the big move. He's just trouble now. The sooner he goes the better. Guedes' first touch was an outside the boot cross/pass/thing right to Rodak, so hardly looks like a great bit of business.


WolvoNeil

Starting off the season in relegation form against relegation candidates Its not looking good brev


433DefensiveFTW

This is the attacking revolution we all wanted tho eh? Lage isn't fit to wipe Nuno's arse. Only revolution here is that half the players want to leave the club.


Heineken_500ml

Traore, Hwang, Neto, Podence are the only good ones. The rest is garbage. Including the manager who plays 4 back so there is no midfield and forwards don't get good chances. Then he splurges 35m on Guedes. Guedes. Lol what a joke. 35m plus 40m from MGW would've been plenty for a massive upgrade to midfield/defence. Sell Nevez too. He's not as good as this sub thinks he is. Same shit every season. Shit manager, shit defence, shit midfield, fans wondering "why cant we score" And no. Ait Nouri is NOT a good defender.


melkodavid

lol what an absolutely ridiculous take 🤣🤣


Contr_L

Same as last week minus scoring a goal. Some nice play here and there but ultimately very little threat.


hammertown87

Same ol same ol Can’t be like Greece in 2002 and just get lucky on the way to the top.


Neves4prez

Honestly we blew our open goal chance. Did they time waste yes, should we of scored a goal yes, we played well enough to get points but didn’t capitalize on our chances. It’s on us to be better. Side not Ait-Nouri needs to play much better to be a starter