> I've tried googling, but can't kind anything definitive, and I have found in my reading of the core book yet, though granted, I'm not done with it.
Well, you've answered your own question there.
Of course you can play any faction against any other faction, including the same faction.
That was one of the things we were thinking about. Right now I'm building SW and he is building Necrons and Thousand Sons/Tzeentch (gods, I hope I spelled that correctly). So we will have three to work with. Just debating on also doing Thousand Sons because they are my absolute favorite.
There are in lore reasons for just about any faction fighting amongst themselves. Mostly for internal power struggles or accusations of heresy in the imperium. There are even space marine chapters who feasibly go to war against there own chapter.
About the only one that doesn't immediately jump out at me is the Aeldari, but I don't know their lore that well so I'm sure the craftworlds can have their differences and end up fighting.
Chaos all fight internally for power and dominance, as do the various Necron Lords. I would say it isn't even that far'fetched for two companies of space wolves to get in a disagreement that ends in blows.
Craftworlds could, would be painful for everyone involved but if a seer sees it the only way to prevent something terrible from happening, well, needs must
I figured as much lore-wise, but wasn't sure how it would translate over into rules. I know very little about the game itself right now, I've mostly been going nuts over lore. Just now getting to where I can think about getting more models besides my SW combat patrol. Thank you!
I'm just imagining Ahriman and the Thousand Sons going through the Warp and popping out to see themselves from the past or the future, Pointing Spider-Man meme + Vegeta "Is that Me stronger than Me, I'll kill Me!" meme, and a brawl ensues.
Could you not just pilot your partner’s army if you want to play Necrons or Tsons?
There’s 20+ factions, if you want to start a new one I’d definitely select one you didn’t already have access to. That being said to answer your question directly, yes you can have the same faction fight each other no problem.
Just considering it, because the Thousand Sons we have are his to build and paint, and as they are my favorite faction, I was considering getting my own so that I can do so freely. You are definitely right though, it would probably be better to get another we don't have just to mix it up, just debating.
Thank you for the info!
This helped both answer my question, and helped make my brain be okay with the craziness of two of the same dudes being on the same battlefield. It was hurting my brain. Thank you so much. Lol
No problem.
For example the lion in a recent book fought with warp entities that took the forms of his brothers, Leman russ went through Thors trials in the fenrisian underverse, there are dozens or even hundreds of shards of magnus the red etc etc.
Heck I just read a novel (audiobook) that justified catachan versus catachan.
(Spoilers)
A catachan force went to meet a human tribe, demons attacked, the catachans couldn't land a hit on them, some started going insane but it was a demonic trick to make them fight eachother. Straken figures it out and surrenders to what he perceives as demons after figuring it they were his men. The catachans skill described as demons was terrifying.
Boom lore example of people on as much the same side as possible fighting eachother.
I recently listened to a video talking about those instances of Leman and the Lion. I can't wait to go read for myself. Also, the one about Jaghatai Khan encountering the shards of Magnus' soul.
That other one sounds cool as hell, I'll have to go read that. Actually did something like that in a D&D campaign. My players investigated "rats in the basement" for a shop owner who was terrified of rats. They got down there, and one player whose family was killed by vampires saw those vampires, another who was a saw pit fighter saw his master, etc., but it was all spores from a mushroom that was making them see their worst fears and fight each other... That fireball did not end well. Lol
You obviously have experience making narratives, the Warhammer universe is flexible and open enough to basically come up with anything.
The nature of the setting is rooted in developing a war game, the lore needed to accomodate wars happening between every faction including themselves.
This is a setting where unaugmemted humans fight space wizards and Dino bugs, orks are made of fungus and reproduce asexually through violence, space elves $&#<×> a demon God into existence and tragedies and emotion break into realspace, get called daemons and make people go insane. Not to mention we have super soldiers who fight using chainsaws.
Gw contrived excuses for the coolest setting in existence and didn't shy away from what was necessary to make it make sense. Rule of cool is basically a form of magic due to faith and emotion affecting the warp that mirrors realspace.
You can even use your own narrative for armies fighting eachother, like necrons traveling to a planet to retrieve a lost artifact only to see the previously desolate planet overgrown with forests, they get onto the planet and get ambushed by another group of necrons, they slowly begin to recognize its their own empire fighting them Till the lord begins to fight himself, in the end he comes to the realization the planet has become a daemonworld of nurgle, the life growing exists in various stages of decay and is releasing demonic spores that by all accounts shouldn't affect the inorganic necrons yet the toxins manage to affect even the unliving constructs and were a very specific plague lovingly crafted by a greater daemon over a thousand years specifically for this day.
Narratively whoever wins was the real necron army and the other was the fake Illusion.
If I knew, would I ask? I know Space Marines can play against Space Marines, just wasn't sure if a faction could play against the exact same faction. Lore-wise, infighting certainly makes sense, just wasn't sure about rules. I know very little about the rules of the game for the moment, been learning lore and background first. Now trying to figure out who I'm going to go with.
> I've tried googling, but can't kind anything definitive, and I have found in my reading of the core book yet, though granted, I'm not done with it. Well, you've answered your own question there. Of course you can play any faction against any other faction, including the same faction.
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That was one of the things we were thinking about. Right now I'm building SW and he is building Necrons and Thousand Sons/Tzeentch (gods, I hope I spelled that correctly). So we will have three to work with. Just debating on also doing Thousand Sons because they are my absolute favorite.
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I think that's the plan. Thank you!
Of course it’s perfectly fine and there are many reasons in universe that could cause it to happen, especially with chaos legions and Necrons
Lore-wise, I can definitely see it, but just wasn't sure about rules. Thank you!
There are in lore reasons for just about any faction fighting amongst themselves. Mostly for internal power struggles or accusations of heresy in the imperium. There are even space marine chapters who feasibly go to war against there own chapter. About the only one that doesn't immediately jump out at me is the Aeldari, but I don't know their lore that well so I'm sure the craftworlds can have their differences and end up fighting. Chaos all fight internally for power and dominance, as do the various Necron Lords. I would say it isn't even that far'fetched for two companies of space wolves to get in a disagreement that ends in blows.
Craftworlds could, would be painful for everyone involved but if a seer sees it the only way to prevent something terrible from happening, well, needs must
I figured as much lore-wise, but wasn't sure how it would translate over into rules. I know very little about the game itself right now, I've mostly been going nuts over lore. Just now getting to where I can think about getting more models besides my SW combat patrol. Thank you!
I'm just imagining Ahriman and the Thousand Sons going through the Warp and popping out to see themselves from the past or the future, Pointing Spider-Man meme + Vegeta "Is that Me stronger than Me, I'll kill Me!" meme, and a brawl ensues.
Yes you can, although mirror matches are usually less fun.
Makes sense why that would be, but for learning, wouldn't be so bad. Thank you!
Yes, absolutely. Space Wolf bar fights can sometimes get a bit out of control.
My kind of guys. Glad I chose them as my first. Lol
Could you not just pilot your partner’s army if you want to play Necrons or Tsons? There’s 20+ factions, if you want to start a new one I’d definitely select one you didn’t already have access to. That being said to answer your question directly, yes you can have the same faction fight each other no problem.
Just considering it, because the Thousand Sons we have are his to build and paint, and as they are my favorite faction, I was considering getting my own so that I can do so freely. You are definitely right though, it would probably be better to get another we don't have just to mix it up, just debating. Thank you for the info!
40k is wild, and you can always just say "the warp made me do it" if you need to justify 2 ahrimans on the field
This helped both answer my question, and helped make my brain be okay with the craziness of two of the same dudes being on the same battlefield. It was hurting my brain. Thank you so much. Lol
No problem. For example the lion in a recent book fought with warp entities that took the forms of his brothers, Leman russ went through Thors trials in the fenrisian underverse, there are dozens or even hundreds of shards of magnus the red etc etc. Heck I just read a novel (audiobook) that justified catachan versus catachan. (Spoilers) A catachan force went to meet a human tribe, demons attacked, the catachans couldn't land a hit on them, some started going insane but it was a demonic trick to make them fight eachother. Straken figures it out and surrenders to what he perceives as demons after figuring it they were his men. The catachans skill described as demons was terrifying. Boom lore example of people on as much the same side as possible fighting eachother.
I recently listened to a video talking about those instances of Leman and the Lion. I can't wait to go read for myself. Also, the one about Jaghatai Khan encountering the shards of Magnus' soul. That other one sounds cool as hell, I'll have to go read that. Actually did something like that in a D&D campaign. My players investigated "rats in the basement" for a shop owner who was terrified of rats. They got down there, and one player whose family was killed by vampires saw those vampires, another who was a saw pit fighter saw his master, etc., but it was all spores from a mushroom that was making them see their worst fears and fight each other... That fireball did not end well. Lol
You obviously have experience making narratives, the Warhammer universe is flexible and open enough to basically come up with anything. The nature of the setting is rooted in developing a war game, the lore needed to accomodate wars happening between every faction including themselves. This is a setting where unaugmemted humans fight space wizards and Dino bugs, orks are made of fungus and reproduce asexually through violence, space elves $&#<×> a demon God into existence and tragedies and emotion break into realspace, get called daemons and make people go insane. Not to mention we have super soldiers who fight using chainsaws. Gw contrived excuses for the coolest setting in existence and didn't shy away from what was necessary to make it make sense. Rule of cool is basically a form of magic due to faith and emotion affecting the warp that mirrors realspace. You can even use your own narrative for armies fighting eachother, like necrons traveling to a planet to retrieve a lost artifact only to see the previously desolate planet overgrown with forests, they get onto the planet and get ambushed by another group of necrons, they slowly begin to recognize its their own empire fighting them Till the lord begins to fight himself, in the end he comes to the realization the planet has become a daemonworld of nurgle, the life growing exists in various stages of decay and is releasing demonic spores that by all accounts shouldn't affect the inorganic necrons yet the toxins manage to affect even the unliving constructs and were a very specific plague lovingly crafted by a greater daemon over a thousand years specifically for this day. Narratively whoever wins was the real necron army and the other was the fake Illusion.
Love it. And crazy narratives, I can handle. Thanks!
Dark Angels, World Eaters and Orks canonically do this all the time
Awesome, thank you.
So, at a tournament, do you really think two space marines players can’t play against each other?
You have to quickly repaint all their bolters as NERF guns so you can call it a training exercise
If I knew, would I ask? I know Space Marines can play against Space Marines, just wasn't sure if a faction could play against the exact same faction. Lore-wise, infighting certainly makes sense, just wasn't sure about rules. I know very little about the rules of the game for the moment, been learning lore and background first. Now trying to figure out who I'm going to go with.