I really think Chris did it. He only started saying it was Shanann because the cops opened that door. Then he switched back and forth in the years since the murders. All that nonsense tells me he’s a liar and he probably did all of it and just wanted to blame someone.
Yes, but all of the "changes" were made up by other people trying to make money off of the crime. There were, and still are, money grubbing liars still making bucks off the murder by making up bullshit. Neek's Peeks for instance. Complete bullshit.
That’s not entirely true Tammy was really trying to hype herself up when she said she tricked cw and he ran with it while cw was at his parents house before they returned back to Colorado cw wrote a to whom it may concern letter saying he’s not suicidal and wouldn’t hurt his wife at his parents request so they have it in case shit hit the fan when cw left sw they knew cw was gonna be dealing with sw’s wrath for leaving and preparing him for nutgate 8.0 when sw finally realized she didn’t have cw under her control anymore
This. Also, CW knew nobody would believe him if he said SW killed the kids. So when Tammy actually asked if that’s what happened, CW was thinking he may have a shot at telling the truth and the detectives believing him. He was adamant that forensics test SWs hands way in the beginning too. I think this speaks volumes.
I have always believed that too his lawyer said even though they were in the tanks there could be evidence but his lawyer worked for the state and the prosecution worked for the state on the opposite side so it was state vs state and cw lost but if he had a criminal defense lawyer and not a public defender the state wouldn’t pay and I think the test would have been done they put bags on sw’s hands to test them I wonder what the results were since sw didn’t have contact with b&c since she left for az if they had the girls DNA or skin cells it would prove she killed them I never heard the results being released though so I now wonder why it was said they were testing her hands to see if she had any of her killers DNA under her nails
That's not true.
He wrote a letter about it weeks prior when they were visiting in North Carolina.
CW wrote that he feared for his safety on account of SW increasingly unhinged and concerning behavior..
This letter was written at the urging of his family after SW threw a psychotic tantrum bc CW "defied her" and went to visit his family for a few hours before they left back home to Coloradom
In response to CW "disobeying" SW, not only did she blow up his phone the entire time, ensuring she made him miserable while visiting his family, but she DEMANDED that he come home and drive back during a massive wind storm with his elderly parents in the car.
In the meantime, SW ripped the head off of CECE barbie doll and made that cryptic post about it in social media.
They knew that wasn't CECE
Given how Chris describes how he killed them (confessions are generally considered to be pretty good evidence as an aside), what physical evidence would you expect to see that does not exist?
As far as WE know there's zero evidence. But that doesn't mean that evidence doesn't exist. This entire case was wrapped up as quickly as possible, and how CW was railroaded to not stand trial, makes me suspicious. Very suspicious.
He was kept in solitary confinement, in a paper gown, sleeping on a concrete floor with inmates screaming that they were going to kill him, for over 3 months. He was also under a gag order and was only allowed to speak to his attorneys. The DA had an election coming up and needed to tie this case up with a red bow. They completely broke him and IMO promised to move him to a safer prison if he took a plea.
The law or the operation of law isn't perfect. Mistakes are made, elections are involved and CW, inexperienced and idiot that he was, made it so easy for them. I agree, a lot was left out. Rush to judgement creates unrest, regardless of whether he's guilty of killing everyone or not. Add children into the equation and even a not guilty person will fold under duress. It's been proven time and again.
Yeah none of that is really unusual for people who are arrested after dumping their dead kids in oil tanks.
Again, you can make up any story you want, have fun, but it's not supported by any facts.
Also Tammy Lee states in one of her many interviews that when told to stop it was done. She exclaimed but we aren't done yet....
Also all evidence (if any) was destroyed
I know. IF Shannann killed the kids he destroyed any evidence when he killed her and then hid the bodies. That's why I think Chris took the plea deal. He had no chance. We'll probably never know the truth.
Doesn't he keep talking about getting out one day? That doesn't make sense either. Why would he think that?!
No matter what happened he is where he belongs. He murdered, hid the bodies and lied about it.
The question to me is what was going on with Shannann? I think she was crazy and possibly evil after watching her SM videos and texts.
That's not a reason to take a plea deal. It's a reason to not take a plea deal for two murders you didn't commit.
I don't know the answer why he's talking about getting out one day. But that has nothing to do with my statement about there being no evidence that Shannan killed the kids.
Have you watched the Neeks Peeks videos about the Watts murders? Ultimately my post is about them and how they have influenced my belief about this case and completely changed my mind.
There is none because he killed Shannann and put the kids' bodies in oil tanks to hide that he committed murder. There is, however, a ridiculous amount of video evidence that Shannann was an abusive mother and severely mentally ill. That evidence is in the Neeks Peeks' videos that she compiled.
Did anyone in this thread say they had evidence she did it? I certainly didn't. Do I believe she did it or was capable of doing it? Yeah. I used to believe it was Chris but I have changed my mind after watching the Neek's Peeks video series. I could change my mind again but lack of physical evidence isn't convincing me.Something is not right with the official narrative when everything I know so far is taken into account. Too many weird oddities.
I 💯% agree. I believe the only reason ppl excuse her behavior is because she was a murder victim. Looking at her behavior and all the things she posted on SM, the treatment the children, her text, her complete selfishness... just no way ppl can't see that she was not a good person.
Toxic. The word you are looking for is toxic. If SW hadn’t died, and people saw her videos today, there would be yelling from the rooftops that SW was a “toxic mom” and abused her children & husband.
I agree with Neeks being brilliant. I agree that SW had MBP and was nuttier than a fruitcake that Cece could have eaten. However, I don’t agree with your last point and I never really got that from Neeks’ videos. I think that SW was able to be a raving, narcissistic headcase and yet still become the victim of murder along with her children. I don’t agree with the official narrative-I think that something happened that most people never consider…….but Neeks is fantastic and she is spot on about what was going on prior to the tragedy.
That doesn’t make much sense though does it? You’re willing to admit all of these things about SW, but somehow Chris was the one who killed them all? Come on.. occams razor here.
Not sure why it doesn’t make sense when there is no concrete evidence to suggest that SW was responsible. Maybe it doesn’t make sense to you, but there’s more than enough evidence to support the sobering likelihood of this crime having been premeditated.
SW could have had multiple personality disorders but Chris Watts isn’t normal either. Psychopathy does NOT automatically point to someone being guilty of murder, and although Chris has never told the truth, he wasn’t covering up for SW-not in my opinion anyway. He didn’t care about her enough to cover up for her. I personally don’t think that he murdered the girls but I don’t think that SW murdered anyone either.
i think cw killed them all. it doesn’t ring true to me that he saw her strangling the one kid on a baby monitor and saw the other kid on a monitor too. and then just took it as fact that both of his kids were gone? i just can’t imagine a scenario where he wouldn’t go in there and try to revive them or even be sure that they were actually dead and he never talked about that. people say he was in shock but i feel like he would have panicked and at least gone in to see the kids and make sure there was no hope before he snapped and killed sw.
That was all said during the coerced, forced Wisconsin prison interview. Chris Watts, being a people pleaser and afraid for his and his family’s lives used bits and pieces that Cadle and that psychic said. He just said what he felt he had to say to keep his family safe.
what do you mean by keep his family safe? to me, blaming sw for the kids murders falls right in line with people pleasing. he didn’t want to tell his dad he killed the kids. he hasn’t been on record ever saying anything about how he knew for sure his kids were dead before he killed sw.
It was obviously Shannon that killed the girls. She showed us all a very long history of many, severe and dangerous personality disorders.
Ronnie was Chris’ idol, his hero, he would not lie to his dad. Also, notice how Ronnie doesn’t react when he hears that Shannon killed the kids? He was not at all surprised, he and his family had suffered her wrath for a very long time and knew exactly what Shannon was like. They anticipated Shannon’s violent, vindictive response to Chris telling her that he was leaving……thus the August 6,2018 letter.
Chris Watts said right from the start that Shannon killed the girls and he then killed her. He never wavered from that confession. He signed the plea deal, under duress, in November 2018 and was sentenced to LWOP and sent to a prison in Wisconsin. The plea deal was bad. Watts continued to state that he didn’t kill the girls even after his sentencing, even after the case was closed. Chris was stating this publicly and was even talking to authors about it. This would have invalidated the plea and the case would be remanded to trial. Rourke could not have that, he had a political career to maintain as well as his law license so, he sent Colorado law enforcement all of the way up to the Wisconsin prison to threaten Watts, he had to state publicly that he harmed his girls or his life and/or the lives of his family members would be in danger. This, unfortunately, happens frequently in our CJ system.
Yes, he said it right after the murders but, he never said it afterwards until he was threatened 3 months after the sentencing. Do you have any documentation that he ever said that he killed the girls, even at his sentencing hearing and up until the time that law enforcement ‘visited’ and threatened him? (BTW, no one needs to be told to blame someone else for their actions. Watts just never thought that law enforcement would believe that Shannon had killed the girls because she had gotten away with lies and deception all of her life. Once the cops read Shannon’s SM and had interviewed their friends, they came back and described Shannon’s controlling and abusive ways to a ‘T’…..Watts was like, WOW!! They figured her out! They believe that Shannon would do something that horrific.).
you have a lot of opinion as fact going on in your theories. all i asked you was where it was documented that he ever said it was sw who killed the girl’s after that first confession. anyone can see what sw was like but it’s cw version of events that does not sound right to me, you can think what you want to just like everyone else can.
Simple answer, no. Chris Watts never wavered from his initial confession until that February 2019 interview. He continually stated that Shannon killed the girls and he killed her. Of course Chris’ version ‘does not sound right’, he was making it up on the fly after his life was threatened. Even the DA came out after that ‘confession’ and said that only ‘some of Chris’ confession matched the evidence’…..yet, there he is, in prison for LWOP. Does that make sense? Does it make sense that law enforcement would travel all of the way up to Wisconsin to meet with a convicted and sentenced man whose case was closed 3 months prior?!!?
I personally can’t get behind the SW killed the girls theory. CW’s actions after he killed SW just do not reflect a parent who had nothing to do with their children’s murders. Hiding their bodies in an oil tank is not a sign of an innocent parent.
Plus how does him saying he killed them all even remotely look better than telling the “truth”?
Ya no he killed the girls and SW. there is 0 evidence that SW killed the girls, he just latched onto that train thinking it would make him appear less evil but that didn’t last long as he realized the evidence all pointed one way … I can’t believe there are ppl who think SW killed the girls, scary world.
Chris should not have cheated, and NK should not have had an affair with a married man. He should not have lied. He dug himself into a gigantic mess and I think he underestimated how crazy Shannann was. They were ALL bad. Chris Watts, Shannann and NK. The only victims in this story were the poor kids.
Women have killed their children before. It's not completely unheard of. After watching all her SM videos and comments/texts, I believe she was batshit crazy and would destroy everyone around her before they could shatter her carefully constructed grandiose image of her perfect life.
No problem! I am not trying to offend anyone or bash a murdered woman and domestic violence victim. I genuinely am starting to believe this after watching hours and hours of those videos that Neeks Peeks compiled. I can't stop thinking about this case. It's been years and I keep reading and watching everything I can about it because it just doesn't make sense. I am glad that I could share this and not get completely trashed by others. I don't know the truth about what happened. It's definitely mind warping.
Doesn't matter that women have killed their children there is no evidence that SW killed her daughters. And zero evidence that he killed her anywhere other than on their bed in their room.
No telephone call to or from NK to devise any plan.. and imagining NK told him to take them to his work site in a truck she knew was monitored is his every movement. Why would she support his reversing his truck on to drive for the first time ever and then losing them, knowing that at that time it would be getting light and that people have security cameras.
NKs approach to police told them nothing the didn't already know. As she was interviewing with them they already had drone assessment of cervi 319 in place, they already knew from his car and phone tracking.
She had a full digital alibi confirmed to media by Weld County police dept, being at home or work throughout Sunday evening and all day. And no communication with CW all night or day. He created a pathetic plan to dispose of their bodies that I cannot imagine anyone else in the world would have supported.. it was a clear way to get caught. IMO if he had contacted someone else they would have called 911 as soon as they got off the phone. Had evidence matched his account he likely would have been a free man, or at least close to it.
Have you watched the Neek's Peeks video series on the Watts murders?
[https://www.youtube.com/@NEEKSPEEKS](https://www.youtube.com/@NEEKSPEEKS)
I am not defending Chris Watts, Nichol Kessinger at all. I am just stating my belief after watching the evidence compiled there. You know there is something not right with this whole case. That is why so many people are still so obsessed by it.
I think people are obsessed with it because of the social media presence of SW (so much footage and a lot of it cringe with her MLM bs) and also because CW was so… submissive/docile/obedient (can’t think of the right word) for so long and this was so far out of character. Like people could wrap their head around him killing his wife since he was having an affair and fell out of love and she was a bossy bleotch at times, but how on earth did he do that to those kids!? Insane. That’s why people are still talking about it, imo.
Also- I’m sorry the fact he shoved the girls into OIL TANKS tells me he didn’t care at all about them. If SW had killed the girls and he was so enraged and upset about it, would he then go on to degrade their bodies like that? That is brutal
People are obsessed with it for individual reasons that pertain to their own lives. The people who incessantly criticize sw are what they claim she was. The people who see what CW is, have likely had someone like that in their life.
Have you even watched the videos she posted of her teasing, drugging, withholding food and water from her kids? Incessant unnecessary doctor visits and procedures on them? So the people who criticize her for doing these things are doing the same things and are like her? Yeah, right.
People criticize her because they feel bad for her innocent children who were treated badly.
Dude, I watched her videos as they unfolded. People are imagining they see things that they don't. There's nothing unusual about her life. The "teasing, drugging, withholding food and water" are pure stretch of the imagination based on a couple seconds of life. Anyone who ever had kids could be painted this way. It's completely absurd.
Ummmm….no. You are very much mistaken. People who criticize SW see her as a problematic person and a polarizing victim. It has absolutely nothing to do with having anything in common with her. In fact, I would argue that it is her defenders who can relate to her for one reason or another, and this is evidenced by the fact that they get so vicious and hateful about being realistic about the truth. They are used to making all manner of excuses for her, even if they have to do backwards somersaults to come up with something that makes sense (to them) regarding her deplorable behavior.
Nah, I'm not wrong at all. I've watched it unfold and who says what. It's obvious what kind of people are saying the things they are saying. They are self identifying merely by saying it.
Edit: lol at who is vicious. People are completely ridiculous at their criticisms of her. "She drugged the kids" - we watched them get their diagnosis of allergies so yes, kids take benedryl for that. That's why it's sold in stores. "She didn't immediately give them what they begged for, she must be starving them and withholding water" - again lol, She'd be a shit parent if she dropped what she was doing and gave in to their whining. It's obvious they weren't starving. Any decent parent would teach them to wait. If anything, she over indulged them. The stuff people criticize is completely unhinged, and coming from a few youtubers that are making huge money off of getting people to join their abuser crowd.
You’re not the brightest bulb in the firmament, but you’re undeniably competitively up for the top tier of the self righteous and willfully ignorant. Not a great combination, but no doubt it’s your comfort zone and better that you remain smugly comfortable with your opinions than try to entertain any other concepts which might entail too many things for your mind to comprehend much less think about!
Nope-just tired of your narrow scope of knowledge on the subject of Shannan’s abysmal performance record as a mother and a human. The unoriginal deductions that you’re committed to are no longer relevant. Just because inconvenient truths are not your bag doesn’t mean that everyone else should dumb themselves down to coddle your fantasies!
It's you that has a narrow scope of knowledge of her. You watched a few snips of video that conveniently leave out context. Anyone on youtube can be made into an imaginary person, just like Neeks Peeks has done with this case. I knew these people long before you did.
You’re not only dead wrong, your biases are so overblown and distorted that it would take a forklift to dislodge even the smallest misconception! It’s like you’ve got your mind made up and not one shred of logic would make sense to you. Shannan was TOO patient? Okay-let me guffaw at that for a moment because you win the dumb Shiner award for April 25th! 😂😂🤣
Quite the opposite in my situation, I knew someone exactly like SW.. i heard the lies she told her husband to create hatred between him and family already 500miles away. Had her try to make me lie, had grandiose plans to sue her employers or/and get an ill health pension fraudulently.
I watched month after month as she got new credit cards, as she got loans to consolidate old loans without telling her husband.
I saw the emotional trauma and fear she put her children through, her hypochondria... her migraines removed by aspirin so she could sell with MLM schemes too.
Similarities are uncanny.
Not sure why her husband stays, it's not a life to envy.
Yet she'd never hurt her kids, they became too much of her identity. She helped me see where SW was coming from, how a man is able to sit bad and tolerate that type of life.
CW and Nk were together just 6 weeks and in that time his wife was gone, easy to believe a trial separation given his ability to lie too. Have never known anyone capable of hurting their kids in a physical way, I don't believe they were part of his 'fantasy' to be free of SW. I can believe his dissociation from what had happened via my job, his sense of autopilot after leaving for work, of not knowing how to free himself from what he'd done, stress hormones and adrenaline are powerful chemicals responsible for some crazy decision making by people that had even accidentally ended a life. I cannot understand why he chose to dump their bodies in the oil tanks beyond the 'not thinking but just acting from fear' but he still gets not an ounce of sympathy from me.
He had multiple opportunities to come clean and confess before he did. His behaviour and lies while he knew exactly where his family were, allowing them further lack of respect just despicable. For the lies he has told since, for how he has tried to play the same game as YTube fools trying to solve the crime.. he deserves every millisecond in prison, hopefully seeing those little girls every time he closes his eyes.
He'd already told her he was done.. there was nothing apart from possible threats that stopped him seeing a lawyer that Friday afternoon, sending her to NAs on return with appointment on Monday to discuss the girls custody. Never laying s hand of her.. she might not have been a perfect wife for him, but she deserved her life. It goes without saying his actions towards Bella and cece need nothing less than the torture I really hooe come in his dreams and every moment he isn't distracted.He had so many other options.. sadly not unique. Only this week another father ended his wife and children's lifes and I learnt of a man murdered to solve his wife's criminal and dishonest life events!
Divorce needs to be the only option when some feels able to end their partners entire life!
What is nonsense, and what exactly is a 'money grubber'? Maybe you meant grabber. Lol
I don't like YT for thus reason, when the money overrides evidence and people begging for subs so they can share their opinions.
So far no one has had a penny from me, it was supposed to be about sharing thoughts and ideas about things.
These days the more outrageous the more views and the more money.. so many opt for that deliberately. Its completely unfair to the real people behind these events.
People need to use the report feature more often imo.
Sorry Neeks, I know you are here too, maybe I would offer support if the system wasn't so messed up over there. But I do mostly agree with your content. ;o)
No, I meant money grubber. A person who is grubbing for money. Digging through the dirt and slop like a pig and making up bullshit stories that people like you fall for. Neeks Peeks has been doing that since the beginning of the case. They did it before this case. They will do it after. They make up complete bullshit and people like yourself take it as facts and then get on their bandwagon to "take a deep dive" into the case. But everything they're saying is their movie script and not reality.
Yes, people have made money off you simply by you watching or reading their fantasy.
I only ever got involved on YT to correct their stupidity... got told I knew nothing, but I could read the discovery and Internet better than them.
I haven't changed my viewpoint since spring 2019, most of what us online is said to incite anger, get views or just about pure hatred.
Opinions on facts are one thing, am happy to judge them when completely false. Some stuff is still redacted though, and even CW in denial by defending his marriage, her income and happiness after he had told people the reality of his marriage and how much he hated the debt. His parents only learnt about 2015 bankruptcy after the murders, they thought he was still doing okay for himself. But they get judged for disliking SW.. I think they were justified in their opinion given how her life and marriages progressed. But express that and they are to blame for his actions? Because they didn't like SW. Only CW was responsible for what he did.. hence him rotting in prison for eternity.
Ok, so first there is no such thing as sociopathic personality disorder. Antisocial personality disorder is closest and she certainly was not that.
Second, your logic is flawed bc on the Friday before the murders Chris went out of his way to volunteer to go out to Cervi on Monday morning. He had it planned.
Lastly, Chris was not in a position to “allow” anything with either of those women. He had no power in his relationships. This part is what keeps me wondering whose idea it really was to kill everyone.
You're right. Sociopathic personality disorder doesn't exist. I meant to say Antisocial Personality Disorder. She definitely had Narcissistic Personality Disorder and seemed to enjoy hurting her children. Anyone capable of killing their own children has something more going on with them than just Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It's a spectrum. Higher on the narcissism scale is Antisocial Personality Disorder and even higher on the scale would be Psychopathy. I don't believe she was that extreme in her Narcissism (Psychopathy) but Sociopath definitely fits.
I didn't know Chris went out of his way to volunteer to go out to Cervi that day. Wasn't that part of his job and didn't he work full time?
I’m licensed to diagnose and treat mental health disorders and I can’t even begin to tell you all the things you are wrong about. Your opinion is valid as an opinion but the clinical terms you are using are incorrect, conflicting, and out of context.
The DSM-5-TR is the bible of psychiatric and neurodevelopmental disorders. It was created and is continuously updated with ongoing research. Symptoms to meet criteria for any disorder are specifically laid out for clinicians to use when making diagnoses. Personality disorders are categorized by clusters: A, B, and C. None of them are spectrums. Sociopathy and psychopathy are also not in the DSM. They are not official diagnoses. They are informal terms, which tend to be used when people are actually referring to antisocial personality disorder (which is an official diagnosis; it is a cluster B personality disorder). You need to refer to the DSM when referencing any of these disorders. If it’s not supported by the DSM, then what you are saying is completely inaccurate. Therefore, saying those disorders are spectrums, etc. is completely invalid. How you can learn is definitely by reading the DSM.
Okay, I blame the proliferation of information using those terms on the internet for my ignorance. I'm not licensed to treat mental health disorders like you are. Thanks for taking the time to write a clarification.
Here is what the DSM says about Antisocial Personality Disorder:
*"The DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder*
1. A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
1. Failure to conform to social norms concerning lawful behaviors, such as performing acts that are grounds for arrest.
2. Deceitfulness, repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for pleasure or personal profit.
3. Impulsivity or failure to plan.
4. Irritability and aggressiveness, often with physical fights or assaults.
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others.
6. Consistent irresponsibility, failure to sustain consistent work behavior, or honor monetary obligations.
7. Lack of remorse, being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person.
2. The individual is at least age 18 years.
3. Evidence of conduct disorder typically with onset before age 15 years.
4. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during schizophrenia or bipolar disorder."
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK546673/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK546673/)
It also says:
"Many researchers and clinicians argue this diagnosis, with concerns of significant overlap with other disorders, including psychopathy. However, others counter that psychopathy is simply a subtype of antisocial personality disorder, with a more severe presentation"
\^ Maybe that is where I got the spectrum thing from.
I work with patients with antisocial personality disorder pretty regularly. They are nothing like Shanann. They are, like the word implies, antisocial. Shanann was a very social bubbly person. Nothing about her behavior matches up with the DSM5 criteria for the disorder.
She’s more histrionic if anything.
I apologize in that I hope I didn’t make you feel attacked with my comment and thus the need to defend yourself. I applaud you for wanting to learn about mental health and discussion platforms are certainly where such interests can be sparked.
Mental health terms and disorders are just so often misused and taken advantage of since they do not require tests of physical nature (blood tests, X-rays, biopsies, etc.) in order to be validated and diagnosed. People therefore use them way too liberally; all because someone is sad… doesn’t mean they meet criteria for major depressive disorder, all because someone made a decision and then changed their mind… doesn’t make them bi-polar (which is double inaccurate since a disorder is something you have, not something you are!) etc. I am totally not saying you thought any of that, I just wanted to provide examples. Also, not sure where I am going with this, as it is very late, but yea, just wanted to say sorry. Keep on exploring this case and learning more about mental health, if you aren’t already set in your career, then maybe one in mental health is for you! Gnight 💜
OP, honestly you are spot on if you ask me. None of us know exactly what happened that fateful day. However, based on what we have seen on SM and research, it is not hard to believe that there does exist the possibility that SW could have hurt her children. I believe it's part of the reason why SOR called the daycare that morning. She was trying to figure out what was going on and how she could help cover whatever was going on up. The ROO family was all about smoke and mirrors. It does not excuse in any way what Chris factually did. Regardless he still murdered SW and put his children in oil tanks....just awful
I’m not a huge fan of NK, But I truly believe if Chris had called her in the middle of the night with that kind of news she would’ve hung up on him and called the police. She didn’t seem like she loved him nearly enough to risk being in that kind of legal trouble.
She did a lot of shady things, though. I don't think she helped him plan the murders. Maybe she didn't help him plan hiding the bodies. That part is kind of shaky.. but something is not right with her. I can't put my finger on it.
She was googling wedding dresses and terms that led to the belief that she wanted to marry him. Something about marrying a mistress? Also, the pic of the field of flowers at Cervi from Chris on the day of the murders was really weird. Part of her job at Anadarko was monitoring the tanks. Just weird, right?
It's detailed on page 2124 of the Discovery. I saw it in a documentary. Here is a reddit thread about it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Chriswatts/comments/k8ht70/picture\_of\_wildflowers\_sent\_to\_nk\_morning\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Chriswatts/comments/k8ht70/picture_of_wildflowers_sent_to_nk_morning_of/)
I think that was more to do with the fact that he did not report to the office ,as he usually does , on the day SW returned from a trip .
He told her he is going out in the field and she probably suspected that he is still at home spending time with SW.
Her asking CW proof of location was nothing but an OW's insecurity about whether the man was where he said he was ,IMO.
That's an interesting point. I forget how that matches up with when Anadarko handed over work emails between her & CW. Someone please share if they know.
Maybe that long phone call was to concoct a story for their employer? Then she finds out her dipshit married paramour is Peanut-Headed Suspect Number One in his family's disappearance and she bails. Once investigators knew about the affair, I'm sure she wanted to makes it seem she graciously came forward when really she was flushed out.
He originally said Shanann killed the girls and then he killed her in a rage. Then he freaked out and hid the bodies. So his confession was a change of story after they told him he would not get the death penalty if he confessed to killing the girls. Everyone, including the police were outraged by his claim that Shanann killed the girls. People are still outraged.
After watching hours of her texts, comments and videos I can now believe that she could have done it. She was mentally ill and abusive towards her kids. It's very clear in her videos. The videos of her in the well known documentaries don't reveal it, but when you listen to interviews with her friends and watch the videos that were taken down from the internet by someone (her family?) it reveals a different woman.
I don't like her after seeing how she treated her poor children. That is why people keep ragging on her.
He only said that after LE put that scenario on the table to see if he would bite and he fell hook line and sinker for the oldest and dumbest trick in the book.
He and he alone is responsible for his actions.
A month ago I would have said you are crazy and leave poor Shanaan alone.
After doing deep dives into these videos myself, I completely agree.
Shanaan is narcicissitic, mean and even sadistic towards her kids (withholding food and mocking them while doing it).
Chris was a henpecked, beaten man. But he did show affection towards the kids, and was pretty much their only caregiver for the few hours they were allowed out of their room by Shanaan. For her the kids were just a prop for her stupid videos and a reason to people to feel sorry for her ("oh these wild kids are running me ragged").
Sorry if these opinions anger people, and they are just that, opinions.
Just like the detectives asked him, my first thought is - why would he not call for an ambulance, even after strangling SW even if he “knew” the girls were already gone? If he had just found her on top of CiCi, there could have at least still been hope for her. His story doesn’t line up and he has proven himself a liar. He latched onto the first “lifeline” thrown to him and fell for it 🤷🏻♀️
SW didn’t seem to be a good mother much at all, some of the videos really hurt my heart and some make me physically cringe (the water spraying video, bathroom counter struggling video, wtf??) but I don’t believe that she was the one that killed the girls.
Was her social media presence and her reliance on harsh parenting styles out of control? Yes. But I am from the south and her SM about the kids and the MLM are not that unique.
I shouldn’t have referenced where I’m from. In this forum some people act like Shanann’s social media presence and participation in the MLM makes her super evil and her behavior is unheard of. I think it’s gross, but her behaviors aren’t new to me. I assumed people in other areas may not experience these people, I was wrong.
MLMs are everywhere because they are scamming people online with social media. I was trying to say that Shannan’s SM is not that unique.
Go on Tiktok and someone is promising the “secret” to help cortisol levels, hocking TikTok shop garbage made in China or just dry begging.
Go to Facebook, you’ll get some more MLMs, people using it like a diary, without a care in the world about their children’s safety.
Go to IG and see people’s curated and filtered lives with links to their Amazon forefront
Depends on at what age you consider being from somewhere. Yes she was born in NJ but she was in NC by middle school if not elementary. So at least raised in the south
I had the unfortunate experience of coming across one of her videos criticizing Shannan the day they were playing with the canned whipped cream. In the video she was saying how terrible Shanann is for not giving Bella any, but then turns around and casually says that she only buys whipped cream cans for her dog and “for the whippet at the end of the can.”
WHAT! Lmao why did she just throw that in there and then do her witch cackle like that’s just normal? And we’re supposed to be believing her takes on ANYTHING?? 😂
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I have not watched the Idaho murders ones yet.
The thing with her Watts videos is she hardly narrates any of them. She edits together the existing videos and comments on SM and let’s them speak for themselves. A lot of those videos and posts were deleted so are very enlightening.
She does narrate sometimes so she does guide the viewer at times. What I am picking up from all the videos is blowing my mind. Very enlightening.
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Why the hell would she kill the children if she had MBP? That makes zero sense. The children were her tickets.
There is zero evidence that Shanann did anything other than die that night.
Shanann's close friend said her first thought when she found out she and the girls were missing was that it was a murder/suicide, not that Chris killed them. Think about that.
Anyone with MBP has zero empathy for their children.
She could have been so mentally ill that she would rather the kids be dead than for Chris to divorce her and live happily ever after with another woman. She could have done it to punish Chris for the affair. Maybe she was going to kill herself but Chris did it first.
If she had MBP, then more than likely she was on the route to kill her kids. Just go ahead and read about other cases of MBP… it’s one of the highly lethal form of abuse. This alone speaks volumes.
Neeks Peeks is great. She was able to not change my mind entirely but made me entertain the idea that SW killed the girl’s. However, When I watched for 5th time Tammy the detective feed this idea to CW that SW killed the girls it was very obvious he hadn’t come up with that idea himself. And then bc that is sounding more appealing he runs with that and uses that excuse to save face with his dad.
I don't believe Shanann killed them, I believe they were collateral damage. But the videos were eye opening to watch and confirm what I already suspected; that Shanann viewed them as little props and accessories, an extension of herself.
Keep in mind this is part of the team that decided cw strangled sw because he touched his neck a few times during his interview. On the cop cam from Monday August 13th when NA was at the house she touched her neck for a total of 40 times but I didn't hear them mention anything about that.
I have had a mini panic attack from anxiety a few times. I will touch my neck and pull at my collar. I’m not sure why I do that but I’m not even thinking about it. Just saying the panic was high with them atm so it could have been that reason. Just like CW swaying back and forth
What you said . Also, cw had a bug bite on the left side of his neck , that could be a reason also. The bug bite was noted at the Sunday afternoon birthday party he attended with the girls
During the FBI interview he said while he was strangling SW she said not to hurt the kids. The problem is he's such an incredible liar who knows what to believe. He said when Bella came in SW was face down, leaving me to believe he choke holded her from behind (why not defensive marks). And now the new story that he tried stuffing CC in the basement freezer where the dogs hit. I think CC was brain damaged from the first attempt on her life so he had to carry her to the truck. Thats why he murdered CC first. Wouldn't you have murdered the older, stronger child first? Also thats why you only see one shadow being lifted up into truck, being Bella. CC had already been placed there. Jmo
I wouldn’t believe anything that Watts said in that February 2019 Wisconsin prison ‘interview’. He was threatened and coerced into saying that he killed the girls. He never did admit it prior to that ‘interview’ because, he didn’t do it. He only said that when they threatened the lives of him and his family. The DA came out a month after that interview and admitted that his ‘confession’ did not match the evidence…..Chris was pulling things out of thin air. It was a combination of Cadle’s BS and that psychic that called in in the very beginning of the case.
Your theory is just as valid as any other. Thank you for sharing it.
There was no trial, and nothing but bad or maybe incompetent actors in this tragedy. Those innocent babies will never get the justice they deserve, just like they didn't get the affection and security every child deserves while they were alive.
Shannon's time of death is a mystery. The girls' demise is even more inchoate. Yes, we all know the gruesome details of how their remains were treated postmortem by their murdering pos father... but did he kill them Sunday night after the birthday party? Were they smothered onsite at Cervi early the next morning? Did one, both or neither leave the house alive?
No one knows.
That's the saddest part of it all. Those girls were not shown love the way every child should experience, then were murdered and nobody knows what really happened except for their father.
I agree Shannan killed the girls.
that's a big decision. Chris was not a big decisions guy. He's a "if you want me to" guy.
Shannan took a photo of a doll wrapped in a sheet a few weeks before and threatened to CHOKE Dieter, the small hotdog. Shannan was in an unbearable situation and unstable. She had GIVEN UP on Thrive. She was a trapped in a marriage with a baby on the way. She didn't even want to go to the OBGYN? why not?
Chris was a clean up man. He took a polygraph, failed a polygraph then confesses the SECOND the FBI says "I can't leave here and think SHE had something to do with this". Nikki had already moved on. The man in a woman's body had already reverted back to her masculine form and was little more than a phone buddy on Monday night for Chris. One of the guys. But one desperate to remain out of the case.
"Chris was not a big decisions guy. He's a "if you want me to" guy."
True and also why people theorize that NK was involved and put him up to it.
I used to think he was just really good at hiding his dark side from others before the murders. But now I see there was a lot more to the story I didn't know.
he wasn’t a big decisions guy until he didn’t want to be with sw anymore.l and decided they were selling the house. he chose to have an affair and had no problems telling her he didn’t want to work on the marriage. he was definitely not in that same subservient mindset when the murders happened. i do think it’s shady af that nk can’t come up with what they talked about on that long phone call tho.
I just watched a neeks peeks video about a jailhouse informant that was Watts’ roommate in jail for a few days who claims that Watts confided in him that Watts and NK plotted the whole thing together, and that NK killed the girls because she didn’t think Chris could go through with it, and that Chris killed Shannan.
Who knows if it’s true, but it seems plausible to me.
In the beginning this was speculated. When he's asked what other way there is out of the house, he immediately says out the back there's no cameras. And they found tire tracks next to the fence right out from the back deck. It was speculated that she went in and out that large basement window so as not to tip the security system. Accomplices could have been out there and taken the bodies.
Or, it could have happened the way the official story is told. The video leaves room for that even if they didn't get proper evidence out of the truck.
I haven't seen that one yet. Do you remember the title? My husband has been theorizing that for a while now. Seeing just how crazy Shannann actually was has thrown me for a loop.
I agree 💯 OP.
Although I differ a little bit, because im convinced that Sandy played a role in this coverup somehow and SOMEWAY by using NA as her minion.
How else can ANYONE ever possibly explain how Sandy calked detectives and told them she believes that CW killed and poured oil on the girls?
If you read the entire discovery and the detective call logs, she was hounding the detectives for information, she was also doing everything she could to "lead" them in a certain direction.. Including anonymous women having affairs with Anadarko workers.....
"look into the secret calculator app" which just so happens to be what CW/NK were using.
Mystery clairvoyant psychics with suspiciously terrible spelling and grammar closely resembling Sandy.
The fake "secret overs" who just so happened to be coincidentally tied to NA/Sandy who seemed to be planted there to cement a particular narrative about CW
All of the womenS INTERVIEWS within the thrive circle sounded rehearsed coached and damn near with bullet points they wanted planted into the minds of L.E
One detective finally gets impatient and says, ok...but did you actually WITNESS this firsthand, or are you repeating what you've already heard from someone else bc you ladies get together and talk?
Their interviews and timelines even manage to bring up nutgate in the exact same way
and ofc
They all deride Cindy and paint her as a monster (Sandy's doing imo)
It's far too suspiciously matchy matchy.
The fact of the matter is, that they're covering something.
They all knew that SW was mentally unhinged at that point, but typical for MLM huns:
in spite of all of their talk about health,
mental clarity, positivity and "wellness" they really couldn't be bothered with much more than superficial lip service when SW needed serious help.
SW had much more of a motive and she fits the profile to a T.
I think SANDY knew before CW did that SW did something to hurt herself or the kids. I think SANDY said something to CW which sealed the deal for him taking the fall.
Im not saying CW was a saint. But I don't think he killed the kids, I just don't.
I really think Chris did it. He only started saying it was Shanann because the cops opened that door. Then he switched back and forth in the years since the murders. All that nonsense tells me he’s a liar and he probably did all of it and just wanted to blame someone.
He's never said she did it since the pre-trial interviews.
Oooop you got me there, my mistake! I just remember there were multiple changes from the interview, to the jailhouse, to the book
Yes, but all of the "changes" were made up by other people trying to make money off of the crime. There were, and still are, money grubbing liars still making bucks off the murder by making up bullshit. Neek's Peeks for instance. Complete bullshit.
Neeks never claimed any of this, that's just where the OP's mind went after watching, for which she is hardly responsible
That’s not entirely true Tammy was really trying to hype herself up when she said she tricked cw and he ran with it while cw was at his parents house before they returned back to Colorado cw wrote a to whom it may concern letter saying he’s not suicidal and wouldn’t hurt his wife at his parents request so they have it in case shit hit the fan when cw left sw they knew cw was gonna be dealing with sw’s wrath for leaving and preparing him for nutgate 8.0 when sw finally realized she didn’t have cw under her control anymore
This. Also, CW knew nobody would believe him if he said SW killed the kids. So when Tammy actually asked if that’s what happened, CW was thinking he may have a shot at telling the truth and the detectives believing him. He was adamant that forensics test SWs hands way in the beginning too. I think this speaks volumes.
His lawyers also requested DNA swabs be taken from the girls necks and it was denied.
I have always believed that too his lawyer said even though they were in the tanks there could be evidence but his lawyer worked for the state and the prosecution worked for the state on the opposite side so it was state vs state and cw lost but if he had a criminal defense lawyer and not a public defender the state wouldn’t pay and I think the test would have been done they put bags on sw’s hands to test them I wonder what the results were since sw didn’t have contact with b&c since she left for az if they had the girls DNA or skin cells it would prove she killed them I never heard the results being released though so I now wonder why it was said they were testing her hands to see if she had any of her killers DNA under her nails
That's not true. He wrote a letter about it weeks prior when they were visiting in North Carolina. CW wrote that he feared for his safety on account of SW increasingly unhinged and concerning behavior.. This letter was written at the urging of his family after SW threw a psychotic tantrum bc CW "defied her" and went to visit his family for a few hours before they left back home to Coloradom In response to CW "disobeying" SW, not only did she blow up his phone the entire time, ensuring she made him miserable while visiting his family, but she DEMANDED that he come home and drive back during a massive wind storm with his elderly parents in the car. In the meantime, SW ripped the head off of CECE barbie doll and made that cryptic post about it in social media. They knew that wasn't CECE
did the cops open the baby doll wrapped in a bed sheet door too? did the cops opent he i'm going to choke the 10 lb dog too?
There is zero evidence that Shannan killed her kids.
I believe chris did it but there is not a lot of physical evidence that he killed the girls either.
Given how Chris describes how he killed them (confessions are generally considered to be pretty good evidence as an aside), what physical evidence would you expect to see that does not exist?
As far as WE know there's zero evidence. But that doesn't mean that evidence doesn't exist. This entire case was wrapped up as quickly as possible, and how CW was railroaded to not stand trial, makes me suspicious. Very suspicious.
How do you think he was railroaded? I’m genuinely curious about what you think
He wasn't railroaded. He agreed to a plea bargain.
He was kept in solitary confinement, in a paper gown, sleeping on a concrete floor with inmates screaming that they were going to kill him, for over 3 months. He was also under a gag order and was only allowed to speak to his attorneys. The DA had an election coming up and needed to tie this case up with a red bow. They completely broke him and IMO promised to move him to a safer prison if he took a plea.
Gave him murder mysteries to read. One was one of the Kay Scarpetta series
What's the tldr of that?
The jail handed books out and I think the one (or one of) the books given to cw to read was Body Farm
The law or the operation of law isn't perfect. Mistakes are made, elections are involved and CW, inexperienced and idiot that he was, made it so easy for them. I agree, a lot was left out. Rush to judgement creates unrest, regardless of whether he's guilty of killing everyone or not. Add children into the equation and even a not guilty person will fold under duress. It's been proven time and again.
Yeah none of that is really unusual for people who are arrested after dumping their dead kids in oil tanks. Again, you can make up any story you want, have fun, but it's not supported by any facts.
You keep saying everyone’s making things up, but they are literally throwing facts in your face.
>The DA had an election coming up and needed to tie this case up with a red bow In 2020
He didn’t want to take the plea deal. There are interviews out there of him and one of his lawyers talking about it.
Also Tammy Lee states in one of her many interviews that when told to stop it was done. She exclaimed but we aren't done yet.... Also all evidence (if any) was destroyed
I know. IF Shannann killed the kids he destroyed any evidence when he killed her and then hid the bodies. That's why I think Chris took the plea deal. He had no chance. We'll probably never know the truth. Doesn't he keep talking about getting out one day? That doesn't make sense either. Why would he think that?! No matter what happened he is where he belongs. He murdered, hid the bodies and lied about it. The question to me is what was going on with Shannann? I think she was crazy and possibly evil after watching her SM videos and texts.
That's not a reason to take a plea deal. It's a reason to not take a plea deal for two murders you didn't commit. I don't know the answer why he's talking about getting out one day. But that has nothing to do with my statement about there being no evidence that Shannan killed the kids.
I am sorry, but there’s loads of innocent people behind the bars, including those who took plea deals just to have peace.
If you say so.
I don’t have to say so, these are facts. Police, DA, courts are corrupted, and that’s not news :)
Have you watched the Neeks Peeks videos about the Watts murders? Ultimately my post is about them and how they have influenced my belief about this case and completely changed my mind.
No. But since you posted about them, please provide a summary of the new evidence he must have that indicates Shannan killed the kids?
There is none because he killed Shannann and put the kids' bodies in oil tanks to hide that he committed murder. There is, however, a ridiculous amount of video evidence that Shannann was an abusive mother and severely mentally ill. That evidence is in the Neeks Peeks' videos that she compiled.
"I watched her videos on the internet and think she was a shitty mother and a narcissist" is not evidence that she killed her children.
Did anyone in this thread say they had evidence she did it? I certainly didn't. Do I believe she did it or was capable of doing it? Yeah. I used to believe it was Chris but I have changed my mind after watching the Neek's Peeks video series. I could change my mind again but lack of physical evidence isn't convincing me.Something is not right with the official narrative when everything I know so far is taken into account. Too many weird oddities.
don’t you just hate it when people put words in your mouth?
Okay so you're basing what you think happened on zero evidence. I think we're on the same page.
I 💯% agree. I believe the only reason ppl excuse her behavior is because she was a murder victim. Looking at her behavior and all the things she posted on SM, the treatment the children, her text, her complete selfishness... just no way ppl can't see that she was not a good person.
Toxic. The word you are looking for is toxic. If SW hadn’t died, and people saw her videos today, there would be yelling from the rooftops that SW was a “toxic mom” and abused her children & husband.
If I’m being honest, I don’t believe he killed SW either. But that’s another conversation altogether.
Interesting, how would she had died, then? Murder/suicide?
I agree with Neeks being brilliant. I agree that SW had MBP and was nuttier than a fruitcake that Cece could have eaten. However, I don’t agree with your last point and I never really got that from Neeks’ videos. I think that SW was able to be a raving, narcissistic headcase and yet still become the victim of murder along with her children. I don’t agree with the official narrative-I think that something happened that most people never consider…….but Neeks is fantastic and she is spot on about what was going on prior to the tragedy.
That doesn’t make much sense though does it? You’re willing to admit all of these things about SW, but somehow Chris was the one who killed them all? Come on.. occams razor here.
Not sure why it doesn’t make sense when there is no concrete evidence to suggest that SW was responsible. Maybe it doesn’t make sense to you, but there’s more than enough evidence to support the sobering likelihood of this crime having been premeditated. SW could have had multiple personality disorders but Chris Watts isn’t normal either. Psychopathy does NOT automatically point to someone being guilty of murder, and although Chris has never told the truth, he wasn’t covering up for SW-not in my opinion anyway. He didn’t care about her enough to cover up for her. I personally don’t think that he murdered the girls but I don’t think that SW murdered anyone either.
i think cw killed them all. it doesn’t ring true to me that he saw her strangling the one kid on a baby monitor and saw the other kid on a monitor too. and then just took it as fact that both of his kids were gone? i just can’t imagine a scenario where he wouldn’t go in there and try to revive them or even be sure that they were actually dead and he never talked about that. people say he was in shock but i feel like he would have panicked and at least gone in to see the kids and make sure there was no hope before he snapped and killed sw.
That was all said during the coerced, forced Wisconsin prison interview. Chris Watts, being a people pleaser and afraid for his and his family’s lives used bits and pieces that Cadle and that psychic said. He just said what he felt he had to say to keep his family safe.
what do you mean by keep his family safe? to me, blaming sw for the kids murders falls right in line with people pleasing. he didn’t want to tell his dad he killed the kids. he hasn’t been on record ever saying anything about how he knew for sure his kids were dead before he killed sw.
It was obviously Shannon that killed the girls. She showed us all a very long history of many, severe and dangerous personality disorders. Ronnie was Chris’ idol, his hero, he would not lie to his dad. Also, notice how Ronnie doesn’t react when he hears that Shannon killed the kids? He was not at all surprised, he and his family had suffered her wrath for a very long time and knew exactly what Shannon was like. They anticipated Shannon’s violent, vindictive response to Chris telling her that he was leaving……thus the August 6,2018 letter.
yeah i know she seemed disturbed. but def not convinced she did it, jmo. what do you mean that he had to keep his family safe?
Chris Watts said right from the start that Shannon killed the girls and he then killed her. He never wavered from that confession. He signed the plea deal, under duress, in November 2018 and was sentenced to LWOP and sent to a prison in Wisconsin. The plea deal was bad. Watts continued to state that he didn’t kill the girls even after his sentencing, even after the case was closed. Chris was stating this publicly and was even talking to authors about it. This would have invalidated the plea and the case would be remanded to trial. Rourke could not have that, he had a political career to maintain as well as his law license so, he sent Colorado law enforcement all of the way up to the Wisconsin prison to threaten Watts, he had to state publicly that he harmed his girls or his life and/or the lives of his family members would be in danger. This, unfortunately, happens frequently in our CJ system.
where did you hear that he continued to say it was sw? only time i have ever heard him say that is after they suggested it.
Yes, he said it right after the murders but, he never said it afterwards until he was threatened 3 months after the sentencing. Do you have any documentation that he ever said that he killed the girls, even at his sentencing hearing and up until the time that law enforcement ‘visited’ and threatened him? (BTW, no one needs to be told to blame someone else for their actions. Watts just never thought that law enforcement would believe that Shannon had killed the girls because she had gotten away with lies and deception all of her life. Once the cops read Shannon’s SM and had interviewed their friends, they came back and described Shannon’s controlling and abusive ways to a ‘T’…..Watts was like, WOW!! They figured her out! They believe that Shannon would do something that horrific.).
you have a lot of opinion as fact going on in your theories. all i asked you was where it was documented that he ever said it was sw who killed the girl’s after that first confession. anyone can see what sw was like but it’s cw version of events that does not sound right to me, you can think what you want to just like everyone else can.
Simple answer, no. Chris Watts never wavered from his initial confession until that February 2019 interview. He continually stated that Shannon killed the girls and he killed her. Of course Chris’ version ‘does not sound right’, he was making it up on the fly after his life was threatened. Even the DA came out after that ‘confession’ and said that only ‘some of Chris’ confession matched the evidence’…..yet, there he is, in prison for LWOP. Does that make sense? Does it make sense that law enforcement would travel all of the way up to Wisconsin to meet with a convicted and sentenced man whose case was closed 3 months prior?!!?
I personally can’t get behind the SW killed the girls theory. CW’s actions after he killed SW just do not reflect a parent who had nothing to do with their children’s murders. Hiding their bodies in an oil tank is not a sign of an innocent parent. Plus how does him saying he killed them all even remotely look better than telling the “truth”?
Ya no he killed the girls and SW. there is 0 evidence that SW killed the girls, he just latched onto that train thinking it would make him appear less evil but that didn’t last long as he realized the evidence all pointed one way … I can’t believe there are ppl who think SW killed the girls, scary world.
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Chris should not have cheated, and NK should not have had an affair with a married man. He should not have lied. He dug himself into a gigantic mess and I think he underestimated how crazy Shannann was. They were ALL bad. Chris Watts, Shannann and NK. The only victims in this story were the poor kids.
Women have killed their children before. It's not completely unheard of. After watching all her SM videos and comments/texts, I believe she was batshit crazy and would destroy everyone around her before they could shatter her carefully constructed grandiose image of her perfect life.
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No problem! I am not trying to offend anyone or bash a murdered woman and domestic violence victim. I genuinely am starting to believe this after watching hours and hours of those videos that Neeks Peeks compiled. I can't stop thinking about this case. It's been years and I keep reading and watching everything I can about it because it just doesn't make sense. I am glad that I could share this and not get completely trashed by others. I don't know the truth about what happened. It's definitely mind warping.
I agree. She was about to lose everything. People will do a bunch of stuff they would never conceive of doing in better circumstances.
Nonsense. She was already in the planning stages to move on. She would have been fine and quickly found someone new, if he hadn't strangled her.
Quickly found some new slave! Hahahahahahaha
Doesn't matter that women have killed their children there is no evidence that SW killed her daughters. And zero evidence that he killed her anywhere other than on their bed in their room. No telephone call to or from NK to devise any plan.. and imagining NK told him to take them to his work site in a truck she knew was monitored is his every movement. Why would she support his reversing his truck on to drive for the first time ever and then losing them, knowing that at that time it would be getting light and that people have security cameras. NKs approach to police told them nothing the didn't already know. As she was interviewing with them they already had drone assessment of cervi 319 in place, they already knew from his car and phone tracking. She had a full digital alibi confirmed to media by Weld County police dept, being at home or work throughout Sunday evening and all day. And no communication with CW all night or day. He created a pathetic plan to dispose of their bodies that I cannot imagine anyone else in the world would have supported.. it was a clear way to get caught. IMO if he had contacted someone else they would have called 911 as soon as they got off the phone. Had evidence matched his account he likely would have been a free man, or at least close to it.
How does killing her kids fit in with her picture perfect life? That literally doesn’t make any sense.
Have you watched the Neek's Peeks video series on the Watts murders? [https://www.youtube.com/@NEEKSPEEKS](https://www.youtube.com/@NEEKSPEEKS) I am not defending Chris Watts, Nichol Kessinger at all. I am just stating my belief after watching the evidence compiled there. You know there is something not right with this whole case. That is why so many people are still so obsessed by it.
I think people are obsessed with it because of the social media presence of SW (so much footage and a lot of it cringe with her MLM bs) and also because CW was so… submissive/docile/obedient (can’t think of the right word) for so long and this was so far out of character. Like people could wrap their head around him killing his wife since he was having an affair and fell out of love and she was a bossy bleotch at times, but how on earth did he do that to those kids!? Insane. That’s why people are still talking about it, imo. Also- I’m sorry the fact he shoved the girls into OIL TANKS tells me he didn’t care at all about them. If SW had killed the girls and he was so enraged and upset about it, would he then go on to degrade their bodies like that? That is brutal
People are obsessed with it for individual reasons that pertain to their own lives. The people who incessantly criticize sw are what they claim she was. The people who see what CW is, have likely had someone like that in their life.
Have you even watched the videos she posted of her teasing, drugging, withholding food and water from her kids? Incessant unnecessary doctor visits and procedures on them? So the people who criticize her for doing these things are doing the same things and are like her? Yeah, right. People criticize her because they feel bad for her innocent children who were treated badly.
Dude, I watched her videos as they unfolded. People are imagining they see things that they don't. There's nothing unusual about her life. The "teasing, drugging, withholding food and water" are pure stretch of the imagination based on a couple seconds of life. Anyone who ever had kids could be painted this way. It's completely absurd.
Ummmm….no. You are very much mistaken. People who criticize SW see her as a problematic person and a polarizing victim. It has absolutely nothing to do with having anything in common with her. In fact, I would argue that it is her defenders who can relate to her for one reason or another, and this is evidenced by the fact that they get so vicious and hateful about being realistic about the truth. They are used to making all manner of excuses for her, even if they have to do backwards somersaults to come up with something that makes sense (to them) regarding her deplorable behavior.
Nah, I'm not wrong at all. I've watched it unfold and who says what. It's obvious what kind of people are saying the things they are saying. They are self identifying merely by saying it. Edit: lol at who is vicious. People are completely ridiculous at their criticisms of her. "She drugged the kids" - we watched them get their diagnosis of allergies so yes, kids take benedryl for that. That's why it's sold in stores. "She didn't immediately give them what they begged for, she must be starving them and withholding water" - again lol, She'd be a shit parent if she dropped what she was doing and gave in to their whining. It's obvious they weren't starving. Any decent parent would teach them to wait. If anything, she over indulged them. The stuff people criticize is completely unhinged, and coming from a few youtubers that are making huge money off of getting people to join their abuser crowd.
You’re not the brightest bulb in the firmament, but you’re undeniably competitively up for the top tier of the self righteous and willfully ignorant. Not a great combination, but no doubt it’s your comfort zone and better that you remain smugly comfortable with your opinions than try to entertain any other concepts which might entail too many things for your mind to comprehend much less think about!
Well said!
See, there you go. Making incredibly unfounded and completely wrong assertions.
Nope-just tired of your narrow scope of knowledge on the subject of Shannan’s abysmal performance record as a mother and a human. The unoriginal deductions that you’re committed to are no longer relevant. Just because inconvenient truths are not your bag doesn’t mean that everyone else should dumb themselves down to coddle your fantasies!
It's you that has a narrow scope of knowledge of her. You watched a few snips of video that conveniently leave out context. Anyone on youtube can be made into an imaginary person, just like Neeks Peeks has done with this case. I knew these people long before you did.
You’re not only dead wrong, your biases are so overblown and distorted that it would take a forklift to dislodge even the smallest misconception! It’s like you’ve got your mind made up and not one shred of logic would make sense to you. Shannan was TOO patient? Okay-let me guffaw at that for a moment because you win the dumb Shiner award for April 25th! 😂😂🤣
Quite the opposite in my situation, I knew someone exactly like SW.. i heard the lies she told her husband to create hatred between him and family already 500miles away. Had her try to make me lie, had grandiose plans to sue her employers or/and get an ill health pension fraudulently. I watched month after month as she got new credit cards, as she got loans to consolidate old loans without telling her husband. I saw the emotional trauma and fear she put her children through, her hypochondria... her migraines removed by aspirin so she could sell with MLM schemes too. Similarities are uncanny. Not sure why her husband stays, it's not a life to envy. Yet she'd never hurt her kids, they became too much of her identity. She helped me see where SW was coming from, how a man is able to sit bad and tolerate that type of life. CW and Nk were together just 6 weeks and in that time his wife was gone, easy to believe a trial separation given his ability to lie too. Have never known anyone capable of hurting their kids in a physical way, I don't believe they were part of his 'fantasy' to be free of SW. I can believe his dissociation from what had happened via my job, his sense of autopilot after leaving for work, of not knowing how to free himself from what he'd done, stress hormones and adrenaline are powerful chemicals responsible for some crazy decision making by people that had even accidentally ended a life. I cannot understand why he chose to dump their bodies in the oil tanks beyond the 'not thinking but just acting from fear' but he still gets not an ounce of sympathy from me. He had multiple opportunities to come clean and confess before he did. His behaviour and lies while he knew exactly where his family were, allowing them further lack of respect just despicable. For the lies he has told since, for how he has tried to play the same game as YTube fools trying to solve the crime.. he deserves every millisecond in prison, hopefully seeing those little girls every time he closes his eyes. He'd already told her he was done.. there was nothing apart from possible threats that stopped him seeing a lawyer that Friday afternoon, sending her to NAs on return with appointment on Monday to discuss the girls custody. Never laying s hand of her.. she might not have been a perfect wife for him, but she deserved her life. It goes without saying his actions towards Bella and cece need nothing less than the torture I really hooe come in his dreams and every moment he isn't distracted.He had so many other options.. sadly not unique. Only this week another father ended his wife and children's lifes and I learnt of a man murdered to solve his wife's criminal and dishonest life events! Divorce needs to be the only option when some feels able to end their partners entire life!
All nonsense made up by money grubbers.
What is nonsense, and what exactly is a 'money grubber'? Maybe you meant grabber. Lol I don't like YT for thus reason, when the money overrides evidence and people begging for subs so they can share their opinions. So far no one has had a penny from me, it was supposed to be about sharing thoughts and ideas about things. These days the more outrageous the more views and the more money.. so many opt for that deliberately. Its completely unfair to the real people behind these events. People need to use the report feature more often imo. Sorry Neeks, I know you are here too, maybe I would offer support if the system wasn't so messed up over there. But I do mostly agree with your content. ;o)
No, I meant money grubber. A person who is grubbing for money. Digging through the dirt and slop like a pig and making up bullshit stories that people like you fall for. Neeks Peeks has been doing that since the beginning of the case. They did it before this case. They will do it after. They make up complete bullshit and people like yourself take it as facts and then get on their bandwagon to "take a deep dive" into the case. But everything they're saying is their movie script and not reality. Yes, people have made money off you simply by you watching or reading their fantasy.
I only ever got involved on YT to correct their stupidity... got told I knew nothing, but I could read the discovery and Internet better than them. I haven't changed my viewpoint since spring 2019, most of what us online is said to incite anger, get views or just about pure hatred. Opinions on facts are one thing, am happy to judge them when completely false. Some stuff is still redacted though, and even CW in denial by defending his marriage, her income and happiness after he had told people the reality of his marriage and how much he hated the debt. His parents only learnt about 2015 bankruptcy after the murders, they thought he was still doing okay for himself. But they get judged for disliking SW.. I think they were justified in their opinion given how her life and marriages progressed. But express that and they are to blame for his actions? Because they didn't like SW. Only CW was responsible for what he did.. hence him rotting in prison for eternity.
Ok, so first there is no such thing as sociopathic personality disorder. Antisocial personality disorder is closest and she certainly was not that. Second, your logic is flawed bc on the Friday before the murders Chris went out of his way to volunteer to go out to Cervi on Monday morning. He had it planned. Lastly, Chris was not in a position to “allow” anything with either of those women. He had no power in his relationships. This part is what keeps me wondering whose idea it really was to kill everyone.
You're right. Sociopathic personality disorder doesn't exist. I meant to say Antisocial Personality Disorder. She definitely had Narcissistic Personality Disorder and seemed to enjoy hurting her children. Anyone capable of killing their own children has something more going on with them than just Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It's a spectrum. Higher on the narcissism scale is Antisocial Personality Disorder and even higher on the scale would be Psychopathy. I don't believe she was that extreme in her Narcissism (Psychopathy) but Sociopath definitely fits. I didn't know Chris went out of his way to volunteer to go out to Cervi that day. Wasn't that part of his job and didn't he work full time?
I’m licensed to diagnose and treat mental health disorders and I can’t even begin to tell you all the things you are wrong about. Your opinion is valid as an opinion but the clinical terms you are using are incorrect, conflicting, and out of context.
Please share how I am wrong so I can learn.
The DSM-5-TR is the bible of psychiatric and neurodevelopmental disorders. It was created and is continuously updated with ongoing research. Symptoms to meet criteria for any disorder are specifically laid out for clinicians to use when making diagnoses. Personality disorders are categorized by clusters: A, B, and C. None of them are spectrums. Sociopathy and psychopathy are also not in the DSM. They are not official diagnoses. They are informal terms, which tend to be used when people are actually referring to antisocial personality disorder (which is an official diagnosis; it is a cluster B personality disorder). You need to refer to the DSM when referencing any of these disorders. If it’s not supported by the DSM, then what you are saying is completely inaccurate. Therefore, saying those disorders are spectrums, etc. is completely invalid. How you can learn is definitely by reading the DSM.
Okay, I blame the proliferation of information using those terms on the internet for my ignorance. I'm not licensed to treat mental health disorders like you are. Thanks for taking the time to write a clarification. Here is what the DSM says about Antisocial Personality Disorder: *"The DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder* 1. A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following: 1. Failure to conform to social norms concerning lawful behaviors, such as performing acts that are grounds for arrest. 2. Deceitfulness, repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for pleasure or personal profit. 3. Impulsivity or failure to plan. 4. Irritability and aggressiveness, often with physical fights or assaults. 5. Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others. 6. Consistent irresponsibility, failure to sustain consistent work behavior, or honor monetary obligations. 7. Lack of remorse, being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person. 2. The individual is at least age 18 years. 3. Evidence of conduct disorder typically with onset before age 15 years. 4. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during schizophrenia or bipolar disorder." [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK546673/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK546673/) It also says: "Many researchers and clinicians argue this diagnosis, with concerns of significant overlap with other disorders, including psychopathy. However, others counter that psychopathy is simply a subtype of antisocial personality disorder, with a more severe presentation" \^ Maybe that is where I got the spectrum thing from.
This is the sort of interaction I’m here for. Good on both of you for having grace and respect for one another. I learned a lot from this!
Bravo! I applaud how you Reddit! Carry on 🤟🔥
I work with patients with antisocial personality disorder pretty regularly. They are nothing like Shanann. They are, like the word implies, antisocial. Shanann was a very social bubbly person. Nothing about her behavior matches up with the DSM5 criteria for the disorder. She’s more histrionic if anything.
Bingo!
I apologize in that I hope I didn’t make you feel attacked with my comment and thus the need to defend yourself. I applaud you for wanting to learn about mental health and discussion platforms are certainly where such interests can be sparked. Mental health terms and disorders are just so often misused and taken advantage of since they do not require tests of physical nature (blood tests, X-rays, biopsies, etc.) in order to be validated and diagnosed. People therefore use them way too liberally; all because someone is sad… doesn’t mean they meet criteria for major depressive disorder, all because someone made a decision and then changed their mind… doesn’t make them bi-polar (which is double inaccurate since a disorder is something you have, not something you are!) etc. I am totally not saying you thought any of that, I just wanted to provide examples. Also, not sure where I am going with this, as it is very late, but yea, just wanted to say sorry. Keep on exploring this case and learning more about mental health, if you aren’t already set in your career, then maybe one in mental health is for you! Gnight 💜
OP, honestly you are spot on if you ask me. None of us know exactly what happened that fateful day. However, based on what we have seen on SM and research, it is not hard to believe that there does exist the possibility that SW could have hurt her children. I believe it's part of the reason why SOR called the daycare that morning. She was trying to figure out what was going on and how she could help cover whatever was going on up. The ROO family was all about smoke and mirrors. It does not excuse in any way what Chris factually did. Regardless he still murdered SW and put his children in oil tanks....just awful
I’m not a huge fan of NK, But I truly believe if Chris had called her in the middle of the night with that kind of news she would’ve hung up on him and called the police. She didn’t seem like she loved him nearly enough to risk being in that kind of legal trouble.
She did a lot of shady things, though. I don't think she helped him plan the murders. Maybe she didn't help him plan hiding the bodies. That part is kind of shaky.. but something is not right with her. I can't put my finger on it. She was googling wedding dresses and terms that led to the belief that she wanted to marry him. Something about marrying a mistress? Also, the pic of the field of flowers at Cervi from Chris on the day of the murders was really weird. Part of her job at Anadarko was monitoring the tanks. Just weird, right?
I hadn’t heard of him sending her a picture of Cervi the day of the murders
It's detailed on page 2124 of the Discovery. I saw it in a documentary. Here is a reddit thread about it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Chriswatts/comments/k8ht70/picture\_of\_wildflowers\_sent\_to\_nk\_morning\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Chriswatts/comments/k8ht70/picture_of_wildflowers_sent_to_nk_morning_of/)
I think that was more to do with the fact that he did not report to the office ,as he usually does , on the day SW returned from a trip . He told her he is going out in the field and she probably suspected that he is still at home spending time with SW. Her asking CW proof of location was nothing but an OW's insecurity about whether the man was where he said he was ,IMO.
That's an interesting point. I forget how that matches up with when Anadarko handed over work emails between her & CW. Someone please share if they know. Maybe that long phone call was to concoct a story for their employer? Then she finds out her dipshit married paramour is Peanut-Headed Suspect Number One in his family's disappearance and she bails. Once investigators knew about the affair, I'm sure she wanted to makes it seem she graciously came forward when really she was flushed out.
He killed them all. He's confessed. He's never strayed to any other scenario.
He originally said Shanann killed the girls and then he killed her in a rage. Then he freaked out and hid the bodies. So his confession was a change of story after they told him he would not get the death penalty if he confessed to killing the girls. Everyone, including the police were outraged by his claim that Shanann killed the girls. People are still outraged. After watching hours of her texts, comments and videos I can now believe that she could have done it. She was mentally ill and abusive towards her kids. It's very clear in her videos. The videos of her in the well known documentaries don't reveal it, but when you listen to interviews with her friends and watch the videos that were taken down from the internet by someone (her family?) it reveals a different woman. I don't like her after seeing how she treated her poor children. That is why people keep ragging on her.
He only said that after LE put that scenario on the table to see if he would bite and he fell hook line and sinker for the oldest and dumbest trick in the book. He and he alone is responsible for his actions.
I am thoroughly familiar with her and I don't need any refresher on her life or videos. You're simply wrong in your imagination.
You have not convinced me that I am wrong. Believe whatever you want, thoughj.
A month ago I would have said you are crazy and leave poor Shanaan alone. After doing deep dives into these videos myself, I completely agree. Shanaan is narcicissitic, mean and even sadistic towards her kids (withholding food and mocking them while doing it). Chris was a henpecked, beaten man. But he did show affection towards the kids, and was pretty much their only caregiver for the few hours they were allowed out of their room by Shanaan. For her the kids were just a prop for her stupid videos and a reason to people to feel sorry for her ("oh these wild kids are running me ragged"). Sorry if these opinions anger people, and they are just that, opinions.
Welcome to the dark side.
Just like the detectives asked him, my first thought is - why would he not call for an ambulance, even after strangling SW even if he “knew” the girls were already gone? If he had just found her on top of CiCi, there could have at least still been hope for her. His story doesn’t line up and he has proven himself a liar. He latched onto the first “lifeline” thrown to him and fell for it 🤷🏻♀️ SW didn’t seem to be a good mother much at all, some of the videos really hurt my heart and some make me physically cringe (the water spraying video, bathroom counter struggling video, wtf??) but I don’t believe that she was the one that killed the girls.
They had their phone records. He spoke with NK BEFORE SW got home but not after. Not even texts.
Was her social media presence and her reliance on harsh parenting styles out of control? Yes. But I am from the south and her SM about the kids and the MLM are not that unique.
Her social media style is not exclusively a southern thing. It's a mlm thing.
I shouldn’t have referenced where I’m from. In this forum some people act like Shanann’s social media presence and participation in the MLM makes her super evil and her behavior is unheard of. I think it’s gross, but her behaviors aren’t new to me. I assumed people in other areas may not experience these people, I was wrong.
They are everywhere
Shanann was from New Jersey and only moved to NC as a teen
MLMs are everywhere because they are scamming people online with social media. I was trying to say that Shannan’s SM is not that unique. Go on Tiktok and someone is promising the “secret” to help cortisol levels, hocking TikTok shop garbage made in China or just dry begging. Go to Facebook, you’ll get some more MLMs, people using it like a diary, without a care in the world about their children’s safety. Go to IG and see people’s curated and filtered lives with links to their Amazon forefront
Yeah, that is true. I keep getting videos promoting crypto investing and videos about improving the texture of my hair on my social media- so annoying
Wait...I need to improve the texture of my hair! Umm, I'm sure it's an ahhmazing product...forward me that mmkay 😁
😂😂😂
I avoid those sm people like the plague.
SW was not from the South. She even said so in a FB post.
Depends on at what age you consider being from somewhere. Yes she was born in NJ but she was in NC by middle school if not elementary. So at least raised in the south
But...she doesn't say she.is.from the south, so still called herself a jersey girl 🤷🏼
She called herself a lot of things. She’s an unreliable narrator. I get your point though
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I had the unfortunate experience of coming across one of her videos criticizing Shannan the day they were playing with the canned whipped cream. In the video she was saying how terrible Shanann is for not giving Bella any, but then turns around and casually says that she only buys whipped cream cans for her dog and “for the whippet at the end of the can.” WHAT! Lmao why did she just throw that in there and then do her witch cackle like that’s just normal? And we’re supposed to be believing her takes on ANYTHING?? 😂
True. At first she cracked me up but it didn't take long to realize she's cracked!
Yeah I watched one of her videos and she is definitely very trashy. I don't recommend her channel at all.
I have my issues with how she presents herself as well but maybe stop with the "methhead" comment. There's no need for that.
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We already know CW is capable of murder. It would make sense he did all the murdering.
He only murdered Shannon in the heat of passion after she killed his precious little girls.
Sure, Jan.
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Yeah ok
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I have not watched the Idaho murders ones yet. The thing with her Watts videos is she hardly narrates any of them. She edits together the existing videos and comments on SM and let’s them speak for themselves. A lot of those videos and posts were deleted so are very enlightening. She does narrate sometimes so she does guide the viewer at times. What I am picking up from all the videos is blowing my mind. Very enlightening.
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Why the hell would she kill the children if she had MBP? That makes zero sense. The children were her tickets. There is zero evidence that Shanann did anything other than die that night.
Shanann's close friend said her first thought when she found out she and the girls were missing was that it was a murder/suicide, not that Chris killed them. Think about that. Anyone with MBP has zero empathy for their children. She could have been so mentally ill that she would rather the kids be dead than for Chris to divorce her and live happily ever after with another woman. She could have done it to punish Chris for the affair. Maybe she was going to kill herself but Chris did it first.
If she had MBP, then more than likely she was on the route to kill her kids. Just go ahead and read about other cases of MBP… it’s one of the highly lethal form of abuse. This alone speaks volumes.
Neeks Peeks is great. She was able to not change my mind entirely but made me entertain the idea that SW killed the girl’s. However, When I watched for 5th time Tammy the detective feed this idea to CW that SW killed the girls it was very obvious he hadn’t come up with that idea himself. And then bc that is sounding more appealing he runs with that and uses that excuse to save face with his dad.
I don't believe Shanann killed them, I believe they were collateral damage. But the videos were eye opening to watch and confirm what I already suspected; that Shanann viewed them as little props and accessories, an extension of herself.
Keep in mind this is part of the team that decided cw strangled sw because he touched his neck a few times during his interview. On the cop cam from Monday August 13th when NA was at the house she touched her neck for a total of 40 times but I didn't hear them mention anything about that.
I have had a mini panic attack from anxiety a few times. I will touch my neck and pull at my collar. I’m not sure why I do that but I’m not even thinking about it. Just saying the panic was high with them atm so it could have been that reason. Just like CW swaying back and forth
What you said . Also, cw had a bug bite on the left side of his neck , that could be a reason also. The bug bite was noted at the Sunday afternoon birthday party he attended with the girls
During the FBI interview he said while he was strangling SW she said not to hurt the kids. The problem is he's such an incredible liar who knows what to believe. He said when Bella came in SW was face down, leaving me to believe he choke holded her from behind (why not defensive marks). And now the new story that he tried stuffing CC in the basement freezer where the dogs hit. I think CC was brain damaged from the first attempt on her life so he had to carry her to the truck. Thats why he murdered CC first. Wouldn't you have murdered the older, stronger child first? Also thats why you only see one shadow being lifted up into truck, being Bella. CC had already been placed there. Jmo
I wouldn’t believe anything that Watts said in that February 2019 Wisconsin prison ‘interview’. He was threatened and coerced into saying that he killed the girls. He never did admit it prior to that ‘interview’ because, he didn’t do it. He only said that when they threatened the lives of him and his family. The DA came out a month after that interview and admitted that his ‘confession’ did not match the evidence…..Chris was pulling things out of thin air. It was a combination of Cadle’s BS and that psychic that called in in the very beginning of the case.
Yeah he has lied so much you can't believe anything he said and he keeps changing his story. He's a compulsive liar.
Other than the forced interview in the Wisconsin prison, have you ever heard Watts say that he killed the girls?
He said she said he was hurting the baby - inside her, by sitting on her.
Your theory is just as valid as any other. Thank you for sharing it. There was no trial, and nothing but bad or maybe incompetent actors in this tragedy. Those innocent babies will never get the justice they deserve, just like they didn't get the affection and security every child deserves while they were alive. Shannon's time of death is a mystery. The girls' demise is even more inchoate. Yes, we all know the gruesome details of how their remains were treated postmortem by their murdering pos father... but did he kill them Sunday night after the birthday party? Were they smothered onsite at Cervi early the next morning? Did one, both or neither leave the house alive? No one knows.
That's the saddest part of it all. Those girls were not shown love the way every child should experience, then were murdered and nobody knows what really happened except for their father.
I agree Shannan killed the girls. that's a big decision. Chris was not a big decisions guy. He's a "if you want me to" guy. Shannan took a photo of a doll wrapped in a sheet a few weeks before and threatened to CHOKE Dieter, the small hotdog. Shannan was in an unbearable situation and unstable. She had GIVEN UP on Thrive. She was a trapped in a marriage with a baby on the way. She didn't even want to go to the OBGYN? why not? Chris was a clean up man. He took a polygraph, failed a polygraph then confesses the SECOND the FBI says "I can't leave here and think SHE had something to do with this". Nikki had already moved on. The man in a woman's body had already reverted back to her masculine form and was little more than a phone buddy on Monday night for Chris. One of the guys. But one desperate to remain out of the case.
"Chris was not a big decisions guy. He's a "if you want me to" guy." True and also why people theorize that NK was involved and put him up to it. I used to think he was just really good at hiding his dark side from others before the murders. But now I see there was a lot more to the story I didn't know.
he wasn’t a big decisions guy until he didn’t want to be with sw anymore.l and decided they were selling the house. he chose to have an affair and had no problems telling her he didn’t want to work on the marriage. he was definitely not in that same subservient mindset when the murders happened. i do think it’s shady af that nk can’t come up with what they talked about on that long phone call tho.
I just watched a neeks peeks video about a jailhouse informant that was Watts’ roommate in jail for a few days who claims that Watts confided in him that Watts and NK plotted the whole thing together, and that NK killed the girls because she didn’t think Chris could go through with it, and that Chris killed Shannan. Who knows if it’s true, but it seems plausible to me.
In the beginning this was speculated. When he's asked what other way there is out of the house, he immediately says out the back there's no cameras. And they found tire tracks next to the fence right out from the back deck. It was speculated that she went in and out that large basement window so as not to tip the security system. Accomplices could have been out there and taken the bodies. Or, it could have happened the way the official story is told. The video leaves room for that even if they didn't get proper evidence out of the truck.
I haven't seen that one yet. Do you remember the title? My husband has been theorizing that for a while now. Seeing just how crazy Shannann actually was has thrown me for a loop.
I couldn’t find which one, but the jail bunkie’s name is David Carter, if that helps when you search it.
Thanks I will look for that one!!
You’re welcome! I also agree Neeks Peeks are so interesting, I got sucked in as well!
I agree 💯 OP. Although I differ a little bit, because im convinced that Sandy played a role in this coverup somehow and SOMEWAY by using NA as her minion. How else can ANYONE ever possibly explain how Sandy calked detectives and told them she believes that CW killed and poured oil on the girls? If you read the entire discovery and the detective call logs, she was hounding the detectives for information, she was also doing everything she could to "lead" them in a certain direction.. Including anonymous women having affairs with Anadarko workers..... "look into the secret calculator app" which just so happens to be what CW/NK were using. Mystery clairvoyant psychics with suspiciously terrible spelling and grammar closely resembling Sandy. The fake "secret overs" who just so happened to be coincidentally tied to NA/Sandy who seemed to be planted there to cement a particular narrative about CW All of the womenS INTERVIEWS within the thrive circle sounded rehearsed coached and damn near with bullet points they wanted planted into the minds of L.E One detective finally gets impatient and says, ok...but did you actually WITNESS this firsthand, or are you repeating what you've already heard from someone else bc you ladies get together and talk? Their interviews and timelines even manage to bring up nutgate in the exact same way and ofc They all deride Cindy and paint her as a monster (Sandy's doing imo) It's far too suspiciously matchy matchy. The fact of the matter is, that they're covering something. They all knew that SW was mentally unhinged at that point, but typical for MLM huns: in spite of all of their talk about health, mental clarity, positivity and "wellness" they really couldn't be bothered with much more than superficial lip service when SW needed serious help. SW had much more of a motive and she fits the profile to a T. I think SANDY knew before CW did that SW did something to hurt herself or the kids. I think SANDY said something to CW which sealed the deal for him taking the fall. Im not saying CW was a saint. But I don't think he killed the kids, I just don't.
No.
This is a very interesting take! It does make something make sense that didnt originally.