Where are you from? I'm from Indiana and we weren't required to take drivers Ed. I never did. Had to find out most things the hard way. I know some places require it, though.
I had a driveway that was slightly sloped to one side, and the ground over there dropped rather quickly (culvert).
It was covered in ice and I didn't know... I moved sightly and started sliding real slow. Stopped everything and applied the brakes, and just kept sliding. Reeeeeeal slow like. Till two wheels went off the edge and thankfully bit into the grass / dirt there.
There was no getting it back on the pad though and trying just made it worse so I just went back inside and gave up. Next morning I was staring at it trying to decide what to do and a couple neighbors happened to drive by in a jeep with a winch and helped me out. Even that was hair raising due to the angles involved. It was up on three wheels (maybe two) before it sorta popped around and straightened out to be properly pulled.
The sudden realization that whether or not you are going to die is completely out of your control. If there was a truck in the other lane, or if my car had drifted to the right...
Yeah it sucks! Just thankful I've not run into that on an actual road. I did come close though with another car in the same neighborhood though. Section of road dips down for a long ways then back up.
Car started to lose traction near the top of it coming out. I barely eked over the hilltop, but really thought I was just going to slide backwards into the valley for a bit. Fun times.
Sucks, normally I run slightly wider than factory tires, as they handle better. But in the winter you don't want wider tires, so I run standard sized on the rims. So switching to steelies in the winter with those tires is worth it.
Yeah, I had plans on going to wider tires but I just got this a few months ago and it had brand new pirellis so I just kept them on. My actual plan was new wheels and then sell these, Audi wheels generally pull in decent money, but now I am going to have to get these two repaired.
This is also decently more obvious than the black ice I've seen in the South during winter.
The black ice I hit once on my motorcycle was on somewhat fresh asphalt and was fucking *invisible* unless you got on your hands and knees to see it. Lucky for me, it was at slow speeds in a residential area, going around a corner.
That is bc northerners do not realize the south is not equipped plow trucks and enough salt to open cities. These things are apart of their daily winter lives. So when they hear the south is "shut down" they don't understand why... Not all...but alot
That and we don’t get snow by itself. The roads are almost always like this of it snows so isn’t just a matter of snow plows and on with your day. We’ll barely get any snow and yet have treacherous road conditions statewide.
At some point you treat EVERY darker spot of road like it is ice. Because the salted areas look Grey.. So If it's any darker.. It's likely from moisture freezing there!
I live in Wisconsin I can drive my 96 Grand Prix in a foot of snow no problem but this right here is what kills people or makes them wreck. People call it black ice but its basically Ice that blends in with the road and as soon as you hit it you have basically zero control of your car and basically pray one of your tires hits the pavement and grips before sliding into something.
So how you make it home though? Or to any destination? Is it just a matter of driving really slow? Or chains on the tires? Sorry, never lived in snowy areas...
On another note, glad you're OK.
So if possible, just don’t drive. If you absolutely have to take gravel roads. If that’s not possible drive a max of 50 mph even on the highway. Stay away from semis. If you can’t stop, it’ll take them waaaaay longer to stop. You could chain your tires but I don’t think that’s really common where I live (Northeastern Nebraska). If you have sand or salt bags, put them in the back so you don’t drift since most cars are front wheel drive. So essentially, don’t move if you can. If you have to go slow and avoid smooth roads. I hope this helps you and anyone not accustomed to the cold weather conditions
Yeah, even 50 mph is often too fast. I would only drive 50 mph in snowy conditions if there was very light traffic. If I noticed ice on the road, I'd definitely be going even slower.
It's a little scary learning how long it takes to stop on ice or snow for the first time.
1st rule of driving in the northern states/countries is to always drive the conditions. I live in northern Minnesota and have seen many times the highways moving at an absolute snails pace.
Tires gain friction the faster they go.
Friction causes heat.
Heat is the mortal enemy of ice.
Conclusion: Driving at top speed will cause enough friction heat to instantly melt ice on the roadway, providing enough traction to be safe.
Follow me for more winter driving tips and tricks.
Last time I checked our files yours was only 4.5 inches long but if you want to pretend it’s the full 12 inches then we’ll round it up and call it a foot. The customer is always right.
Right? This guy gets it.
Growing up in Northern Maine, I always found it funny when we’d be on the interstate doing about 40mph because of a snow storm, and you’d see people in an SUV fly by you doing 70. More often than not, you’d be doing 40 past them in a mile or two because they were in a ditch.
That's actually kind of an interesting question. [Seems maybe your phsyics teacher wasn't the only one?](https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-fast-must-you-throw-a-snowball-against-a-wall-in-order-to-make-it-melt.140871/)
I turned my ordinary pickup truck into a fantastic flying machine on a road surface just like this one. Through a guard rail and fifty feet into a farm field with nary a tire track to be seen. The flight was quite an experience but the landing was awfully abrupt.
Well maybe if that white snow wasn't putting down that black ice all the time it wouldn't be so dangerous
Lol love key and peele. Was hoping to see this reference
Probably because rules of tire traction is opposite on the snow compared to regular off roading. You want more ground pressure instead of more surface area, so thinner tires do better than those big off road tires you typically see on Jeeps
All of that plus it's a fair bit higher with a short wheel base. I personally considered it a road legal off road vehicle and did not use it as a daily driver unless my car was broke down.
Legit issue I have with my Subaru is the full time 4 wheel. I can drive forward with little to no slippage and have no idea how the roads truly are until I use my breaks. I might be able to accelerate and steer better than other vehicles but that means absolutely nothing when it comes to stopping
Edit: it wasn't mentioned because it wasn't the topic but OBVIOUSLY your tires are much more important than the drive train.
Also regardless of some kid acting like a jerk I'm the replies here, you all need to remember that if the road conditions cause concern for whether or not your vehicle can handle them, then slow down anyway.
Yes.At certain times of year, snow can fall, melt into water, and when the temperature drops below 0 again a few hours later it freezes as a very thin layer of ice. Because it’s so thin you don’t know it’s there so you can’t slow down or steer safely before you hit it.
I tried to cross a road covered in black ice the other day, fell on my ass and couldn't get up without falling down again. During that time that I repeatedly fell, 2 cars almost hit me.
Folks make fun of us in Oregon for "being afraid of 1in of snow" - but this is what our roads look like when it's "only an inch". Ice skating down a steep hill in a car is less fun and more terrifying.
Yarg! That there be black ice. It be the most dangerous ice ye may ever find when sailing the open roads.
Tall tales tell of trucks and tractors alike meeting tragic and un-timely ends when traversing such traitorous roads.
The worst thing is driving in the dark, after a snow, and you can't tell what's ice, what's clear, what's packed snow, what's faded asphalt , what's dry asphalt
If you learned to drive in snow country, you are not afraid. You make sensible decisions, which sometimes includes staying the fuck home.
Edit: And I don't know where the term "black ice" came from but when I was a kid in Michigan, it was just ice.
I can feel the ABS crunching underfoot
I thought I broke my car the first time my ABS deployed
really? they make us deploy it in driver's ed
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did that earlier this week, luckily i could just drive away with nothing but a scratch
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It’s not the best way to learn is it? I feel you
We didn’t have new enough vehicles when we took drivers ed to have ABS. Scared the crap outta me when i got a newer car.
Where are you from? I'm from Indiana and we weren't required to take drivers Ed. I never did. Had to find out most things the hard way. I know some places require it, though.
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...I used to hydroplane for fun back at uni good times gooooood tiiiimes
Engage neutral when aquaplaning on an automatic car? Have you ever driven an automatic car or aquaplaned?
Yeah I though my pedal stem was crumbling into gravel.
> knows what a pedal stem is > doesn't know what ABS is
Just curbed both my driver-side wheels because a very light dusting of snow covered the black ice and obscured it.
I totalled my first car ln that scenario. I eel you
When your car hits the curb and you feel quite perturbed, that’s a Moray.
When the car starts to slide and you almost fucking died that's a Morayyyyy
When you damage your wheels, and your friends sing of eels, That's a morayyy
Bada bada bing, Repairs gonna sting, Thaaaat's a moray.
When you grip the steering wheel, and hear crunching steel, that's a morayyyy.
When the eel bites your head, bites it clean off and your dead. That's a Mor ray.
r/angryupvote
When your car hits the ice and your rims pay the price, that’s a Morayyyy.
That is a perfect 10 comment. Thank you.
what kinda eel we talkin about here freakazoid. I might be in dammit.
A very slippery eel.
Eels! Eels! Eels! Eels!
# LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO >!:goatses:!<
Eels up inside ya! finding an entrance where they can!
Elements of the past and future combining to be something not as good as either.
That is some pretty niche Boosh referencing right there.
Edit:. https://youtu.be/Z_wgP8JwRcU
Escalators!
His hovercraft is full of them.
Someone has been learning Hungarian.
Unagi.
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"I eel you" is the best thing I've read today lol.
Is he gifting an eel? Is he a wizard who can turn people into eels? We may never know!
There's dozens of us! RIP to my old Honda Accord. That curb did her so dirty.
If you're the accord owner that sideswiped a curb trying to race me in Salem, Oregon, I'm here to say there was no ice there and we both know it
I had a driveway that was slightly sloped to one side, and the ground over there dropped rather quickly (culvert). It was covered in ice and I didn't know... I moved sightly and started sliding real slow. Stopped everything and applied the brakes, and just kept sliding. Reeeeeeal slow like. Till two wheels went off the edge and thankfully bit into the grass / dirt there. There was no getting it back on the pad though and trying just made it worse so I just went back inside and gave up. Next morning I was staring at it trying to decide what to do and a couple neighbors happened to drive by in a jeep with a winch and helped me out. Even that was hair raising due to the angles involved. It was up on three wheels (maybe two) before it sorta popped around and straightened out to be properly pulled.
Nothing worse than that feeling of zero control and just being along for the ride.
The sudden realization that whether or not you are going to die is completely out of your control. If there was a truck in the other lane, or if my car had drifted to the right...
Yeah it sucks! Just thankful I've not run into that on an actual road. I did come close though with another car in the same neighborhood though. Section of road dips down for a long ways then back up. Car started to lose traction near the top of it coming out. I barely eked over the hilltop, but really thought I was just going to slide backwards into the valley for a bit. Fun times.
Absolutely! One of the scariest situations to be in!
I went into a ditch last week. Snow dust on ice is just unfair.
Sucks, normally I run slightly wider than factory tires, as they handle better. But in the winter you don't want wider tires, so I run standard sized on the rims. So switching to steelies in the winter with those tires is worth it.
Yeah, I had plans on going to wider tires but I just got this a few months ago and it had brand new pirellis so I just kept them on. My actual plan was new wheels and then sell these, Audi wheels generally pull in decent money, but now I am going to have to get these two repaired.
If you have 2 sets of rims you should be running winters or even better studded tires.
Slipperier than Teflon Don...
For me, I don't see that shite until I'm right on top of lol
Or until I get out of my flipped ass truck and look at the street for answers
i dont see that shit til my cars at a 45 degree angle
I'm from the Southern US and it strikes horror in mine.
Right This is why the southern US shuts down.
This is also decently more obvious than the black ice I've seen in the South during winter. The black ice I hit once on my motorcycle was on somewhat fresh asphalt and was fucking *invisible* unless you got on your hands and knees to see it. Lucky for me, it was at slow speeds in a residential area, going around a corner.
black ice is almost impossible to see...
And impossible not to smell once a day if you're a mechanic...
Some people won't get that. Black seems to be everywhere sometimes.
It's transparent and sneaky
[It'll rob you of your balance](https://youtu.be/efiW2K8gASM?t=32)
But we also get shit on for it :0
That is bc northerners do not realize the south is not equipped plow trucks and enough salt to open cities. These things are apart of their daily winter lives. So when they hear the south is "shut down" they don't understand why... Not all...but alot
That and we don’t get snow by itself. The roads are almost always like this of it snows so isn’t just a matter of snow plows and on with your day. We’ll barely get any snow and yet have treacherous road conditions statewide.
And exactly nobody runs winter tires, because why would you when it snows once every other year?
Yup. We don’t prepare for it because it’s not a regular part of our lives. Just easier to not have school that day and then go back to normal.
Yeah, I grew up in the south where it never snows and now I live where it snows quite a bit. The attitudes are very different
Yup. We don’t prepare for it because it’s not a regular part of our lives. Just easier to not have school that day and then go back to normal.
I'm in Arizona and apparently this is black ice?
It’s not, this is super obvious thick ice, black ice is thin pristine ice you can’t really see, it just looks like a patch of wet pavement.
At some point you treat EVERY darker spot of road like it is ice. Because the salted areas look Grey.. So If it's any darker.. It's likely from moisture freezing there!
I’m from the PNW and this picture definitely scares me
I’m in Miami and idk wtf I’m even looking at 😂
I live in Wisconsin I can drive my 96 Grand Prix in a foot of snow no problem but this right here is what kills people or makes them wreck. People call it black ice but its basically Ice that blends in with the road and as soon as you hit it you have basically zero control of your car and basically pray one of your tires hits the pavement and grips before sliding into something.
Black ice on a road. Super dangerous.
Ice? You mean the stuff they crush up to make pina coladas?
Just had to drive through that horror 10 minutes ago. Slid through 2 stop lights and did a 360
Jeez... glad you're okay
Thank you <3 random human. Sleep tight :)
So how you make it home though? Or to any destination? Is it just a matter of driving really slow? Or chains on the tires? Sorry, never lived in snowy areas... On another note, glad you're OK.
So if possible, just don’t drive. If you absolutely have to take gravel roads. If that’s not possible drive a max of 50 mph even on the highway. Stay away from semis. If you can’t stop, it’ll take them waaaaay longer to stop. You could chain your tires but I don’t think that’s really common where I live (Northeastern Nebraska). If you have sand or salt bags, put them in the back so you don’t drift since most cars are front wheel drive. So essentially, don’t move if you can. If you have to go slow and avoid smooth roads. I hope this helps you and anyone not accustomed to the cold weather conditions
Thank you! 50mph in the highway?! I've seen videos where it looks like they're going 20 and still crashing!
Yeah, even 50 mph is often too fast. I would only drive 50 mph in snowy conditions if there was very light traffic. If I noticed ice on the road, I'd definitely be going even slower. It's a little scary learning how long it takes to stop on ice or snow for the first time.
Our roads are pretty empty. I’m assuming you’re watching the videos where idiots are flying through fog
1st rule of driving in the northern states/countries is to always drive the conditions. I live in northern Minnesota and have seen many times the highways moving at an absolute snails pace.
I understand black ice sucks, but running stop signs and doing donuts is not appropriate! /s
Saw this instantly and was almost fuming lol. It’s tradition in the Midwest
*Deja vu! I've just been in this place before...*
Tires gain friction the faster they go. Friction causes heat. Heat is the mortal enemy of ice. Conclusion: Driving at top speed will cause enough friction heat to instantly melt ice on the roadway, providing enough traction to be safe. Follow me for more winter driving tips and tricks.
You’d better take out that extended warranty I’ve been calling you about.
Oh, so you’re the one! I’ve blocked your number countless times, yet you keep calling!
I have like 4000 phone numbers, besides which I’m lying underneath your bed right now. One signature is all I need and I’ll even throw in a massage.
Foot massage? Sign me up!
Last time I checked our files yours was only 4.5 inches long but if you want to pretend it’s the full 12 inches then we’ll round it up and call it a foot. The customer is always right.
Woooooow, lol. *Slow clap*
*my god*
i don’t think god was a party to *that* massacre
😱
Additionally, the faster you drive, the sooner you’ll be at your destination and out of the bad road conditions.
thats right the faster you drive you can make it past the crash before it happens...
Right? This guy gets it. Growing up in Northern Maine, I always found it funny when we’d be on the interstate doing about 40mph because of a snow storm, and you’d see people in an SUV fly by you doing 70. More often than not, you’d be doing 40 past them in a mile or two because they were in a ditch.
yep see, its obvious they shoulda been doing 100 that way they would of gotten past the ditch before they crashed...
I didn’t know submarines traveled above ground.
As I always point out at large events like leaving a sports stadium, "This would all do much faster if everyone pushed."
Oh, hey there, Satan! How ya been?
r/shittylifeprotips
Seems legit. Don’t let your insurance company see this though.
Insurance companies try to hide this one simple trick
You forgot “in your area” and copious exclamation marks!
Also, the faster you go the less time your tires will have to be in contact with the ice!
Thats why your not supposed to brake, you're actually supposed to gun it and melt the ice.
Instructions unclear, spedo says 150mph, but I'm pretty sure I can walk faster than this from looking out the window.
This reminded me of my physics teacher asking how fast you need to throw a snowball to have it melt on impact.
That's actually kind of an interesting question. [Seems maybe your phsyics teacher wasn't the only one?](https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-fast-must-you-throw-a-snowball-against-a-wall-in-order-to-make-it-melt.140871/)
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Is it in a frictionless vacuum? Because then the ice will just sublimate, no matter how fast you throw it
I turned my ordinary pickup truck into a fantastic flying machine on a road surface just like this one. Through a guard rail and fifty feet into a farm field with nary a tire track to be seen. The flight was quite an experience but the landing was awfully abrupt.
Not sure if it's intentional, but I enjoy your alliteration
Alliteration is always intentional.
Not necessarily, but nevermind.
Nice nonetheless.
Are you a writer? This reads really pleasantly.
I dabble a bit.
#confused screaming Black ice
Scary, tricky, *ruthless* stuff that black ice... A perfectly safe neighbourhood can be suddenly terrorized by the appearance of black ice
Just the other day i was walking down the sidewalk and some black ice snuck up on me and robbed me…of my balance
Well maybe if that white snow wasn't putting down that black ice all the time it wouldn't be so dangerous Lol love key and peele. Was hoping to see this reference
I scrolled through this just to see if key and Peele was mentioned!
Reminds me of that time I slipped on black ice downtown and got laughed at by another guy, only for him to instantly slip as well. Good times.
One time it was so icy that I almost ran myself over.
also have slipped and walked up my own ass
Ah, I see you're a man of qwopture as well.
Almost as terrifying as oppressive white snow
Ouch, that should just like something black ice would do.
It wouldn't be a problem, if the back ice wasnt oppressed by the white snow!
Obligatory Key and Peele https://youtu.be/efiW2K8gASM
iT’s Ok I hAvE fOuR wHeEl DrIvE
This is the Texans that live in Colorado, that think 4 wheel drive means 4 wheel stop.
Don’t be ridiculous. “Texas edition” pickups are rear-wheel drive only.
Haha fair point
This also applies to the entirety of southern Ontario.
Lol, yep.
It's fun driving by Texans who bought Jeeps and can't drive them in the snow with my sedan
I have a jeep with a decent lift, great for mud and other off reading. Worst vehicle for winter driving I have ever driven.
Probably because rules of tire traction is opposite on the snow compared to regular off roading. You want more ground pressure instead of more surface area, so thinner tires do better than those big off road tires you typically see on Jeeps
All of that plus it's a fair bit higher with a short wheel base. I personally considered it a road legal off road vehicle and did not use it as a daily driver unless my car was broke down.
And thats how a lot end up in the ditch
I passed at least 5 trucks in the snowbanks in my kia forte this year
Four wheel drive is only useful in getting going. It does shit for slowing or stopping. I wish ads for them would be clearer.
Yes its not about just fourwheel drive its about how good the driver is
Says every GI that moved on base in Anchorage Alaska!!
If you can’t Dodge it, RAM it!
Says every Phoenix and Tucson kid upon their first snow experience in Flagstaff.
Legit issue I have with my Subaru is the full time 4 wheel. I can drive forward with little to no slippage and have no idea how the roads truly are until I use my breaks. I might be able to accelerate and steer better than other vehicles but that means absolutely nothing when it comes to stopping Edit: it wasn't mentioned because it wasn't the topic but OBVIOUSLY your tires are much more important than the drive train. Also regardless of some kid acting like a jerk I'm the replies here, you all need to remember that if the road conditions cause concern for whether or not your vehicle can handle them, then slow down anyway.
*sigh* *slides past stopsign at 5mph*
Tesla flex?
Fuck I nearly rear ended someone in a snowstorm when I was going 10km/hr and he was 40 feet in front of me. Ice sucks.
Yeah lol, my car is old enough to not have abs and it just slides everywhere if you aren't careful
I cannot see this without thinking of the Key and Peele sketch. Black Ice does not exist without White Snow.
[black ice](https://youtu.be/efiW2K8gASM)
Just don’t turn, stop, or accelerate and you’ll be fine
Trex rules when it comes to ice: NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS
Every winter. First it snows. Then temperature goes above 0°C, snow melts a little bit, then it freezes. Gotta love it
You know those “This is my Nth Subaru” decals? This is how you +1 your Subaru decals.
Im from brazil so i didn't umderstood,can someone explain ? Like this is ice and makes driving extremelly dangerous ?
It's black ice, which is nearly invisible on roads, so it's particularly dangerous
Yes.At certain times of year, snow can fall, melt into water, and when the temperature drops below 0 again a few hours later it freezes as a very thin layer of ice. Because it’s so thin you don’t know it’s there so you can’t slow down or steer safely before you hit it.
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You know how you can convince your car to go where you want it to and stop when you need to? That doesn't happen on black ice.
It’s slippery so yes
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Thanks. I hate it.
I tried to cross a road covered in black ice the other day, fell on my ass and couldn't get up without falling down again. During that time that I repeatedly fell, 2 cars almost hit me.
I just slipped on this picture
Is it just wet or are we going to slide into that wall? I guess we'll find out together!
That looks like my wife and I are having a cozy night in together.
Just canceled tomorrow's appointment because of this.
My mom's best friend died when she hit a patch of that. It's always so unexpected
Folks make fun of us in Oregon for "being afraid of 1in of snow" - but this is what our roads look like when it's "only an inch". Ice skating down a steep hill in a car is less fun and more terrifying.
Yarg! That there be black ice. It be the most dangerous ice ye may ever find when sailing the open roads. Tall tales tell of trucks and tractors alike meeting tragic and un-timely ends when traversing such traitorous roads.
I'm from Florida. What is this picture?
Black ice on the roads. It’s very hard to see, and it’s slippery AF. As in your car is just suddenly going sideways kind of slippery
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Snow country wouldn't get like this. Roads would be well salted before this happens.
And school is still open with no delay
I felt my car groan in the garage
My elbows and ass feel this...
If someone calls the police on it they’ll try to destroy it at least ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The worst thing is driving in the dark, after a snow, and you can't tell what's ice, what's clear, what's packed snow, what's faded asphalt , what's dry asphalt
If you learned to drive in snow country, you are not afraid. You make sensible decisions, which sometimes includes staying the fuck home. Edit: And I don't know where the term "black ice" came from but when I was a kid in Michigan, it was just ice.
Nobody can drive on black ice.
Driving on black ice isn't so hard. Stopping or turning corners on black ice is, however, impossible.
Average Tuesday tbh
Dude....i just peed a little.
As a plow driver for a city that is about our biggest fear. Add snow on top of that ramps up that fear ten fold.
Yup yup, that’s a good day to not leave the house