Ah, that one is easy. I haven't seen it brought up in quite a while so maybe the larger fanbase has forgotten about it but [Stepping On Worm](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11359049/1/Stepping-On-Worm) is probably the worst that we have. A creepy guy with no concept of how the Worm verse actually works making up shit and acting like a genius for just making up rules that let him win.
Very much a free answer given the author and the rant he goes on in the very first chapter about how 'shit' Worm is *despite admitting not to have read it*.
Oh god, Prefect Lionheart’s made a worm fic? I’ve recently read a MST of Partially Kissed Hero so seeing that this fic was also by them caused me to go oh my.
Partially Kissed Hero is an awful fic, but it's also mostly so bad it's good if you treat it as a crack fic. Except for the racist parts. But other than that it's actually a fairly fun read. Stepping on Worm isn't really fun at all though.
I read the first chapter and surprisingly, the SPAG isn't too bad. Some of the ideas even have the potential to be interesting. It seems that the author has his head up his own ass so far that he's unable to leverage any of his strengths to write anything worth reading, at least in this fic.
He used to be well regarded in the *Ranma 1/2* and *Naruto* fandoms for interesting ideas and his ability to make an overpowered self-insert and then still find ways to make life difficult for said character. He's gotten worse, unfortunately.
That genuinely sucks. I was hoping he would be one of those writers who had a bad start and then got better later. To hear that he did the opposite is really sad.
The author self-inserts into Worm as a twelve-year-old with no metaknowledge, gives himself magic by asking Leet to build him a VR video game simulator and learning magic in-game, murders forty gang members in broad daylight and gets the public to approve of it because she's wearing Christmas-themed clothing (yes, there's a gender flip involved), and begins forming a harem. Hopefully that's enough information for you to decide whether it's worth reading.
Christ on a hat that’s insanity. I skimmed the first halter and saw some stuff about a Soviet Cold War with China which made very little sense(were they supposed to be eden and scion?) and was just annoyed by the sentence structure and how the perspective flipped like five times in a single paragraph
The problem with Stepping on Worm comes down to the fact it was written to prove how dumb Wildbows characters were and how others or rather the "big genius" that is PerfectLionheart could do so much better.
The problem is that Lionhearts "brilliant" solution can be summed up as "I just asspulled an out of context power that let's me break all of Worms established rules, my god Taylor was so fucking stupid for not just pulling new powers out of her ass like me!" so you can guess why the fic is less than highly regarded.
That's also not getting into the authors massive yet paper thin ego or the numerous issues that plague his stories due to Lionheart taking any and all criticism as personal attacks.
Oh. Lionheart. I recognize that name, though not the story. And its enough to convince me to stay far away.
My introduction to fanfiction was when I was looking for information on the release date of the next Harry Potter book, something like 20 years ago. Went from that to Buffy the Vampire Slayer and expanded from there. Still probably my two biggest fandoms, though.
>(were they supposed to be eden and scion?)
Yup. The author kind of brushes over the fact that a live Eden would result in a *very* different Wormverse, one that doesn't include the Protectorate or most of the other canon power structures, and does his own thing. Ironically, he complains endlessly about how grimdark Worm is in his author's notes...then creates an AU where the Protectorate is forced hire Nilbog (yes, he still ate a city), where they work closely with Heartbreaker (he still...yeah), and where both Entities are alive and actively screwing up the world.
And as you pointed out, the story has a *big* problem with "show, don't tell" and weird sentence structure.
I honestly don’t know what he was thinking. The impression I got from a *lot* of what I read was that all he knows about canon is an extremely exaggerated version of every fanon stereotype you can name, from the whole grimdark thing to fanon Piggot to robo-Armsmaster.
There’s some shapeshifting involved after the gender-flip (because reasons), so thankfully, PL at least gets aged up to 16-18 or so. IIRC it’s a harem of OCs, one of whom is a Sailor Jupiter expy and the rest of whom are….no fucking clue, I was skimming at that point and they all had the same personality copy-pasted onto each other. It’s probably somewhere in the later chapters.
Shitty author famous for writing twisted fics and responding to all criticism by tripling down decides to write SI-ish fic for a fandom he actively hates despite never actually reading the work; it goes about as well as you'd expect.
The Panacea Quest. I'd say it's so infamous it took me weeks to get a straight answer on why nobody wanted to mention it or say what the plot is about.
No, you are thinking of Monster by Xicree. There was an actual quest called Panacea Quest by WyldCard4. It started on Spacebattles and I'm pretty sure it was the cause of one of the purges? In any case it moved to QQ when it was kicked from SB and was completed there.
Nothing in particular. The actual action happened in Worm, but a lot of people missed that Amy raped Vicky during Worm.
It's there in the text of Worm, it isn't a retcon - a lot of people just seemed to forget it happened or not notice it until Vicky became the main character of Ward and reacted negatively to being in the same room as her rapist.
Ward-Panacea wasn't any better than her Worm counterpart. She did a lot of fucked-up stuff.
Worm spoiler, but just read Worm.
It was during the nine arc, when Amy was trying to fix
Vicky after she got melted. It happened somewhere between the part where she forced Vicky to fall in love with her and turning her into a flesh shard. The whole thing is very fucked, and Amy's own culpability is questionable given Jack Slash's whole deal, but it happens.
What's also fucked up is how sympathetic Amy is portrayed in the aftermath in Worm. Like - I've rarely read any works of fiction that were this *positive* about a rapist character.
It isn’t a retcon, but it is hellava vaguely worded in the original text that a lot of people interpreted it differently.
That, and the general “hey, that **actually** ain’t so” contrary hinting that’s present in a lot of Wibbilywobbily’s WoG to the point there’s a WoG revolt meant that even today people are denying the full scope of that rape... or it even happened...
... or that, and this is my stance, the causes behind that rape justifies a “lighter” Amy in fanfiction. After all, if events proceeded differently, especially if Amy never got whammies by Jack Slash himself, it is possible she never had her “one bad day” and could have gotten a different future...
Her "one bad day" is absolutely what crosses the line for Amy, yeah. Up until she rewrites Victoria's brain the first time, Amy's innocent. Kind of a bitch with SHITLOAD of problems in desperate need of therapy and probably removal from her current living environment? Absolutely, but not yet crossed the line to become a bad person.
Then Shaper sets off on Victoria after Amy's encounter with Bonesaw, and it all goes downhill from there as she runs away, repeatedly refuses to take any responsibility for her actions, and eventually culminates in the aforementioned rape.
It totally was vaguely worded in the original text though, I'll give it that. Not helped by iirc there was at least one comment from Wildbow at the time along the lines of him specifically not having any trigger events or anything directly involve rape during Worm, because he wasn't entirely confident on if he could portray that sufficiently well. Obviously that changed by the time of Ward because he took it from "kind of implied but easily missed by many readers" to "explicitly happened, Amy raped Victoria do not pass Go do not collect $200."
Oh god... That monstrosity... Having read some of it out of doomed curiosity I suddenly understood the heavy handed nature of the SB Mobs when it comes to Worm fics.
Monster? Wait. I think we're talking about different things.
The Panacea Quest has Amy >!brainwashing Victoria and other girls into becoming madly in love with her to the point Heartbreaker would be proud!<.
It's not quite as infamous as, say, Stepping on Worm, but the following is a direct excerpt from [this](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/betrayal-worm-fic.498004/#post-31984252) 'so bad its good' fic (the character is Miss Militia):
> I felt the car swerve off the road and slam into something knocking me out of my chair. I quickly got up and checked Velocity’s pulse. His heart was still. Luckily Dauntless seemed to still be alive. Sadly it was pretty obvious he was gonna die. He was unconscious and slowly bleeding out. I put my gun to his head and I fired. “goodbye my friend. You will be missed”
Anyway, I would say Worm fanfic's "that one fic" is Taylor Varga. Not because it is anywhere near as bad as My Immortal or, in Worm fanfic's case, Stepping on Worm; on the contrary, it isn't bad at all on a technical level and many actually like it's slice of life. However, it became infamous for being "that fic" where nothing ever happens for almost 2 million words, and nothing is still happening, yet for some reason people keep recommending it to others, which frustrates some people that felt like their time was wasted trying to get to the 'good parts' that were never coming.
Is that... a chapter summary? That has to be, right? Forget the bad syntax repetition and why you'd kill anyone so impulsively, that much emotional flip-flopping in a single paragraph is insane.
I said this in the original comment, yes. Although not eye-bleeding terrible like the others, Taylor Varga is still the most "that one fic" in the fandom in terms of the "infamy vs how many people know about it / have an opinion on it" ratio.
Moreover, to be fair, if someone held a gun to my head and made me choose between having to read the entirety of either Stepping on Worm or Taylor Varga, I'd probably choose Stepping on Worm because at least then it would be over faster. About 10 times faster, in fact. Stepping on Worm is almost 100k words long.
I was about 130 chapters in on Taylor Varga when I lost my apartment due to a fire in April. Haven't gotten around to getting back to it, though I'd already started taking breaks from it, reading other fics before coming back to it.
i hate taylor varga because when i started reading it, i was really hoping for a leviathan vs taylor shiwdown. and then that “the endbringers are afraid if her” bullshit happened.
Plenty happens in Taylor Varga, it's a slice of life comedy, which the worm fanbase is apparently incapable of comprehending. I think it is one of the greatest fanfics I have read in my 20 years of reading fanfics.
TV spends alot of words hyping every single action its going to do. It can spend 100,000 words just describing how awesome the thing on Thursday is going to be while still stuck on Monday. The slice of life is not the problem its how it repeats everything it said on Monday on Tuesday with a different character so it can trick you into believing theirs new content involved. Thats the problem people have with it.
I still disagree it's simply people focusing on the wrong aspect of the fanfiction the main point of the whole story is the Slice of Life. Any references to Future action scenes or fights is simply a side aspect and it really shouldn't hype them up especially after reading this much of Taylor Varga. The fact they still focus on those little tidbits shows that they really just do not understand the point of the of the story which is the nice wholesome Slice of Life. The happy world of the Taylor Varga provides a refuge from the more often grimdark world of worm in a way that's still entertains provided you chill out a bit. People who complain that the plot is not moving along are simply like people who go to a rom-com movie expecting a Slaughter fest horror film. They have simply grossly misunderstood what the hell is going on. This a flaw on their part not the stories. Additionally, I for one find the multiple points of view of each action amusing. But in the end that's just my opinion and I'm not looking to force it on anyone.
Stop talking about the Action Scenes thats not what I was going with when I said its hyping things up. For example when they were planning to clear the Boat Graveyard it spent 100,000 words saying did you hear their somehow going to clean it in one day. Let's spread the word to everyone about it. Then character 2 would say did you hear their somehow going to clean it in one day. While character 3 would go did you hear something is happening at the Boat Graveyard.
So when someone says the [Action](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/action) is not happening they're not talking about a Slaughter fest horror film. They're talking about why has the [Action](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/action)"Clean The Boat Graveyard" hasn't happened yet. The audience knows what to expect the in-universe characters know its going to happen. So why are you wasting time instead of getting to the [Action](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/action) "Clean The Boat Graveyard"
"Slice of Life" is still supposed to have plot, conflict, and progression, just of a *social* kind as opposed to combat (in the case of action genres) or discovery (in the case of mystery genres) kinds. As the other commenter said, TV has almost no progression to speak of, instead padding wordcount with the same non-event over and over with little actually changing at all.
A massive portion of the fic is the equivalent of a power-testing scene, and those are rarely good even when only one chapter is spent upon them. Add that to the fact that most of the things that actually 'happen' are really just the same recycled joke ("haha eldritch lizards scare and confuse silly Worm people, snicker") with little variation, and you get a very drawn-out, boring overall experience. Again, the 'slice of life' isn't the problem, there are plenty of good slice of life fics, but those actually have a little something called 'pacing'.
> I think it is one of the greatest fanfics I have read in my 20 years of reading fanfics.
lol
The only "best of" Taylor Varga deserves recognition for is its sheer size, which I will admit is impressive in a "what the fuck are you doing" kind of way. Otherwise, it is at best mediocre, and many if not most would disagree with even that rating.
On ao3 there's 2 fics which deserve to be infamous
One is called "sexual assault panda"
The other is called "Dragon!Taylor: The most fucked up story you'll ever read, probably."
They're... something else
It's just so weird. It's basically this OC ward gets this power that originally only activates when he's asleep. The power is a projection of this like weird ass creature that literally just goes around and rapes/assaults female capes. And the frickin condition to make the projection disappear was something stupid like the girl has to have an orgasm or something. Oh and after the women got assaulted, they also got mastered to NEED to tell some authority like the police or a hero.
It's so fucking just...Idek
Ah yes SAP, nearly 400k worlds of hot panda action, reminds me of ye olde days with such classics as Shinji's Nightmare Cataclysm (FYI Do NOT go looking for that fic if you are easily offended in any way) from a now dead site that wallowed in the dregs of the early 2000's far less restrained internet.
I remember trying to read a random chapter and Panda was joking about being a caveman going unga-boonga and drag women to cave... seemingly completely unaware that is basically what he did when he mastered his "harem". He even says it in front of one, which makes it even funnier.
It's not a terrible fic (or at least not in the same way that My Immortal is terrible), but Amelia is still definitely one of the most infamous fics in the fandom.
I think Amelia was at the time of its initial release an okay fic that has aged poorly with time as the fandom has evolved and many of its ideas have become borderline taboo. Or just cringy.
There were a lot of good points fanfics could learn from (power interactions being one of it's major sell points to me) but it does suffers from being old, and therefore working under assumptions that no longer work, and probably from stretching it's content to the point of becoming stagnant at times.
Basically just that it’s unclear whether the fridge horror is intentional, or if the author just semi-acknowledges it so they can write some incredibly dysfunctional relationships and portray them positively as long as they say it’s bad on paper. It’s kinda to ship fics what A Wand for Skitter or Kill them All are to more action driven fics.
Oh, yeah it was supposed to be fridge horror: the entire Lisa subplot was basically the author lampshading that, and saying “If you don’t want to read this as a creeping psychological horror story, leave now,” >!like Lisa does!<.
There’s an argument to be made that the story tells the reader that it’s bad rather than showing. Especially given that Lisa immediately goes and gets into one of those mind altering bond things herself after leaving, anyways.
All things being equal, a lot of people struggle with the difference between showing and telling in reading or writing. This fandom can sometimes be particularly bad about that because Worm relies heavily on an untrustworthy narrator and opportunistic side-characters. That may be true but unintentional and something that people infrequently notice
Well, I did feel it got to the show part when >!the original Taylor dies!< but later on it feels like it kind of forgets about it and it's just sort of mentioned that Pantheon's methods are beyond insane.
[Missionsword's Caught in your Web](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/missionswords-caught-in-your-web-amy-taylor-powerswap.713356/) but that's an intentional parody.
Also, there are certain Ack fics, now deleted, featuring Danny/Taylor incest.
Ack is a notorious Worm fanfic author. He's on all the major sites. He removed a lot of his NSFW stuff but it had some, uh, unconventional fetishes present, to say the least. A lot of people say even his SFW stuff is tainted by association - which I find sad. 'Security' was one of my favorite fics.
I'm all for fanfics being allowed to be about whatever weird shit people want, and I'll defend anyones right to post the most horrible stories imaginable. It's text. As long as it's not advocating any real world actions, it should have no real world consequences.
>A lot of people say even his SFW stuff is tainted by association - which I find sad.
It's been a while, so I might be misremembering, but the general feel I have of Ack fics is that they're a combination of creepy and sit-com . Creepy because you can sort of tell where, even if he doesn't spell it out, his mind is for sure going on a fetishy tangent. And I just don't really need to have a rapey aftertaste on my reading.
I understand that this isn't helpful critique but it boils down to "I feel like Ack's fetishes permeate all his fics".
Yeah, Ack fics are pretty technically competent and can be a fun read, but knowing about his interests really kind of sours them for me. There was one where Taylor talks about being bullied with her dad and he tells her he can hold her whenever she needs it, and she does that night in his bed. From any other author, I'd think it was an OK attempt at some emotional support and comfort. From Ack, Danny 'holding' Taylor in bed to comfort her just convinces me there was a deleted scene in there before he posted it, and it really squicks me out. Things like that just permeate his writing a bit too much.
"Technically competent" is IMO a very generous conclusion unless you're using "technically competent" to only mean "he can use a spell check".
But if you're including things like characterisation, voice, or other such technical matters of the writing craft, no; he's not technically competent. His characters end up mostly sounding the same, their persoanalities are boilerplate, and his prose is plodding.
Well, yeah, he can string a sentence together in a way that doesn't hurt to read and some of his stories, like that one where Taylor gets luck powers, are reasonably entertaining. His stories aren't that compelling - even the luck one I read a few chapters, laughed a little, and then had no interest in continuing - but they at least aren't painful to get through in terms of grammar, spelling, etc.
Oh jeez.
I didn't know Ack was like that, I just thought he was a mediocre writer with a few really well known fics so the sub hated him for being overhyped or something
He’s the guy who has like 60 WIPs. He’s also known as the guy who writes NSFW fics and then strips off the NSFW bits except for as joke lampshade stuff to put the fic on SB plus there are people who take issue with his other writing style choices. I’m not sure it’s 100% deserved (although admittedly I haven’t read his NSFW fics so I couldn’t tell you and I’m admittedly biased because I like some of his fix fics), but he’s been around both in the Worm Community and on this subreddit long enough that almost everyone who’s read worm fics has read one of his and has… strong opinions on him. If you want to start with what’s thought of as one of his better fics, try out [Hope Comes to Brockton Bay](https://m.fanfiction.net/s/9733439/1/Hope-Comes-to-Brockton-Bay).
At some point he did stop and wipe it out, I believe. I think he did a purge of that before he went to get published for original fiction, but I’m not 100% sure on the timing.
For me it's Kill them all.
It's not too bad to be worth mentioning, but imo it have quite memetic qualities that make it worst.
It have bad writing, but not too bad, just bad enough to give you tiny hope that it could be readable.
It have awful characters: absolutely brainless MC and absolutely cardboard and stupid everyone else.
It's leeching on other fandoms in a worst ways possible: making short and mostly useless voyages to other worlds just to steal from them and humiliate them, without any particular need or reason, just because it can.
It's unimaginatively combines worst mechanics that makes MC stupidly overpowered. But not with some purpose, just because it can - most powers and abilities will be immediately forgotten after getting them.
And to combine all those quite bearable minuses into utter garbage fire of a fic - it have it's own community inside worm community. And here I think that magical memetic effect is working that I've mentioned earlier: that community want you to read this fic, so they will lie, misinform, bend truth and logic, just to recommend this fic everywhere. For a long time I thought that magic of this fic is that people that can't read at all somehow is able to read it, but probably it's just some level of brainwashing involved: weak minds just can't handle something so bad and being subsumed into brainless contaminated mass of kta-fans.
It's justified, I think. My biggest complaint - not fic, but fans of the fic that are making it so much worse by false advertising and lies about fic content. Kind of person dislike towards readers, and only then - towards fic that attracts this kind of readers.
Shitting other worlds? You mean when she considers President Whitmore as the one of the best people she ever met, even naming her daughter after him. And that she saw that the people in the Independence Day world is so much better than her own. Or when she considers the heroes of the DC world to be the heroes that she wished her world would be. Hell, she even asked Poison Ivy to come with her to help rebuilding a post apocalyptic world. She always had respect towards heroes in other worlds, more so than her own. The only place that she didn't was the Marvel 616 world where it was during the Civil war and Normal Osborn being the leader of HAMMER storyline. So everyone was awful there. Like you dislike people lying but you are not being truthful either.
Ah, that one is easy. I haven't seen it brought up in quite a while so maybe the larger fanbase has forgotten about it but [Stepping On Worm](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11359049/1/Stepping-On-Worm) is probably the worst that we have. A creepy guy with no concept of how the Worm verse actually works making up shit and acting like a genius for just making up rules that let him win.
Very much a free answer given the author and the rant he goes on in the very first chapter about how 'shit' Worm is *despite admitting not to have read it*.
I've never understood why anyone would write something in a setting they don't like
Stepping On Worm is almost cheating given the author.
I think we need to make a PerfectLionheart tier and move on to other "winners".
I made the mistake of following that link. That first page is not just egregiously bad, it's aggressively bad. It worked hard to be so bad.
Ah yes, good old Perfect "Commas how, do they work?" Lionheart.
Oh god, Prefect Lionheart’s made a worm fic? I’ve recently read a MST of Partially Kissed Hero so seeing that this fic was also by them caused me to go oh my.
Partially Kissed Hero is an awful fic, but it's also mostly so bad it's good if you treat it as a crack fic. Except for the racist parts. But other than that it's actually a fairly fun read. Stepping on Worm isn't really fun at all though.
I read the first chapter and surprisingly, the SPAG isn't too bad. Some of the ideas even have the potential to be interesting. It seems that the author has his head up his own ass so far that he's unable to leverage any of his strengths to write anything worth reading, at least in this fic.
He used to be well regarded in the *Ranma 1/2* and *Naruto* fandoms for interesting ideas and his ability to make an overpowered self-insert and then still find ways to make life difficult for said character. He's gotten worse, unfortunately.
That genuinely sucks. I was hoping he would be one of those writers who had a bad start and then got better later. To hear that he did the opposite is really sad.
still waiting for Chunin Exam Day to one day get done
Can I get a tldr on the content?
The author self-inserts into Worm as a twelve-year-old with no metaknowledge, gives himself magic by asking Leet to build him a VR video game simulator and learning magic in-game, murders forty gang members in broad daylight and gets the public to approve of it because she's wearing Christmas-themed clothing (yes, there's a gender flip involved), and begins forming a harem. Hopefully that's enough information for you to decide whether it's worth reading.
Christ on a hat that’s insanity. I skimmed the first halter and saw some stuff about a Soviet Cold War with China which made very little sense(were they supposed to be eden and scion?) and was just annoyed by the sentence structure and how the perspective flipped like five times in a single paragraph
The problem with Stepping on Worm comes down to the fact it was written to prove how dumb Wildbows characters were and how others or rather the "big genius" that is PerfectLionheart could do so much better. The problem is that Lionhearts "brilliant" solution can be summed up as "I just asspulled an out of context power that let's me break all of Worms established rules, my god Taylor was so fucking stupid for not just pulling new powers out of her ass like me!" so you can guess why the fic is less than highly regarded. That's also not getting into the authors massive yet paper thin ego or the numerous issues that plague his stories due to Lionheart taking any and all criticism as personal attacks.
Oh. Lionheart. I recognize that name, though not the story. And its enough to convince me to stay far away. My introduction to fanfiction was when I was looking for information on the release date of the next Harry Potter book, something like 20 years ago. Went from that to Buffy the Vampire Slayer and expanded from there. Still probably my two biggest fandoms, though.
Ugh.
>(were they supposed to be eden and scion?) Yup. The author kind of brushes over the fact that a live Eden would result in a *very* different Wormverse, one that doesn't include the Protectorate or most of the other canon power structures, and does his own thing. Ironically, he complains endlessly about how grimdark Worm is in his author's notes...then creates an AU where the Protectorate is forced hire Nilbog (yes, he still ate a city), where they work closely with Heartbreaker (he still...yeah), and where both Entities are alive and actively screwing up the world. And as you pointed out, the story has a *big* problem with "show, don't tell" and weird sentence structure.
Did he not see a problem with a serial rapist and city eater working with legal authority and think that having them be normal would be less grimdark?
I honestly don’t know what he was thinking. The impression I got from a *lot* of what I read was that all he knows about canon is an extremely exaggerated version of every fanon stereotype you can name, from the whole grimdark thing to fanon Piggot to robo-Armsmaster.
>begins forming a harem Sorry, I know this is late but I'm curious. Who the hell would date a twelve year old in worm?
There’s some shapeshifting involved after the gender-flip (because reasons), so thankfully, PL at least gets aged up to 16-18 or so. IIRC it’s a harem of OCs, one of whom is a Sailor Jupiter expy and the rest of whom are….no fucking clue, I was skimming at that point and they all had the same personality copy-pasted onto each other. It’s probably somewhere in the later chapters.
Shitty author famous for writing twisted fics and responding to all criticism by tripling down decides to write SI-ish fic for a fandom he actively hates despite never actually reading the work; it goes about as well as you'd expect.
The Panacea Quest. I'd say it's so infamous it took me weeks to get a straight answer on why nobody wanted to mention it or say what the plot is about.
I've not heard of it. Why is it so bad?
Imagine what was revealed in Ward, now extend it to harem sizes.
I haven't read ward.
Amy gets dosed with a tinker drug that removes all inhibitions. It's on QQ, do the math.
No, you are thinking of Monster by Xicree. There was an actual quest called Panacea Quest by WyldCard4. It started on Spacebattles and I'm pretty sure it was the cause of one of the purges? In any case it moved to QQ when it was kicked from SB and was completed there.
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> my humor is so dark it picks cotton Fine, made me laugh. Happy?
Wait laughing at a racist joke got 34 likes? I am confused.
Reddit operates on less than logical basis. To be liked a reply has to be timely more than useful
Ok wait now I'm worried wtf happens in ward?
Nothing in particular. The actual action happened in Worm, but a lot of people missed that Amy raped Vicky during Worm. It's there in the text of Worm, it isn't a retcon - a lot of people just seemed to forget it happened or not notice it until Vicky became the main character of Ward and reacted negatively to being in the same room as her rapist. Ward-Panacea wasn't any better than her Worm counterpart. She did a lot of fucked-up stuff.
Wait amy did what? Holy shit
Worm spoiler, but just read Worm. It was during the nine arc, when Amy was trying to fix Vicky after she got melted. It happened somewhere between the part where she forced Vicky to fall in love with her and turning her into a flesh shard. The whole thing is very fucked, and Amy's own culpability is questionable given Jack Slash's whole deal, but it happens.
What's also fucked up is how sympathetic Amy is portrayed in the aftermath in Worm. Like - I've rarely read any works of fiction that were this *positive* about a rapist character.
It isn’t a retcon, but it is hellava vaguely worded in the original text that a lot of people interpreted it differently. That, and the general “hey, that **actually** ain’t so” contrary hinting that’s present in a lot of Wibbilywobbily’s WoG to the point there’s a WoG revolt meant that even today people are denying the full scope of that rape... or it even happened... ... or that, and this is my stance, the causes behind that rape justifies a “lighter” Amy in fanfiction. After all, if events proceeded differently, especially if Amy never got whammies by Jack Slash himself, it is possible she never had her “one bad day” and could have gotten a different future...
Her "one bad day" is absolutely what crosses the line for Amy, yeah. Up until she rewrites Victoria's brain the first time, Amy's innocent. Kind of a bitch with SHITLOAD of problems in desperate need of therapy and probably removal from her current living environment? Absolutely, but not yet crossed the line to become a bad person. Then Shaper sets off on Victoria after Amy's encounter with Bonesaw, and it all goes downhill from there as she runs away, repeatedly refuses to take any responsibility for her actions, and eventually culminates in the aforementioned rape. It totally was vaguely worded in the original text though, I'll give it that. Not helped by iirc there was at least one comment from Wildbow at the time along the lines of him specifically not having any trigger events or anything directly involve rape during Worm, because he wasn't entirely confident on if he could portray that sufficiently well. Obviously that changed by the time of Ward because he took it from "kind of implied but easily missed by many readers" to "explicitly happened, Amy raped Victoria do not pass Go do not collect $200."
Oh god... That monstrosity... Having read some of it out of doomed curiosity I suddenly understood the heavy handed nature of the SB Mobs when it comes to Worm fics.
We talking about that thing that starts with 'M'?
Unfortunately.
Even more unfortunate is that it shares a name with another fic that's actually worth reading.
There's another Panacea Quest? God bless our souls.
No, well yes but not what I'm talking about. There's a Skitter-Night power swap fic that has the same name. It's actually kinda cute.
Monster? Wait. I think we're talking about different things. The Panacea Quest has Amy >!brainwashing Victoria and other girls into becoming madly in love with her to the point Heartbreaker would be proud!<.
Oh. The one I was thinking of is way way way worse. >!Like full-on body horror, mind break, personality destruction, brainwashing.!<
I think we're talking about the same thing, but I haven't read it so I can't say for sure.
Is it on questionable questing? Would explain why I've never seen it.
Yes.
It's not quite as infamous as, say, Stepping on Worm, but the following is a direct excerpt from [this](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/betrayal-worm-fic.498004/#post-31984252) 'so bad its good' fic (the character is Miss Militia): > I felt the car swerve off the road and slam into something knocking me out of my chair. I quickly got up and checked Velocity’s pulse. His heart was still. Luckily Dauntless seemed to still be alive. Sadly it was pretty obvious he was gonna die. He was unconscious and slowly bleeding out. I put my gun to his head and I fired. “goodbye my friend. You will be missed” Anyway, I would say Worm fanfic's "that one fic" is Taylor Varga. Not because it is anywhere near as bad as My Immortal or, in Worm fanfic's case, Stepping on Worm; on the contrary, it isn't bad at all on a technical level and many actually like it's slice of life. However, it became infamous for being "that fic" where nothing ever happens for almost 2 million words, and nothing is still happening, yet for some reason people keep recommending it to others, which frustrates some people that felt like their time was wasted trying to get to the 'good parts' that were never coming.
God how could I forget this fic. Fucking infamously awful
Is that... a chapter summary? That has to be, right? Forget the bad syntax repetition and why you'd kill anyone so impulsively, that much emotional flip-flopping in a single paragraph is insane.
Nope. Direct quote.
Taylor Varga is infamous, but it's not...awful, like the examples given. It's just so slow that the turtle lapped it ten times.
I said this in the original comment, yes. Although not eye-bleeding terrible like the others, Taylor Varga is still the most "that one fic" in the fandom in terms of the "infamy vs how many people know about it / have an opinion on it" ratio. Moreover, to be fair, if someone held a gun to my head and made me choose between having to read the entirety of either Stepping on Worm or Taylor Varga, I'd probably choose Stepping on Worm because at least then it would be over faster. About 10 times faster, in fact. Stepping on Worm is almost 100k words long.
I was about 130 chapters in on Taylor Varga when I lost my apartment due to a fire in April. Haven't gotten around to getting back to it, though I'd already started taking breaks from it, reading other fics before coming back to it.
When your fanfic so 🔥 it burns down your home.
i hate taylor varga because when i started reading it, i was really hoping for a leviathan vs taylor shiwdown. and then that “the endbringers are afraid if her” bullshit happened.
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Plenty happens in Taylor Varga, it's a slice of life comedy, which the worm fanbase is apparently incapable of comprehending. I think it is one of the greatest fanfics I have read in my 20 years of reading fanfics.
TV spends alot of words hyping every single action its going to do. It can spend 100,000 words just describing how awesome the thing on Thursday is going to be while still stuck on Monday. The slice of life is not the problem its how it repeats everything it said on Monday on Tuesday with a different character so it can trick you into believing theirs new content involved. Thats the problem people have with it.
I still disagree it's simply people focusing on the wrong aspect of the fanfiction the main point of the whole story is the Slice of Life. Any references to Future action scenes or fights is simply a side aspect and it really shouldn't hype them up especially after reading this much of Taylor Varga. The fact they still focus on those little tidbits shows that they really just do not understand the point of the of the story which is the nice wholesome Slice of Life. The happy world of the Taylor Varga provides a refuge from the more often grimdark world of worm in a way that's still entertains provided you chill out a bit. People who complain that the plot is not moving along are simply like people who go to a rom-com movie expecting a Slaughter fest horror film. They have simply grossly misunderstood what the hell is going on. This a flaw on their part not the stories. Additionally, I for one find the multiple points of view of each action amusing. But in the end that's just my opinion and I'm not looking to force it on anyone.
Stop talking about the Action Scenes thats not what I was going with when I said its hyping things up. For example when they were planning to clear the Boat Graveyard it spent 100,000 words saying did you hear their somehow going to clean it in one day. Let's spread the word to everyone about it. Then character 2 would say did you hear their somehow going to clean it in one day. While character 3 would go did you hear something is happening at the Boat Graveyard. So when someone says the [Action](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/action) is not happening they're not talking about a Slaughter fest horror film. They're talking about why has the [Action](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/action)"Clean The Boat Graveyard" hasn't happened yet. The audience knows what to expect the in-universe characters know its going to happen. So why are you wasting time instead of getting to the [Action](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/action) "Clean The Boat Graveyard"
I understand what you mean but still disagree.
"Slice of Life" is still supposed to have plot, conflict, and progression, just of a *social* kind as opposed to combat (in the case of action genres) or discovery (in the case of mystery genres) kinds. As the other commenter said, TV has almost no progression to speak of, instead padding wordcount with the same non-event over and over with little actually changing at all. A massive portion of the fic is the equivalent of a power-testing scene, and those are rarely good even when only one chapter is spent upon them. Add that to the fact that most of the things that actually 'happen' are really just the same recycled joke ("haha eldritch lizards scare and confuse silly Worm people, snicker") with little variation, and you get a very drawn-out, boring overall experience. Again, the 'slice of life' isn't the problem, there are plenty of good slice of life fics, but those actually have a little something called 'pacing'. > I think it is one of the greatest fanfics I have read in my 20 years of reading fanfics. lol The only "best of" Taylor Varga deserves recognition for is its sheer size, which I will admit is impressive in a "what the fuck are you doing" kind of way. Otherwise, it is at best mediocre, and many if not most would disagree with even that rating.
On ao3 there's 2 fics which deserve to be infamous One is called "sexual assault panda" The other is called "Dragon!Taylor: The most fucked up story you'll ever read, probably." They're... something else
>sexual assault panda When you think you've seen everything...
It's just so weird. It's basically this OC ward gets this power that originally only activates when he's asleep. The power is a projection of this like weird ass creature that literally just goes around and rapes/assaults female capes. And the frickin condition to make the projection disappear was something stupid like the girl has to have an orgasm or something. Oh and after the women got assaulted, they also got mastered to NEED to tell some authority like the police or a hero. It's so fucking just...Idek
Porn *has* to not count.
Ah yes SAP, nearly 400k worlds of hot panda action, reminds me of ye olde days with such classics as Shinji's Nightmare Cataclysm (FYI Do NOT go looking for that fic if you are easily offended in any way) from a now dead site that wallowed in the dregs of the early 2000's far less restrained internet.
Why is Dragon!Taylor bad? I don’t want to look it up lol
Tags include: Vore, Tail sex, *Brain* Penetration, Disembowelment, *Urethral Fisting*, ***AMPUTATION KINK***
Ok wtf lol
Yeah. It's something
Sexual Assault Panda was fucking hilarious lmao
I remember trying to read a random chapter and Panda was joking about being a caveman going unga-boonga and drag women to cave... seemingly completely unaware that is basically what he did when he mastered his "harem". He even says it in front of one, which makes it even funnier.
Someone channeling John Ringo?
Just checked out who John Ringo is and wow, what a mess. But yeah something like that.
It's not a terrible fic (or at least not in the same way that My Immortal is terrible), but Amelia is still definitely one of the most infamous fics in the fandom.
I liked Amelia. Well, I started skipping on chapters like on the last third, but it was alright.
I think Amelia was at the time of its initial release an okay fic that has aged poorly with time as the fandom has evolved and many of its ideas have become borderline taboo. Or just cringy.
It's pretty much "what if someone told Shards to do a soulmates AU" with all the problems that implies.
There were a lot of good points fanfics could learn from (power interactions being one of it's major sell points to me) but it does suffers from being old, and therefore working under assumptions that no longer work, and probably from stretching it's content to the point of becoming stagnant at times.
Wait what was wrong with Amelia? Haven’t read it in a while so I may have forgotten some details.
Basically just that it’s unclear whether the fridge horror is intentional, or if the author just semi-acknowledges it so they can write some incredibly dysfunctional relationships and portray them positively as long as they say it’s bad on paper. It’s kinda to ship fics what A Wand for Skitter or Kill them All are to more action driven fics.
Oh, yeah it was supposed to be fridge horror: the entire Lisa subplot was basically the author lampshading that, and saying “If you don’t want to read this as a creeping psychological horror story, leave now,” >!like Lisa does!<.
There’s an argument to be made that the story tells the reader that it’s bad rather than showing. Especially given that Lisa immediately goes and gets into one of those mind altering bond things herself after leaving, anyways.
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Oh that, I realized that right out of the gate. Kinda thought that was an intentional part of the story.
On paper, it is. But the story spends a lot of time telling you it’s bad, but never really showing any significant consequences for it.
All things being equal, a lot of people struggle with the difference between showing and telling in reading or writing. This fandom can sometimes be particularly bad about that because Worm relies heavily on an untrustworthy narrator and opportunistic side-characters. That may be true but unintentional and something that people infrequently notice
Well, I did feel it got to the show part when >!the original Taylor dies!< but later on it feels like it kind of forgets about it and it's just sort of mentioned that Pantheon's methods are beyond insane.
[Missionsword's Caught in your Web](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/missionswords-caught-in-your-web-amy-taylor-powerswap.713356/) but that's an intentional parody. Also, there are certain Ack fics, now deleted, featuring Danny/Taylor incest.
Dare i ask who Ack is based on that comment?
Ack is a notorious Worm fanfic author. He's on all the major sites. He removed a lot of his NSFW stuff but it had some, uh, unconventional fetishes present, to say the least. A lot of people say even his SFW stuff is tainted by association - which I find sad. 'Security' was one of my favorite fics. I'm all for fanfics being allowed to be about whatever weird shit people want, and I'll defend anyones right to post the most horrible stories imaginable. It's text. As long as it's not advocating any real world actions, it should have no real world consequences.
>A lot of people say even his SFW stuff is tainted by association - which I find sad. It's been a while, so I might be misremembering, but the general feel I have of Ack fics is that they're a combination of creepy and sit-com. Creepy because you can sort of tell where, even if he doesn't spell it out, his mind is for sure going on a fetishy tangent. And I just don't really need to have a rapey aftertaste on my reading.
I understand that this isn't helpful critique but it boils down to "I feel like Ack's fetishes permeate all his fics".
Yeah, Ack fics are pretty technically competent and can be a fun read, but knowing about his interests really kind of sours them for me. There was one where Taylor talks about being bullied with her dad and he tells her he can hold her whenever she needs it, and she does that night in his bed. From any other author, I'd think it was an OK attempt at some emotional support and comfort. From Ack, Danny 'holding' Taylor in bed to comfort her just convinces me there was a deleted scene in there before he posted it, and it really squicks me out. Things like that just permeate his writing a bit too much.
"Technically competent" is IMO a very generous conclusion unless you're using "technically competent" to only mean "he can use a spell check". But if you're including things like characterisation, voice, or other such technical matters of the writing craft, no; he's not technically competent. His characters end up mostly sounding the same, their persoanalities are boilerplate, and his prose is plodding.
Well, yeah, he can string a sentence together in a way that doesn't hurt to read and some of his stories, like that one where Taylor gets luck powers, are reasonably entertaining. His stories aren't that compelling - even the luck one I read a few chapters, laughed a little, and then had no interest in continuing - but they at least aren't painful to get through in terms of grammar, spelling, etc.
Oh jeez. I didn't know Ack was like that, I just thought he was a mediocre writer with a few really well known fics so the sub hated him for being overhyped or something
He’s the guy who has like 60 WIPs. He’s also known as the guy who writes NSFW fics and then strips off the NSFW bits except for as joke lampshade stuff to put the fic on SB plus there are people who take issue with his other writing style choices. I’m not sure it’s 100% deserved (although admittedly I haven’t read his NSFW fics so I couldn’t tell you and I’m admittedly biased because I like some of his fix fics), but he’s been around both in the Worm Community and on this subreddit long enough that almost everyone who’s read worm fics has read one of his and has… strong opinions on him. If you want to start with what’s thought of as one of his better fics, try out [Hope Comes to Brockton Bay](https://m.fanfiction.net/s/9733439/1/Hope-Comes-to-Brockton-Bay).
Hasn't he stopped writing NSFW years ago, as well as deleting all his old work?
At some point he did stop and wipe it out, I believe. I think he did a purge of that before he went to get published for original fiction, but I’m not 100% sure on the timing.
For me it's Kill them all. It's not too bad to be worth mentioning, but imo it have quite memetic qualities that make it worst. It have bad writing, but not too bad, just bad enough to give you tiny hope that it could be readable. It have awful characters: absolutely brainless MC and absolutely cardboard and stupid everyone else. It's leeching on other fandoms in a worst ways possible: making short and mostly useless voyages to other worlds just to steal from them and humiliate them, without any particular need or reason, just because it can. It's unimaginatively combines worst mechanics that makes MC stupidly overpowered. But not with some purpose, just because it can - most powers and abilities will be immediately forgotten after getting them. And to combine all those quite bearable minuses into utter garbage fire of a fic - it have it's own community inside worm community. And here I think that magical memetic effect is working that I've mentioned earlier: that community want you to read this fic, so they will lie, misinform, bend truth and logic, just to recommend this fic everywhere. For a long time I thought that magic of this fic is that people that can't read at all somehow is able to read it, but probably it's just some level of brainwashing involved: weak minds just can't handle something so bad and being subsumed into brainless contaminated mass of kta-fans.
Why don't you tell us how you really feel?
Not sure why people are downvoting. It's his/her opinion. I personally liked reading Kta but I still think it's kinda dumb.
It's justified, I think. My biggest complaint - not fic, but fans of the fic that are making it so much worse by false advertising and lies about fic content. Kind of person dislike towards readers, and only then - towards fic that attracts this kind of readers.
Shitting other worlds? You mean when she considers President Whitmore as the one of the best people she ever met, even naming her daughter after him. And that she saw that the people in the Independence Day world is so much better than her own. Or when she considers the heroes of the DC world to be the heroes that she wished her world would be. Hell, she even asked Poison Ivy to come with her to help rebuilding a post apocalyptic world. She always had respect towards heroes in other worlds, more so than her own. The only place that she didn't was the Marvel 616 world where it was during the Civil war and Normal Osborn being the leader of HAMMER storyline. So everyone was awful there. Like you dislike people lying but you are not being truthful either.