The quality wasnt even bad, if anything it was a step up from everything that came before it. But thats the problem, aqua teen worked b/c of its janky animation and crude humor. This latest season just felt too polished and predictable. Not terrible and I’d rather get this than nothing but it seems odd that [as] would go from the aqua donks shorts (that felt like a legit return to form), to this latest season.
The improved animation took a bit to get used to, but I have no idea why they were so stingy with the episode order. The press release about the renewal mentioned how the show did fantastic in reruns relative to its age, that Plantasm exceeded expectations, and that the show was cheap to make which is why it was renewed again.
animation got dramaticly improved which the thoughts of that are very split in the ATHF community (i did not like it at all) and it was only 5 episodes plus idk they werent really that good compared to season 11 which was one of the best seasons of the show
Unfortunately I don’t think you could even make a show like Home Movies in 2024. People unfamiliar with the show would say what the hell is this? The way shows are made seems so different now with how hyper polished everything looks.
It was great because it would come on while I was supposed to be asleep as a kid. I don’t think anyone has cable anymore and kids now use YouTube and shit
Only ordered 5 damn episodes and tossed it aside again. Like they expected a 5 episode season to bring back in the viewers needed. 5 wasn't enough to get the writers in real traction. Just a waste
It reminds me of how 12 Oz. Mouse was brought back a few years ago only to quickly get cancelled again. It comes off like they're flip-flopping and aren't really sure what they want.
ATHF should only come back so Carey Means can get paid. It's a crime that the people who built the [adult swim] empire live so poorly. Carey Means is broke and in poor health, George Lowe is broke and in poor health, Clay Croker died broke, Andy Merrill is broke... Zaslav might be the antichrist, but if I ever meet Mike Lazzo, I'm spitting in his face.
mike lazzo is gone , and it’s most of the reason that nobody is getting paid , don’t get me wrong , he’s not a great dude and never advocated for anyone but him leaving means there’s nobody at all to respect “weird” adult swim have said themselves since lazzo left “weird is out” they’ve abandoned success after success , who knows what they( the shareholders ) want at this point , they may just be scrapping for parts at this point
Yeah, AS takes up the majority of CartoonNetwork currently. Checkered Past starts at like 5PM. AS doesn't sell much merchandise/toys, which unfortunately is often the main factor in a Cartoon's success. I swear 90% of CN's revenue is from Teen Titan's GO and Rick & Morty. Ironically I've met multiple parents around my age who REFUSE to let their kids watch Teen Titans GO. With how popular anime had become, I wouldn't be surprised if they even tried running a Toonami block every night instead of just Saturdays. What they really need to do is realize that their Adult fanbase is quite loyal and they should be marketing towards us a bit more.
Network Television as a whole is going downhill though, due to streaming services. I honestly don't know what could save AS/CN at this point.
I’m surprised they are still around at this point. Wtf even is teen titans go? Shit started when I was 17 and has been cancer since, taking up the majority of the network run time.
The jokes and laughs are cheap and easy for kids, even the jokes that the kids don't understand. Its mostly just flashes of bright colors, dancing, music, and cheap laughs. They have it down to a science. They basically created a formula for the most basic cheapest entertainment they could come up with. I've tried to enjoy it before, but it just feels so manufactured. Like they're holding up queue cards for when the audience should laugh. "Butts, twerking? that's funny right kids?!?!" "Boogers!" "Oh no Beast Boy just farted on Robin again!" I know its aimed at kids, but it feels like its created with the idea that the viewer is unintelligent. Idk, to me the show is very insulting to the viewer, and not in a funny way. Something, the kids watching it probably don't notice, but as an adult, its just so painfully obvious how little the creators care about the show and how much of a soulless corporate product it is. In fact I think that's the show's problem. It doesn't feel like a show at all, it feels like a product or like an advertisement. "Kids love farts, bright colors, dancing, ect.. How do we make an original show about that?" "Idk just slap-in some characters we own the rights to and call it done" Same thing they did with some of their other reboots.
I know the Metalocalypse fans were mad he cancelled the show for being too focused on story. People get nostalgia but about five years ago this sub was posting “Fuck Lazzo” for some of his decisions.
Yeah Reddit loves to blame the boss for everything wrong and give them no credit for anything right. This isn't a Zaslav situation where a suit ruined a network for profit. Lazzo made Adult Swim from nothing. The Metalocalypse fans mad he only gave it four seasons need to realize the show would never exist anywhere but his network
Lazzo did make Adult Swim but it doesn’t make him perfect. Reports came out from employees he didn’t like hiring women because they were unfunny. He actually came here and doubled down on it defending his comments. Then you have the whole David Cross/H Jon theft issue. There are other things but the point is I appreciate what he did, it was the golden era, but I don’t think he’s the same person.
There are many bad-faith misreadings of a single comment he made in his like forty year career that have been widely reported on yes. And the David Cross thing is an insane claim, Cross owns the idea of faux infomercials because of one failed pilot?
I bet he probably is the same person, and what made Adult Swim great is that it was as unique and quirky (and occasionally frustrating) as a real person is. It was a network with a singular vision (Lazzo's) and that's what made it exciting compared to every other board-room controlled network.
This is more of a reflection that voice actors don't get paid much. And basically everyone knows that going into it.
Just because a show like athf is popular, idk that the voice actors are entitled to higher than agreed on salary.
Good show, but never matched the internet series of that name in quality IMO. The TV show was funny, the series of web animations was funny and genuinely touching. Neely can be completely surreal and random, but he also was really good at portraying genuine emotion and IMO that didn't show up enough in the TV show.
Like almost every Babycakes video (including the original China, IL) has both some poetry and warmth to it. Like Diary #2 always sticks out to me https://youtu.be/cm_iv_lUh6Y?si=unrM1O4QXTfxBAR5
And here's the start of the China, IL web series https://youtu.be/TzYnlHZeSjw?si=7hbGJj1L9v_FsffX
The comic styled non motion worked way more in his favor. I enjoyed China, IL. yet I feel the exact same as you even when it first aired.
I am Babycakes, I am Babycakes, I am the world
The commentary for the venture bros movie made me sad, they had the final season completely written, the commentary of them discussing all the cool stuff they had to cut to make the final season into a movie just leaves you feeling empty.
It’s almost like they knew nobody but the die hard fans would watch since it was on-demand with streaming and just totally phoned it in, since it wouldn’t be on primetime
I don't keep up with things enough to know the answer to this - isn't AS in general almost dead at this point?
Assuming the movie and short season is the new end...I think I'm fine with it. Plantasm was so much better than the first movie, and I've got no complaints with S12.
Smiling Friends is better than ever, but yeah it gets pretty thin after that, especially now that Rick and Morty and Eric Andre are getting long in the tooth.
Rick and Morty contractually ends with S10, I'm sure it'll keep going. And now we are getting that anime spinoff this year instead of new episodes...so MORE Rick and Morty. I love smiling friends though
Rick and Morty contractually ends with S10, I'm sure it'll keep going. And now we are getting that anime spinoff this year instead of new episodes...so MORE Rick and Morty. I love smiling friends though
I started watching this back in the early 2000's of I'm being honest I didn't even know they had started up again after the first cancellation.. I've not had cable for so long ...
I kind of have to agree w this...their glory days are long behind them, and i think their original 2000-2015 run was a good run. 15 years is a long time and they had alot of seasons. The new movie and new season werent horrible...but they felt phoned in and very tame. I found myself kind of bored when watching it. The new animation style to me is too polished and too produced, in the later seasons of the original run i felt they mixed the old style with better animation/fluidity better without completely thrashing the visual feel of the show...idk...maybe it should stay gone, we always have all those seasons
There's like 30 seasons of the Simpsons and that shit was terrible after 8.
I want children to comprehend the blind screaming terror of nonsense that reality accosts us with every moment of consciousness.
*I want aqua teen.*
I mean the show can keep reinventing itself in a way that a traditional animated show can't, given that there's no continuity and no constraints on things like format, character deaths, basic physics and logic, etc. I'd honestly argue that if any TV show is built to be on the air indefinitely, its ATHF.
I see your point. But I've also watched futurama which can also be that. And it too has many revivals for people who love it. I love both series but when I watched the entire series on netflix back in the day I got my fill before the comedy central's 4th episode. I need to try that with Aqua teen maybe I'll feel different about it. I'll be back i'm gonna marathon the series
The latest season wasn't bad. But there was only 5 episodes and I needed more in my life.
I wish there was only 4 because the 3rd episode was.... Just so bad. So so bad. Dunno if it was that bad by design or what but it just sucked
ATHF is one my favorite AS shows of all time, top 2 at least.
But it's a 20+ year old show, it's older than 9/11 by 3 days. It's had its time, many times. And it will probably still come back in some form. Writing off the entire network that way is foolish.
Nah, MTV stopped producing content in any real way. Adult Swim produces new content. There are just hits and misses is all. I also think, if you are someone who grew up with ATHF (me, too), we’re getting old and aging out of the key demos. They can’t keep producing content exclusively for an increasingly middle aged audience. I’m not in total disagreement about decline, but a lot of media is in decline as studios just nakedly chase profits at the expense of art, instead of alongside it. I don’t think any of Adult Swim’s issues are particular to Adult Swim and certainly don’t compare to MTV, which shows re-runs of one show for almost literally the entire viewing day.
I'm talking more about the fact that all of the cartoon network is run by idiots in suits that don't even care if a show is good. Also, I'm in my 20s, not my 50s, I'm still very much in Adult Swim's demographic.
Ah yeah that problem is definitely not an Adult Swim/HBO problem. That’s pretty much all studios now. It was a lot of places before but it’s almost everywhere now.
The newest season wasn't nearly enough to scratch the itch.
I agree. I almost cried when someone (shake?) threw a pizza and it didn't even explode :(
The shows been going so long the aqua teen physics are starting to break
How bad was it? Haven’t watched it yet
It wasn't the quality drop that bothered me. It was just a really short season,Only five episodes.
The quality wasnt even bad, if anything it was a step up from everything that came before it. But thats the problem, aqua teen worked b/c of its janky animation and crude humor. This latest season just felt too polished and predictable. Not terrible and I’d rather get this than nothing but it seems odd that [as] would go from the aqua donks shorts (that felt like a legit return to form), to this latest season.
The improved animation took a bit to get used to, but I have no idea why they were so stingy with the episode order. The press release about the renewal mentioned how the show did fantastic in reruns relative to its age, that Plantasm exceeded expectations, and that the show was cheap to make which is why it was renewed again.
I heard it was made with the left over budget from the movie. Which may explain why it was so short.
It was good, it was just... too sane?
I felt like that made it pretty ungood tbh.
animation got dramaticly improved which the thoughts of that are very split in the ATHF community (i did not like it at all) and it was only 5 episodes plus idk they werent really that good compared to season 11 which was one of the best seasons of the show
Damn I had no idea they released new episodes!
How many cancellations has it been for ATHF? Third? Fourth?
I'd love more Home Movies to be honest
Best I can do is like 30 more seasons of Bob’s Burgers and tickets to Dethklok at the Warped Tour.
Yo I'll take those tickets
Doodly ding dong tick tock.
Acceptable compromise
Unfortunately I don’t think you could even make a show like Home Movies in 2024. People unfamiliar with the show would say what the hell is this? The way shows are made seems so different now with how hyper polished everything looks.
It was great because it would come on while I was supposed to be asleep as a kid. I don’t think anyone has cable anymore and kids now use YouTube and shit
so true lol I picked it up again as an adult and idk man it don't hit the same no more
I like mindless curated funny/weird/Indy content. Now I don’t just miss my MTV, I miss my AS too :(
fuck yeah
more Venture Bros please
We demand more Scare Bear!
Only ordered 5 damn episodes and tossed it aside again. Like they expected a 5 episode season to bring back in the viewers needed. 5 wasn't enough to get the writers in real traction. Just a waste
It reminds me of how 12 Oz. Mouse was brought back a few years ago only to quickly get cancelled again. It comes off like they're flip-flopping and aren't really sure what they want.
How was it? I was a big fan of the initial run
I want more of Joe Pera talks with you
ATHF should only come back so Carey Means can get paid. It's a crime that the people who built the [adult swim] empire live so poorly. Carey Means is broke and in poor health, George Lowe is broke and in poor health, Clay Croker died broke, Andy Merrill is broke... Zaslav might be the antichrist, but if I ever meet Mike Lazzo, I'm spitting in his face.
mike lazzo is gone , and it’s most of the reason that nobody is getting paid , don’t get me wrong , he’s not a great dude and never advocated for anyone but him leaving means there’s nobody at all to respect “weird” adult swim have said themselves since lazzo left “weird is out” they’ve abandoned success after success , who knows what they( the shareholders ) want at this point , they may just be scrapping for parts at this point
Is that why The Shivering Truth was dropped? Weirdest show I've seen in my life. Season one was a masterpiece.
no it's just a narrative people like to parrot. it had two seasons BTW.
Ah, I see. And Ik, I just didn't really like season 2 for some reason.
Yeah, AS takes up the majority of CartoonNetwork currently. Checkered Past starts at like 5PM. AS doesn't sell much merchandise/toys, which unfortunately is often the main factor in a Cartoon's success. I swear 90% of CN's revenue is from Teen Titan's GO and Rick & Morty. Ironically I've met multiple parents around my age who REFUSE to let their kids watch Teen Titans GO. With how popular anime had become, I wouldn't be surprised if they even tried running a Toonami block every night instead of just Saturdays. What they really need to do is realize that their Adult fanbase is quite loyal and they should be marketing towards us a bit more. Network Television as a whole is going downhill though, due to streaming services. I honestly don't know what could save AS/CN at this point.
I’m surprised they are still around at this point. Wtf even is teen titans go? Shit started when I was 17 and has been cancer since, taking up the majority of the network run time.
The jokes and laughs are cheap and easy for kids, even the jokes that the kids don't understand. Its mostly just flashes of bright colors, dancing, music, and cheap laughs. They have it down to a science. They basically created a formula for the most basic cheapest entertainment they could come up with. I've tried to enjoy it before, but it just feels so manufactured. Like they're holding up queue cards for when the audience should laugh. "Butts, twerking? that's funny right kids?!?!" "Boogers!" "Oh no Beast Boy just farted on Robin again!" I know its aimed at kids, but it feels like its created with the idea that the viewer is unintelligent. Idk, to me the show is very insulting to the viewer, and not in a funny way. Something, the kids watching it probably don't notice, but as an adult, its just so painfully obvious how little the creators care about the show and how much of a soulless corporate product it is. In fact I think that's the show's problem. It doesn't feel like a show at all, it feels like a product or like an advertisement. "Kids love farts, bright colors, dancing, ect.. How do we make an original show about that?" "Idk just slap-in some characters we own the rights to and call it done" Same thing they did with some of their other reboots.
You summed it up nicely. More shows when we were younger at least had a few moral teaching moments. Now it’s just a product to get attention.
brain dead shows for brain dead kids tbh nothing like the original teen titans which is a great show even today watching it as an adult
Mike Lazzo is Adult Swim. Have any of these people named Mike Lazzo as the reason they're not getting paid?
I know the Metalocalypse fans were mad he cancelled the show for being too focused on story. People get nostalgia but about five years ago this sub was posting “Fuck Lazzo” for some of his decisions.
Yeah Reddit loves to blame the boss for everything wrong and give them no credit for anything right. This isn't a Zaslav situation where a suit ruined a network for profit. Lazzo made Adult Swim from nothing. The Metalocalypse fans mad he only gave it four seasons need to realize the show would never exist anywhere but his network
Lazzo did make Adult Swim but it doesn’t make him perfect. Reports came out from employees he didn’t like hiring women because they were unfunny. He actually came here and doubled down on it defending his comments. Then you have the whole David Cross/H Jon theft issue. There are other things but the point is I appreciate what he did, it was the golden era, but I don’t think he’s the same person.
There are many bad-faith misreadings of a single comment he made in his like forty year career that have been widely reported on yes. And the David Cross thing is an insane claim, Cross owns the idea of faux infomercials because of one failed pilot? I bet he probably is the same person, and what made Adult Swim great is that it was as unique and quirky (and occasionally frustrating) as a real person is. It was a network with a singular vision (Lazzo's) and that's what made it exciting compared to every other board-room controlled network.
This is more of a reflection that voice actors don't get paid much. And basically everyone knows that going into it. Just because a show like athf is popular, idk that the voice actors are entitled to higher than agreed on salary.
Probably an unpopular opinion. But I'd love some new China IL.
I’d love more of anything Brad Neely, tbh.
He has a new paramount+ show!
Wait really? What's it called? I'm gotta check this out.
I was somewhat mistaken. It’s called The Harper House and it aired in 2021 apparently. So newer but not new haha.
Good show, but never matched the internet series of that name in quality IMO. The TV show was funny, the series of web animations was funny and genuinely touching. Neely can be completely surreal and random, but he also was really good at portraying genuine emotion and IMO that didn't show up enough in the TV show. Like almost every Babycakes video (including the original China, IL) has both some poetry and warmth to it. Like Diary #2 always sticks out to me https://youtu.be/cm_iv_lUh6Y?si=unrM1O4QXTfxBAR5 And here's the start of the China, IL web series https://youtu.be/TzYnlHZeSjw?si=7hbGJj1L9v_FsffX
The comic styled non motion worked way more in his favor. I enjoyed China, IL. yet I feel the exact same as you even when it first aired. I am Babycakes, I am Babycakes, I am the world
Babycakes is iconic
Excellent show.
The Venture Bothers movie was a decent send off, but I want more VB dammit.
The commentary for the venture bros movie made me sad, they had the final season completely written, the commentary of them discussing all the cool stuff they had to cut to make the final season into a movie just leaves you feeling empty.
It’s almost like they knew nobody but the die hard fans would watch since it was on-demand with streaming and just totally phoned it in, since it wouldn’t be on primetime
I don't keep up with things enough to know the answer to this - isn't AS in general almost dead at this point? Assuming the movie and short season is the new end...I think I'm fine with it. Plantasm was so much better than the first movie, and I've got no complaints with S12.
Smiling Friends is better than ever, but yeah it gets pretty thin after that, especially now that Rick and Morty and Eric Andre are getting long in the tooth.
Rick and Morty contractually ends with S10, I'm sure it'll keep going. And now we are getting that anime spinoff this year instead of new episodes...so MORE Rick and Morty. I love smiling friends though
Rick and Morty contractually ends with S10, I'm sure it'll keep going. And now we are getting that anime spinoff this year instead of new episodes...so MORE Rick and Morty. I love smiling friends though
Xavier: Renegade Angel
Have you seen the Shivering Truth?
I started watching this back in the early 2000's of I'm being honest I didn't even know they had started up again after the first cancellation.. I've not had cable for so long ...
I’d like to see some more Harvey Birdman I think Mission Hill deserves another season too
Aqua teen was cancelled? I assumed the show was made whenever inspiration struck Dave Willis.
So is this cancelation official or is it just being assumed?
Make the homies say NO and the girlies want to grieve
Plantasm and the new season were just kinda.....boring. Aqua Teen shouldn't be boring.
After that newest season, I’d say it should probably stay canceled tbh. Was very disappointed with both it and Plantasm. :(
Yeah well Dracula called and he’s coming over tonight for you and I said okay
Definitely read this in master shakes voice
I kind of have to agree w this...their glory days are long behind them, and i think their original 2000-2015 run was a good run. 15 years is a long time and they had alot of seasons. The new movie and new season werent horrible...but they felt phoned in and very tame. I found myself kind of bored when watching it. The new animation style to me is too polished and too produced, in the later seasons of the original run i felt they mixed the old style with better animation/fluidity better without completely thrashing the visual feel of the show...idk...maybe it should stay gone, we always have all those seasons
plantasm was bad but the season was OK imo. felt like everyone was rusty.
I loved Plantasm, tbh.
I actually like phantasm, but yeah, the season was rough
We need more Robot Chicken. That's for clucking sure!
I didn’t realize it came back. I thought they just did the movie
BEHOLD...THE THERMOSTAT!!!! if only I could enjoy it as much as I did when I was yonnger.
At least it beat Robot Chicken as the longest running show. But wish it would've continued
Aqua Teen won't ever be cancelled
but theres so many seasons of the show. Even on rewatch. People really want like 20+ seasons of aqua teen
Aqua Teen Hunger Force Forever!
There's like 30 seasons of the Simpsons and that shit was terrible after 8. I want children to comprehend the blind screaming terror of nonsense that reality accosts us with every moment of consciousness. *I want aqua teen.*
I mean the show can keep reinventing itself in a way that a traditional animated show can't, given that there's no continuity and no constraints on things like format, character deaths, basic physics and logic, etc. I'd honestly argue that if any TV show is built to be on the air indefinitely, its ATHF.
I see your point. But I've also watched futurama which can also be that. And it too has many revivals for people who love it. I love both series but when I watched the entire series on netflix back in the day I got my fill before the comedy central's 4th episode. I need to try that with Aqua teen maybe I'll feel different about it. I'll be back i'm gonna marathon the series
That's cause the new season was very meh.
They should bring Regular show back!!!!
they should bring close enough back
But Regular Show wasn’t an adult show sadly.
Also it ended beautifully and left before it overstayed its welcome.
This sucks hard, but I am just curious if it was cancelled after the last season or if the last season was just meant to be a one off type of deal.
Is this like Futurama again?!
Were the new eps good? Asking for a friend
I hear it was meh
BEHOLD...THE THERMOSTAT!!!! if only I could enjoy it as much as I did when I was younger.
BEHOLD...THE THERMOSTAT!!!! if only I could enjoy it as much as I did when I was younger.
Harvey Birdman
My name is!
Awww, new episodes were great, I just wanted more!
The latest season wasn't bad. But there was only 5 episodes and I needed more in my life. I wish there was only 4 because the 3rd episode was.... Just so bad. So so bad. Dunno if it was that bad by design or what but it just sucked
I still gotta watch this shit
I’d say either Aqua teen squid Billie’s or boondocks literally all AS has now is Rick and Morty
Smiling Friends
I watched like 2 episodes of smiling friends it ain’t for me ngl ik it’s popular but I can’t sit thru that dribble fr
MORE! FINAL! SPACE! You cowards 
Bruh do I need to bring up the story of brakkx va
The boondocks would make a bigger splash
That's sad. Besides being 5 episodes, the latest season was the best one they've had in a while
Nothing can save the network at this point, we just need to let it die.
ATHF is one my favorite AS shows of all time, top 2 at least. But it's a 20+ year old show, it's older than 9/11 by 3 days. It's had its time, many times. And it will probably still come back in some form. Writing off the entire network that way is foolish.
And I blame David Zaslav with his dirty looking ass 🥲
I agree, it’s becoming like MTV now. And like MTV It’ll never be what it was. I’m glad to have seen both in their prime.
Nah, MTV stopped producing content in any real way. Adult Swim produces new content. There are just hits and misses is all. I also think, if you are someone who grew up with ATHF (me, too), we’re getting old and aging out of the key demos. They can’t keep producing content exclusively for an increasingly middle aged audience. I’m not in total disagreement about decline, but a lot of media is in decline as studios just nakedly chase profits at the expense of art, instead of alongside it. I don’t think any of Adult Swim’s issues are particular to Adult Swim and certainly don’t compare to MTV, which shows re-runs of one show for almost literally the entire viewing day.
I'm talking more about the fact that all of the cartoon network is run by idiots in suits that don't even care if a show is good. Also, I'm in my 20s, not my 50s, I'm still very much in Adult Swim's demographic.
Ah yeah that problem is definitely not an Adult Swim/HBO problem. That’s pretty much all studios now. It was a lot of places before but it’s almost everywhere now.