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So are you now gay because you now like boys, or because you still like girls (the more traditional route for celeste)?
Edit: I'm dumb and skimmed the title, it's a person called Celeste not the game Celeste, lol
God what a mood. I once read and analyzed a whole person essay on being genderqueer and was like “I respect it, but I don’t really get it.” Three years later realized I was nonbinary and just had my head in hands in disappointment at myself lmao
I'm genderqueer too and had the exact same experience!
At the same time that I was educating myself about lgbtq+ people and experiences, I was also going on this personal journey trying to grapple with my feelings about my gender. But at *no* point did I connect the two topics in my head until much much later
I just always remind myself that everything is clearer in retrospect, and you can't blame your past self for what you didn't know🤷♀️
Oh, by realizing I was trans? Lol, yeah, that is always a wild part of the trans experience I feel like a lot of people don't talk about as often. But even before, the attraction I thought was straught always *felt* like it was gay. It's hard to explain how. I've heard similar experiences from other gay trans people too
But tbh, the above post was moreso about me realizing I was bi, haha. Now I'm gay both ways
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No, it's not out of line at all :)
So, imagine growing up attracted to the same sex. The first indication is that when you look at people of the same gender, it triggers a "certain feeling" in you. You're a child, so you don't even know what the feeling is yet. The way children usually realize that feeling is attraction is when they hear someone describe attraction, and then they are able to relate that description back to their experiences. But if that description is fundementally straight (i.e., "Attracttion is a feeling that girls have for boys, and boys have for girls"), then it may take a lot longer for you to connect the dots. You may conclude that this is something that everyone experiences
You might start realizing you feel things a little different, but if you were sheltered like I was and never even considered the possibility of same-sex attraction, you'll probably have a hard time figuring out exactly what it is. Maybe you are just able to appreciate the aesthetics of the human body more than those around you🤷♀️
Add onto this the possibility that you have been raised being told by your parents that being gay is bad or sinful. So even when you finally have to face the fact that you are different, you might subconsciously suppress it. Or even worse, you might still think that everyone feels the way you do, but being "gay" means acting on those feelings, and you've been taught to not be gay
So there are a lot of things that can lead to a person not figuring out their sexuality until much later in life. But you're right that there are still some gay or bi people who instantly know who they are attracted to. That just wasn't the case for me :P
Another thing you might be able to relate it to is how color blind people sometimes don't realize till much later in life. They think that everyone just sees colors the same way they do. Same thing with neurodivergent people, who grow up thinking everyone else's minds work the same way theirs do
Ah no problem at all! You weren't awkward or stupid in the least. Gay people have to ask he same exact questions too. Everyone on this earth is just doing their best to figure things out :)
Not OP, but I can try to answer from my experience. I grew up in the Midwest. I didn't even really know what being gay meant until I was well into adulthood. Growing up, I admired both the men and women in shows, but I always thought that I was just hero worshipping the strong and smart women. I shipped the male and female leads on the shows. It wasn't until I was in my early 30s and I was talking to a friend, and we were remembering all of the old shows we used to watch, and then it hit me all at once that I had crushes on all of them. The men and the women. I had never had the knowledge that it was possible to do that, so my self analysis never even considered it as a possibility. It also didn't help that I am apparently also someone that has to get to know someone fairly well before I even start to think about them as a potential partner. I notice if someone is attractive or seems cool of course, but that's as far as it goes in my brain until I get to know them. Zero thoughts of hooking up or anything casual like that. Sorry for the wall of text, but yeah, I didn't realize until my 30s.
Nice seeing this post, just after coming out to my close friends as bi today. They were all very accepting and I’ve never been happier in my life! 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
I used to have a really quite homophobic "friend" who, whenever we'd hug, would tap three times, saying "I'm not gay" on each tap.
Yeah, lol. Love the experience of looking back on how you acted pre-coming out.
"It's like if someone is like 'I don't like beans,' 'well have you tried them?' 'No,' 'Well how do you know you don't like beans?'"
-[Arin Hanson, 2016](https://youtu.be/4h6KnLGeP1Y?si=b60UZWekPv3V6nZy&t=294)
It would be a problem because there is more to your person I assume than just sexuality. Its no different than a guy who is a gamer who makes their entire personality about video games or a guy who likes sports who only talks about sports. Being gay is not an issue and there is nothing wrong with it, an issue would be making anything encompass your entire personality regardless of sexuality or hobby etc.
Most of the time, when queer people are told that they are making being queer their entire personality, it's for one of two reasons
The first one is that it's because they happen to match a queer stereotype, like a flamboyant gay man. In one way, you could say that they've made being queer their whole personality, at least on the surface level, but to then critisize them for that doesn't make any sense. There are a lot of people in the world who match stereotypes, including straight stereotypes. Stereotypes like fishing dad, gamer, football fan, Californian surfer, or rockstar could all be described as "straight" stereotypes, yet people who match those stereotypes aren't critisized in the same way. When people see a stereotypical fishing dad, even if he matches all of the associated stereotypes to a tee, people don't assume that he's doing it on purpose to get attention. But that's what a lot of people do when they see someone who matches a gay stereotype. When people see a fishing dad, they inherantly know that he must have more to his personality than just that stereotype, but that goes without saying. Basically, if you use that metric, then there are a *whole* lot more people in the world who make being straight their "whole personality," yet it's always queer people who get criticized for it
The second reason that queer people are told that they make being queer their whole personality is because they are someone who likes to associate themselves with lots of queer symbols or identifiers. An example would be someone who always wears a rainbow flag button, or who commonly uses unambiguously gay slang, or who identifies themselves as queer in their bios. I understand that to non-queer people, this might not make sense, but there is a reason why people do this. One reason is that being queer is still something that is oppressed. It is a truly liberating feeling to be able to express ourselves freely! Especially when a lot of us have lived lives in which we have felt we needed to hide those parts of ourselves. You don't have to understand that feeling because I don't know if it is something you can understand if you haven't experienced it, but it is definitely something that is powerful. The second reason why queer people like to identify ourselves like that is because it serves as a signal to other queer people around us that they are safe with us. It's something the importance of which is hard to get across. I've heard countless stories in which a single rainbow helped a queer person get out of a tricky situation. Also, it is very useful for finding other queer people like ourselves. Community is very important when you're an oppressed minority
I didn't mean to make this a large argument, I just have a lot to say about this issue, and it all kinda spilled out here
Ultimately, you are completely free to feel annoyed at whoever you want! There's nothing wrong with that. It's a natural human emotion that is perfectly normal to feel. I understand that annoyance is not the same thing as judgment.
The main point is that, when you feel annoyed at a queer person for that reason, and you make a comment that implies the blame for that is on them, that's just not the case. It reveals more about yourself than whoever you're talking to
edit: typos
Response to point 1. I would argue that a gamer, fishing or sports fan while are often associated as straight stereotypes, doesn't mean they are. I would argue one night stand culture of a man boasting how much women he had sex with or making often sexual advances at women is an example of straight stereotypes. Dad culture can be seen as straight stereotypes if the emphasis is on being a man with hunting and not talking about feelings. Someone being flamboyant doesn't mean to me of making gay their entire personality, to me what makes someone their entire personality revolving around it is always talking about being gay or being apart of the LGBT as a whole most of the time pride flags everywhere from their bio, profile as well as wearing it all the time, or talking about being a homosexual most of the time.
Again the dilemma of not using one character trait to reflect an entire personality reflects to everyone not just homosexuals. There are men who only play world of warcraft, have an entire wall of posters from the series and only talk about or do anything to do with the series and only have friends who like it. Thats fine for people to have their own preferences or interests but the point relies on the dilemma of those who are a one trick pony in terms of what they talk about. I like video games but you don't see me only talk about it same with history, but yet there are plenty of people in all communities who have people who only talk about one thing as if its their entire life. A sister in law I have, most of the time she only ever talks about a video game character from a video game that came out 20 years ago. I don't recall having a conversation with her in years that didn't have that character or game brought up.
Response to point 2. I get that and I am not telling homosexuals to go back into the closet, I am just telling people whether it be homosexuals, or heterosexuals or even some random show like Star Trek to not make one thing their entire personality because it makes it look like outside of that one trait, they have no character beyond that. No human is an npc that is programmed to only talk about one thing, we are people with our own thoughts, feelings and ideas along with experiences. I get that there is no way ill ever be able to understand truly the experiences of those who been oppressed or continue to be oppressed because I am not them and never will be.
But I also understand there are people who give the rest of others a bad name. Like anime fans are often seen as fat overweight losers whom are infatuated with anime women/girls and who are typically neckbeards, but these people are of course small minority in the group of the whole. Same with people instance like JoJo Siwa whom recently has made news with trying to be as overweary gay as possible or how Miley Cyrus use to be in terms of how much of a rebel she was with her lifestyle and I understand that these people do not represent the whole of whatever group they are apart of; but they do give a bad impression when they associate one thing as their personality. In a way, the typical stereotype for any group comes from those who make it their entire personality and bring it to extremes.
I understand my words may be misinterpreted which is why I deleted the original comment as I understand to out of context, it may be cauterized as homophobic that was not my intent as I have no ill will to homosexuals but rather only ill will to any person who makes themselves a walking stereotype regardless of any character trait about them. Although I can see that the approach may be considered brash not necessary on my part. Although I do appreciate the discussion and ill likely think on what we spoke about. But congratulations on your journey with self discovery on discovering a true part of yourself.
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Lol loved these books as a kid, you should frame this
So are you now gay because you now like boys, or because you still like girls (the more traditional route for celeste)? Edit: I'm dumb and skimmed the title, it's a person called Celeste not the game Celeste, lol
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Technically it'd all be straight
This meme aged like milk. But given that you understand yourself better now, you aged like wine.
Aw shucks, thank you😊
God what a mood. I once read and analyzed a whole person essay on being genderqueer and was like “I respect it, but I don’t really get it.” Three years later realized I was nonbinary and just had my head in hands in disappointment at myself lmao
I'm genderqueer too and had the exact same experience! At the same time that I was educating myself about lgbtq+ people and experiences, I was also going on this personal journey trying to grapple with my feelings about my gender. But at *no* point did I connect the two topics in my head until much much later I just always remind myself that everything is clearer in retrospect, and you can't blame your past self for what you didn't know🤷♀️
So in a way, you turned yourself gay. That's pretty wild
Oh, by realizing I was trans? Lol, yeah, that is always a wild part of the trans experience I feel like a lot of people don't talk about as often. But even before, the attraction I thought was straught always *felt* like it was gay. It's hard to explain how. I've heard similar experiences from other gay trans people too But tbh, the above post was moreso about me realizing I was bi, haha. Now I'm gay both ways 👈🏳️🌈👉 😎
You don't have a friend named Celeste?
Nah, haha. Celeste is a great friend, I played into the joke as well. Celeste was just the first one of us who knew that it may not be entirely a joke
That was my assumption.
Sorry if this question is out of line but did you not realize who you were attracted to? I always thought everyone just knew what they liked.
No, it's not out of line at all :) So, imagine growing up attracted to the same sex. The first indication is that when you look at people of the same gender, it triggers a "certain feeling" in you. You're a child, so you don't even know what the feeling is yet. The way children usually realize that feeling is attraction is when they hear someone describe attraction, and then they are able to relate that description back to their experiences. But if that description is fundementally straight (i.e., "Attracttion is a feeling that girls have for boys, and boys have for girls"), then it may take a lot longer for you to connect the dots. You may conclude that this is something that everyone experiences You might start realizing you feel things a little different, but if you were sheltered like I was and never even considered the possibility of same-sex attraction, you'll probably have a hard time figuring out exactly what it is. Maybe you are just able to appreciate the aesthetics of the human body more than those around you🤷♀️ Add onto this the possibility that you have been raised being told by your parents that being gay is bad or sinful. So even when you finally have to face the fact that you are different, you might subconsciously suppress it. Or even worse, you might still think that everyone feels the way you do, but being "gay" means acting on those feelings, and you've been taught to not be gay So there are a lot of things that can lead to a person not figuring out their sexuality until much later in life. But you're right that there are still some gay or bi people who instantly know who they are attracted to. That just wasn't the case for me :P Another thing you might be able to relate it to is how color blind people sometimes don't realize till much later in life. They think that everyone just sees colors the same way they do. Same thing with neurodivergent people, who grow up thinking everyone else's minds work the same way theirs do
Shit I'd never considered it in those terms before. Thanks for educating me and again I apologize for being awkward and stupid.
Ah no problem at all! You weren't awkward or stupid in the least. Gay people have to ask he same exact questions too. Everyone on this earth is just doing their best to figure things out :)
That was a very patient, eloquent description. Well written, OP
yeah dude i hate orange and yellow, and green and red, and grey and pink(jk i like pink but i still can mix them up) also hell yeah🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
Not OP, but I can try to answer from my experience. I grew up in the Midwest. I didn't even really know what being gay meant until I was well into adulthood. Growing up, I admired both the men and women in shows, but I always thought that I was just hero worshipping the strong and smart women. I shipped the male and female leads on the shows. It wasn't until I was in my early 30s and I was talking to a friend, and we were remembering all of the old shows we used to watch, and then it hit me all at once that I had crushes on all of them. The men and the women. I had never had the knowledge that it was possible to do that, so my self analysis never even considered it as a possibility. It also didn't help that I am apparently also someone that has to get to know someone fairly well before I even start to think about them as a potential partner. I notice if someone is attractive or seems cool of course, but that's as far as it goes in my brain until I get to know them. Zero thoughts of hooking up or anything casual like that. Sorry for the wall of text, but yeah, I didn't realize until my 30s.
"I'm gay, just not in the way you think I am"
Nice seeing this post, just after coming out to my close friends as bi today. They were all very accepting and I’ve never been happier in my life! 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
I used to have a really quite homophobic "friend" who, whenever we'd hug, would tap three times, saying "I'm not gay" on each tap. Yeah, lol. Love the experience of looking back on how you acted pre-coming out.
He probably say “no homo” a lot too… 🙄
At least now you must dress quite well! ...couse of all the time in the closet
How can you know if you're not gay if you never tried it? Maybe it's an acquired taste.
"It's like if someone is like 'I don't like beans,' 'well have you tried them?' 'No,' 'Well how do you know you don't like beans?'" -[Arin Hanson, 2016](https://youtu.be/4h6KnLGeP1Y?si=b60UZWekPv3V6nZy&t=294)
that you are double straigth
Straight = 180° Double Straight = 180° + 180° = 360° You are correct😎🏳️🌈
Celeste? Transfem reference?
At least style it out and equivocate as bi! Then your meme is still milky fresh! 💡
Celeste was projecting her gayness?
Wouldn't exactly age like milk in that case, lol
Your friend’s name isn’t really Celeste?
That would be a plot twist!
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All I did was write a joke I thought was funny in my bio. I don't know what about that makes me insufferable
Also, even if I do actually make being queer "my whole personality," it wouldn't be a problem. I just didn't want to get into that whole topic
It would be a problem because there is more to your person I assume than just sexuality. Its no different than a guy who is a gamer who makes their entire personality about video games or a guy who likes sports who only talks about sports. Being gay is not an issue and there is nothing wrong with it, an issue would be making anything encompass your entire personality regardless of sexuality or hobby etc.
Most of the time, when queer people are told that they are making being queer their entire personality, it's for one of two reasons The first one is that it's because they happen to match a queer stereotype, like a flamboyant gay man. In one way, you could say that they've made being queer their whole personality, at least on the surface level, but to then critisize them for that doesn't make any sense. There are a lot of people in the world who match stereotypes, including straight stereotypes. Stereotypes like fishing dad, gamer, football fan, Californian surfer, or rockstar could all be described as "straight" stereotypes, yet people who match those stereotypes aren't critisized in the same way. When people see a stereotypical fishing dad, even if he matches all of the associated stereotypes to a tee, people don't assume that he's doing it on purpose to get attention. But that's what a lot of people do when they see someone who matches a gay stereotype. When people see a fishing dad, they inherantly know that he must have more to his personality than just that stereotype, but that goes without saying. Basically, if you use that metric, then there are a *whole* lot more people in the world who make being straight their "whole personality," yet it's always queer people who get criticized for it The second reason that queer people are told that they make being queer their whole personality is because they are someone who likes to associate themselves with lots of queer symbols or identifiers. An example would be someone who always wears a rainbow flag button, or who commonly uses unambiguously gay slang, or who identifies themselves as queer in their bios. I understand that to non-queer people, this might not make sense, but there is a reason why people do this. One reason is that being queer is still something that is oppressed. It is a truly liberating feeling to be able to express ourselves freely! Especially when a lot of us have lived lives in which we have felt we needed to hide those parts of ourselves. You don't have to understand that feeling because I don't know if it is something you can understand if you haven't experienced it, but it is definitely something that is powerful. The second reason why queer people like to identify ourselves like that is because it serves as a signal to other queer people around us that they are safe with us. It's something the importance of which is hard to get across. I've heard countless stories in which a single rainbow helped a queer person get out of a tricky situation. Also, it is very useful for finding other queer people like ourselves. Community is very important when you're an oppressed minority I didn't mean to make this a large argument, I just have a lot to say about this issue, and it all kinda spilled out here Ultimately, you are completely free to feel annoyed at whoever you want! There's nothing wrong with that. It's a natural human emotion that is perfectly normal to feel. I understand that annoyance is not the same thing as judgment. The main point is that, when you feel annoyed at a queer person for that reason, and you make a comment that implies the blame for that is on them, that's just not the case. It reveals more about yourself than whoever you're talking to edit: typos
Response to point 1. I would argue that a gamer, fishing or sports fan while are often associated as straight stereotypes, doesn't mean they are. I would argue one night stand culture of a man boasting how much women he had sex with or making often sexual advances at women is an example of straight stereotypes. Dad culture can be seen as straight stereotypes if the emphasis is on being a man with hunting and not talking about feelings. Someone being flamboyant doesn't mean to me of making gay their entire personality, to me what makes someone their entire personality revolving around it is always talking about being gay or being apart of the LGBT as a whole most of the time pride flags everywhere from their bio, profile as well as wearing it all the time, or talking about being a homosexual most of the time. Again the dilemma of not using one character trait to reflect an entire personality reflects to everyone not just homosexuals. There are men who only play world of warcraft, have an entire wall of posters from the series and only talk about or do anything to do with the series and only have friends who like it. Thats fine for people to have their own preferences or interests but the point relies on the dilemma of those who are a one trick pony in terms of what they talk about. I like video games but you don't see me only talk about it same with history, but yet there are plenty of people in all communities who have people who only talk about one thing as if its their entire life. A sister in law I have, most of the time she only ever talks about a video game character from a video game that came out 20 years ago. I don't recall having a conversation with her in years that didn't have that character or game brought up. Response to point 2. I get that and I am not telling homosexuals to go back into the closet, I am just telling people whether it be homosexuals, or heterosexuals or even some random show like Star Trek to not make one thing their entire personality because it makes it look like outside of that one trait, they have no character beyond that. No human is an npc that is programmed to only talk about one thing, we are people with our own thoughts, feelings and ideas along with experiences. I get that there is no way ill ever be able to understand truly the experiences of those who been oppressed or continue to be oppressed because I am not them and never will be. But I also understand there are people who give the rest of others a bad name. Like anime fans are often seen as fat overweight losers whom are infatuated with anime women/girls and who are typically neckbeards, but these people are of course small minority in the group of the whole. Same with people instance like JoJo Siwa whom recently has made news with trying to be as overweary gay as possible or how Miley Cyrus use to be in terms of how much of a rebel she was with her lifestyle and I understand that these people do not represent the whole of whatever group they are apart of; but they do give a bad impression when they associate one thing as their personality. In a way, the typical stereotype for any group comes from those who make it their entire personality and bring it to extremes. I understand my words may be misinterpreted which is why I deleted the original comment as I understand to out of context, it may be cauterized as homophobic that was not my intent as I have no ill will to homosexuals but rather only ill will to any person who makes themselves a walking stereotype regardless of any character trait about them. Although I can see that the approach may be considered brash not necessary on my part. Although I do appreciate the discussion and ill likely think on what we spoke about. But congratulations on your journey with self discovery on discovering a true part of yourself.
She’s gay? You’re gay? You’re both gay?
Yep!🏳️🌈
That you didn't need to post this and you're an attention whore?
Take a second to look at your own username and have a good guess at who the attention whore is.
was that really necessary though?
Hey buddy, how's life treating you
i can already see who's the *actual* attention whore
Bet you expected a ton of upvotes and *attention* from this, didn't you? :)
Gaslit into it.
Lol, more like I was gaslit into thinking I was straight for most of my life
That happens too.